Gospel Topics Chapter 13 Toscano

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So glad you could join us for this additional viewpoint on Mormonism on your host, Bill McKeever, founder director Mormonism research ministry with me today is Eric Johnson.

My colleague at MRM will today we finish our series on the book the LDS gospel topics series a scholarly engagement. We are looking at chapter 13. A chapter written by Margaret M. Toth Scotto. It's titled Joseph Smith's teaching on priesthood Temple and women a critique and of course that title Joseph Smith teaching on priesthood Temple and women was the title of the gospel topics essay that covered this issue before we go on we should mention that Margaret Toth Scotto according to the buyer with the back of the book is an associate professor of classics and comparative studies and department chair of world languages and cultures at the University of Utah. She received her PhD from the University of Utah in comparative literature. She co-authored with her husband, Paul, the book strangers and paradox explorations in Mormon theology, which was published by signature books in 1990. Eric, I would say that of all the gospel topics essays being critiqued in this book Margaret Toth Scotto seems to be probably the most upset with the essay that she was given the job of covering. She doesn't have a lot of good things to say about this essay.

In fact, she's pretty harsh in some areas when she's discussing it. Well, let's just let her speak for herself.

Live who you look at page 326. What is she say the church essay admits that many members will be surprised by the priesthood language Smith used to describe women's place in the church which indicates most members are still unaware of the existence of historical evidence for women's ordination in the Mormon tradition. The thesis of the church essay is that Smith's statements about women in priesthood do not mean what they seem to mean to make the central point. The essay employs the technique of gas lighting that is the rhetorical or psychological technique of making someone believe that what they have observed or read, or understood was an illusion of flickering of light that clouds one's vision and judgment now course that frees gas lighting comes from. As it says in the footnote from Patrick Hamilton's 1938 stage play that was titled gaslight. Later it was a film in 1944 that had Charles boy J and Ingrid Bergman in it.

That phrase gas lighting has been used a lot when it comes to trying to make people feel uncomfortable for things they think are happening or that are basically given the impression that it's not happening like that at all. This use of the phrase gas lighting here is not meant to be flattery, that's for sure, but she's going to use it again at the end of the article, she goes on to say the church essay seeks to convince readers that one. Smith never ordained women to priesthood and never intended to do so to the temple priesthood does not confer authoritative keys or have any efficacy in the church organization. Three.

The relief Society which is a women's auxiliary that Joseph Smith put in place and had his wife Emma became the first president was never intended to be a priesthood organization and for anyone who thinks otherwise is under a misperception and miss guided the purpose of the church essay is to show that Smith's words views and actions with respect to women and priesthood exactly correspond with those of LDS church leaders today. Eric no, this essay and the one that we were covering earlier in this week dealing with mother in heaven were written towards the end of 2015. These were the last two essays that were included in the 13 total original essays put out by the church and posted on their official website. You don't think it was kind of an afterthought. Do you the two you could say are kind of related because the questions that were raised by the two authors in the chapter dealing with mother in heaven raise some very good questions about whether or not mother in heaven should be considered as a part of the Godhead.

Now you would think if priesthood is necessary for Mormon males today to become a God wouldn't priesthood also be necessary. If a female was to become a god. In this case, of course, heavenly mother so I can see a correlation.

I guess you could say between the two chapters in the points that they're trying to make because Margaret Toth Scotto is just as much a feminist as the two authors of the chapter that we covered earlier this week, so I'm sure they all share a lot of the same ideas and naturally they all would want to have this priesthood that the church only gives to males, but what does she go on to say on page 327 regarding these four points that are made in the essay and taking the stance the essay ignore significant scriptural and historical evidence that indicates the opposite, namely that one Smith intended the relief Society be a women's priesthood organization to he viewed the temple priesthood as the fullness of the Melchizedek priesthood restored by Elijah, a priesthood that encompasses all the church orders a priesthood together with their keys, powers and rights, and three he intended a group or quorum of anointed men and women holding temple priesthood fullness to govern the church.

The evidence for this alternate view, though not abundant is significant because the church essay presents only documents and arguments supporting the view that only men have the right to priesthood offices and to govern the church.

The essay misrepresents information anachronistic leak to compel the conclusion that the view of current LDS church leaders on the question of women in priesthood is identical dismissed would stop there because if she's correct.

What does this say about the leadership of the church. If Margaret Toth Scotto is correct in her assumptions. Why are these men not listening to what she feels Joseph Smith was trying to portray. I get the impression that Margaret to Scotto because the church is not listening to what she thinks. Joseph Smith was really saying is what trying to protect their power. And if they are in fact trying to protect their power.

What is that say about them as men in charge of the church. Wouldn't that be a huge flaw in their character that not only needs to be confessed, but repented of and how do you do that when as she sees it bear involved in something that's inaccurate or brought it out yesterday and today. I think we have the same question, what does she want to have happened that she really want the church to go ahead and say that women have the priesthood, what's that going to say to the average Latter Day Saints who is faithful in their beliefs why this now. Why haven't we had it for the past two centuries say that I think is going to raise more questions by making a change than just leaving it alone. It would also raise the question way we been told that the church leadership can't lead us astray. Obviously, by not allowing women to hold the priesthood for any number of reasons. If if she's writing her assumptions. It seems like they have been leaving the church astray, just as we would argue that the church has certainly been leading the church astray when it came to those of African heritage from holding the priesthood themselves. Priesthood is a very important aspect in Mormon theology for us as Christians. It's not that big of a deal because we find in the New Testament that there is a priesthood of believers. So I guess what I would say to Margaret to Scotto is a hey if you want the priesthood, Margaret, come on over to our side and you can have it. She had some statements in her conclusion that I wanted to cover one positive effect of the church essay she says is that its writers take seriously the statements and actions of Joseph Smith which is not always the case in a church that privileges the words of living leaders over dead ones and she's right about that, because in the 14 fundamentals and following the prophet Ezra Taft Benson the 13th prison, the church made it very clear you don't take the words of the dead prophets as superseding the words of the living prophets. She goes on to say since the past is always a helpful lens through which to view and analyze the present the gospel topics essays can serve as a beginning point for fruitful discussions, but then she has a however however the essay on just dismiss teachings on priesthood Temple and women uses the gas lighting technique to obscure the historical information from Smith's life and work that justifies the priesthood ordination of women in the LDS church will in looking at these essays looks. Let's wrap it up this way, the LDS church. We know did not put any names on any of these essays.

They were all anonymous, which caused a lot of confusion when they were first released in 2013. The church finally had to come out and say hey look, were behind these, you should not only read them you should know them like you know the back of your hand.

So that tells us as Christians that we have a valuable source of material here that we can use when challenging our LDS counterparts. But what did the church say about these gospel topics, essays, and the importance that the leadership felt regarding them.

This is an article that was titled new essays address the topics on women, priesthood mother in heaven, and the article in the second paragraph says, these essays complete a series of 13 that the church began publishing in 2013 to provide an accurate resource for its members to gain insight and understanding into some of its teachings practices in history.

The 13 essays and this is being written in 2015 published today were prepared through extensive research by men and women, church scholars and carefully reviewed by members of the first presidency that quorum of the 12 apostles and other general authorities and women leaders to provide an official authoritative and transparent source of information. That statement alone tells us that we can in good conscience, use the gospel topics essays in a witnessing scenario. That being the case, and because these essays are as you say it's supposed to be more transparent. They're probably going to contain some information that might surprise some of the Mormons we may be talking to. If so, let's use them folks. Let's use them to our advantage. Let's challenge our Latter Day Saints friends and loved ones to explain some of the things that we have read in these essays and ask our Mormon friends what they think about these things.

Many times I have found that Mormons when you bring up a certain portion of their theology if they did not know about that portion of theology they can sometimes be offended by what you just said, have them go and check it out and you'll find that later on they may come back and say oh well I guess we do believe that's no big deal, and then use that inconsistency in how they view that teaching and showing them either something wrong here.

Otherwise you wouldn't have acted the way you did.

Why all of a sudden is it okay with you now. We've covered all 13 of these gospel topics essays. We also have included all of the episodes from the series that we've done on this book called the LDS gospel topics series. You can see all of that by going to our website MRM.org/gospel topics essays with hyphens between gospel topics and essays. We encourage you to go there. I think it will be very informational for you.

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