Elizabeth Banks - Backup Plans and Improv

Just getting started deep into my own Rolodex to everyone because let's face it, you gotta make your life easy and I feel like I want to hear stories of people that I want to hear from selfishly is my podcast and I get to choose right so I went and asked my friends but they because she is a fellow mass hole is Jesus. I feel like we are a very specific breed. Yes wrong am III was that I was in a week recently and some is I care you for messages like it was Dennis Lane who is famously for messages of and I was like yeah and we instant connection I've never met this person the day in my life. It was like instantaneous that we both knew your muscles people from Massachusetts just know that somebody else's amounts owed.

We had like a tattoo on her for head. Is it the beanie with the Palm, what is it now I think you know what I think it is mostly a working class town like the whole state and I think anybody makes it out is like hey you can you even in Massachusetts, but I think people who make it out there doing something in the world. I just think other people for messages I can you believe it, like as we mostly everybody's people don't believe whole female llamas are to get my mom got out my mom went to New York to be with me that a problem with California that worked out well but I just think it's funny.

There's something about that Massachusetts mentality that really shapes you as you get older I feel that the older I get, the more New England I become widely think that was to me it means my values are very centered and very straightforward. I am less attracted to flash and circumstance and pump and all that will pomp and circumstance than I was when I was younger and I just feel like it's a stalwart sensibility. Yeah, I think.

I think it's like the pilgrims work ethic.

Do you really take a lot to cross an ocean.

There is rebelliousness and it obviously because we had to do it. Then once once people got here pillage the land and killed a lot of picture of post-genocide. I do want to recognize that the weather is a really strong you don't think that the pilgrims and the Indians got.

I don't think they should have a lot of hands now rather rock was like it's not cool. I'm really glad I can know I think about how our kids to Lexington and Concorde summer we were back home after camp and it was forgotten how fun it is to go through that they were board for a fair amount of texture I thought was fantastic only to.

I also love like Hancock Shaker Village or Sturbridge where he visited like were getting local for the national listeners. You have no idea what you're talking about. So you do if you can learn a lot of American history, and a lot of towns must and one those are some that you have been talking about the Revolutionary war was begun. There is some really cool one if by land to face the kid from Pittsfield get to become a Hollywood superstar had this happens I think it's I would think at the end of the day. I remember you know that even throughout my career. I'm just a kid from South Dartmouth, Massachusetts, right south them. Massachusetts and a lot of people from South Dartmouth stands out them. The question is how did that happen and we can talk with us for the next you know five hours straight but get from Pittsfield, Massachusetts become an internationally acclaimed director and celebrity and actor, etc. you know, yes. Also, self-made millionaire, I do like I said I started to say that because I feel like people, especially women, forget that part and I know that term is also problematic. We have a lot of problematic terms podcast a lot.

It would be called erotic matter like so you know I I don't know.

I don't know if it's if it's something you're born with word that you learn, but I had a really strong sense, one that I wanted. I had city blood. You know I did was not like my town was not big enough for me and I don't know what that is. I just think you know it inside of yourself that there is something else out there for you. I grew up in a in Pittsfield, Massachusetts, is a small town.

I think there's about 30,000 people in it. Now, actually.

So it's not that small town. There are smaller towns around. It's actually the hub of Western Massachusetts. But it was a General Electric factory town. My father worked in the factory and I just knew I wanted something bigger, better, and I grew up going to cities. I grew up going to New York and going to Boston and going to Montréal and Cleveland in Chicago and so I knew what cities were and that was for me. That was a lie for me once I saw it. That's what I wanted and and I just sent my time and school knowing that if I did well in school and got my ticket out. I really believe in education. For that reason, for most people it is can be.

It is a pathway to something else in life and that's what I went to Penn in Philadelphia. I met a great guy. He still my husband were sitting in the house that we own together that helps.

Choosing a good partner really helps. I think people maybe overlook how important that life choices and ice and it really is a choice to what people are like why I fell in love and then we did like this is I'm talking like deep leg see your future with someone plan things together.

Kind of a person in your life and I think when you find that person. That's really helpful. There is a hottie making seven so that's why self-made is problematic because of course I do really loving great supportive family and I had a really loving great supportive boyfriend to then became a husband but the dreams were mind.

The work was mine.

The determination and resilience that was all mine and and I happily on those things about myself when you were a kid and you are in Pittsfield detect that education. What were you interested in back then that you think help field your dreams. I had no idea you know it's interesting, I just knew that the people I looked up to. I had an uncle who went to Harvard Law school is my godfather. My mother's only brother I'm from a humongous family so my dad is from eight kids my moms from seventh Avenue a lot of aunts and uncles and in my mother's family. My uncle who is the greatest guy so there's this is, no, no Jalan him but you he got the family resources, as amended.

Back in those days and so he is, he became a lawyer and he was he's a lovely person, humanitarian, etc. and I really looked up to him because I really felt that was. He got out he was the ticket and I don't mind saying like I wanted money. I did not want to struggle as an adult I watched my parents make those decisions about like the car payment. The food, the hot water and that was of no interest to me.

I knew that I wanted to be independent of anyone else.

I want to make my own money and I I was a hustler.

I started working out 12 years old and I've never not what was your first job.

My first job was working after school I was the game room coordinator at the Catholic youth center and I worked on Saturdays, helping to run the basketball league and serving coffee down the parents in collecting dues so I my Saturdays were like get up at 7 AM usually walk a mile and 1/2 to the Catholic youth center where they had about slowly where I was also in the cheerleading league and I was a shooting coach in that league and I basically as like 1/5 and sixth grader babysat like younger kids after school in the game room and then started working I started working as a waitress when I was 15 I worked as a waitress for 10 years. I also did catering work were you a really good laser.

Not a very yeah like a good balance, good hand eye coronation. Good memorization comes in handy in my other job acting and yet so I was that I was that weirdo who was like I got it I don't have to write anything down and people like maybe you need to read sound like I got your order is not that complicated. This isn't brain surgery to treat me like a moron. But people don't order like it Los Angeles, Massachusetts, at least amended to spend like the sautéed onions on the side.

Literally, I was like yes it was not a big deal.

I also though was the fastest folder of pizza boxes at the pizza restaurant that they worked to really develop your skills generally to the Oregon when you are panel dispersed.

How where was it probably was it for you to go to an Ivy League school from your small town. It's Moses, an anomaly in my family. I there other people in my small town my my best friend went an Ivy League school of my best friends from high school and that you know honestly Penn was wasn't so much that it was an Ivy League. I want to go to school in the city. I didn't want that city to be Boston to close for me. Agreed and so it was kind of like chic. I was looking Chicago and DC and honestly I just drove through Philly one day on the way up the East Coast like we should check this place out, and then I fell in love with it and I applied early decision how much acting you do there.

I did it but recreationally it was my extracurricular activity is not a game plan for a career.

I didn't know any artists growing up. Despite being from Western messages which is filled with artists that wasn't my scene growing up and so I didn't know anybody who was an artist that wasn't actually just a waitress or waiter and it didn't seem like a career path that had the stability I was looking at home and so I didn't really I was not pursuing it and then kind of fell in with a group of fellow actors at Penn, who all really wanted to be actors and wanted to go to programs and were pineal drums school in Julliard and things like that. And honestly I applied kind of a whim, I thought like if this door opens all walk through it, but otherwise I was looking for corporate jobs in New York City. After school I have no idea probably is.

I was really didn't being like the like. Diane Sawyer even though I love acting. It just did not feel safe to me and I wanted a sense of security and then I ended up getting into. I had an amazing I went to New York City on my birthday when I was 22 years old I turned 22 that day, February 10 and I visited my sorority sister who was living there was older than me. I say to her place and I auditioned for ACT in San Francisco. The American Conservatory theater for their MFA program and I went to the edge and I was having the greatest at you New York is just one of those beautiful days. It was Chris but it wasn't too cold and sunny and I just loved the city and I felt so energized being there and I walked into this addition which was in a room at NYU. I'd never been and why you and I fell in when he was cool on I met people in Washington Sq., Park that morning who were cool and I just I kind of saw my whole life all of a sudden like to be an artist in this workout and I went to the addition with literally nothing but like c'est la vie confidence like let's see what happens and I showed up early.

They were eating their lunch. So I ended up kind of sitting and talking with the program director Melissa, who since passed away last year and and state got on. We just got along. And then I did my addition very, through the way, which is what they tell you to always do, never want it. Too bad I didn't want anything that day but just for the day like never such a good day and I got was that experience like going to school for custody when I can imagine what it would be like going to school to study crack like that. I never went to school for journalism and we went for history and art history. I was wondered what it was like for people who went to go study abroad.I was lucky I got to practice in the field. Yes, what was it like to study acting while the great thing about any of those programs and just being young and you know it's true also of like going to Williamstown Theatre Festival or doing any summer soccer anything like that is when you're young and idealistic and naïve.

The best because you don't know what's not possible you only think about what is possible and you get to dream a lot there and so you get to tell stories that you don't actually get to tell in real life you now and I played pock in a Midsummer nights dream. For instance, and it was really and I was really physical in the role and usually fine and so you get to do things that you just you stretch yourself and you talk about storytelling and you immerse yourself in stories that you just never in your professional life really ever going to get to do again. Honestly, I mean it becomes experimental right it becomes like you can do it, but I needed to make money doing so well you are doing. I worked, I was a waitress. I worked I worked in an insurance company. You know I'm not a person I never went on a spring break. I never went on a vacation. I never I worked constantly so I'd I didn't really socialize in might my 20s were like. I would work until midnight and then go to day and dance until 3 AM and then sleep all weekend and go back to keep going. Vampire basically 20s were you in love with the acting by then had you figured out that this was going to be once I got into the pool, so I went to that same uncle. My uncle Rick, the lawyer and I said my God I got into drama school I can. I have these huge loans, student loans and I don't know. I mean, what am I doing am I gonna take on me know.

Three more years of loans for Masters of fine arts and thing like what am I doing this is not a game plan and my uncle reminded me like you just got an Ivy League degree.

You're totally employable. Like follow the stream now because I don't think it can happen again and he was right is like go now and if it doesn't work out, go get a job. The difference, and I've had that that energy of what's the worst that can happen. I can always go I can always drive a bus does raise myself as I got a special class life. I don't will have it to guide you did also have I used to drive this big but this like sprinter van for caterer II was the driver for the catering company that made extra money and you work longer because he had to go pick up the van from the special place in my go pick up everybody was indicator and then bring the van back at the end of the night. By the way, is a young woman in West Philadelphia. I'm dropping off a sprinter van at 2 AM after a wedding, but I may lay under 18 extra dollars and I took every penny that I could find that you or any person keep you drawing all day Dublin plus your drawing spray goes on instantly drive through Clearfield and offered 48 hours. What an order protection 48 hours of sweat. In order protection and don't even think about it. Also Dublin.

Drawing spray contains doves unique one quarter moisturizing cream that helps protect your skin Dublin plus care draws break goes on dry clean fuel student loans and am glad you brought that up part of the regular right now is totally about whether or not people will get forgiven for their loans. How much of a saddle was that for you. How much of a bird. Was it knowing that you had those loans piling up.

Well, this is my point is I do think it affects everyone's decision-making. I mean I really struggled that decision about whether the school and that that is what led me to my career going to school. I didn't know how I mean maybe I could've gone to New York and figured out how to let go through backstage magazine and go to an audition. I don't know but I didn't know how to buy new how to be us didn't.

I didn't know how to be an actor yet and I really needed that transition into grad school to figure that out, and also God's will for me was partially just a way to again secure the safety net. I just always had Safetynet IV education was just a safety net MFA was a safety net. It was like okay so if if things are pursuing don't work out you got backup plans galore.

You've got BC and D you can go be a teacher you can be a professor. You can do but so is always about like making sure that I wasn't have to hustle forever.

I say unlike the bit I'm never busy or mellowed by the I think I just like being busy but I like having a backup plans.

I do think that student loans are absolutely a burden that I'd love to see forgiven him in.

I'd love to see higher education become more affordable for everybody how to do it.

It's a big deal but if I could wave a magic wand Executive Order. I would mean Executive Order in so many ways. But that's a hold podcast Acme Executive Order in my contacts.

Now that your letters or whatever the yeah the other was it just it really doesn't of course is the burden in the Senate and affects people's decision-making and you know and I had the best case scenario again.

I have a supportive family that didn't have any money to get me but I you know I was. I could live with other people.

I mean I've lived frugally I would live in closet like literally I had a bed in the closet in college so I knew how to make a dent a dollar go really far, but even so I didn't want to work at McKinsey and Company. However, I was can end up being employed in order to pay off my you know, thousands and thousands of dollars in that it end up being crest commercial melons really was your first job was that out but it was early on your first was my first my first while I worked in a lot of commercials. So my first mate might my very first ashes I became a catalog model for petite sophisticate get about me and I loved that job so much fun and I met great people on so friends and some people I met.

The site became a catalog model really early on in York I went to a lot of commercial additions that which is a great way to lose your dignity very fast and you learn really quickly like oh this is this is what this is what Hollywood's Ira Burgoyne. As you and they were like oh this is in a bikini to bring a bikini house like now like to take off your clothes will this photograph you in your underwear using this Polaroid camera and horrible lighting in that photo is out there somewhere, and I was like, because you said yes to everything you know and I and I to get the job I was so draw. Anyway, those are the yeah remember auditioning for a Wisconsin cheese commercial and it was like our eight year and pretend you're riding a bike you nursing. They are put in your riding a bike like a cane or looking around and have a great day smile & you know, looking like and him and then note you see like a little boy and he is on a tricycle and you see a dog and then you see like a dancing wheel of cheese and think I'm sorry what gathers like a dancing wheel of cheese amid the cash register. So over the like, okay, go back your on the bike you're smiling, there's dancing wheel of cheese like what the big deal if one react. I this was my question.

Apparently not the way I did, because I did not get that job seems get by without rest. The big payoff. The cries of the big one yeah so I did a bunch of really good national commercials back on and cross was my mind, the one that may be the most cash and I paid off a lot of loans that crest commercial kid start figuring out auditions. How does that work were as you start auditioning after crest afternoon. While it is not you have mean like I tell you, you can you can do the like do things and Sandra, it's all about getting an agent. I mean, I got an agent from school you know we do is showcase all the programs he showcases the New York commission case and I got an agent. I actually got a contract to be on a soap opera for two years as Wildwood had to leave school early, not graduate. My class and moved to New York overnight, and I remember calling my mom and saying, I'm not doing it and I burst into tears because that would've paid off all my student loans, but is my first day in New York and I thought if I can get a two-year contract on the soap opera on day one in New York City. What can I do tomorrow and that's how I approach most things and what was it was either it's one A1, so is either as the world turned poker will with the other when they begin began with an essay anyway.

I didn't take it to her $50,000 contract.

Well, yeah, a lot of money, because the most when I had ever heard of my life at that point I want to reiterate that because I think that for people who watch this and they are trying to figure out their own way.

The fact he wouldn't just take the first offer that seemed easy and there I think is incredibly telling says that wasn't my dream and I was like I had worked. I'd invested too much in figuring out what my dream was and what my life was meant to look like and that was in it and I just knew in the moment that I needed to stand the path that I believed in and that was an immediate would've been amazing detour probably, but it just wasn't what I wanted and by the way, I didn't sonic I got a great job. A minute later, I didn't but I did work pretty consistently.

After that offer mostly in commercials and prioritizing graduation as well. Sounds right. I really want to finish out my education. I did 20 fees. I just think it. Many people tend to write actor's office so they didn't even go to high school only to even go to college in your life, especially having branched out into business, and directing what have you that you have not only a degree to lean back on and also to show people I think. I mean, I know from my own experience, Phil Jackson, saying to me one day after snow is doing a series of interviews with Cobian with him when I was most of the Lakers you know he he would look at you certain way and you write you off because you are a woman a lot of the time and at one point he had a book in my bag yes to a book I was reading a toke told what to do. That ecologist said to Columbia, where did you go fill. We had a different relationship from the women in business enacting broadcasts in what ever you're doing is I really don't get matters yet have the education that if somebody is to challenge you yeah you can challenge them right back. It kind of sets the table for the relationship you have with them.

I do think it's unfortunately that's the case, do not admit I made incredible people who are not formally educated, but who are interested in the world around them. That's what I care I care about curious people care about people who are, you know who take notice to our who do you read who read our who are well read, or who are you. I know people that all the better.

So knowledgeable just about like Hollywood in history and whatever it is just you know it's I just want somebody I just enjoy people.

I think we all do who are interested in the world around them who are curious, you can sort of talk talk deeply about anything but just to split an atom you notice what you want to tell me you're going to the moon, but I do think there's something about people who put in the work and that's what college or any of that formal education makes you do right. It's about learning how to think and question research.

In all this time and it does take hard work to get through it so I think that's what it is like tells people that like I competed and I one email that's what it is. What was your first bona fide acting role in a movie and show you know really well. My very first TV show I was. I did a reenactment on America's most wanted of a gruesome murder and I was the victim and I was run over by a car and I I actually did the stunt on the day so I'm safely looking back on being a nosy professional issues that probably like an actress that I wet back then and the worst part about that. So I had to go, I shot it like outside Baltimore something they shot America's most wanted and I was living in Philadelphia I went Baltimore and I went to take like a Greyhound bus back up to school and I missed the bus and I ended up kind of staying in a bus depot in Baltimore again. I was like 20 Years Old Hwy. 98 pounds and I remember asking the part that you are there closed the deed there like kicking everybody out and it was like me and some you know on how people getting kicked out onto the street at midnight and I recalling my mom from a payphone back then, and saying I need your credit card and I have to go stay at a motel or something until the bus comes in the morning and she she was like I want you to go run there and then call me when you get there and it was like you know the Motel 6 I mean it was it was dark it was it was it was not a happy moment in my life actually know.

I can imagine running throughout downtown Baltimore midnight was alone. Baltimore is the wires that make them so history behind it was just unfamiliar to me.

I'm sure Baltimore is a lovely place but for a young woman at midnight in the debt.

In the darkness of the bus depot was this segment is sponsored by Dell technologies small business virtual pod for starting on May 10. Whether you're still working remotely or back together again. Let Dell technologies help safeguard your business with modern devices and Windows 11 Pro in the continuing theme of looking for confidence in finding your confidence in finding your stride headed you then start landing roles that started putting together the claim that you've developed for the lesson everyone feels everyone has imposter syndrome for you. Just depends how long you have that mean I really think most people get to work when they're young and they could get on with how they're doing. I certainly felt that way. I was very insecure. You know, in a lot of things at the same time. I remember going to the set of catch me if you can, which is directed by Steve Tom Amy Adams is not merely with me were still friends. This day it was like I remember being onset like hanging out with the legend and and I nobody could II had won the one that role I had you know I was there for a reason.

Steven Spielberg picked me and that gave me a time of confidence and that he picked you. I don't know what you think it was about you that made you stand out. This town is filled with beautiful blonde girls that he was about you. I remember that addition. I remember what I did in that addition and I I'm very good at improv and I improv the end of that sequence. I remember I danced and I also remember Deb Zane was the casting director. I still work with her and she she was filming it and I did like a dancelike looking I'm attended I'm with Leonardo DiCaprio, which was not hard by the way, pretend your that Leonardo DiCaprio sweeping you off your feet and I was like one literally to be slapped of my feeds. I like dancelike well off camera basically and I remember she played it back for me because she was like visually. This is interesting and it was set and that was a really good lesson.

It was like make something, you know, if you just sit on camera on you, dear lines you know when that's not as visually like they're going to see 100 tapes or 100 girls. How do you make yourself interesting in the frame is a good lesson for director to and she was like you just did it and eat of the other thing was 100 people addition but I now have been on the other side of it. There's maybe four maybe five people that you're going to feel are even in the running for like what you're really looking for and I think for that particular job.

There was just surreal and effervescence and energy and I'm you know I made money on this crescent smile and that's what I brought to that moment was just effervescence. I just feel like this characters just love life and be super excited by this handsome boy I was that addition and I remember really why I don't remember most additions remember that one. There's something about that kind of fresh, all-American look.

It's always been so appealing to and that you had a for the Chris commercial is good Dell. I am very I am very all-American that I forget this though.

The other thing is I read the script for catch me if you can, and I do believe in this I wrote down. I wrote down.

I want to be in catch me if you can, and I put it on my refrigerator and so I just say that because I do think there is something to like setting intentions and real goals and angles that are makeable like there were like six female roles in that movie and there were very few scripts around at the time where there was like that much to do for women and girls in like big studio Hollywood films with big actors in them and I just remember writing down like I want to be in country's who's been your favorite on some to work with. I remember you for the first time from 40-year-old Virgin, so I wonder if that would've been something that would've occurred to you and 40 overage and was like a reset for me. You know I actually semi-very first ensemble was wet American summer and I had the most amazing time making that movie was.

It was an interesting time but I was really looking back I mean it was so fun that everyone was, I was I'd never I didn't live in New York really that long.

At that point and I was not in the scene yet and all of those guys were immersed in the theater and comedy scene in New York and you know the state was such a cool institution.

In that moment in time as this young people getting to do with their really good at and that was really fun to be a part of who is the actor that stuck out to you the most that you discuss. Can you become a huge star.

We made a lot of fun up all right at the time he he he he he was. He got he was either on the cover or in interview magazine which was like everything back and you know he had done. He he wasn't clueless he been clueless and so we were like this guy is making you now and I remember I think he was leaving ours that to go make like an like an action movie in Hong Kong are submitting forever. We were all like Paul Rudd is gonna be a huge star you know and you sure we were we were with you know Molly Shannon Janine Grau flow David Hyde Pierce, who was on Frazier was a huge star in his own right.

They were part of our ensemble and so we looked up. That's who we looked up to Janine Grau flow and and Chris Maloney like these were working actors and none of us were working actors yet so we were always excited to actual working actors had showed up to play alongside of us have that Steve Carell will be in heaven working with that hole and some for 40-year-old Virgin or young actor being a part of that.

What was that like so I had done what hot and then I'd made a lot of drama subs and Seabiscuit catch me if you can, for instance, I may just be the heights this merchant. I re-film and so doing out I was a I think I was the last person to audition for the role of Beth and 40 overage and and they were having a hard time finding the person is my recollection and I went and auditioned and it was like going back to comedy do know is like the reset of my career. Like oh you think I was getting roles that like Jennifer Connolly you know and like Elizabeth Banks were up for this role and I we are not similar.

In actuality, and so what was really fun about doing that was just the freedom we have gives a lot of improv. I love meeting the whole gang mean, I love working with staff and Paul rightly knows like right back with the with the… It was familiar to me in a way that I had worked on something that felt that familiar in a long time and I feel really at home doing comedy that way just being allowed to run free and make an total ass of yourself. You prefer comedy to drama. Now I don't have a preference. Actually, I prefer just really good storytelling.

I'm a more what's the word I'm looking for I am.

I'm a little more slick and I have no language skills in this moment in time, can you tell comfortable chameleon. Now I it's it's it's about choices. I choose, sometimes choosing to do comedy is really a life choice.

It's about like this will be fun and sometimes it does. This is a really good story. You know it's honestly it's hard Dürer. There are there better roles for women in dramas if I'm being honest that's at least that's what I've been seeing lately.

It's very hard to find, many people are start making companies right now so depressing all I want is a really good wrong. I now want.

I love them to rub on them. I don't need another miserable zombie apocalypse. I just want to see a really handsome boy sitting in front of a really beautiful girl, asking him to write that I want people who complete each other. I just want to break so before I will see your fans would probably freak out. I didn't ask you about hunger games of I would love to know about auditioning for that and in getting and being no workers paid on time so give me a sense of being in that world and what you took from what I love the book limit is say this I read the book really early on in the production company with my husband and we looked at the rights of book and of course Nina Jacobson had snatched them up, but we were in the running. Also, for the maze Runner series and the disassembly and we end up. We have red Queen with our company now so I love why a I think is is has romance and it has action in it. I love the sort of I don't even mind the dystopia of all of those things I think. Thinking about read their all revolutionaries to an email like that's our best. She's a spiritless bring it full circle. I love that spirit and I those books and I connected that character of FD weirdly from reading I thought she was the representative from the capital and was your only in the book 1st book was really the only way enemy and you heard about the U kind of you knew that they were at putting on a television show called the hunger games but she was really you know she went to the district's chief pulled And peed out of there and became their mentor and then also she is the one who changes nobody else in the Nobody changed over the course of that first book except for Effie.

She was really affected by what Did and it made her rethink like everything and I thought that was a really interesting art to be able to play. I also knew Gary Ross because I had been in Seabiscuit and I knew is producing partners. I knew casting director. It was like I Riley I famously wrote a lot of letters back in the day. I think letterwriting is under it and and also again. It's like putting into the world what you want. I was like I want to be Effie in your movie. Gary what you think. And here's all the reasons why I like it and I know he was talking other bigger stars and I just, like, bided my time and then I went and we had a meeting in the house like to just do it. That translates to your directing because that that means I'm at and I know you rappers like guys but I know that directing obviously your controlling the dynamic of the movie set. Yes, that's true.

So as we as great as we finish up in your giving advice into moving forward, like how to directing pull everything together for you so that you felt like as a woman who wanted to control her own destiny.

You enjoying this process, you know, I II directed plays in college and drama school, so it was like I'd never thought about it before, but directing in Hollywood. You know is I was quite mean I am really I was like you know breaking through barriers as it was happening. Obviously there are actresses that came before me. Jodie Foster comes to mind Penny Marshall comes to mind who had directed so I had role models. Not a lot, and it really was about controlling note looking around going I want to have as many choices going forward as possible, and I felt like playing third banana you know was not that interesting in making pitch perfect as a producer and seeing how you can actually put like a group of diverse women's stories at the forefront of a big Hollywood movie and then making a franchise out of it. That was incredibly liberating and seemed really powerful is an idea and I just wanted to keep doing more of an inter 80 really cut came down to like while that's not something that occurs to most people, Hollywood. You don't see a lot of posters with 67 women on them and so if you want to make those stories.

I just felt like I had just do myself, and so here we are. We keep doing desk to come back for part two.

Of course I well yeah I will have barely got it is necessary because this is what happens. I just want to share with our audience much more, but how you develop your sense of business may put together production company how you look forward to what your building as you go forward with Max and on your own. What have you but I know you have to go to other things right now so I will say I think you you're welcome.

Yeah, I always have really good plans my life my life advice and my directing base have good plans have backups. Have your be you see lay it out do the work. Investigate get it all laid out and then be open to all the changes that actually happen as you're trying to put the plan into motion. Because life was us, I and that's fine too so that the improper part of it, then you gotta improv the answer to everybody is to go out there and take an improv class waitress. Not sure what it is all all of the skilled. I think tank is easy to reach your time so we will see you next week, and thanks for tuning in again