Awaiting Jesus Christ or the Antichrist?

One man says he's not afraid of the antichrist. Neither are we. Because will never meet you.

You're in a church that I had a study by the doctrine that is being ignored by many people claim to know Jesus and church all around the world should add to you boldness and power in your witnessing and in your faith today. Jan Markel continues to discuss various aspects of the rapture of the church with Dr. David Ragan. We believe the pre-tribulation rapture of the church is one of the most important and the lines doctrines within the church. The we believe Satan wants to rob you of your future make you think you're going to face the antichrist. The Bible is clear that the church escapes that they Jan talks to David Ragan about these and related issues.

We carry Dr. Reagan's newest book rapture fact or fiction, even if our seminaries and pulpits are quiet on these issues. Understanding the times radio and collar ministries keep it in the forefront. Now here are Jan Markel and Dr. I'm saying that the rapture could happen between that line and the skinny line going. I think that big line.

I think we're really close. We are seen amazing things taking place in the world around us world gone nuts and yet everything is coming together. Just exactly as God promised welcome to the program you know you hear me say that all the time things are falling prior to falling into place. Let me just introduce today's program here and give me just a moment to do so. If you don't mind because I recently spoke in a prophecy conference with significant attendance happen to be in Canada and right before Pastor Jack hands and that's his voice. You just heard right before he got up to speak about the rapture about a month ago now a conference attendee stood up and shouted to over 2000 people that there was no rapture in the Bible and he disrupted the event for several minutes before being literally hauled away by security and he hollered all the way to the door as he was escorted out of the building. There is no rapture. There is no rapture and I was reminded that there is a vicious attack on our blessed hope so. We talked about that for the first half of our programming last weekend and I'm continuing the topic this week with Dr. David Ragan of landline ministry and why two weeks and you know I very often will do a two week series on something very important and frankly I could not survive without the hope of our Lord's return at any minute.

Perhaps today. Technically, the rapture is a pretty spineless event but there are many signs predicted for a last generation, such as the decline of the church increased apostasy. The rebirth of Israel all the second Timothy three signs and a myriad of signs for the tribulation, and second coming, but they are casting a shadow on our generation. Thus, my conclusion is that Jesus is coming in the clouds to take his church home. Quite frankly, at any moment and that is why am willing to spend two weeks talking about it and also carry a new book by Dr. David Ragan, the rapture fact or fiction before I bring David Ragan on limited 32 paragraphs about what Terry James says about the book Terry is coeditor of the rapture ready website along with Todd strand Bergen Terry writes this he says the topic of the rapture is presently under extreme persecution. If I may use that term to express the assaults being made on a biblical doctrine.

Terry says I and others who teach the pretrip rapture are frequently inundated with invectives that accuse us of leaving people to fail to recognize the antichrist when he comes on the scene. Terry James says our antagonist use every scriptural gymnastic imaginable to try to obscure the fact that the Bible plainly teaches the pre-tribulation call to the church by Jesus Christ one more paragraph Terry James goes on to say, this is why I say Dr. Reagan's book and that's the book were talking about here is simply the best book because it presents so simply, i.e. the writers style and language in describing this most glorious event in the Christian's future and seems to indicate that he has at his fingertips some sort of purification filter.

His presentation makes sparkling Lee pure scriptural spiritual water. The doctrine of rapture thus is made crystal clear for the reader and then Terry James concludes there is no fluff. Dr. David Reagan's book just a marvelously plain explanation of all one ever needs to know about that. Twinkling of an eye, moments of Dr. Dave Ragan. Welcome back to understanding the times radio picograms. Always a joy to be with you. Well, your dreams really slow mail folder. All he said, a lot more. It was all glowing. I'll tell you that "during the episode was reportable book I was going through my library or one the oldest book would go to categorically prove they were highly theological like diversified one that was published recently by Ed Hudson and Mark talk very theological but the average person could dollars and the others were Burberry detailed and understandable book so detailed hundred three 400 pages that you could horribly see the trees for the forest and about what can I just together, fishable book that answers the questions most briefly asked questions and also deals with the most frequently late objection objections short sweet Newport that's what it brought the group when you've done that in roughly hundred pages saved tenant to the point and like you have said and I've heard you say it.

Satan is so opposed to this glorious hope because he doesn't want us to be people of hope. He wants us to be people of despair, fear, gloom and doom as our society old apartment, Baldwin grew up due to the morality of volatile the whole world seems to be descending about.

He will chose to be living in utter despair here in the pre-tribulation rapture gives great. Hopefully the right, but there are some let's be honest here there premillennialists folks out there who basically believe as we do with this one exception, and that is they do not like the pretrip rapture. They believe in a post mid-trip or pre-wrath whatever I may be the come up with some new ones are eventually but when they attack and when they contend they contend pretty contentious lady and I know you've noticed that as well. I think what's puzzling people is how did this happen that both the seminaries and then as a result, the seminaries dropping the topic that were talking about. Of course the pulpits have dropped it, and then Pastor Tom Hughes needs a Calvary Chapel of 412 church San Jacinto wrote a wonderful article.

I know your very well aware of it. He came up with a bunch of reasons why number one is referring to seminaries and pastors they don't understand it to. They fear offending members, three. They are concerned about scaring people for they fear losing the ties.

If they talk about the end time events. In other words, if we have a 20 year building program may wish and talk about the Lord's coming tomorrow. And this isn't all churches. Please don't hear me say that number five they are afraid. And this is legit. They are afraid of being identified with the loony fringe such as Harold camping don't want to go there because camping and wise and hunt and others have so damaged the stop brought I would play. Remember everyone about going to reverse biblical to poke with the good across America's groups about the return of Jesus and all the fun times help come together as never before ever shouting out loud is like and that Jesus is coming soon and not only that, and let's go back to seminaries and pulpits is Peter and Paul and John and Jesus can talk about the topic and let's focus in on the rapture here. It's all of those biblical figures can talk about the rapture. Surely our pulpits could talk about it the least now and then agree hundred percent.

You know it's interesting, but the number one argument that I run across all the time because the rapture is wish to knew to be true. And it's interesting that when Martin Luther started the Reformation by arguing that salvation is by grace through faith and not by works.

The Vatican challenged him and he went to the meeting at the diet of worms and the Vatican representative his number one organ was your statement that salvation is by grace through faith is to knew to be true. No pulses taught it for 1200 years.

It has to be faulty cultures to knew to be true of a old with none of the popes of the church fathers taught Martin Luther said well it's interesting because Jesus did Jesus deal Paul got exactly as some early church fathers did to David or shortly taught Emma sleepily taught him in and see any moment going back here just for a minute I don't quite leave this attack on the rapture and recently got a hold of Dr. Michael Brown's new book it's called, not afraid of the antichrist. Why we don't believe in a pre-tribulation rapture. Now here's why bring it up bring it up because he's got a couple hundred pages here I'm gonna try to say this, respectfully at same old same old, it's John Darby. Of course we have to face persecution. I don't think he sees a distinction between the second coming in the rapture, which is so important that we distinguish between the two. My only point is, can they not come up with something new.

I say they can't know that I have not written book of Rick actually wrote about the book. In the essay.

The only thing he emphasized other than all started with John Darby of 1830 and therefore could not be biblical's other argument was basically the people would leave the pretrip rapture, or just sit there waiting for the Lord, and have no concern about the deterioration of American society or the problems of our society like abortion support and that of course is absolutely ridiculous when you consider that Kim, who was before most of the pretrip rapture was up to his errors in all kinds of political organizations that were designed to come against abortion and same-sex marriage of every other horrible thing going on in our society. Yeah good point.

Just a very title of Michael Brown's book.

Not afraid of the antichrist is with you in our as if you and I are you and I don't give it a nanosecond with the thought, why should really about living looking for the underground were literally lyric Jesus Christ and I wish these folks could get that in their minds, display a short clip to back up a little bit what were saying perhaps to be Pastor JD farrago a man I'm very very close to and appreciate his eschatology outreach on YouTube every week… Play this clip in the day, but I want to come back and comment with you see if Jesus coming for his church isn't meant there's no hurry.

And there's certainly no worry you will believe that just try bringing up a pre-tribulation rapture and that you were dogmatic about it and bring it up. Try to engage in a conversation with a member of a modern day Laodicean church and watch what happens is a satanic component to I believe that this is why even mentioning a pre-tribulation rapture causes so much hostility and so much controversy. It comes packaged with a satanic divisiveness with increased and Satan. If he can get us on pay rapture doctrine is God's patient ordered us and has rendered us because now there is no urgency – no, if you will now in our Christian sale now there's something else that makes that happen before my Jesus can return for his bride will tell you straight up don't be messing with or delaying the coming of my Jesus, I want to go home. This is not my home and this is not your home. We are renting here. We are aliens here.

We are nomads here, probably a better word than aliens.

Aliens is aware in word a King James word when our foreigners. This is not our final destination. Satan has succeeded in dividing the body of Christ.

So much so that the church today has become focused on the antichrist is instead of who Jesus Christ is, if you just joined Mayor listening to understanding the times radio Jan Mark O'Hara have on the line from Dallas Dr. Dave Ragan because were carrying his newest book, the rapture factor fiction you find it in my store. You can read it to three hours folks and it's put very simply, all the issues concerning the rapture, particularly if someone is clean and new. And they test don't know what to think about this topic maybe is too complex and too confusing to them at this is perfect for you in my office a call anytime you find printed the newsletters that we carry can sign up for those at Olive tree's.org olive to review the Stout orca got Dr. Ragan on the phone for the entire program talking about the rapture is in fact or fiction.

Dr. Dave Ragan. I have said and I even said it at your conference almost exactly a year ago part of the attack is attack on dispensationalism itself and you talk a little bit about the dark history of millennialism you've already referenced the Catholic Church and how that plays into some of this and some of what the early Christian leaders believed want to reference that for a moment or so because I think that the history here needs to be understood a little bit better if all of the early church fathers almost without exception were pretrip, relational and viewpoint. There were some exceptions, but not many. What happened was about 403 that Augustine wrote a book called the city of God, which became the basis for much of modern-day Catholic doctrine in that book you develop a new eschatology, and it was cold all millennialism and basically what adjustably slid wells that were in the millennium development board of the crawlspace go to continue until Jesus comes back… Becky thought that would be a thousand years and that the Lord would come back with that happen. What he did was spiritualize all of in time prophecy inflated did not mean what it slid to admit what he should have spiritualize all of it. The church jumped on that immediately because basically what it said was God's washed his hands. The Jewish people and because of that he is giving older blessings of the church of the church is really the kingdom and not a future kingdom for the Jews of the Bible promises, but the church is the kingdom, and therefore the church grab that immediately said yes. We are the kingdom of God on earth. The Pope is his representative of all nations on planet Earth should submit themselves to the Polk that became the number one end time doctrine of the Roman Catholic Church and for the next 1200 years. If you wrote anything contrary to that you will burn the state you will burn with whatever you wrote.

So during that time people had no opportunity really to present any other viewpoint, and there would be very rarely any other report presented because most people really knew what Scripture said to the priest because no one had Bible levels could be done by Hensel people and help Bibles and most people Middle Ages could rewrite. Anyway, this is one of many reasons why the development of the rapture concept took a long time is because you didn't have people read the Bible and studying the Bible their own. They just had to believe whatever the Roman Catholic Church said that once the invention of the printing press occurred in late Bible printing much cheaper and once the Bible was translated into common languages like English and German. Then the common man in the late 1600s and early 1700s began to get copies of the Bible and read it and say hi.

The Bible says this, the church says that there's something wrong somewhere here and as they begin the focus on eschatology, they begin to see that everything is been spiritualized in the first coming props, which meant what they said. Therefore, the second coming project must mean what they say.

So the premillennial viewpoint, which is based upon what the Scripture say that viewpoint came back in the 1700s and then people began to notice that there was a difference in the rapture and the second coming and they start talking about the two are separate events. Some of the time adorably in the early 1800s. This was a very common idea that the rapture was something separate and apart from the second coming is just enfolding the door of his lap at 1830. It was a bit ticked around for almost 3 centuries.

This is been proven beyond a shadow about by a new book by William Watson, usually English researcher in English literature and he has researched over 350 books he said, most of which are probably not been limited to hundred years that he felt REFERENCES to rapture separate from the second coming.

I think it's important to point out the serious distinctions between the rapture and the second coming. If you'd like to take a few minutes and let me just say again in this book by Michael Brown. I'm quite sure he doesn't see her rapture. He sees a second coming. Then he builds a whole book on attacking those of us who believe in our blessed hope, which refers to invoke otitis, but why don't you take a minute or two to talk about why it's so important to see the difference difference is pretty obvious anybody listening go over to Portsmouth going for and start reading their about verse 13 and leave the story of the rapture and then go over to Revelation 19 and read the story of the second coming out of the only link the passages in the New Testament to describe the Lord return in detail. The problem they have nothing in common except they both focus apology and personal excellence for Jesus appears in the heavens.

In Revelation 19 returns or adverse less than 40 returns back to heaven to do that revolutionizing the phones for your peers for his church. Revelation 19 returns with his church and personal phone story appears as a deliverer delivering his church from the wrath of God, whereas in Revelation 19 Jesus returns as a warrior to pour out the wrath of God on those who rejected the grace, mercy and love of God versus those for Jesus appears in grace. Revelation 19 appeared in wrath verse the phone for Jesus appears as a bridegroom for his bride Revelation that they returns as King of Kings and Lord of lords. They just have nothing in common. The only way you can argue that they are related to each other is to say, okay, that they all happen at one time. What happened to Jesus appears in heaven we go up meeting with Scott that we immediately come back down the first dealio of the yo-yo rapture, but that makes no sense at all. And furthermore that raises a lot of problems. As you will note. If you put the rapture in the second coming together. Did you have no one to go into the millennium in the flesh because if there happen at the same time that everyone who was saved is glorified and there are no people go into the millennium in the flesh.

The only way you can get people to go with the millennium of the flesh is you got the help of distance between the rapture and second coming, that the course of the tribulation.

During that time, many people will come. The Lord most will be killed, but some will live to the end of the tribulation and those who accept Jesus during the tribulation and lived at the end of it are going to be allowed to go into the millennium in the flesh, and they will repopulate the earth if you put those two together. The rapture second coming is all one of it. You have no one in the flesh to go in the millennium. Thank you David Jeremiah money have him build and what you just said now here's where the disconnect is the most people get confused about the future. The rapture and the second coming of Christ is not the same thing. The rapture is when Jesus comes back to take his people back to heaven with him then tribulation on the earth takes place and then the second coming is when Jesus comes back in the Bible says.

He comes with all of the people of God and with all the angels and sets up his kingdom on this earth.

Now here's the answer to that young girl's question. There are no signs for the rapture the rapture could happen at any time, but the New Testament is filled with signs for the second coming, but guess what every event tacit shadow before us. So if there are signs of the second Advent, and they tell us that the second Advent is coming. That leaves the rapture seven years before that. So the rapture surely coming, is so when we study the prophecies of the Bible and we see the regathering of Israel and we see the collection of the nations of Europe and we see all the things that are happening on the prophetic scene what we know is this our redemption is drawing by the Bible tells us that Jesus is going to come back and I I know I might embarrass myself a little bit by saying this, but I tell people everywhere I go I expect to be here when Jesus comes back for the rapture. I believe things are so close that if the Lord lets me live out my life. I'm going to see the rapture, and I've come up with a slogan I'd rather see the overprotective and the undertaker would you Dragon sometimes people will criticize the fact that we do talk about signs of the times, but my goodness does David Jeremiah just said what's happening. It's all written in the Bible. But even if it's a foreshadowing of what's to happen in the tribulation second coming is casting a huge chattel right now. It certainly is. Just appreciate David Jeremiah so much. Another 1 Appreciated Ron Rd. young. I don't know what you know Ramon Cleary well proxy teacher if we had him speak at our cop works a few years ago on the concept of the pretrip rapture, and he was talking about those who believe in a postscript rapture, who put it together with the second coming and he said pokes the description of the rapture and prosocial import ends with the statement. Therefore encourage one another with these words he said that the combine rapture with the second coming in here is what you're saying to people you will go through seven years of God wrath you will supper through the terrible reign of the Antichrist, you will experience the agonizing seal trumpet and bowl judgments which will grow progressively worse and increasingly painful, and both of you with that painful death of mortars. Therefore encourage one another with these words and heard him say it is brilliant that work doesn't work talking to Dr. David Ragan this hour because we carry his newest book, the rapture sector section. He scanned a bout 21 points that he's analyzing throughout the book looks at the questions the objections comes up with a conclusion and you know that if you follow this ministry conclusion is a pretrip rapture could happen any minute. David Ragan I got this email recently. Let me read it.

I know what your response is going to be.

Darren writes this, he says. I take the gospel into the prisons to the lost on a weekly basis. I wife and I attended your conference last year we get the DVDs. I showed the conference DVDs to the inmates.

This is in the prisoner says now these inmates get this folks, I may get choked up here. Now these inmates can't get a hold of information going on outside the prison, but they could tell from these DVDs that his return is close. I showed them again to the inmates. He said, and now the chapel is packed. Inmates are sharing their faith boldly.

They are not willing that any should be left behind and inmates are coming to Christ, left and right. I have been doing this for years and I have never seen a response like this. Thank you God bless you. We hope to attend your conference as well. David, you and I aren't surprised really Bible prophecy out properly is a great tool of evangelism that Chuck Smith proved that he pounded the whole Calvary Chapel movement on the teaching of Bible prophecy goal, the Internet, look up his name on YouTube and you will see him preaching on the campuses of the colleges and universities in California to those young people and baptize them by the thousands. All he was preaching and every sermon wasn't Bible prophecy and the imminent return of Jesus. The grantor will be better absolutely.

Since hand in glove and that's what this prison evangelist is saying since he started introducing eschatology to the inmates. He said his chapel is absolutely packed factors always tell me well, but I will probably not relevant to the present… Many problems in my car and go to preach about in my point of them is if you could ever convict your car.

Duration of two crews, you will totally change of number one Jesus really is coming, but that most people who claim to be Christians believe that with her hip enough to believe it with your heart, and number two. That is an event that can occur in a moment.

You convince people of those two things they will commit their lives to holiness and they will commit their lives to evangelism and what work address for you can learn more at David's website, lamb, lion.com, lamb, lion.com check out his weekly TV program Christ in prophecy Christ in prophecy you can learn the airings of that program which I've had the privilege of being on a couple of times@lamblion.com David just a few more places I want to go and I'm gonna take my first break and then come back and we got some other topics that I want to consider. One would be the fact that the tribulation it's really all about the Jewish people in the course.

Then we get pounded for saying you guys want another Holocaust to happen because that kinda happens in Revelation to the Jewish but the purpose of the tribulation is for the salvation of the Jewish nation not for the church throughout, and I just think that the churches today do not understand nor do they have much of an interest in understanding the whole concept of Israel history, present, future. Replacement theology is taken over many denominations. They just can't possibly comprehend how God still plans to deal with Israel controlling her and now he lived most of Christendom is that God walked his hand with duty and overloaded pillars of Jesus and have no purpose well for the metal horrible DSM Zach Bible says all Israel will be saved if they live through that tribulation. They going to be saved because there than see him as stimulus that I'm not coming back to serve until the Jewish people were willing to fight broke out on large metal lab listeners remember the name of the Lord. That's right.

When I get that I want to talk about Dr. Reagan's get some 21 points in this book. He's got things laid out the concept of the rapture. The questions concerning the rapture.

The objections concerning the rapture and then of course he conclusion as it concerns the rapture and all of this son just over 100 pages with footnotes. I think I read it in maybe two hours, a handy tool and if somebody is trying to wrap their brain around the topic and there saying I have read books and they are so complicated they are sociological not saying that there's anything wrong with theological books. That's outstanding but maybe not everybody can fully understand what's being written when it's highly theological. This one is written simply and it will be understood. I think very, very quickly and very, very simply, as well. Why come back. We've already touched on some of the objections of Artie talked about the fact that there's a lot of pushback actually in pushback by believers in premillennialism, not to mention pushback coming from millennialism Prater risen kingdom now type theologies which those are false. The post millennialism kingdom now dominion is on false theologies a lot of pushback there but pushback from within our own campus well will pick up on this in just a minute or two don't go away. We know insert still shots and video online YouTube presentations. Large visual persons check out our YouTube channel. Jen Markel also download the one place.com mobile app if you are on the go or unable to stay via radio or computer.

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Box 1452, Maple Grove, MN 55311 that's Box 145, Maple Grove, MN 55311 fax to John Markel first lesson audience for 13 do not want you to be ignorant church. Don't be dumb concerning those who have died and Jesus fallen asleep, lest you sorrow as others who have no for if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so God will bring with him those who have died in Jesus for this we say to you by the word of the Lord, that we who are alive and remain until the coming of the Lord will by no means precede or go up. Those who have fallen asleep.

For the Lord himself will descend from heaven medical center. No angel is going to do this himself from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel and the trumpet of God and the dead in Christ will rise first. Then we who are alive and remain shall be caught up. That's the word rapture right together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And thus we shall always be with the Lord. Therefore comfort one another with these words. Listen what is about to take place. When will it happen no minerals and there they are.

Could happen and I could happen tomorrow, you ready hope you're ready first Corinthians 15 tells us what's going to happen in that moment, imagine just what a long sleep in whatever were doing – too fast when you're startled you, do not know what's going on, but slow enough to like, oh Lord, I will pay many of these of the Lord what's been happening for strengthens 1551 says behold I tell you a mystery.

We shall not all sleep or die, but we shall be changed in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye 1800s.

The seconds in the last trumpet. For the trumpet will sound, and the dead will be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed. Well, that was the brilliance of Jack Hibbs, Pastor Jack Hibbs maturing a lot of platforms with Jack lately one to play that little humorous insights that he has let me just quickly say that if you do write to last particularly for sending a gift but you tell us what you're listening to electronically on one of our 850 stations a podcast or just tell us how you listen what you were very active on social media, Facebook, twitter, Instagram, YouTube were inserting images now into our YouTube's so you can see exactly what were talking about everything we talk about will show you and the YouTube channel is under Jan Markel shall get my print in e-news letter you can call for those or sign up online. A lot of what we talk about including the products that were offering and we are offering one this hour, all offered in our print and e-news letter and the one were dealing with today.

The product rapture fact or fiction. Dr. David Ragan's newest book skinny one. You can read it to three hours and I'm prompted again and the devil emphasis on the rapture because as I said, introducing this program has recently at a conference in Canada or somebody literally jumped up and hollered for five minutes. There's no rapture disrupted 2000 people there to learn about these events screamed and hollered and had to be literally picked up and hauled out.

What upset him are blessed hope. Go figure were in strange times. He was carried out. He looked back at the security team and smiled. Great big smile. I'm told because he got his point across that there's no rapture.

Well, if he's a believer will be pleasantly surprised. Someday promise you that someday Ragan let's move on here because we want to hit some of the more specific topics in your book, and you've got a bunch of the objections to the blessed hope, let's talk about a few of them, as we have time all it's not in the Bible. Okay, David.

How can you write a book about a topic that isn't in the Bible talk to me how how did you do that. That is really the number one objection always run into the second one being a student to be true, but number one.

How can you believe something is not even the Bible to work not in the Bible will first but we need to understand that the Bible was written in Hebrew and Greek and one portion of a paramedic. So Bible Be translated the Latin Bible which was translated by Jerome and published around 400 a day. That was the basic Bible of Western civilization for 1200 years. Most people don't know that they think the King James is been the only Bible used with but no the King James been around 400 years. This was 1200 years from 100 A.D. to 1611. That was the basic Bible of Western civilization and first Thessalonians 417 they can find the word rapture right there were talks about his being called up to meet the Lord uses the word rep in Newark which is a declension of the word wrapping and that is a translation of the Greek word proposal which means to be taken out snatched out caught up whatever personal word is there more than that be in English were to be a biblical word, even if it work. The point is that there are many, many biblical words and concepts that are not found specifically about words and concepts of the Bible. For example, word Bible is not of the Bible is the word Trinity or atheism or divinity or monotheism for Shekinah glory age of accountability and coordination that I could go on about all of these are biblical concepts that were specifically stated as such.

But there there. That is just what I call one of the silliest argument you could come up with is the word is not in the Bible. I would agree. Another thing that is thrown at us as an accusation is well here bunch of escape artist you want to escape the wrath to, you, that in the Bible talks a lot about the church escape first Thessalonians 110 Thessalonians 59 you bring this up, you bring it up very effectively so wanted to talk to us about these verses that promise us that we will escape the wrath to come will shortly.

One reason I believe in a pre-tribulation very strongly is because the Bible promises us that we will not be subjected to the wrath of God. This is a very important problem. It is a promise that is repeated several times that you will buy them for special instructor 110 where it says that we are waiting for Jesus to come and will deliver us from the wrath of this to come fight again mentioned versus on chapter 5 you'll find in Revelation chapter 13 that you are not going to be subjected to the wrath of God tribulation from beginning to end is the wrath of God, your people sale will place just the last part of it know all of it from beginning the example the seal judgments. They come from the throne of God and at the end of the seal judgments. It says these judgments or the judgments of the Lamb that's made in Jesus Christ. These are his judgments. He's the one that opens each judgment and when you get over to the end of Revelation and you get to the port or the going to have the final bowl judgments. It says these are the final judgments of God, not the first or the beginning, but the final from beginning to end. It is the wrath of God. People who try to put us there or just simply violating the works is the promise of God that we will not be subjected to the wrath of God and not even talk about his new book, the rapture sector section enters the stinking out there, particularly the pre-wrath hers and you've already referenced the minute the tribulation hits the minute the church is gone the minute prominent politicians are gone the minute. Certain governments cannot function the minute their planes crashing from the sky. The moment of the rapture moment after the rapture.

It's chaos. It's a lawlessness and for some of these these pre-rafters and others to say is you've just indicated all my the first part isn't all that bad. I'll be a peace treaty that might even be peace in the Middle East. Hey, it's gonna be not so bad. Oh, it will be but in fact, the Bible indicates that in the first seal judgments 1.0 that's right one vertical to die the next series of judgment that just play back there for moment about 7 billion people in the world they legislate for the purpose of math 1 billion votes were taken out, the rapture, leaving 6 billion if you take out one fourth of those in the first series of one third of those remaining in the second series. That means that by the middle of the tribulation. One half of humanity unthinkable you and I participated in the filming of Billy Cohen's series on the seals and you're right.

The seals are unthinkable and all my goodness, himself, it if he didn't exactly to an end, no one would survive exactly a new metric escape is always: escape well, you're just escape as you don't want to place the antichrist wrecked that what Michael Brown is saying about these people escape a suitable replacement Antichrist will that I don't place me, of course not. But not afraid of the antichrist because I'm not going to patient I'm looking for Jesus, not antichrist. And furthermore, Jesus himself said in Luke 2136 speaking of the signs of the end times. He said when you see all these things begin to happen.

Look up watchful for your redemption is drawing near and he should pray that you can escape the split. Jesus told us to pray that we can escape this biblical be an escapist escape was anemic with escapist lot was escapist and I want to visit just a moment so sweet to have some prophecy conference is coming up that we want you to be aware of remembering we are now offering tickets for our event. September 21 and that's just outside Minneapolis, Minnesota and look we sold. I think 1300 tickets in about a day and 1/2. Don't wait till the last minute.

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This year the July around both think our theme this year is going to be concerning the defending of the plate were going to help your wonderful colleague Eric Barnes on it you were going to help him. Eric Barger is one of our speakers will be speaking about the apostasy of the church and were going to have a speaker preventing creation while notably defending the second coming of Jesus, which is coming under increasing attack one sent me a picture the other day, Jan of the board somewhere on the work was that the us put up and it said Jesus coming soon? Are you tired of waiting.

Is that ridiculous new thousand years come to rapture party on May 21 atheist retro port. While this is the kind of stuff that's going on but we've got a stellar group of speakers scheduled will startle a Friday evening with a concert by Marty Gipson. Then our keynote speaker this year is Kelly Shackelford who is head of the largest law firm in the United States that devoted entirely to the defense of Christian liberties and is going to give us an update on the attack on Christianity in the military, and education in the public arena and so forth.

And then all day Saturday will have a great variety of speakers you speak into the right yes I have spackled the divinity of Jesus, which is under increasing attack and how do folks get tickets for your event were just going open up the door to let people come and have become drug website richer. You got a register@landline.com that's right landline.com don't forget to do that soaks you have made a couple of statements and I find them intriguing because you have said that Teaneck was taken out of the world in a rapture, but no one represents Israel who goes through the trial of the flood, but is saved. Many are saying no is a type of the rapture and I found your analysis to be extremely interesting that no one represents Israel. He goes through it. He saved it just as Israel will be yes. I believe that it was a Gentile attentively, but the eunuch being taken out world before the flood was a type of the rapture of the church and that Noah and his family as a type of the Jewish remnant that God is going to preserve through the tribulation. That to me is sort of symbolic of the promise of the rapture. But let's talk about some who actually were rapture and Elijah. Please get two witnesses. Oh yes, the concept of a rapture is not something that is just out of the blue skies of the play will whoever heard of a rapture welder.

There's a lot of rapture to the Bible. People don't understand that there were so many in fact, I think of my book, I list a total of eight rapture's we know about that are mentioned in the Scriptures eunuch the course of being the first one to be taken out. But there are others as well. For example, in addition to eunuch. We help the prophet Elijah, who was taken out a course most people were about one third what is one that most people are not aware of and that was the horizontal rapture Ezekiel is taken from Babylonian captivity back to Jerusalem to see some things and then another one is the message of Jesus.

Of course it was Philip who have a horizontal left horizontal and then another one is apostle Paul said he was called up to heaven. The apostle John was called up to heaven.

Two witnesses are going to be called up to heaven, so the concept of a rapture is not something that's just very billable. By the way through the Scriptures play one more click here and happens to be is a late grant Jeffrey talking about the very things were talking about real short clip we find in first Thessalonians 219 a wonderful phrase in which Paul writes for what is our hope, or joy, or crown of rejoicing are not even ye in the presence of our Lord Jesus Christ at his coming.

Paul says the rapture resurrection is our joy. He says it's our rejoicing is our hope is our crown of rejoicing. So do you rejoice in the hope of the resurrection.

You should because while all the other generations of Christians died in faith without having participated in the rapture before their death. They will ultimately participate in the rapture when you hire rapture.

But for those of us living. We have the promise that if we are alive when Christ comes will not have to pass through the portals of death but will pass from life to life eternal and that is worth celebrating folks and that is why were talking about it now for two weeks. Yes, after two weeks talking about this topic of the imminent return of the Lord Jesus Christ. Because there are signs that indicate that indeed it could happen. Perhaps today she just joined me. You're listening to understanding the times radio and Jan market on I have on the line. Dr. Dave Ragan from Dallas lamb line ministries llama and.com llama and.com. Be sure to check out his weekly TV Christ in prophecy on all of the world.

That said, the beauty of Christian television is the outreach that it offers. And David, I'm so glad in your book and were carrying it again.

The rapture factor fiction's in my store. Give us a call so glad you included in your book because not everyone dies and that he is the example of the Jewish wedding and I said earlier that the key to the latter days started in 1948, but their history goes back millennia Jewish people. Tribulation is for the salvation of the Jewish nation but Jewish wedding makes the pretrip rapture so obvious already heard the outline it in quite a bit of detail in the book about the trouble with very different from our being in today's labor considered married. From the moment of trouble and then there's a waiting period to make sure that the bride is clean and that while the bridegroom builds the house for them to live in. In the course. Jesus peters betrothed himself to the church where the waiting. Now where he is building the mentions he said that for us and then comes the fetching of the bride which always is a surprise. It usually comes in the middle the night of the bridegroom comes with his friends. Would like more trumpet in the blood have to be ready at any time, so she's got that risk) rated jump into a get going and then the union occurs. I go back to the room that the bridegroom has been working all and they consummate the marriage there were over a period of seven days, like the seven years of the tribulation and that they can think about and celebrate their marriage with all their friends just as were going to celebrate our union with the Lord Jesus Christ of the greatest fees. The cosmos is overseen called the marriage feast below and so gives every aspect of the Jewish wedding process is pictured in the rapture itself. This is so important house. I think it seals the deal to the on the second David point number seven in your book. Is there any mention of the rapture in the Old Testament talk to me, is there in the Old Testament there are not any specific references to the rapture because the rapture this comes as a great surprise to many people.

The rapture is a promise to the church of the church only is Jesus the bridegroom coming for his bride Old Testament saints are going to be resurrected were told in Daniel chapter 12 there going to be resurrected at the end of the tribulation.

However, there are verses in the Old Testament that hit at the concept of a rapture and I have those listed in my book they hit if the concept itself, not specifically things going to be the rapture of the church because the church is a mystery. In the Old Testament, but there are certainly passages that hit at this, for example, the one in Isaiah 26 verse 20, people enter into your rooms enclosure doors behind you hard for little while until the indignation runs its course. For behold, the Lord is about to come out from his place to punish the inhabitants of the earth for their iniquity forms up about two before the day of the Lord's anger comfortable you seek the Lord, all you humble of the earth to have carried out his ordinances. Seek righteousness, seek humility and perhaps you will be in the day of the Lord's anger.

These are certainly concepts of the rapture that are contained in the Old Testament without specific prophecy up to couple the verses actually three then I get a lot of questions on does have an answer. It's actually kind of an easy answer would be. Second Thessalonians 2133. Let me read about the man of lawlessness.

Second Thessalonians to one through three. I want to explain it sucks because it's confusing people because you don't really understand how it moves from, one major topic to another moment in time. Actually, it says now we request you, brethren with regard to the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ and our gathering together unto him that you not be quickly shaken from your composure or be disturbed either by spirit or a message or a letter, as if from us to the effect that the day of the Lord has come. Let no one in any way deceive you, for it will not come unless the apostasy comes first, and the man of lawlessness is revealed, the son of destruction, okay David new address this. Let's unpack this for a moment. Well, it's very important to note this is basically the only scriptural argument that people relate about the rapture, the pretrip rapture. In particular, but the interesting thing here. Jan is but normally almost always when they bring up this argument, they will put down verse one and verse three in the first two the relationship first of the work that we like this that we request your brethren with regard become in our Lord Jesus Christ and our gathering to him. Let no one in any way deceive point will not come till the apostasy comes and the man of lawlessness is revealed to officially were going to be here with the man of lawlessness is rebuilt, but if not referring to that. It's referring to verse to work. Talked about the day of the Lord first one talks about the rapture verse two talks about the second coming of Jesus. The day of the Lord is usually used in the Scriptures to refer to the tribulation.

Plus, the millennium and he saying here. Somebody has told you of Paul's letter for me that the day of the Lord is come. This is a strong argument in behalf of the pretrip rapture because what happened here is that while Paul was with these folks. He talked about the rapture. If somebody sent them a letter said that they Lord is come. They had been taught that they would be here with a bit of a o the riding ball of flame height. Did we miss the thing though you have Mr. rapture the day of the Lord has them, but when it does come the day of the Lord comes, you're not going to be here and if not come until the apostasy comes in the mail of lawlessness is revealed in the one of those things that happen so you have not missed the reps but I think we have to clarify that when folks read about the day of the Lord. That is not now that is not the rapture it's later it's far later. Note that your exactly what it is. Later in his reference to that day will not come is not referring to know gathering in verse one is referring to the day of the Lord in verse two the day of the Lord. That's generally the tribulation folks so it jumps in time to verses in the Bible jump in time, so a second Thessalonians 2133 jumps in time. It starts with the rapture but then it moves on to the tribulation and on further so passages absolutely prove that he taught them that the rapture would occur before the day of the Lord, and I felt that somebody wrote them a letter to the voyeurism available or they felt that Mr. rapture David Ragan talks about this and much more. In this about 100 page book that were carrying in my store. The rapture factor fiction actually were selling it for $10 if you want to order it, then by mail at six dollars shipping. You can just order by mail. If you'd like to $10 +6 shipping that's in the US only. If you're out of the country. Please get it on our website so that shipping can be calculated.

Olive tree's used.org olive tree's.org it's just 100 pages and again easy to understand. He's in a hand to someone who admitted chest little new at some of this and you don't want them to get real bog down in something oh so deeply theological that they'll just close the book and walk away. They won't from this particular book. They won't do that.

And that's the beauty of it. David quickly the rapture in the book of Revelation.

You and I know Revelation 310 is the classic verse. The first three chapters to the church. Then he says in Revelation 310.

You can escape the wrath to come.

Isn't that referring to the tribulation or moon. We have not have a situation yet where the wrath is come upon the whole world talks about their own relation three and it indicates that when that occurs in a comfortable whole world that there were little beer relation greatly upgraded sleep then what about the rest of the book of Revelation office of the church turns up at the end of Revelation. But in between all these verses, abets the saints in the book of Revelation. Those are as believers coming to say that write the book of Revelation.

The structure of it implies a pre-privilege rapture cult. The first three chapters focus entirely on the church.

Chapter 4 John is taken up into heaven. I like is a symbol of the rapture and the church is not again until the very last chapter of Revelation slave remitted, but those would be people who work the elect. They are the ones who are saved during the tribulation is a very a lot of people to absolutely you will be killed, but some will be up to the end David on down to couple of minutes wanted to wrap it up. Okay whatever is on your heart. It's all yours things that thought about. One is that this book is designed for both the ends of the spectrum is designed for those who know little or nothing about the rapture and it's designed also put the other end of the spectrum for those who know a whole lot able to teach it and is designed to be a teachable book that you could get impeached. People also want to read a statement that in the book on page 103 ended with this quotation. This is but an Graham blocks the daughter of Billy Graham and head of Angel ministries see fit. The Bible's lives, but believers of the last generation will not experience physical bill will be caught up in what is called the rapture the symmetrical way to meet Jesus in the air and be reunited with loved ones who have died in Christ and the gullible force will be the trip of a lifetime trip that is out of this world are you ready let's hope so. That's an Graham lots and any person who is listening. Who does not know Jesus as their Lord and Savior. This is the day for salvation. The Lord has extended your life so that you can reach out in faith and receive Jesus as your Lord and Savior. You do that you are a candidate for the rapture. You will not be left you will be taken with the Lord.

So why would you turn your back on such a glorious problem. Why would you folks nobody's guaranteed it tomorrow. How many stories have we heard somebody going about life unexpectedly and suddenly everything changes in the David Ragan just concluded with is so important.

Money just a lot of the present daybreak, and by the way, thank you for giving up an hour to do our programming today. Appreciate all you do again.

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