Matt Slick Live (Interview with Eric Johnson)

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Why is the founder and president of the listed apologetics and research what is found online for you have questions of our Bible doctrine commitments attributes at TV and I was doing hosting with them discussing the issue of Islam 9/11 don't do that for for a while as I was doing now back on the air right now and guess what, no. I mention this, I mentioned this before, and odds will let you know that I got a good friend here. Eric Johnson and Eric is a great guy. He knows a lot about Mormonism's new book out on he is on right now working to be discussing his new book, Eric, are you there I'm there. And thanks so much for having me on a no problem Eric, okay, you suggested that your book in my hand introducing Christianity. The Mormons and is it today that it is coming out right today about why I'm on yourself because I Savior so I've done over two dozen podcast, but I had to come on your show on the birthday. This book is available. All good RADIO show. I've done enough of those. And so yeah I'm excited to be on your show in and talk a little bit about a book that died two years in the making. I am really excited about. You do a lot of good work that you and Bill both reduce her soft body you are yellow book just go ahead just before learn and introduce yourself and I'm hoping you didn't buy too much. The book, but you know have a positive. They read it pretty closely. So I had to be really careful, but so I work with Bill McKeever of Mormonism research methods were based in Salt Lake City were about 8:20 AM that you're on right now and I've been with this ministry.

1989 I copper a couple decades to come to California because before I moved over to Utah where Bill had moved 2004 we were from Southern California and we decided to be in the center of where Mormons is right now so MRM.org is our website. We have a podcast that we do with the radio show as well. On 8:20 AM as well as on five other stations. In fact, last week we we went right into Honolulu Hawaii which has a very large population 16 radio station and that podcast we have over 3000 in our index. Yet we we like to reach out to Latter Day Saints on the street. We do a lot of evangelism but we also have our website which is a major part of what we do in writing book, though this is my sixth book that I have written on the topic of Mormons works and I know that what you're eliciting really no really I miss you guys on here for you guys. After after MRM.org's Iraqi ministry, MRM.org, that reminds me, I know Bill. I was checking domains Mormonism research ministry. The full three words open Nelson taken so I took it. Yes, I took it and so I told him probably redirected for tomorrow.org. I took it so that no one else would you want to go to doodle whatever and for small fee, always teasing him well.

We let me tell you that we used to own Mormonism.org and the dirt had Mormon.org back in the 90 and it was very expensive to have domain. I forget. It was like a couple hundred dollars a year. Whatever they didn't have Go Daddy and so we let it go over very sad that we did that, but the you know the website domain is so important fact we just purchased Utah churches.com we had Utah churches.org but we purchased the.com because we use that for when somebody began to get out of Mormonism and then becomes a Christian we think they ought to go to church so if you go to buy. I don't know if we boarded it yet but it Utah churches.org and people can find a church in their area. It will look where you're at and it will tell you all the good churches around we think every Christians ought to be going to church mission church Ridgeline church Crossroads Church Korean Bible rising rock is good stuff that was there.

Yeah that's really helpful because I will point people to to conveniently sold.

Okay I got a question for you book in my hand here introducing Christianity.

The Mormons okay why would you want to write something like this. What's the reason for writing introducing Christianity.

Mormons all that the great question and the purpose of this book is different from the other book that we have written in that many people are leaving the LDS church and wrote in the churches name officially is the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints but were going to use LDS or Mormon not be offensive, but shorten it up and the problem is when people leave Mormonism they don't come rushing over to the Christian church back 45%. According to January Mormon blogger wrote a book called the next Mormon with Oxford press Sheila she very popular person and she did surveys back in 2019 and found that 45% go to atheism and agnosticism are nothing at all. After they leave Mormonism another 21% claim to be quote unquote just Christian haven't got any church they just left Mormonism and because are good people. They think that therefore there just Christian. As many Americans probably think so. That means two out of three people who leave leave for nothing. One third go to other religions, but out of that one third little hands percent becomes evangelical, which is actually higher than Catholics or the liberal Protestant in her survey, 10%. I still think 1/10 who are basically abandoning their faith in God and Jesus and that in leaving that behind when they want to believe in nothing, think that the tragedy I want Christians to be able to be informed about what it is that Christians believe to be able to help Latter Day Saints using their vocabulary.

Their language what this means and how we are different because we really are different. As you all the time on your show and I don't want anyone to be confused went to Latter Day Saints as well. I'm a Christian who let's take a closer look at that list look at some of the doctors that are so important. I think a person who is willing to look at those differences will see very easily that Christianity and Mormonism are two different religious right. But as I mentioned is just as you said, a lot, a lot comes so losing someone to listen to you on the 20 human villains, and for review and stuff. So okay for Christians, wondering well the problem is Mormonism denies or distorts every fundamental peak door Christian church met what I did in this book, introducing Christianity Mormon and by the way, that title could be very offensive for many Latter Day Saints and I'll tell you why in a second. But what I have done in here is I have explained in the glossary. The difference in meaning between the words that we use when we use the same terms. This is God Jesus the Scripture. Salvation well that's a problem when we don't understand what the other person is thinking when we think that in the Mormon is the family we are believing certain things so it's important to be able to distinguish what that language, but coming back to the title of my book by introducing Christianity. That's got to be controversy over right there because Mormons do consider themselves Christians. The last 30 years of the 30 years ago. They didn't really say that they really want to be known as Mormon, but today they want to be known as being the think they're not just another denomination so I I put in Christianity because it has a historic meaning through it and then I put into Mormons and that is controversial because Russell M Nelson back in 2018 declared that using the word Mormon are LDS, or Mormonism is offensive to Jesus.

And they're not supposed to use that term anymore. But here's the problem. If I'm supposed to call the church.

The church of Jesus Christ, which is what they like it you for the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints is just too difficult to say that I may Mormons is understood. How would the Latter Day Saints whom I complain about my title want me to title this book introducing evangelical Christianity to members of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints is way too complicated and it doesn't make it understandable. The main audience. I'm writing to two evangelical Christians who want to share their faith in a in a positive way. We do this in love as you do every day on your radio show we speak the truth in love, we want to have an answer for everyone who asked us to give the reason for the hope happily with gentleness and respect. Not trying to be offensive.

I'm just trying to communicate what is this book about and hopefully Latter Day Saints as this will understand.

I love them very much. I want to move the youth off. I hated Latter Day Saints. You and Bill down there in San Diego you want to be right in the heart of it, because you really do have a heart for Mormons you would build to both of you know, we witness a lot together and done man tied together on a flaw over the years, many times a city or house many times and build and were going to Israel talk with them later.

By the way folks if if any of you other listing or talk to watch Eric here.

Good news is called a number 877-207-2276. He is extremely knowledgeable about Mormonism when I have questions about things that I'm not sure about Mormonism. I'll call it Bill Rarick and will talk. We've had a lot of conversations great deal from these guys. They really good Eric here is a good godly man who leads who leads missions for short trips to Europe and things like that Israel's so why not look at your book and letting it mention require it online. I met Bill without Bill, I would not have been able to write that book Bill McKeever has been my mentor for many many years. A lot of what you're gonna read in this book are my words, that the way that I would say them but he and I together. I mean doing pot working together so closely. 30+ years so I want to give credit the bill for even though he's not a co-author are other books that we have written like Mormonism want to wander answer Mormon questions. You and I have co-opted my name on it. I owe it that you build the work that he is done since 1979, over 40 years that Bill has been doing this work element.

Next, I would talk to well go down there the first week of October but hey, you look at me looks like he's been doing for a long time so now I didn't say that mass sure thing that I he owes me a lunch to so you don't have to. Call it that Bill will be solicited. So it's a long story foes read the joke is that women were down in San Diego. I called up building waybill by lunch, about 40 miles away in Sikkim donor and that's it was a lunch. I forgot my wallet right well you know what happens. We laughed about it and two months later I will you lunch so I go down there for the second forgot my wallet so I River River.

Most good looking. I realized my wallet was that I didn't have it the second time she looked at me.

I can see the whole future of just a few years. And sure enough, so it's a camera and get alright so okay will okay what are some of the resolve is what are some of the major differences between more Christianity, would you think of the major, it really stands out is different.

While I mean let's start with God.

According to Mormonism, God was once a human being on another world. I hear the body of flesh and bone doctrine and covenants section 130 verse 22 things that that he may have been a center many Latter Day Saints don't have a problem to say that God may have been in this previous role because he was just like we are, and that God worshiped his father and that father at one time had worshiped his father and his father had worshiped his father, ad infinitum. I'm talking infinite regression of the God, which, when you come down to brass tacks.

The beginning was there was no beginning and I mean they don't know when the beginning took place because there always has been material, that's how God created ex materia. He didn't create asked Nilo Latin for meaning out of nothing. He actually had to create from what the previous God left behind so the idea that Mormonism teaches that as man is God once was. So as we are today, God once was in the previous round and today he still has a body of flesh and bone and then as God is man may be that's known officially as the Lorenzo Snow couplet the idea that you can become as God that someday you will be with your family forever.

You will create new spirit to be able to populate your own world and you'll continue doing what heavenly father was doing that is much different than what the Bible talks about God from everlasting to everlasting zeros as is back to the show we have ever pick up there. We have new guy doing the producing and he said in the text. I was listening you guys talk. She forgot to put the sound out the control and trust of so no big deal. It does happen on the oldest tease him about something so Erika's daughter I'm still here.

Alright, so I don't know where we were. Not that Blaine is that bad of a guy. He's a pretty nice guy tease him already so low.

We were taught talk about God. We were talking about and didn't pay it. If Scriptures in Mormonism disagree with each other and they do. I mean, here you have her own 818 says that God is from everlasting to everlasting diet 35 agreed on doctrine and covenants section 20 verse 17 very clearly. Talk about a God that was before the later Joseph Smith. The early Joseph Smith in the 1820s and 30s kind of a confused Protestant you will EP with teaching. According to the Scriptures, that he put together that God has always been God, and there was only one God and then in the 1840s, he changes his mind and he said that God is a man like we are that we have the potential become God rejecting major keeping the Trinity. I mean if you have a different God then you're going to have a different gospel. Galatians 189 very clearly that and if you have a different God, you're going to have a different Jesus grid is 11 forces that both Jesus do exist just because a religion has the name of Jesus in its name does not make it a Christian religion and and and I think that's something that a lot of people don't understand because I thought to their Latter Day Saints friend there and tell them all yet we believe in God we believe in the father son and Holy Ghost. We believe in Scripture and all of these other things but if you don't understand what they're saying it's a different language and you have to ask them what you mean when you say you're saved by grace through faith what you mean when you say blank. Whatever the term from help in this book introducing Christianity. Mormons comes in and be a help for Christians, the glossary in the back and every chapter and chapters and everything. The one I am giving evangelism stories that I have personally been involved with changing the name but trying to give Christians a better idea of how can they share Christianity and not so focused on teaching Mormonism. Here you can go to Mormonism 101 printed in 2015 by Baker books, you can get a full rundown on the different but what is it that we have that unique that different from Christianity because I want Latter Day Saints to not have those stereotypes would call them Matt in our profession. We call them strawman argument. When you ask a Latter Day Saints Trinity comes up and you asked them what you think. We believe about the Trinity. You've heard this before they say well the father is the son of the Holy Spirit.

They have moralism, perhaps, is the right and I like to ask Bo who was Jesus praying for with regard to get somebody that's an easy answer he was praying to the father but the father is not the son of the son is not the holy. So I have a whole chapter on the Trinity because I want to correct the stereotype that Latter Day Saints have on that on the idea of grace they a lot of Latter Day Saints assume that we don't believe in good works because were justified by by grace through faith and not by works. They say well then you must not believe in James 220 have to get them loading from defeated. That is a misnomer. Christians only believe in good works. We call it sanctification. But the Bible is very clear in Romans 328 that were saved by grace part. We were saved by faith apart from works of the law, and few people Roman reinstallation very clearly how this justification isn't done based on our work is based on what Jesus did on the cross. He said it. He's the one who imputes his right to work out based on what we did or what were doing or what we will do based on what Jesus did and so those are the kinds of things when you asked what are some of the differences I named a few that I want to make sure we're communicating correctly so that we can allow Latter Day Saints to get a clear presentation of what Christianity is all about what we have the just online to ask the questions listed to Rudolph Emily North Carolina Rudolph welcome everybody yester requesting that I may well be. How do lateral thinking. Believe in the printed if they don't think candidate in no way yeah and what you're referring to.

Rudolph is the idea in the preexistence which was the previous day before this world. This is called the second estate or mortality. But be or we lived here and we don't remember it. We lived in a corner.

Mormonism, not me.

We lived in was called for mortality or preexistence, where heavenly father created all spirit through relations with his wife because heavenly father, God the father is married to multiple women and so these wives created all the spirit we were up there along with billions of spirit there was a counsel in heaven and at the Council of heaven, we had to make a decision as to who would be the Savior of the world either Jesus or Lucifer who are brothers and by definition, how are we there brothers there just the older brothers and info.

Jesus's plan of being able to give agency to everyone who would come to the earth to the gospel are not. Lucifer said no were going to force that Lucifer had the wrong plan. He was cast out of heaven with one third of our brothers and sisters, spirit, and they became a demon and the bird became Satan leaving the other two thirds to be born on this world based on our merit were born on the into a family based on how we did in the preexistence. So the idea of the Trinity. Now, Mormons might say they believe in the Trinity, you have to ask them what you mean by that you believe three persons one God. The essence of God. There's one God as revealed in three persons, and know they won't. We believe in the father as a God or as the God we worship. But Jesus is just a God. He was created to be God and then the Holy Ghost is a God. That's not monotheism as Christianity teaches the idea and the belief of one God. Deuteronomy 6 war hero, Israel, the Lord thy God, the Lord is hot is one in essence that is denied in Mormonism they believe in three separate God. The idea that three separate God and are separate in each. God in his own right is not the Trinity. That's tritheism and enable even the existence of millions of gods met they only worship one so I would hesitate to call them polytheistic to the Hindu polytheistic frame the different God. That's not what they do, they only pray to heavenly father. They're not allowed to pray to Jesus, they can pray in his name, but not pray directly to him and and yet the idea that God the father had a God that acknowledged it as the unspoken truth that heavenly mother is a God and all of his wife. We have we have that issue of of a big difference. Mormonism does not. Okay, so anything anything we think we know is right back after these messages, please book is Mormons. Please why call 7707 I am there right around the back of the call to call Rudolph again, but I wanted you to tell us how to get your book well you can do several things you can go to an online site. Amazon.com Christian book.com barnesandnoble.com any of those site again if he would write a review.

If you do get the book. I would love to have you write a review about the book specially while I want you to read it.

I don't want just to give me a positive review but one other place for those folks who were living in the Utah area.

I will be at Sandra Tanner's Utah lighthouse were right across the three from the fees for all ballfield. This is often helpful in 1300. You if you just look up youth ELM or Utah lighthouse ministry to be there on Saturday 12 the 590 books for anybody who would come in one purchase the book from Sandra at the great bookstore and so would love to meet you and if you like me to find the book I can do that so that's this Saturday 12 o'clock noon to 5 o'clock I will be there at the Georgia guys are soon to good effort to get some conversations have back on their we have little still waiting and everything else will got listening to it yet.

They believe they are the under that question Rudolph would not know they're not were not Angel but we were formerly written the previous world called preexistence. We became/we received bodies of flesh and bone which were necessary for us to be able to progress to godhood exultation or eternal life or synonymous term and so we want for spirit, but because of our obedience by following Jesus all humans that that therefore we were allowed to be born on the third is a slow route all right will thank you. If there are things you got this, all right. Also that you want to call the lines 877-207-2276 talking with her Johnson from woman's research ministry, but his new book, inducing Christianity to Mormons. He's an expert truly is an expert on Mormonism and if you want to talk to him will use chemical or give us a call. Let's get to join your letter will be lost.

So can you open line so give me a call.

Folks 877-207-2276 okay.you said something earlier recording the book of Mormon which I was interesting point wise book of Mormon teaching stuff that general Mormonism doesn't teach… Why is that, well, my interpretation is that does was he had been around the Christian churches upstate New York for his early years need to gather that in 1830 when 24.24 but he understood enough of of Christianity.

The, the rigid religious revivals. The great awakening great awakening was taking place in his area back in the 1820s, so he knows a lot about about Christianity, and in fact if you go through his book. He uses the Bible throughout the book of Mormon L even you done dozens of times. New Testament phrases in a time that was Old Testament mind.

I mean there's I mean if you look at it you just go where did you get that from a list from the Bible. I mean, there's a little booklet I'm looking at right now that is sold by youth ELM bookstore Utah lighthouse bookstore called the youth of the Bible and the book of Mormon and early 19th century events reflected in the book of Mormon while you go through this and you and this is actually by Michael Marquart who lives here you thought he has taken dozens and dozens of phrases. Let me just give you one. This is the Old Testament, the book of Mormon chapter 38 verse nine he is the light of the world that ring for you while course that does that talking about Jesus.

Jesus called himself the light of the world. In John 812, was written in the Old Testament. Before Christ that evening, and according to Mormonism in the book of Mormon Jesus came to the Americas after he went up into heaven. The next chapter 1 he came here to visit a group of people called the neophytes in the Lamanite to prove the people and and so all through here. God, I think the that we are better than our brother, 38, 14, all taken right out of Luke 1811 got I think the that I am not as other men over and over again in elements 814 and as he lifted up the brazen serpent in the wilderness, even so shall he be lifted up should come all that referring to Jesus. Of course John 314 and as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of Man be so. I think a lot of the idea are just the kind of borrow them. There are some things that are not quite right, of course, I am not thing everything in the book of Mormon is correct. He has an improper view of the Trinity in their he does have the idea that you have to second Nephi 25, 23 were saved by grace. After all we can do more to come up with that these 289, he thought, well, you know, if we repeat that were saved by grace through faith and not by works in think that part and as on. After all we can do that something in Mormonism because who's doing all they can do but that's what this religion does teach this religion teaches that there is a general salvation.

Everybody received that because of our obedience in the preexistence.

We all have bodies will go to one of three kingdoms of glory celestial kingdom terrestrial kingdom in the celestial kingdom Joseph Smith that were the freaking flooring. The goal is to get the last few kingdom and become a God that is immortality.

So when I'm latter-day St. talks about atonement or salvation by grace they're talking about all of us.

We all get the atonement we all get salvation by grace but only those who keep all the commandments continually, and unless you do where I am. You cannot calm that is the fee for Scriptures doctrine and covenants section 25 verse 15 the idea of eternal life or exultation or Westfield glory.

Those are all synonymous term for God. Mormonism is that you can become a God, you can be with your family. You can be with your wife and children and create new children in the next life or death anathema when we take a look at what Christianity stuff that's coming here here with Sunday from Salt Lake City, Utah and Dave welcome question for you a quick question. I used to be a Mormon and I have a lot of growth still in the church and the biggest hurdle I have is trying to get them. Using feelings of the truth detector to the paradigm the following. I don't get a boat think outside of that paragraph.

I think that's great concern in the Bible that the heart is the step fully wicked who can understand it when you rely on feeling latter-day Saints.

As you know will go to James chapter 1 verse five Joseph Smith used it to pray for wisdom and so they have verse in the book of Mormon. Tomorrow night, and for which says that you have to do this, but here heart true intent. And if you do it that way then you're going to have the feeling but the problem is. Feelings do the thing we we do this every day of the year we used our rationale to help us navigate.

We look both ways when we crossed the street. If we don't were going to get run over what the evidence is a car coming that way is it coming over this other way. Now I can cross the street. That is unnatural. Think we know what the Bible never says to pray about a religion to pray about a certain Scripture like the book of Mormon is the that we're supposed to test everything. First Thessalonians 521 it says in first John four one half the spirit for the past are how to go out test the spirits to see if they are from God because many false prophets have gone out into the world. I think it's a mistake many latter-day Saints will do when they will just pray about something without looking at God's word. That's why I spent few chapters of the 10 chapters talking about the word of God being the source for us to understand what is God's mindset is mindset is, here's what I want you to do.

Here's what I want you to believe. And he takes the Bible he's provided that Bible. So how can you do that, how can you explain that your your family. I'm with you because I have family and my wife died as well. It very difficult, but I just try to take a look at the evidence is available. I even going to their own Scriptures and I and explaining that this is what your own Scriptures say second Nephi 2523 I cited earlier that were saved by grace.

After all you can do. You can ask them the question so are you doing all you can do, because Mormon leaders have very clearly thought that perfection is a full 20 year was Eric Johnson right back going after mass Y call 77077 shoulder. I am okay so we were talking and what we call we will talk to everyone asking a question of his style 877-207-2276 that you mentioned you to be the Utah White House ministry facility to tell us more about them. People stop by the Utah lighthouse bookstore. That's across the street from ballpark on West Temple in 1300 S. easy right off the 15 to take the 1300 S. and and or the ballpark is right across the street is the Utah lighthouse bookstore. I'll be there Saturday from noon to five will have plenty of copies of this new book that came out and love to be able to meet you, maybe find a copy if you like it and ask questions in person that would be fun conversations with you and Bill and it's really neat people come in and it's a safe place a lot of material there very comfortable so please consider going down there this Saturday to check her out. Are you really you'll enjoy talking to just type your Mormon are not sure you're having doubts if you go there. It irks a gentle guy he really is and going for 2025 years on my even longer I sleep, known each other. I believe the early 90 yes been a long time on something so can tell you the mission went to others. Of course, went to Israel.

So you can really enjoy his company is gentle and knowledgeable compassion. It's very foreign, so don't feel threatened. Just consider going down there sometime answering or asking Eric Hill. Talk to you. You will alright I guess my question for you here about Mormonism and suture logically speaking for those who don't know that's a doctrine of salvation. One of the things I think I support his how do you get your sins forgiven and Mormonism versus Christianity all that. The question that we all need to be asking what what is it mean to get salvation.

I like to use the book is not a doctrinal book, but I doctrine on every page practically of his book called the miracle of forgiveness and this is written by an apostle of the time over 50 years ago in 1969 Spencer W. Kimball.

He later became the 13th president of the church. I just want to quote a couple of things out of the book to show you what I think is accurate and what Mormonism teaches.

He says on page 2061 of the most fallacious doctrines originated by Satan and propounded by man is that man is saved alone by the grace of God, he decided he fees 289 favor versus a person use that belief in Jesus Christ alone is all that is needed for salvation, along with all the other work necessary for man's exultation. The kingdom of God. This could rule out the need for repentance and in his mind to have true repentance, you have to be able to prove yourself so you can't just get forgiven and then be able to as many latter-day thing that we did say little prayer as we go out and send then he goes on page 209 and he and he says the gospel is a program of action of doing things eternal life hangs in the balance, awaiting the workmen this progress toward eternal life is a matter of achieving perfection living all the commandments guarantees total forgiveness of sins and assures one of exultation, eternal life, and Mormonism through that perfection, which, by complying with the formula. The Lord gave us in any site. Matthew 548 a verse that is so often by latter-day St. taken out of context. Therefore perfect, then he goes on being perfect means the triumph over sin. This is a mandate from the Lord is just and wise and kind he would never require anything from his children, which was not for their benefit and which was not painful. Perfection therefore is an achievable goal.

I like to call Spencer W. Kimball. He was Nike before there was such a thing is like motto was just do it first Nephi, 37 the book of Mormon God does not get commandments that cannot be So I would like to ask the latter-day thing will how many commandments. Matthew Keith, the answer is always all the time.

How often keeping the commandments always and all the time of the answer to the question and then I always ask how are you doing at that latter-day St. come up with uses like I'm trying or doing my best with means that they're not doing what they're capable of doing and back Spencer Kimball says on page 165 that trine is not sufficient, nor is repentance complete when one merely tries to abandon the try is weak to do the best you can, is not strong, you must always do better than you can.

This is true in every walk of life Latter Day Saints are great people that you know that there are wonderful people but they are trying their hardest but they're never going to be able to attain what God standard is perfection. The only way that a person can get perfected and have their sins forgiven is through receiving the forgiveness available.

I told people use just the way God is perfect, we're not. He's holy in all of our best works are touched by sin, and if we get to heaven by being good by doing anything along why did Jesus come to this or just make it possible for us to salvation. No, he did everything is necessary if your Latter Day Saints are secretly worried about the afterlife you're having a doubt or two about Mormonism you're not sure if your sins are forgiven.

Let me tell you a true living God has done all that's necessary. You don't have to do anything to to receive forgiveness except trust in Christ you trust.

It does not mean is then okay to go out and send we don't believe something though. Eric, a lot of people have taught using believers and that means you just sent say the prayer soon would you say well I do talk about.

I don't have a problem with people wanting to pray to Christ, that in effect I talk about that in book and at the same time. I mean, that's not what makes you a Christian. It's the faith that you have not thing a little prayer but once you become a Christian.

We do believe in justification by faith alone, apart from the work, the law justification that yet. Exactly. Justification is crucial in Christianity that the Protestant Reformation was all about but we also believe in good works. I mean, we do believe in James 220 latter-day things like the quote that after you bring up the pieces. 289 and they think well I you must not believe in works and what you do with faith without works is dead and I said I'll tell them I completely agree with Dave.

Absolutely, we believe in it and in works that, as a result of who we are. We don't do work, who we are. We are Christians and good works will follow.

I says anything and a lot of people miss the in Matthew, despite from 289 were saved by grace, not by works with any man should both and it goes on and it says for we are God's workmanship, created by Christ Jesus to do good works, which he prepared in advance for us to do now with all forgetful of what he just wrote not my work now anything were credited to do good works.

Obviously there must be something that there is a nuance there you become a Christian in order to do what God has intended and that's what we call through the spirit you can't have. You can't have love, joy, peace, patience kind of way that it was intended. Galatians 5 talks about unless you truly have the spirit without the spirit. You have nothing. I unfortunately Latter Day Saints were trying to earn it on their own.

I don't believe that the holy Eric is a part of who they are and so their man-made doctrine that are legally fall, so you know what's reluctant to show you some questions to ask you we could talk most of the let's reintroduce you book your introducing Christianity. Mormons Johnson so it's on Amazon and checking on Amazon and unchristian book.com. Anyplace else you know, just the two main places. Barnes & Noble.com has it as well.

I'm not sure of all the right thing you can certainly get it here and you thought that you telehealth book your how we have it available three MRM.org if you want to order so there's different ways of getting that I would encourage people to either get the Kindle copy to get a hard copy. They're both available out there. I do have a website as well that if people wanted to see some of the bells and what if I start every chapter of the 10 chapters with a conclusion summary and I at the end of every chapter. I have question that you can do this in a group study five question and every chapter has an evangelism encounter that the real-life encounter how you can use that information to the website introducing Christianity.com introducing Christianity.com will take you to that website. I have a few other muscles. There all the different podcasts that I have done. Hopefully something that will be useful for people who really want to get the most out of this book is a good picture you Lizzie Weiss nice nice picture me on there because you want to be successful so you know there's there's other things in there that you actually had an influence on. I can't even pronounce it right.

I can write it commuter cardio video model that in there and when you see that that's because of you Matt because you always are stressing that I think is an important concept. It is you never Bill and I would talk doctrine and teach move the doctor know Mormonism he knows is afflicted with those policy should be to mock him with hypostatic union is really necessary, particularly discussing your CV of Gandhi ontological Trinity. A lot of big words, it is her people so I did not bring front so introducing Tricia to get the Kindle version of the Kindle and loves to function in its 200 F roughly 250 pages and indexing near Scripture references the glossaries got some chapters in here good to have it to the chapters took this out got special relation Bible the New Testament, trustworthy and reliable. The existence of God. Reasonable reasons for belief of the nature of God attributes were the portion Jesus the savior of his people, the resurrection, the cornerstone of Christianity the Trinity, one God three persons. Justification and sanctification drawing in the faith. Good stuff, we got off her real quick and were finishing up the show. If Latter Day Saints is listening to the MA their thinking, and I kind of like the book but I'm not going to spend the money, have them email me Eric erithe@mrm.org.

All giveaway up to five copies you have to be a Latter Day Saints or of left in the past year. I will send you a free copy. Just so you can actually read this and not feel like you any money on it, but I'd like you to promise me, tell me what you thought of the book is fair enough. Well Eric you got about 20 or 30 seconds left to say thanks for your friendship and your great work for the Lord Mormonism is a great job.

Thanks for what you do Matt every day on that radio show.

You are doing amazing work and we pray for you and your wife in the pray that God will bless Carmen you Luke all the guys that work with you thought you would have less all right anybody we are.

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