What Church Is True, Then?, Pt. 2

As for me, is that when I was questioning and want to leave the church and the doubts grew and then you really start Scripture and I been listening to talks and sermons and looked up from her carburetors that were introduced to. That is why it in the this just like you just you. I started to understand that the court is not all the other extraneous things just wanted a great. There are nice people are always willing to help and serve. It was the love, but really, what is the core. The core is who is God who are we in relation to God. What is the gospel and how do we have a right relationship with God. How are we saved to study Scripture Romans, especially Romans, Galatians, Ephesians, is so clear that we are not good at the corner because of our pollinator. We don't sin were not sinners because we said we said because were sinners, so that needs to change our coordinators change Scripture talking about raising us up to spiritual life in Christ, we were dead in our trespasses and sins, and then got Christ raised us up salt all his opacities just didn't maybe remember like little soft about wanting to stay ahead of the vein of Mormonism, but cherry picking what I wanted even to want to keep. I just realized study room for all of chapters 1 through 4 o'clock fact is that I committed myself to the idea of dictating and what the earliest church teaches is a different gospel: the Bible teaches so and I realize at the heart of what I was being the heart of what wanted to represent is not correct. The biblical God than it was a Doppler is that okay well so I just continued to study reformed theology and in the I just thought is consistent. My sizes is consistent with the logical all the Scriptures. Of course, will have our biases and selectivity may be what I see is consistent, but he isn't consistent but from what I've studied and read it just policy very consistent and that's why I've stuck with the reformed tradition, but when I study minor baptism tightly talk about your tentative creatures actually attainable Presbyterian Church anarcho Baptist Church when asserting the topic of covenant theology and baptism. I was trying real hard to not let my past studying, discrete apostasy in all the negative feelings we were given as children about infant baptism. I think I think infant baptism is one of the few things is the book of Mormon teaches will send you straight to hell, but yet are you thinking about it when you die you straight to hell in the book of Mormon. Yeah it is a good thing and not thinking about it. If you think that it's good anybody ever thought here. How about yeah so I thought I� Not. I've really saw the crimson Christian paperwork in a leftist, I don't know what my experience taint know what could be a biblical doctrine. I really gave it several months study. I don't think everybody should do what I did. I kind of like when I was finishing kind of figured out I want to delete Mormonism find a church. I basically shut myself into my room watch Dino sermons and talks on to and to study Scripture and just bought up all kinds of study Bible stoppages. I didn't leave my room for months.

They know figuratively I start work, but enough basically just studied my brain exploded like okay I think I figured it out now and then when I figured out what I believe I started going to the church. I was purely a doctrine side. I googled enough reformed churches as I found to have on the Presbyterian Church Baptist Church in about one topic I wasn't quite sure about the because of the river. One Baptist confession is a 1689 London Baptist confession of faith.

The Presbyterians of the West confession of faith and the London Baptist copy literally copy the confession all all it took for the sections on government covenants, sacrament so I feel very comfortable.

Even when we disagree about those confessions are stuck with the event, with plenty about that was under thinking today about the looseness history account were talks about all the different religions that were just at war with each other and how they were so decided against each other and that's how I viewed Christianity so long that didn't even view each other as Christian and I come to the side and I don't see one all it was just even when I see you know Baptist and Presbyterians he novelty jabs at each other medically. Just joking around, usually on why this is what Joe Smith was talking about serious point of bringing up because I think that's the perception we have as Mormons is that we imagine like I can remember, there is this one video about. I think it was just wasn't Joseph Smith, profit restoration, I think it criminalizes an official of district video about the business life is what I'm talking about, but I don't remember what was called was called the restoration or something. Maybe the judge of the kidneys going outside and all the Christian preachers were shouting at each other point I figured Janik stain all your gonadal and all the stuff that was my thought to select Christians just hate each other, you know, like all there's only one true church also. Which one is which one is true and I should become a Methodist or Baptist or Lutheran like only one of copyright right something that's primary about this this episode, something that the big transition of the kind of why I wanted to talk about next so I brought up Ephesians 45 in the intro. So does appear in court.

Five. Teach really that there is only one true church is there only one Christian denomination that's true, why or why not likely kind of parties booklet about that. Do you want to continue where you left off the pot.

Ephesians 4 for reversible is only one body and so I do think that there is just one church, but I wouldn't upon church. Now the way that I did when I was out of the house because it was about the one denomination that is the one church all exact doctrine being lined up and now I would say that it is every Christian church. Every Christian person goes beyond the scope of Mr. building or even organization with offices calling priesthood keys and it's just all the qualities of Jesus and every church that holds the most Christian essentials. We are all part of an denomination movie parts of the body positive available dehydrator carburetors. The New Testament talks about the church is the body of Christ is my metaphorical sense if you were to take that literally drafted you like the obvious church that either that church that was built up by the apostles through their preaching either continued throughout all of history and find that particular church.

In one of existing denominations of Christianity or there was discrete apostasy replica that church shall so. From a historical standpoint. No I don't I don't have your title scorecard teaches that you when you were in the process of illness church. There was another couple. Also, from our ward with the obvious church and we were friends and I served with the husband couple hiding elders quorum presidency for number of years and we were getting together for a couple cereals as to what was ability and interesting interesting films taken that our view of reality adjusted drastically and we were sitting around talking: the movie in our dining room and the wife asking about her attending and what they took on board resorted and I did my best to describe her what what I've learned thus far and she's like oh so it's sort of like the Martin Luther priesthood of all believers and chancellors. Sort of like that. She was curious and I was learning but the body of Christ is the collective of believers who have been ordered and drawn by God to his son and his sacrifice on the cross and so is the church and entity that is identifiable. No, that's not is not getting wondering body.

This is made up of believers from denominations. In any event, little bit more on loading only lasts talking to Christians who pointed out that even members of their own congregation might not necessarily be saved as it blew me away. I figure you know the way I thought it was everybody in my waters headed toward the celestial kingdom in judging where somebody is based on their religious affiliation, and where we go to church now might know nothing to do with data and everything to do with somebody's personal is Jesus Christ as those going about this? About a sermon that I could slide my wife's parents Baptist Church one time before we left.

The pastor was preaching parens he made investing point in October, November, December and oscillated some who to all outward appearances are whole universe.

All members of that particular Baptist Church and made the statement and it is so church cannot see value in this one signal comes to your suggested that the cross and that that statement is sermon has stuck with me ever since and it was kind of one of those moments that opened the a lot of my mind a lot differently is as latter-day Saints waiting to salvationist is prescribed. It's very clear you are baptizes you progress through the ranks of the priesthood and women go to the temple and take out here in Velma's Temple and were saved.

And it's all because you belong to a church that has the priesthood and as latter-day St. That was that it was very comforting.

It was just like Laura is doing this thing of all good and yet there was there was a sense in which internally I was really struggling because I wondered if I was actually sated so I have this conflict of on one hand one deal confident that I found church and therefore I was in, but internally are you that my relationship is not what it should be Jesus Christ and so when the pastor made a statement about really struck as an important thing for him to have said that I had I heard loud and clear is a church message yeah I agree with what express chair I was thinking about how current form typically use terms like universal church to speak of all the body of believers throughout the world and all throughout time. LOL part of this part of the invisible church because like you said we can't know who saved and not say only God knows that Pope Paul true believers throughout time and space are all united as the body of Christ as those who will have an inheritance in heaven, and the ideal is that the visible church. The congregation is equal to the little church, but we know that's not the case. Obviously there's always going to be tears among the soft belly preach the gospel in our church on Sundays and pastors will say any of you don't know the Lord go to him without harm at the cross and after salvation. So start with the number on the system remembers agreement is less of a competent one course of going back when I was about Christ apostles builds up your continued unabated unbroken throughout the centuries, or the way I view. Ephesians 45 in such a literal way is that there is only one true identifiable church. If you want to Be running the problems in the New Testament is that kind of required approach that there is this one true identifiable church is one set up by the apostles. It was never going to go away that you asked that anyone belong to the church was in bright but as it is running the problems without the New Testament where you see the apostle John talk about those who call away and went out from us and affect anyone else from us shows that they were never really of us parens so. These these people who own way and went out away from us away from the church were never really of the church. It is not the church that cities is talking about so the heart of my view about Ephesians 451 true church and Bible justice system. The Scripture reading about this to you about the horn and commentary from scholars or be a very great blessing of using correctly as I use a commentary from a Dutch reformed scholar named Elaine Hendrickson and he said there could be multiple understanding of this particular passage, so he says what is meant by this one paid is it patently objective science body. Creed or is it taken a subjective sense reliance on the Lord Jesus Christ and on his promises. And he says that the fact that faith is mentioned immediately after Lord and is immediately followed by baptism all in one very short sentence would seem to indicate that the triad is a closely knit unit.

Hence DA says he agrees with another author when he states it is better to take the whole sentence is expressive of a single fundamental fact one Lord in whom we all believe his name you have been baptized. I think he makes a great point there that it's not it's not three completely separate ideas that are chopped up into pieces say okay does one Lord only one true church and only one perfect type of baptism is altogether that one Lord we put our faith in his name ever baptized something.

I think that makes a lot of sense to me that okay so I think this is an important thing to bring up Michael E. Also in public. He actually spoke about essentials of the faith. So, are there officials. Other essential doctrines that should be taught in the local church court to be considered a part of the tragedies, Christ and are there some toxic topics that are secondary or nonessential, where Christians disagree brothers and sisters, universal church of Christ. Yes, I do think we have talked about that quite a dead and I think there are essential doctrines of this law a lot of mobility about really important. So, the nature of God, the Jesus died on the cross for our citizens and that he was resurrected physically resurrected all essentials solos essentials that mean all the nominations and have different role doctrines. It's okay this is micro listed parens. I sold my admired my view is that essentials are within the marriage of the Bible as our work. Dan's so the doctrine is established from from the Bible and German doctrines that she indeed propped up by using the Bible with economic injury doctrines of the doctrine is established from from the Bible to sound exegesis of of the text bearing that added that present essential because the mind was what we have God there are central as you were saying earlier Matthew on the biblical teaching church that's that is what is important because were sharper than any two-edged sword, when the word is preached does not return void and so that's kind of essentials the attic. I think it's not only important to recognize that there is a distinction between essentials nonessential clinic of the doctrine is acting as a very important echelon stressed out because I think a latter-day St. viewpoint. It seems like in our brains. It's like you're either all on board, or you're not penalizing where it's like a latter-day St. were to say something like well I'm latter-day state, but I don't believe our profit is the profit today that would put up some huge red flags or if there to say something like well I just don't think we need temple work anymore. You know it seems like in a latter-day St. mindset.

It seems like very much everything is kind of essential maybe some things are more important than others. In her mind you like maybe some really think genealogy is like to be high up on our priority list.

But for the most part, if you like this to my mind when I got agitated like Christians. They have part have some couple things of that.

But they're not with us. They don't have fullness of salvation. And even if you're in our church. You gotta be on board with everything you can choose it.

Your cafeteria Mormon, like what I started to try to end up becoming than you know then you're not on the profit so is he like to like everything is essential but it is liberating liberated me to realize that there are core there is the core of the gospel with people that are described and the things we disagree upon. It's not because we just pick and choose whatever we want is more like none of us is perfect for each trying to understand the word of God as God loaded and inspired and some things are not under percent clearance picture like there is disagreement in things like church government so there are those who think there should be deacons and elders and above them even like a bishop office is kind of like the idea of Episcopalian view of church government and Thursday. The view that there are deacons, teaching elders and ruling elders. A distinction between those two types of others, but those because there is a possibility of equality under the kind of ideas, or nonessential. Those are not part of the core of the gospel and how it is important that I think baptism in water baptism after recommended that I believe that's nonessential to have a specific kind of baptism because otherwise I would have to say to my Presbytery and my brothers in Christ, I say you have the appositional oil seal. So anyways there's a lot of a topic that I think are nonessential is important to be able to distinguish the essential nonessential and a lot of the essentials were figured out within the first few centuries of the church. I'll just quote really quickly from first encore by this you know the Spirit of God.

Every spirit that confesses that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is from God, and every spirit that does not confess Jesus is not God, so that is that it is one of the tests given us to determine if someone is is is of God or of Santa Fe.

There is an early church that said that Jesus Christ had not come in the flesh that he was not truly truly man that he only appeared to be a man that he came down as God, and look like a man but one truly man, so that was one of the tests is that that that they're fighting in the early church was there people denying the true humanity of Christ and with the areas controversy with country there redefining what it meant Christ to be God, so that was was another battle that was fought but I don't get to history lesson, but just to so that there are essential set true divinity. 90 Christ Trinity, although he said so. I agree with the tenets of portability as a Christian to be able to make the distinction because it think everything is essential than anyone who disagrees with us is a heretic. So there are people like that that that that that there are those who say you have to be up nothing on my way or the highway mentality necessarily dangerous path to go down to be under the leadership of the tutelage of a pastor that the teachers so that hunting out caution those who are leading the arbitration heading Christianity is that they're not taught the distinction between essentials, nonessentials than that I would be very weary of staying with such accommodation. So what would you say to a latter-day St. personally asked you how you would explain that you believe your church is true. There is, isn't logical, personal, just to talk about. The church is the visible on believers that were not able to tell who served the Cognos and we also talked about the importance of essentials and ends solid biblical teaching in the church is I'm going to those things as as reasons why it's fair to believe that the church is I belong to the church I attend is true, and latter-day centers is not. There is there is an essential core of Christian doctrine, Michael named several and when you step outside of medicine were to enter the realm of heresy and is good may come across as unloving.

I know it feels that way to Latter Day Saints to say such a thing. I was simply asked them to consider the fact that their preaching and teaching very similar. So for example is when I was training he needed a latter-day St. missionary, one of the questions that we were trained to pass investigators was if they were a Christian and attended church where Pastor copied Gordon form ordinances and that question implies that there pastor does not have recorded MS one of the things that a latter-day St. missionary will teach to someone is investigating the notice church is that the LDS church, the only woman church that has not Gordon and so without much reportage in her form baptism. The investigator is still on the outside of Christianity due to the limited consider themselves to have been a Christian for their entire lives or from the time began following him walking up Jesus Christ is very similar since it was Larson's teaching very similar so although sound abrasive and sound critical to hear someone say that therapies and documents upon which Latter Day Saints are heretical Latter Day Saints others is likely to spare to have that conversation should be done in love. But to spirit have a conversation every completely.

I was just taking my mind out you think of loving meeting that you just accept everybody curled who they are, what they believe in. You know, don't try to change them. But if you truly love someone and their believing or doing something that could lead them to eternal punishment. We love them and say nothing.

How is that love so I think I agree entirely that when opting hateful by trying to teach them that trying to explain that we believe that certain of their teachings are are emphatically condemned in Scripture as being heretical and and could lead one to tutor down river trying to help them we love them and care about them and want them to find peace and and have true loving saving relationship with Christ. I was thinking of John chapter 8 where Jesus said very plainly says this is paraphrasing as I will do that if you do not believe that I am will die in your sins and it's not just saying that we need to believe that Jesus existed but when he said I am the Greek it was a go. I mean, which is in the Greek Septuagint of the Old Testament and the Greek translation that same grade as a GYN was used of God so Jesus was saying, you must believe that I am God or you will die in your sins. That's a something we cannot negotiate researchers that we cannot negotiate and so denying those truths that are simply living a good life. Being a good person denies having you know having having a really good disposition in their certainties. We believe that our faults they could lead us to condemnation; you have, yes. So when mom Latter Day Saints is usually credited. Pretty simple.

I mean there's a lot of just similar language or caulking and so just be real careful to draw a distinction with what they believing that what I believe. So one of the questions that I will ask people leaving a grace of Jesus Christ is sufficient. And yes, it's because of the book of Mormon's and so the problem then is it Christ grace is sufficient that we don't need anything else. We don't need ordinances and we need to do ordinances then that means that Christ grace is the addition and it just doesn't sound right to acknowledge that the grace of Christ is the nation, and nobody wants to take that position because obviously that's not anybody here that no that is so that's typically my my standard way of going in and is a little bit further the discussion of how to save others. Basically to gospel notice imputation where Christ gives us his righteousness and where that like a cloak and it currently us in and our orderliness hinges on our faith for the gospel of amputation in the book of Mormon teaches that we must amputate all the sin, life in order to be whirling in with that mindset. As long as sin in our lives were in trouble because our worthiness, obedience, and none of us are: obedience, so that's where I I, pray to God alive between Austin and Latter Day Saints know it is a different gospel is not a gospel located along like what I also very clearly that anyone teaches a different gospel and what he is caught Kirsten so that we can't be saved by a false gospel and so one of us is Brian and one of us is cursed and you know that there is a distinction there and we need to talk about about that distinction.

So for me it is really the gospel and how it functions, is this how I want have to latter-day St. about why my church is true. The nurse is not. That's really great.

I'd I agree with you I think when I when I went over latter-day St. The three things that I feel like I need to hit a tree company to hit our who is God who is Christ. What is the gospel because those are the that's the heart and soul of the gospel and guard Coverity don't have those three things you get everything else right of matter so I try to explain that I'm part of the true church of Christ in the sense that all such I want to a church that teaches the gospel that teaches the biblical God and a teaches a biblical Christ and they have a question about that no list dive into it. Okay if you don't think the Trinity is biblical and is going to so I try to start with one God only passages shows one, and then you do not threaten because that's passages where it says is only one God will usually try to redefine but not retro start is the foundation of the court because we can get caught up in lots of other ancillary topics in the nestling going back to that core. Yeah, I agree with that meeting is 100 kg on the same forms online will were debating Latter Day Saints and look through those graves will see so many nonessential paintings being debated in those forms and a lot of dignity. Christianity is just. Why your church is wrong here some historical aspect. I think the danger that is that a lot of historical stuff improve them to advantage of the shady things that just needs to atheism. That's where the tendency to go but if you're talking about the essential core doctrines that is a bridge to Christianity. And I think that's probably the top about.

When Michael you said about this project has been neglected really to letters in history and trying to reconcile the typical historical record with no sanitized view of Mormonism is a restoration of Christianity and I got to the point where I realized that I was so dedicated to having submitted it had to do that or nothing on top about the conversation I had with Angela my wife about not digesting resulting Mormon ahead had been Mormonism or nothing. I had submitted puzzle pieces.

It became an idol in my life and I think that the true to talk about close on on the Christian side of things who are also so dogmatic regard to tutor denominational views that the sum of 800 student in their fellowship with other believers in different hundreds and their evangelism as they will focus on nonessentials and really become an idol and still let us go back to what matters is Christ. What matters is what he did for us on the cross. What matters is resurrection and postings are core gains.

Duties that are nonessential and/or interesting to study, but it's important that we not let those things become an idol worship is of God are worshipers of Christ and invested vestiges place and is questionably there's a quote by Charles Haddon Spurgeon that I was trying to find the really short okay paragraph so Charles Haddon Spurgeon is a Baptist preacher of prince of preachers on he says here, I do not ask you whether you are Wesley in a Baptist or Presbyterian. My only question is are you born again. I think that's really important to keep up with an evincing headset you know Christ that's about what matters most, and you have a love for the biblical Christ.

That's that's something I posted one of the servers he says how can we know that were saved we have any love at all for the biblical Christ, not a different Christ crisis Scripture abilities eternal God, the one who was God made flesh. 20 died for the sins of his people you believe in that Christ you have any love. Because you can only have love that Christ would want the true true love so that everything we possibly be pointing back to Christ is in any system that pushes us away from Christ is a four hour trusting anything but him/her. Salvation is a different gospel had a different yeah I release it was great just the way said so any other costs, negative okay data/loaded up on wood you have any resources, books or websites or anything that you would recommend her questioning Latter Day Saints may be considering joining a church, but don't know where ago see the city never really liked the vineyard bread website a lot, but it doesn't really help nowhere to go but it's good questioning thing I've heard a lot of good things about nine marks I can vouch for personally but I've heard that nine marks is kind of a ministry relay they try to find churches that follow certain biblical standards. He can look at the website@9marks.org that could be one place to go to. Personally, what I would do is I would ask when anybody asked me should I go to the church. I don't ask what denomination is necessarily agitated if you can find a website if you have one.

Check it out and usually don't have a list of what they believe and I would read that list compared to some of things we talked about you they teach the triune God, the Trinity did they teach Christ as our Savior did they teach that the saved by grace alone through faith alone in Christ alone.

Those kind of things because those can be a really easy way to see if the church that you are considering this is a solid church to join are they studying another book during the sermons. Besides the Bible lag in and out in our church like for Sunday school sometimes will have a bookable study, but it's always a solid book. So you know if your as long as I think that this actual worship service should be focused on Scripture but I don't see a problem with studying else percentage goes up like that, but I don't either your house talking about coming worship, on her medical is nothing wrong with total involuntary civil the pastor's name is written right in our book of Mormon Rhonda automotive click that that video goes in the hibernation every four months and then out of nowhere Mormon the closing at 20 times a day on all the groups that I like to go back to ignoring. I know if he knew more about him, they would not post those things. He is so he favors the other branches of Mormonism so much more than mainstream Mormonism.

I don't have the resources or books or websites. You just need to do some of us, and that would be to have an open mind, considering leaving Latter Day Saints church and joining a Christian church. I would say you do lose staff recommended Google search some procedures in the area look at their websites, their students would generally find the little bit of a recession, we believe in most cases and see what their core beliefs are to have an open mind with regard to music and worship style when you're Latter Day Saints. There is a tendency to as Matt was saying a legal notice that everything is essential and you have the mindset of going to really struggle as you turn the transition to Christian church because small principles elected that's really not where you need to be the time in the transition is a difficult goal realization comes to two Latter Day Saints Trinity for her, record number of years were born in the government for their entire life and reached the point where you are willing to walk awareness and distal student after after Jesus is still a very difficult thing to yourself that you are wrong in many respects, but that really is is discouraged need to be able to settle into Heidegger Christian church because you need to be able to walk in, sit down through the sermon for what it is and so I've my advice was to have an open mind willing to experience things that are new and different than what is experienced in the past, willing to listen without the Mormon filter and bluish tutor. The gospel preached.

That's really important. I can add to that. I think also there's there's no shame in attending a church for a while and you feel that the that the Navy they don't focus on the Bible enough in the sermon ordered something fell off for now. I think like you said you can have the scale. The more the longer I've said it takes time for that aware often creative kind of didn't decide the evidence something else is different doesn't make it wrong, but also the same time I've known you know baby Christians that that are given really bad advice or that are penile there attended church that that kind of how to set us there attended church where it's not as biblically sound and activated yourself. It's dangerous also to go church hopping note to never settle down in one single church to go from church to church to church and never settling down, but also to be tied without willing to see that maybe this church is the right place to be so easy. There's a certain amount of flexibility.

I think they need to recognize and then you really need to find I would recommend also finding a solid Karen a coworker or somebody that the Christian prolonged time of taking mentor you or give you advice on certain things and you know that their theology is sound and you know that to be a real blessing as well. I kinda wish I had that my transition is kind of on my own.

A little bit just reading a lot of books and watching live videos but it would've been nice to have somebody there to ask questions and to just get their perspective, but but again it should be a mentor that has shown that there sounded at a show the marks of a Christian is growing in faith and in in Christ and over the years that shows the maturity in the faith setting that's important to you can find that that's the real that's incredible blessed absolutely hundred percent agreeing and one other thing I would add that to hit at all possible, find somebody to go to church with bleeding Mormonism is an incredibly lonely journey and sometimes going into Christianity feel lonely to and I would when I first started going and I was just going by myself and I did have friends. I just feel so awkward and just down sitting there alone, so I recommend finding a small group and reaching out to pasture and sitting down and talking to him to and help so much and got some of the people in your corner and you're not making the journey by yourself having having solid afternoon also have to look at is also important and I think it's important that they know you that you are just a number or that you know that you get ignored.

They should be interested in your well-being in your spiritual well-being and hopefully there there at least sensitive to a transition. My living in New York.

There really aren't a lot of Latter Day Saints or Latter Day Saints. So my passage really had no idea about Mormonism other than kind of what they teach in a few things, but they paid no people to come out of every walk of life.

Every religion into Christianity and so they're just a huge blessing to a traditional marriage is very loving. They were not pushy about me understanding everything all at once.

You know, there are likely there very much willing to go up my pace and help me understand certain things and they knew that I read a lot of books anyway so there that I don't think they're really worried that much about the doctrine part but there really made it an effort to welcome the congregation and I was I was at the blessing because like you said it's such a lonely road election of the LDS church on your own and and I and I wish I found my congregation sooner, because I was by myself months and was just a loneliest experience in the coming into this church, and he is just like the life you just home again is just great feeling. We thank you for tuning into this episode of the apprentice podcast we like to hear from you. You're invited to visit the other brightness podcast page on Facebook. Feel free to send a message there with comments or suggestions by clicking send a message at the top of the page and we would appreciate it if you give the page alike. We also have an outer brightness podcast group on Facebook you can join and interact with us and others. As we discussed the podcast past episodes. Suggestions for future episodes, etc. we would love to hear from you and hope to speak with you soon, Steve.

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