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Today we are to talk about protesting without a standard because there's a lot of people out there protesting right now without a standard and working to talk about how you can take a protest and turn it into an opportunity to present the gospel that's working to talk about today.

My name is Frank Zürich I filled in for Dr. Brown several times.

Our website is cross-examined.org that's cross-examined with a D on the end of it.organize corrodible called I don't have enough faith to be an atheist. Hopefully summary of heard of that, there's a new book, a relatively new couple years old, called stealing from God why atheists need God to make their case and to be dead talking a little bit about what's in that book today because it's so relevant to what's going on in our culture today. In fact, regardless of what you think about the results of the election. Now is the time for introspection and an opportunity to plant seeds for the gospel. He said how can that be well because the elections over infected. Just today or yesterday came out that these recounts that apparently were going to be done in Wisconsin, Michigan and Pennsylvania have been called off. At least one in Michigan as I thought I may have heard Wisconsin's been taken off the table as well.

Hillary Clinton would have to reverse all of those three states to win the presidency. So that's not can happen now, not the there was any doubt it would it would happen it and board there was any doubt would be overturned, is never to be overturned by recount, especially when people are trumpets up by more than 10,000 votes in Michigan more than I think, 40 or 50,000 in Pennsylvania and about 20 or so thousand in Wisconsin, so that's not to be overturned, but while the elections over the rejection is not over, people are protesting the election. They have been and in fact for several nights after the election, you know, there were protesters there may be still some out there and some major cities. Much of that funded by George Soros, by the way about Michael Moore and a few Michael Moore is he's a liberal movie maker.

He just tweeted earlier today or maybe yesterday. Actually, he says we. Here's his tweet, disrupt the inauguration.

The majority have spoken by nearly 2.7 million votes and counting. Silence is not an option.

He wants to disrupt the inauguration silence. Because you see Hillary Clinton. She won the popular vote according to Michael Moran and many others. And if you add it all up, she probably has won the popular vote, but that's like saying if you're in a football game that the other team had more yards but then their claim and they want even though you had more points cut me popular vote doesn't matter the reason, it doesn't matter is because our founders knew that if we elected people based purely on the popular vote, a it would be an opportunity for fraud much easier. Why, because you could swing the whole election by just taking over a few precincts and putting a lot of fraudulent votes through those precincts. If the popular vote determined who would win the presidency.

But if you've got separate elections. 50 separate elections across the day that the 50 different states. No one place can turn an election by skewing the popular vote. You have to skew several states in order to make that happen and that's much more difficult of the founders knew by at least that's one reason why the electoral college makes more sense than the popular vote. The second reason, of course, is that the smaller states would be completely ignored if it was a popular vote.

I mean how many times do you think Trumper Clinton would've gone to New Hampshire. If the popular vote was the was the situation well.

Moran's I hereby come back right after this ever to talk also about how to turn this all into an opportunity for the gospel and Frank Turk voted for the great Michael Moore. That's a short break.

Minute five minutes it got more time after the break don't go away to light a fire with your host Dr. Michael Brown line of fire now going 866-34-TRUTH your again is Dr. Michael Brown notes Dr. Frank a stop taken it that music down airpower to Jackson where was doing that, that's good music. He just couldn't bring it back on there you go today I start talking to the music of halfway decent use.

There you go on forcing a play for the next 12 minutes. Now otherwise this programs that go nowhere you listening to Frank Zürich for the great Dr. Michael Brown who is now in Turin, Italy. At the same Turin Italy where they have a shroud of Turin.

Apparently the supposed burial cloth of Christ. Anyway he's speaking over there speaking in Italian, probably not, but he's over there so you might want to pray for him is little bit tired on his return trip from Italy were talking today about how there's a lot of people out there protesting without a standard and Michael Moore is all upset and he wants to disrupt the inauguration protest the inauguration. Could you see Hillary Clinton won the popular vote. According to him as a saint before the break up. First of all Hillary Clinton wouldn't have won the popular vote. If the popular vote was the thing that determine the presidency because the campaigns would've done completely different things. Trumper spent no time in New Hampshire a little bit of time, maybe in Ohio a little bit of time in Norton North Caracol Carolina a lot more time in probably Florida, New York, California, that he did and things would've been different. But you don't play the game to win the popular vote, you play the game to win the electoral college and that's what Trump did just like you don't play the game to get yards in football you play the game to get more points if you're ahead in points. You may give up a lot of yards so that other team doesn't score quickly and get back in the game. That's not all the time but yards is not the definition or is not the measure by which you win the game, and neither is the popular vote. The measure by which you win the presidency. The campaigns are different and would be run differently if the popular vote, did get you the presidency know it's the electoral college and that's why you have to run a campaign that wins the look of the electoral college, not the popular votes. All this talk about protest because Hillary apparently won the popular vote is silly, and secondly, it's silly for another reason. Many of the people protesting have no standard by which to protest what I mean by that why they protesting. They obviously believe some great injustice has been done.

My question is this what injustice are they protesting and by what standard are they judging it unjust. You see, there's nothing to protest unless God exists. Is that what you mean about what was got up to do it because if there is no God your protesting without a standard PC in baseball, a pitch can't be a ball unless there's a defined strike zone. In football you can't be short of the goal line. Unless you actually have a defined goal line. In other words, something can't be unjust unless something is just get them some definition of justice and event definition of justice is just your personal opinion, it's not outside of you and authoritative standard outside of you, then you're really not protesting anything then somebody just not living up to your personal opinion, but we know that protesters are just say it's just my opinion that this injustice is wrong or is really an injustice they really think it's wrong that whatever there protesting there protesting because it's really wrong. So something can't be unjust unless something is just and real justice can exist unless God exists because by definition God's nature is what we mean by justice so there is nothing wrong unless God exists and there's nothing really to protest, not in an objective way unless God exists because he's the standard of justice by which any injustice we could no.

We can only know injustice. If God existed, and the only reason were protesting apparently is because we think there's been an injustice that it was an article 2 days after the election. I don't know if if a Dr. Brown covered this at all, but was an excellent article by somebody in the press. His name was Will Ron of CBS News was from November 10, though, about a month ago now and it was a commentary and the title of it was the on bearable smugness of the press and it basically talks about how the press was behind Hillary Clinton completely and he was really calling out his own colleagues about how unfair they were during the selection. And at one point in this article he says this. It's a profound failure of empathy in the service of endless posturing, but much of that starts with the assumption that Trumper voters are backward and that it's our duty, meaning the press is writing as a reporter and it's our duty to catalog and ultimately reverse that backwardness. What can we do as the press to get these backward people to stop worshiping their false gods and accept our gospel unquote. I love the way put that what can we do to get these people to stop worshiping their false God and accept our gospel depresses gospel you see when the press protested. Basically that trumpet one or they were protesting when he was running they were protesting because they fulfilled in some way trumpet his positions were unjust and the people protesting today in the people wanting to protest at the inauguration are protesting at least they don't, they may not think this way but they are protesting because they think there's some injustice being done.

But as I just mentioned, there can be no real objective injustice unless there's a standard of justice, and there can't be an objective standard of justice unless God exists. Otherwise, everything is just reduced to human opinion, it's just my opinion against your opinion. Now the people protesting don't think it's just their opinion but they have no standard by which to object. No objective standard never just tuning in. Later John when you're listening to the line of fire, normally with Dr. Michael Brown, my name is Frank Turk. Our website cross-examined.org were talking today how about people are protesting without a standard. In other words, this guy will Ron who wrote that commentary believes that the journalist had a standard and that standard was the fact that maybe Donald Trump had violated some of it and some journalist may have said Hillary Clinton had violated some of it.

In fact, if you think about this. Both candidates were called names.

Names that related or accuse the candidate of being in just in some way. Here some of the words that were used of the candidates.

In fact, most of these used on trumpet.

Some of them on Clinton racist, elitist, homophobic, corrupt, unfair, hateful, backward, arrogant, Islamic phobic, vulgar, misogynistic, sexist, ignorant, bigoted nativist scandal plagued oligarch mean a person who blogs a small group of governor control country notice dispersants elitist.

In other words, flawed criminal.

These are all words you did is used to describe most of them about Clinton but some of them about the most about trumpet.

Some of them well. Clinton now, here's the way you can turn a discussion about politics into a opportunity to present the gospel cassettes were going to do here today. You don't even need to argue whether or not any of these words for charges ascribed to either Trump or Clinton are true for the sake of argument, if you're talking to somebody about this. Somebody says well trumps a racist or trumps backward or Trump supporters are backward or Hillary's a criminal or whatever it is doesn't matter whatever they say just say for the sake of argument, let me agree with you, but then asked them why is racism wrong. Why is Islam a phobia wrong. Why is bigotry wrong. Why is criminal activity wrong. Why is corruption wrong. Why is being an elitist wrong. Why is being a misogynistic person wrong. Why is being a homophobic person wrong.

Why is being an arrogant person. Whatever it is doesn't matter just agree with it. Okay, I get the angry okay you think that person's arrogant you think that person's race as you think that person is elitist, whatever is agree with it but then asked them why is that wrong by what standard are any of those things wrong, are such attitudes and behaviors really wrong or they just unfashionable are they just against your opinion, what really is. It if they say well it's that you're the really wrong, you might ask them what by what standard is it really wrong, just or painters or something outside you that really determines what is right and what is wrong and we just discovered that standard you see, we don't really determine right and wrong, we discover right and wrong because brightness is bound up in God's nature and any deviation from brightness is what we call evil or wrongness but that standard of rightness has to exist if it doesn't exist that nothing is ultimately right nothings ultimately wrong, everything is just a matter of opinion. So if you are protesting the election for your protesting anything you are assuming that God exists. More on this after the breaker listening to light a fire with Dr. Michael Brown, but my name is Dr. Frank Turk file for the great Dr. Michael Brown. Our website cross-examined.org cross-examined with a D on the end of it.org and were back in just two minutes and will go in the line of fire with your host Dr. Michael Brown voice aboard cultural and spiritual revolution. Here again is Dr. Michael Brown Dr. Frank Turk instead filter for the great Dr. Michael Brown is now a tour in Italy speaking out there. So pray for his the meetings out there. If you would today were talking about protesting without a standard that you may have had conversations with people out there who don't like something about how the elections turned out in their accusing Trumper of all sorts of different different maladies or different attitudes or different crimes or whatever it is and they are want they want to protest inauguration. They want to protest the presidency and my contention is that many of these people are atheist, which means they have no standard by which to protest anything. There's no injustice unless there's justice and there's no justice unless God exists.

So if someone ever says no matter what they say about trumpet about what they say about Clinton.

No matter what political side thereon. You just have to ask them what you mean by in just how did you come to the conclusion that there such a standard of justice and where is this standard of justice come from to get if it's just in you. It's not really standard. It's just your opinion.

If there's no God, there's nothing right or wrong about anything.

Everything is a matter of opinion.

By the way, to call somebody back word implies that you know what forward is what is the authoritative objective standard of goodness outside of yourself, by which you judge something to be backward or forward by which you just something to be good or bad by which you judge something to be better or worse you notice there can't be a better or worse unless there's a best if there's not an immovable standard of best. There's no way to judge whether some of the countries getting better or worse, you're implying there's a standard outside of yourself. Now the way to turn this to a discussion about the gospel is to simply talk about how standards must exist if you're upset about something you're upset about a standard being violated that standard must exist. My question to you is, have you ever violated that standard. Have you revived or done anything wrong. They've ever done anything in just do you think moral crimes are to be punished.

Have you ever committed a moral crime there and I have to say yes. Well, if they say yes then you just asking. Would you like a pardon.

In other words, would you rather not be punished for your moral crimes if they say yes, that's your opportunity to say somebody's paid for already for you all you need to do is accept their payment. That's what Jesus is done right at the gospel. He correctly election to the gospel.

Just like that and I will be sweet to call and here I am even put the number out yet, but we got calls already. It's 866 34 truth. That's 866-34-TRUTH 7884 I think Roy or is it let me see.

Is it ready in Queens is listed in red. You're probably listen on the great.W MCA up there. Are you looking very much for your ministry but you Dr. for my perspective. I believe good news is much more about the election about the issues over the control of the old you know of refugees, all Muslim countries is outgoing. The function of the bustling division and thought is like a duck.

I think what is at stake was like what we have looked at her motives and working about the woman. We think that an adult ritualistic touchup 22F understand what chocolate what's are you saying that the protesters just want divisions in our country regardless of who one is that what you're trying to say ready to understand properly.

With that, there agenda so you will to bring about evil we will all come to believe or even about was literally sure boatswain during learning throughout the world for the about the Muslims coming from other countries and have the right than that of the nation holds that the people that stabbed his country yes are certain people out there that you are correct have been documented to actually pay protesters and one of them who has done that is George Soros and you like to see some evidence for that you go to American evangelicals.com American evangelicals.com then not obviously not having read on the Internet is truly jump, but I think of you read American evangelicals.com you get some pretty hard documentation that yes there are people out there.

George Soros appears to be one of them anyway who is trying to fund people to be protest to be brought protesters not what is in fact here in my my home town of Charlotte. Right now my adopted hometown where I live in the Dr. Michael Brown lives as well.

A few months ago there were some protest because of police shooting and other were riots here in Charlotte may remember on the news and a lot of people were arrested and get this Ray 70% of the people who were arrested were not even residents of North Carolina.

Now you go. How can that be because they were busted to create dissension to create a riot. They were paid thugs. We saw the WikiLeaks thing that the Clinton administration put a mistress in the Clinton campaign apparently was had hired somebody to actually cause fistfights to trump rallies and and this was caught exit wasn't WikiLeaks. I think it was caught by the Veritas project which is James O'Keefe's organization where he actually went undercover with video to find out that these people who were hired by the DNC, the Democratic national convention and apparently hired through the Clinton administration. Somehow, the Clinton campaign against administration of a campaign. These people were actually paying thugs to go into trump rallies and start fights. So there is there is that going on and that's but you go to Veritas.org and find that it is Veritas.org date just Google O'Keefe, Veritas, and that you'll see the videos up there and these are undercover videos you can hear you can see, you can see what's going on, so I'd I agree to some of that going on out. I don't want to take too broad a brush errata want to say everybody who's on the other side politically of trumpets is is this this way. I'm not saying that at all, but I'm sad. There are some people out there doing that and I think you're right about that Ray. God bless you, and that's already from Queens New York on am originally from New Jersey, so WMC I used to listen to before was a Christian station. By the way, notices a great Christian station. Unfortunately only think they get the first half hour of light a fire up there they go to get that that is the second hour for the second half hour and the entire second hour. It's a two hour program and if you can't listen up there folks and in New York then go online and listen to it, go to line of fire.org and listen live to the two hours we have here the line of fire, and as I say my name is Frank Turk filling in for the great Dr. Michael Brown who is speaking as we speak into her in Italy and hopefully he'll be back here soon on it Matt. Tell me, email me the talk of producing. I went and saw Dr. Brown coming back online to see coming back online soon as been on a trip for couple weeks. I filled in form last week and fill in form today.

Hopefully he'll be back here next week but talk more after the break about protesting without a standard because the people out there who are protesting whatever for whatever they're protesting. Even if church a person may be protesting something out of whatever your protesting your implying that there is a standard out there beyond yourself. But if there's a standard out there beyond yourself. That's not just you.

It's not just your opinion then that is exactly what we mean by God and so you get you if you're not to be consistent. If you're to be an atheist and trying protest, you've gotta have a standard outside yourself and we'll talk more after the break on Frank Turk website cross-examine.org cross-examined with@theendofit.org and I were back in just a few minutes ago. It's the line of fire with your host activist, author internationals and Dr. Michael Brown voice of more cultural and spiritual revolution get into the line of fire now by calling 664 through here again is Dr. Michael Brown, it's Dr. Frank Turk filling in for the great Dr. Michael Brown and Matt just told me to produce Erie just told me that Dr. Brown be on the air tomorrow from Italy and will be back in the studio live on Monday so this is the last day you have to put up with me.

By the way, before the break we were talking about the protests that the the anti-trump people are having and one of their demands. They say build bridges, not walls because you see, Mr. Trump made immigration of focal point of his campaign, and many of the protesters think that's a key issue so there there out there for their undocumented friends said one protester about your my undocumented friends and that they want bridges, not walls. I would love to ask any of these folks who say that they are for open borders. I just want to ask them one question you have a lock on your door. You know what your house give a lock on your door.

You do really, why what you have open door storage of open borders around your house. Watch just let anybody come in and take whatever they want, do whatever they want what you let them come in and take your life savings live off your food.

Take shelter under your home without your permission.

Watch just let them do that. Always private property not ever write out what what what what what we wait, what you're saying you have private property property that needs to have limits put on it property that needs to be protected property that actually has borders but you're saying the country doesn't have as a follow. How can you have a country without borders. Do you know if you want to go biblical on this. The Bible presupposes different nations with distinct borders. Israel had distinct borders. God didn't say the whole world was Israel's. He gave them distinct borders. Nations are assumed and cited throughout the Bible to have borders in Numbers 20 Moses asked for permission to go through Edom with the Israelites, the king of Edom said no, that was a bad move because later Edom got judged but Moses respected the borders of Edom.

In fact, Paul says in acts chapter 17. Before the opinions before the Greeks, he says from one man God made all nations notice that made all nations and insight made one nation made all nations that they should inhabit the whole earth that he marked out their appointed times in history and boundaries of their lands.

God did this so that they would seek him and perhaps reach out for him and find those not far from any one of us were in him we live and move and ever being a some of your own poets have said, we are as offsprings. In the end, the Lord will gather the nations why we think what we have this naïve view that carnations should not have secure borders or nation should not have secure borders you have secure borders around your house, you will anybody in your house you let them take whatever property that they want. There can be no good security unless you have borders just like there's no security in your home. If it if it had no walls.

If there were no borders around your home or your property or your loved ones. So this is complete naïveté and by the way, the, the person who said it. One of the protests out here for my undocumented friends that I want bridges, not walls was 19 years old. Nothing is 19-year-olds.

But someone put it this way, if you're not a liberal when you're 20, you don't have a heart if you're not a conservative when you're 40, you don't have a brain because liberalism sounds so good it until you try and apply it and then you realize that human nature won't allow liberalism to work for most people because were inherently bent toward evil and so we need restraints on our behavior and conservatives understand that liberals don't seem to understand it back with your phone calls 866-34-TRUTH 866-34-TRUTH Bob Frank Turk filling in for the great Dr. Michael Brown our website cross-examine.org line of fire with your host Dr. Michael Brown voice of more cultural and spiritual revolution. Here again is Dr. Michael Brown Dr. Frank Derek for the great Dr. Michael Brown Dr. Brown be back tomorrow from Italy and then live in the studio on Monday completing a trip from India, and Italy.

Back home here to Charlotte today were talking about how people are protesting without a standard there out there protesting the election results of the election. Yet there is no grounds to protest anything unless God exists because there's no such thing as justice unless God exists. If God doesn't exist and there's no such thing as justice or injustice of Europe's upset about anything. If you think something is wrong with the world wrong with the universe. Anything that's wrong with the universe. You actually believe in God. In fact, and I get your phone calls and minutes will hang on the phone number 866-34-TRUTH 87884 866-34-TRUTH 87884.

In fact, if you asked this question of anybody I don't care what their worldview is I don't care if their atheists, Christians, or anywhere in between Muslims, Buddhist Hindus, whatever doesn't matter if you asked them this question. Here's the question what's wrong with the world but he's going to say nothing. Everybody's gotta say there's something wrong with the world. Well, if there's something wrong with the world just one thing that God exists.

Why because he, by definition, his nature is the standard of goodness of righteousness, of justice and the only way we would ever know something was really wrong is if that standard existed. You see, you can't know something is not right. Unless something is right.

You can't know something is in just unless something is just you can't know something is it moral unless something is moral easy because evil doesn't exist on its own. It exists as a lack or a private nation in a good thing. In fact early on well early on the back of the 400s, when Augustine was around puzzled over evil.

He said how could there be a good God, and there be evil in the world because of evil is a thing that God created all things that God created evil, but how could a good God create evil puzzled over this for quite a while they realized that one of the premises of his argument was wrong. The premise that was wrong is that evil is a thing what evil is not a thing. Evil is a lack anything evil is like rust in a car if you take all the rust out of the car you got a better car if you take all the all the car out of the Rusty got nothing evil is like a wound in your arm if you take the wound out your arm. You got a better off if you take the arm out of that your wound. You got nothing. In other words, evil doesn't exist on its own. It only exists as a lacking a good thing.

So if we are going to say that something is really evil. We are automatically assuming something is really good but something can't be really good unless there's a standard beyond ourselves beyond our just purely subjective opinion, that defines what we actually mean by good and that's what God's nature is he is the standard of good. So if evil exists. I know this sounds counterintuitive, but it's true.

If evil exist. God exists. So if you're upset about anything in the world and you really think it's really wrong. It's not just your opinion is wrong, but it's really wrong then you actually believe in this being we call God this faceless, timeless, immaterial, powerful moral personal intelligent creator we call God by triple not such a blade. It's 866 34 true the 866-34-TRUTH 87884. Let's go to the phone lines in Julie you're in Charlotte with Frank Derek a Julie how you doing good what's going on your you're in my hometown. What you did where you live in Charlotte when just to ARI. Thank you. We went to bed and the people have been down, they actually don't have an idea of what they are protesting about one when okay now you vote for one political party, and I will point political party bill can only be one company to move the children to you all. If you don't give it to you all can't be what candy is going to throw a tantrum that went to protest event doing the a map because their political party leaders did not went though and everywhere that of effectively graciously thing okay while we lock and get all power while people want drawing can't come my way out protesting a compote that and the top of the people anyway okay.

The people who outdate being violent and cognitive dysfunction. Though the people who I like that anyway. They don't have to have a car and they just want to be an I don't date to go to IDENTIFY the damn believing in a cot have to be of good and evil like.and in good and evil. Evil we have had to know good and so what good okay we don't get evil in the far end of the way out thinking that the way doing okay before we put it up on evil, evil, thought I would get back.

Good you believe in one but even because you say Dave.how do you compare.compare.you have had to know that so sexy as Lewis said something like that.

Julie at one point he said the shadows prove the sunshine. In other words, in order to have shadows you have to have sunshine in order to have evil you have to have good how you can have sunshine without shadows you have good without evil but you can't have shadows without sunshine. You can have evil without good, so good, exists independent of evil but evil cannot exist independent of good.

So if something is evil out there. Then God exists because God is the standard of good that makes evil even possible and as I mentioned before you're in Charlotte I'm in Charlotte. Did you remember a few months ago when those protests were going on that 70% of the people arrested weren't even from the state of North Carolina. They were paid, protesters paid to come in and create riots. So there are people out there doing that right now Julie probably not turned probably that many people people probably and probably don't even know what else that's right that's right and it's better to walk alone than to go in the wrong direction with everybody else and there's a lot of people out there who are going in the wrong direction and it's better to walk the other way. Even if you're alone doing it. Hey Julie, I appreciate the call.

Thank you God bless you, that's Julie from Charlotte. Yes it is true. I mean, she had the nail on the head when she was talking about the fact that there's gotta be good.

If there's evil and we all know there's evil. That's why people just think protest because they think something is evil going to be wrong about that, but they still think there's some evil going on and if there's evil going on and there's gotta be a standard of good and that standard of good is exactly what we mean by God.

Let's go back to her talk about earlier with regard to the nations that it's totally appropriate.

Biblically, logically, internationally, internationally get it.

There's a neat there's there's nations to have borders and have secure borders and as I went through earlier.

The Bible assumes that would that there are borders secure borders to nations and some have argued, by the way that the First Amendment's guarantee of the free exercise of religion prohibits Congress from banning people from coming into the country based on religion, having some have said that on the Democratic side of said will, there's no way that we could band say anybody who claims to be a Muslim from coming into this nation because they said there were Muslims once they said they were Muslim jihadists, not just Muslims but they were Muslims who believed in G hot, could we ban them then or would we have to say that the First Amendment guarantee guarantees their access into this country that would be ridiculous. The First Amendment to the Constitution does not apply. By the way, to people who don't live here. It applies to people who live in America doesn't apply that we make getting what we may think. Obviously, as we do that people around the world should have freedom of speech and freedom of religion we all agree on that but our First Amendment to our Constitution does not apply to people outside this country who don't live here under our laws. In other words, we want people in their countries to have the same First Amendment. We do our First Amendment doesn't apply in their country because we have jurisdiction over them and we can't say we shouldn't say that people who want to come to this country have to be admitted because of the First Amendment that makes absolutely no sense. By the way, these are the same people who deny Christian citizens to free exercise of their religious beliefs. The same liberals want to force Christians to violate their religious beliefs by forcing Christians to participate in same-sex weddings. The same people were saying that we gotta let Muslims for maybe even John us into the country because First Amendment but Christians don't have that same First Amendment protection here that's just crazy Frank track with the of cross-examined.org back in a couple minutes don't go away. The line of fire with your host Dr. Michael Brown, the line of fire now by calling 866-34-TRUTH here again is Dr. Michael it's Dr. Frederick filling in for the great Dr. Michael Brown Michael be back tomorrow from Italy and then on Monday he'll be back. Live in the line of fire's veto so tune in for that today we are talking about protesting without a standard, how many people protest without a standard. We started off the program by talk about how many people out there protesting the fact that Trump won the presidency and they want to protest because oh Hillary won the popular vote or they just don't agree with trough or whatever for whatever reason they did.

They just don't like trumpets, other than a protest fight protest all you want but when you're protesting, you're assuming there's a standard that is been violated. What is that standard is that just your opinion or is there a standard of righteousness or goodness or justice outside of you, by which you can make that assessment because if there isn't, you're protesting without a standard and you're just protesting that people are doing things that you don't like, but aren't really wrong. Just your opinion there protesting against your preferences while nobody has the obligation to live up to your preferences and I said the easiest way to turn this back to the gospel is to ask people to argue with them over over whatever they're claiming they may be claiming that Trump is this or trumpets that are Clinton is this a Clinton's that are you know it whenever there protesting. You have to argue all you have to say is let's say what you're saying is correct. Why is that wrong. Who said what your standard where you get that from.

In fact, here are some tactics you can use when you're talking to people about these issues well before I get to the tactics and adjustments. One of think the way to get to the gospel again. I mentioned this early release it again way to get to the gospel is after you asked them what your standard is you can say have you ever violated your standard heavier violated the standard.

Have you ever done anything wrong.

In other words, have you ever committed any moral crime there and I have to say yes if they say no, they committed a moral crime.

They just like you.

Okay have to say yes and what they say yes then you could say would you like a pardon from your moral crimes or if you want to have a question between you could say was, shouldn't people commit more crimes be punished will of course old you like a pardon for that moral crime or for your moral crime so you don't have to pay the punishment for them. Yes I would. Okay, now 730 paid for his name is Jesus. All you need to do is trust in his name, and you be saved. Believe in your heart that he's risen from the dead you be saved. Romans 1014. Check it out. Romans 10 nine. Following check it out so you can get to the gospel very quickly by just agreeing with the person that something in just or unjust as occurred and then ask them. Have you ever committed anything in just or unjust. Now, here are some other questions you can ask if you're having a disagreement with someone what question should you ask the other person why you're so unreasonable know that's not the question you should ask.

You could say why not be reasonable just agree with me know that's not it either. If you're having a disagreement with someone, especially on moral issues. There are several questions you should ask the first question is what you mean by that say they call you a big nuclear question to be what you mean by that we mean by bigotry as soon as that person tries to define what they mean by bigotry to be in trouble because if they say something like will bigotry is having an opinion without checking out the facts.

Then you could say will you just did that to me you even know what I believe or why believe it or call me big as soon as they tried to find it are going to be in trouble is he, people are using words like that to shut you up.

So ask the first question what you mean by that, by the way, these words are these questions I'm using here are from Greg Koegel's book, tactics, and there also from our app the cross-examined app to words in the app store cross-examined there's a quick answer section in here that has these questions that you should ask people has answers to a lot of objections to Christianity. In it you have downloaded the cross-examined Apple. However hundred 15,000 people downloaded so far they love it there using it.

They love it. A lot of people love it there looking at it. It's wonderful to believe me, believe anyway what you mean by that is your first question, how did you come to that conclusion is your second question was how did you get the look they call you big okay that they tried to find out you come to that conclusion you come to the conclusion that I'm a big what evidence you have for that position. Then you can say have you ever just have you ever considered that you accusing me of being a bigot, or accusing so-and-so be in such and such.

You are assuming there's a standard. What is that standard, you're assuming a standard outside yourself that that person or I have violated if there standard is an outsider. You and me. It's just your opinion, it's not really wrong what is your standard is that the Bible is it natural law or the moral law, or what Jefferson would call nature's law. Is it the Constitution or is it just you know your own desires what is your standard actually the standard is God's nature. We may know about God's nature through the Bible through natural law through the Constitution. If it is congruent with the Bible or even thrown desires. If we follow our consciences we might know the standard by those means, but the standard exists independent of those means God's nature of goodness of righteousness of justice exists regardless of how we know it. So ask them what you mean by that.

How did you come to that conclusion. Have you ever considered that when you're coming to a conclusion like that, you're assuming there's a standard outside of yourself. Where does that standard come from if it's just you.

It's not really is not really an injustice.

It's just your opinion so that you know there are people on all sides of the big issues big issues to cook today claiming they have certain rights with its abortion, homosexuality, same-sex marriage, marriage and divorce.

What bathroom to use whatever it is they say they have rights, but by what standard they have right to set its right to abortion, same-sex marriage, divorce, does God grant these rights if not God then who notice by the way that the issues we argue over today are all issues related to sex. That's new new religion in America today. Francis the religion of sex and the problem is if you cross the religion of sex they will hurt you. The religion of sex is a religion of the sword, they will come after you. Unfortunately, the people say their fight for tolerance are often the most intolerant people out there.

By the way tolerance. There's another moral term. Christians are not commanded to be tolerant.

Tolerance is hold your nose and put up with them. Love says reach out and help them.

Tolerance is to week were supposed to go beyond tolerance to love and if you truly love people.

You don't tolerate everything they do.

We know this is parents. We know this is parents. We don't if we tolerate everything our kids want to do were not loving. As soon as we start tolerating evil behavior that will hurt them or others were not loving and were commanded to be loving, were not commanded to be tolerant if you tolerate evil you're not loving the only way you can love is if you don't tolerate evil so the cultures try to turn all this on it said in this Isaiah said woe to those who call evil good and good evil we have to stand firm with what is right and what is true. That's what Dr. Brown does here every day on the line of fire. What we try do it.

Our ministry cross-examined.org check it out, cross-examined the.org finance Frank Turk. It's been great being with you in the next hour. You can stay with us working to give you the evidence as to why Christianity is true for points for questions. I hope you'll be able to stay with us for the next hour. If not, listen it line of fire.org on Frank. You're a great being with you. Welcome to the line of fire likes my guest host Dr. Frank Derek's time for the line of fire with your host activist and author, international speaker and theologian Dr. Michael Brown your voice of moral cultural and spiritual revolution Michael Brown is the director of the coalition of conscience and president of fire school of ministry get into the line of fire now by calling 866-34-TRUTH. That's 866-34-TRUTH here again is Dr. Michael Brown by Jonah Frank Turk what you phone and for the great Dr. Michael Brown Dr. Brown is on his way or already has landed in Turin Italy were he's can be doing some presentations in next day or two so please pray for him is a bit tired on Fredericton with you before our website cross-examined.org cowrote the book. I don't have enough faith to be an atheist and a new book called stealing from God why atheists need God to make their case. We talk about that a bit the last hour, this hour I'd like to talk about how do we know that Christianity is true.

I got email not long ago from united states Marine so I knew this man was no wimp.

I was actually in the Navy for years.

By the way Navy Stanford never again volunteer yourself.

But this guy was in the Marine Corps. He was writing me as a tough guy.

However, he was writing me as a distraught father. He said my daughter was the top Christian student in her high school class. She helped lead the youth group at church. She won several scholarships and Christian organizations that she could take to any college she wanted to and so she wanted to take them to the University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill to win the campus for Christ to be one for Chris Peck. I just spoke there about a year ago.

Very liberal school that's in good campus ministries out there though any event, this father said about four weeks into my daughter's first semester I got a phone call from her. Her words devastated me. She said dad I don't believe in God anymore don't believe in God anymore. What he said I got my car I drove four hours down to Chapel Hill that weekend. I sat down with her and I got nowhere with her what you mean you don't believe in God anymore. What happened and she said well we have an atheist professor who teaches the New Testament class. Yeah the atheist or teach in the New Testament classes and he said we don't even know who wrote the Gospels and the Bible has errors in it. So dad, I am an atheist now and he said to me via email so anything I can do about this.

I said if he ever got any apologetics training. That's not saying you're sorry that's given evidence for what you believe, and she said or he said you know I wanted to I just never got around to it. So anything I can do now is we could ask your question what question the question I ask all unbelievers. What's that, here's the question. Ask anybody is not a believer. If Christianity were true, would you become a Christian. I said if she hesitates or says no, the problem is not in her head. The problems in her heart she doesn't want to be true. When you go to college is a lot of reasons you want Christianity be true. You want to have your parents said you want to do whatever you want to do you want the moral restraints of God on your you want to be seen as the Bible thumper on campus you want to be the target of those atheistic college professors you have a lot of non-intellectual reasons to disbelieve in God, to walk away from the church. Now, ladies and gentlemen, do you think that this young girl in four weeks.

Investigated all the evidence warned against Christianity and made a rational decision. It was false though there's no way you could do that anyway. What happened was, there were other things going on what really happened is she went off to the college unarmed. She was never talked in to Christianity. So it was easy for her to be talked out of it.

She was never given any real evidence. It was true.

She was just told go off there and believe, and then she ran into atheism and liberalism and she was unarmed. You know the easiest way to get picked off in a war, it's that not know you're in one and if you haven't figured it out yet were in a war for the hearts and minds of our young people and our older people as well.

The culture is not neutral out there. The cultures going to drag your kids and yourself away from God and away from Jesus and away from the church so the remainder of this hour were to give you some evidence as to how you can show that Christianity is indeed true and that how you have to have a lot more faith to be an atheist, or any con other believer than just being a Christian on Frank Derek of cross-examined.org filling for the great Dr. Michael Brown seen the line of fire with your host Dr. Michael Brown get into the minor fire now by calling 866-34-TRUTH here again is Dr. Michael Brown 866-34-TRUTH Robert Frank Derek Tony for the great Dr. Michael Brown and did today as to why Christianity is indeed true and how you can show it's true relatively easily affected only for questions you need to answer to show that Christianity is true, and these are all from our book stealing from God why atheists need God to make their case. If you want more details on this, to go through it very quickly over the next hour we have together. The four questions you need answered to show that Christianity is true. Are these the first question is does truth exist. The second question, does God exist. The third question is, are miracles possible in the fourth question is, is the New Testament true if the answer is yes to those for questions truth God.

Miracles in the New Testament, then Christianity is true beyond a reasonable doubt and in fact we might say why these four questions will assist you with the very quickly. Briefly asked why that is the first question is does truth exist obviously if there's no truth or if it's just true for you but not for me or all truth is relative and you hear all the time.

But then Christianity can't be true, of course, if there is no truth in any book written by an atheist can't be true either. Right coming. Of course there's truth will explain why here in a minute, second question, does God exist. There can't be a word from God, i.e. the Bible unless God exists, and so I'd like to give some evidence that God does exist. The third question is, are miracles possible. Obviously the Bible can't be true if miracles are not possible, but I hope to show you that not only are miracles possible. But the greatest miracle in the Bible has already occurred and we have scientific evidence for then and only then can we get to the key question is the New Testament true the New Testament doesn't have a prayer. If there's no truth, no God or no miracles, but if truth exists. If God exists.

If miracles are possible, then we can see if the miracles of the New Testament actually did occur to authenticate the fact that Jesus really was God that he really did predict and accomplish his own resurrection from the dead, and that by trusting in him we can have eternal life and resurrection as well.

Now you might be thinking. When Frank your talk about the New Testament here. What about the Old Testament believe the Old Testament true will look if the New Testament's just reliable you get the Old Testament thrown in. Why will who's in the New Testament they can authenticate the Old Testament Jesus.

If Jesus really is. God is the New Testament documents claim he is now. That's a big gift, but if he really is God. Whatever God teaches is true. Jesus taught the entire Old Testament is the word of God. So if the New Testament reliable.

You get the Old Testament thrown in.

Now there's a lot more detail to this argument. Then again, if you get the book stealing from God why atheists need God to make their case. You can see all that. If you want to go into a lot of detail, you can get the book.

I don't have enough faith to be an atheist, but these are the main four questions. Does truth exist as God exist are miracles possible as the New Testament true jealousy with the first question does truth exist. Now what about to say here's most important thinking skill I've ever learned that I didn't learn it until I was 33 years old in seminary, I really had a Masters degree and I didn't even know this and I guess I knew it, but I didn't know I knew it you might know it but you might not know you know it. What am I talking about what I'm talking about here is how to identify a self-defeating statement to identify statements that don't meet their own standards. Like for example photo say to you, I can't speak a word in English what would you say you got to said that in English. That's a self-defeating statement is like saying my parents had no kids that lived or it's like saying my brother is an only child, or it's like saying it's like saying everything I say is a lie, some you get that tomorrow.

These are self-defeating statements. They can't be true because they don't meet their own standards and it turns out that the statements that we hear in our culture today in support of relativism are self-defeating, so someone will say there's no truth what question should US that person who says that what you want to do is you want to apply the claim to itself.

If somebody says there is no truth. Your essay is that true is it true that there is no truth because of its true that there is no truth. The claim there is no truth can't be true, but it claims to be true that I say that right. Anyway, you can see that that's a self-defeating statement. It's like saying I can't speak a word in English or somebody says all truth is relative apply the claim to itself say is that relative truth.

Now it claims to be absolute or somebody says there are no absolute truths. Your essay are you absolutely sure because that's an absolute truth claim or somebody says you can't know anything.

You should say that. How do you know that how you know it's true that you can't know it's true, or somebody says you get all your truth from science. Your essay did you get that truth in science, though that's a philosophical claim you can improve that by science. Most of the things you know you'll get from science. Most of things are important in life of nothing to do with science.

You know you love people, you know, right and wrong, you know value you know these things regardless of size of nothing that was science the most important thing in your life is nothing to do with science.

Hopefully it's another person. Obviously the most important thing in your life, your Christian is God, but after God probably people right honey do you love me. I don't know. Let's do a scientific experiment to see if I do now.

How about you judge here that all the time that why you judging me for judging.

See making saying you're not judges. A judgment by the way, Jesus didn't say don't judge Jesus said Judge not lest you be judged by the same standard you judge others you be judgment that said so before you try.

Take the speck of your brothers. I think a log at your own eye first and to be better able to help your brother is Jesus telling us not to judge here know he's telling us to make a judgment. He's telling us to take the speck out of your brother's eye that involves making a judgment. He simply say get that problem that your life so you can better help your brother.

It would be complete suicide say don't make judgments. Everybody makes judgments you're making hundreds of judgments right after driving down the road between safe choices and dangerous chores at once making judgments.

The only question is, are your judgments. True atheist make judgments that judges know God.

They judge that there is. The Bible is wrong. These are all judgments and Jesus was not a sissy about judging if you think he was just read Matthew Trent chapter 23 he hammered he hammered the Pharisees in Matthew 23 condoms: whitewashed tombs in saying how you avoid being condemned to hell calling the broods of vipers and Jesus went after people, and they were the religious and political leaders of the day you tell me Jesus got involved in politics.

Yes he went after the political leaders of Israel, the Pharisees heat. Job slapped him and he wasn't so nice doing it for fact if you think Jesus was soft and sweet all the time you haven't read Matthew chapter 23 we haven't read John chapter 8 where Jesus calls the Pharisees.

He says that your father was the devil. What you imagine say that somebody take father was the devil. That's what Jesus said in John chapter 8 sweet gentle Jesus that these things by way if you're just tuning it lays on your listening to Frederick thought it for the great Dr. Michael Brown are websites cross-examined.org cross-examined with the on David.org bodily notice. One of think about judging different notice that when you complement somebody which is a judgment. Nobody ever gets upset if you say to your best friend. You know I really love your such a wonderful person you think your friends to go. You think you are. You judge it may not think that ever going to say that there never to say that you see I noticed that people don't really have a problem with judging people just have a problem with judgments they don't like and by the way, if you tell somebody somebody something that's true in a nice way and they get upset. You just help convict them.

As Augustine said, we love the truth when it enlightens us. We hate the truth when it convicts us if you tell somebody something true and they're upset about it. Your nice about it that they're upset you just help convict them free military folks out there. You always get more flak when you're over the target. If you say something that's true, and people are upset you're over the target you just help convict them in a wine because a lot of people aren't interested in the truth.

Jesus said, men loved darkness rather than light, they don't want their evil deeds exposed. People are more interested in the happiness question on a true quest are not interested in truth, you can ask the question of Christianity which would you become a Christian.

If the roster to say no, many of them or didn't hesitate. Why because it's not. They're not really interested in Christianity, the people that you know who you'd like to be Christians who are not are they not Christians because they're on a relentless pursuit of the truth and they just can't find the evidence or they apathetic or perhaps even hostile. In most cases the reader apathetic or hostile. Some people looking for the truth if I get them answers get a monument of faith to be an atheist. Get them stealing from God why atheist need God to make the case the book or talk about today. Again want to Dr. Brown's books on the Old Testament prophecies, but third they might not be interested, that they may be interested more in their own temporal happiness rather than the truth. But if you asked them if Christianity were true and you become a Christian and a hesitate or say no.

At least I learned something about themselves. They're not really interested in the truth so truth exists and can be no next question. Does God exist to cover that right after this breakout Frank to work with you from cross-examined.org and I'm back in just two minutes so it's the line of fire with your host Dr. Michael Brown.

Your voice is more cultural and spiritual revolution. Here again is Dr. Michael Brown Dr. Frank Jurek with your filling it for the great Dr. Michael Brown Dr. Brown back tomorrow from Italy and then Monday from Charlotte, that's where I am in Charlotte filling in for Dr. Brown are websites cross-examined.org cross-examined with a D on the enemy.org wrote the book on having a fee to be an atheist and altered another book called stealing from God why atheist need God to make their case. It's a book or talk about today. I'm going to the evidence for Christianity.

We said therefore questions you need answered to show the Christianity is true. The first is does truth exist. The second does God exist that there is are miracles possible. The fourth is the New Testament true and the first segment we cover does truth exist were to talk about. Does God exist here and there's three great arguments for the existence of a space timeless, immaterial, powerful, moral, personal, intelligent creator who sustains all things we don't have time to go through all these, I'm just going to list them for you here, but these arguments by using debates I use in my books and I think Dr. Brown is use them as well. These arguments show. I think beyond any reasonable doubt that a theistic God exists.

The first argument is the argument from the beginning of the universe known as the cosmological argument and it basically means that the universe had a beginning that space matter in time had a beginning out of nothing and then the entire space time continuum left into existence out of nothing, or even atheist admit this. Stephen Hawking admits that almost everyone believes that the universe in time itself had beginning at the Big Bang. He tries to come up with another explanation other than God. He fails, but it seems to me if space matter in time had a beginning. Whatever created space matter in time can't be made a space matter in time. In other words, the cause must be space less timeless, immaterial, powerful, to create the universe out of nothing personal in order to choose to create also intelligent because his universe is fine tune it's put together with extreme precision that when you think about a space was timeless, immaterial, powerful, personal intelligent, because who do you think of yet that's exactly what we mean by God's baseless, timeless, immaterial, powerful, personal intelligent because that's what the first argument shows the second argument is the argument from design known as the teleological argument. It shows that there is design in the universe and design in life and there, therefore there must be a designer.

For example, the universe itself is fine tune. If the expansion rate of the universe at the initial creation point were different by one part in thousand million million. A second after the Big Bang. We would be here in Stephen Hawking, the atheist admits this in the expansion rate of the universe was that infinitesimally different there would be no universe or certainly no universe that supported life. Now why is that value where it where it is, why, why was expansion rate just what it is it it was it was imperceptibly different, virtually what we would be here. Seems that the same being the created space matter in time is the same being that fine tune its beginning and currently fine as fine-tuned other aspects like the gravitational force like the certain weights of the electrons to the protons and neutrons in all sorts of different environmental factors about our universe are just precisely where they need to be if they were any different.

There would be no universe, and there'd be no life.

The third argument for the existence of God is the moral argument and it's as if there's one thing morally wrong out there, just want like it's wrong to torture babies for fun and there has to be a God, why is it there is no God. If there is no standard beyond humanity that it's just your opinion against the baby torturer's opinion. We all understand that baby torturing is wrong if it's wrong there must be something really right and that really right is what we mean by God's nature. We talked about this a little bit in the last hour the program go back and listen to it in podcast thought that moral argument may be the easiest way to show somebody that God exists because without God, nothing is ultimately right or wrong get everybody intuitively understands or something really right and something really wrong. Now if you add these three arguments up together. The cosmological teleological and moral arguments you get a being that's baseless, timeless, immaterial, powerful, moral, personal, intelligent, and a creator who sustains all things that we mean by God. Now those argument are unpacked in depth in the book stealing from God why atheist need God to make their case in more depth in the book. I don't have enough faith to be an atheist. Either one of those books make a great Christmas gift.

By the way, either one of those books will be helpful to you so you can check those out before you move out of third question are miracles possibly squeeze in a phone call or two in our phone number by the way is 866-34-TRUTH 866-34-TRUTH and let me go to Amanda in Greensboro, North Carolina Amanda you're on the Frank Terkel redhead great but I'll get better.

What about you, I am a believer. I'm a great I agree with everything that you think that often point my when I don't understand why anyone would take the love of God from why would they want to take that belief away from McKinley, both in Date like the negative, we have faith in God and why would they want to our faith away from. That's an interesting question Amanda and I speculated a little bit of that little bit about that and I said I have talked atheist about that and read a lot about it and I know this may sound a little strange, but I think part of it is political. You say will what you mean Frank, how can it be political because atheists in many ways are concerned that Christians and other God believers are going to politically impose a certain moral point of view on them and they don't want that to happen. So they want to talk you out of your faith because they think your faith leads to certain moral points of view that you want to impose on people through the political process, and many Christian starships in many atheist admit that part of their resistance, and in many cases, all of their resistance to God's moral they don't want there to be God because they want to be a God. They want to be God they want to do their own thing and they think that you were going to get in their way. I mention this in a previous program that the new religion in America is the religion of sex. If you notice the things that we argue over a culturally and the courts in and in the Congress and in our culture. The culture wars all have to do a sex abortion and same-sex marriage, abortion, or rope contraception paid for by the government.

Now our argument over what bathrooms we should use a mean, it's got that crazy now and it's all related to sex and I think for many atheist certainly not all camping with too broad a brush, but some of them want to talk you out of it because there they think that politically or their enemy found that all people often pumped around all white.

I create for myself that they do have now I hear you hear anything like that I get is that conviction that they either way. They believe they got it before they would follow. All I can give it to The money in my in land that life both with and then our actions will ran over. That's right, you can bring anyone to Christ, but you can bring Christ to everyone all because they have to be open to it.

The Holy Spirit has to work, so I appreciate the call Amanda. Keep doing what you doing up there. I God bless thank you so much. That's Amanda from Greensboro on Frank Turk for the great Dr. Michael Browner website crossing dampen.org that's cross-examined with the undelivered thought or strip mall now is not 866-34-TRUTH 866 30 truth. It's the line of fire with your host activist, author internationals and Dr. Michael Brown voice of more cultural and spiritual revolution get into the line of fire now by calling 8664 through here again is Dr. Michael Brown Dr. Frank Turk with you across examined.org all one word, there's an app on the app store that you can get to it. 62 words cross-examined and over 150,000 people downloaded that after finding it very helpful. Has all of our radio programs on extremes or TV show live and also as a quick answer section, so you may be talking to somebody over lunch and they say something that's wrong about Christianity, but you're not quite sure how to answer it.

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It works on that to and the cross-examined Avenue has an answer to many of the major objections you get Christianity new habit right with you on your on your phone at all time so check it out today were talking about the evidence of Christianity is true and if you want to join the conversation 866-34-TRUTH 87884 866-34-TRUTH 7884. We talked about the fact that truth exists, it self-defeating say doesn't exist. Does God exist. We gave three arguments. Just briefly, the cosmological teleological and moral arguments which show us that there's a space list, timeless, immaterial, powerful moral personal intelligent creator out there in the third question is, are miracles possible that a lot of people have trouble with miracles. They can't believe in a resurrection because I never seen one. They think that Noah miracle is crazy the Jonah miracle is just outlandish no way I could believe such things. I can't believe in any of these miracles, I was asked people what is the greatest miracle in the Bible and actually some people say the resurrection and the resurrection is of course perhaps the most famous miracle in the Bible but it's not the greatest miracle in the Bible. What is the greatest miracle the Bible, the greatest miracle in the Bible is the first verse in the beginning God created the heavens and the earth given that verse is true every other verse is at least possible. I mean if it's true that God created the heavens and the earth out of nothing. Can he do whatever he wants is not logically impossible inside the heavens and the earth. Of course, if he great the heavens and the earth that are nothing he can part the Red Sea. He can do the Jonah miracle that Noah miracle, he can raise Jesus from the dead. He can walk on water. He created water he can do whatever he wants. It's not logically impossible. Will the interesting thing is we have good scientific evidence, and even philosophical evidence. The first verse of the Bible is true that there was a beginning that space matter in time had a beginning out of nothing and again the cause of space, matter, and time has to be space list timeless and immaterial because space matter in time didn't exist. It was created so ever created can't be made space, matter, and in other words, we have good scientific and philosophical evidence of first verse of the Bible is true if the first verse is true, maybe other verses are true.

So miracles are possible.

By the way, by the way some people say I can't believe it miracle because I've never seen one related job and you believe a lot of things you never seen it. Believe in your mind never seen that you're using it right now, you believe in the laws of logic never seen those you're using. You believe in the laws of mathematics you try to use those on map so sometimes you fail sometimes to succeed.

You believe in justice never seen it.

If you're protested anything you believe in justice. You believe in love some physical thing. Ladies and gentlemen, but you believe it. You believe in George Washington you never seen him you believe that a lot of things you don't believe in or I should say that you don't see that you believe in and by the way, you should see expect to see a lot of miracles today. Why does what's the purpose of a miracle. The purpose of it miracle is to be a sign from God.

To say this person speaks for God. If miracles were occurring all the time. What would the resurrection of Christ mean to us.

I mean, suppose people were resurrecting from the dead routinely.

What would Christ resurrection mean to us.

Nothing to somebody ago.

Jesus rose from the dead for your sins and the guy goes so what uncle George just rose from the dead. Two weeks ago. Now I gotta get the inheritance back. No miracles have to be rare for her to get her attention. If people were popping up from the dead all the time, the resurrection would mean nothing.

So they have to be rare events that can't be regular events if there were regular events.

We think there's some sort of natural law doing the rare events Frank Turk with you, filling in for Dr. Michael Brown cross-examined.org back in two minutes.

Don't go in your phone calls to light a fire with your host Dr. Michael Brown line of fire now by calling 8663 here again is Dr. Michael Brown, it's Dr. Frank Jurek filling in for the great Dr. Michael Brown were talking about why we know that Christianity is true or how we know that Christianity is true and we're going through four questions. Does truth exist as God exist are miracles possible is the New Testament true. It was a reliable weaver briefly gone through the first three questions as truth exist. Yes, self-defeating, say doesn't does God exist.

Yes, we have three great arguments is more than this, but there are three great arguments for the existence of a space list, timeless, immaterial, powerful moral personal intelligent because that's the cosmological teleological and moral arguments that are miracles possible course they are because the greatest miracle the creation of the universe out of nothing has already occurred. We have scientific and philosophical evidence for that.

Well that's the case then other miracles are possible. The question is have any other miracles occurred in the first century to a man named Jesus and his apostles that could tell us that hey this guy Jesus really was who he said he was, he really was God and if he really was God. Whatever God teaches is true, and if this God taught us that the Bible, particularly the Old Testament is true that it is. That's the tact we take in the book stealing from God why atheists need God to make their case. If you want to go further, you can. It's really, really want to go into depth get on habit of faith to be an atheist and you want to be on the program 866-34-TRUTH 866-34-TRUTH let's go to the phone lines it will go to Jack driving through Winston-Salem, North Carolina Jack Robert Frank Turk, redheads are really enjoying Max as now, the question I have part is that you adopt the very beginning of the show, which will get it, you were shown that Christianity was just that you know that it's at issue and they could be dealt with from apologetics that are right. But if they say no, which means it's a hard issue. How you approach it from left, I think you will first of all I think them acknowledging it's hard issue would be a good step for them just to realize that they're not being really honest if they keep asking for evidence, but evidence won't do anything to change their mind. So I think just them realizing that it's hard issue and not a head issue was helpful and then I think. Secondly, what you want to do is pray for that person. I continue to love them as best you can, because in my experience, what happens in situations like this, Jack, is that if you continue to be a good friend to them and you continue to love them at some point in their life. There's gotta be some big problem that's going to come up or have some tragedy that comes into their life and then your phone is going to bring in that person's gonna be on the other end because when things go really go bad they're gonna call a person a spiritual depth and aquaculture, atheist friends to call you and then when the students ready, the teacher will appear.

I mean they're going to be open that at that point that your opportunity when they're open to present Christ to them. Until that time there going to be resistant to you so I just think praying for them and us stand in their lives is the best thing you can do if in fact you have the opportunity to do that all right with thanks so much Jack, that's Jack from driving through Winston-Salem anyway yeah I mean you can't force anybody to believe anything, if you could, then everyone would be a believer because God wants everybody to believe, but he doesn't want everybody just to acknowledge she exists most affect everybody at some point knows there's a creator God.

We suppress the truth to go our own way. But there's a difference between belief that an belief in belief that is just intellectually knowing God exist leaving the demons know that that's what that's what James says James 292 19. He says even the demons believe that God exists, but they don't trust in him. Why, because they don't want to trust in him then want to be following him.

They want to do their own thing. You see there's a difference between belief that an belief in belief that his intellectual belief. It is not just intellectual, it's also volitional.

In other words belief that is of the mind, but belief in is of the mind and the heart. You can believe that something is true but not accepted, not trusted it in fact did we know this by relationships.

When I first met my wife. 31 years ago. I get evidence that she would be a good wife and all the evidence in the world didn't make her my wife. I did take a step of trust in her to ask her to be my wife and a momentary lapse of judgment. She said yes she that's a different stream belief that an belief in an everybody can have belief that, but not everybody will have belief in because some people don't want to believe in and I think the better word in the real word in Greek is not really faith what is faith but now faith means to some people.

Belief without evidence us on what faith means in the Bible. Probably a better word uses the word trust after you note that God exists that Jesus is the Savior. Then trust in him for your salvation. So belief that belief in, and some people are resistant to belief in they may know that God exists, but they don't want to believe in him because they don't want to give up something they don't want to give up. They want to be their own God.

They want to be their own boss.

So what about this issue is the New Testament true. There's a lot of evidence we go through in the book stealing from God why atheists need God to make their case and the book.

I don't have enough faith to be an atheist. Either those two books will go through this material and the evidence that the New Testament is true, some of it we can obliterate with the P we have early testimony we have eyewitness testimony. We have embarrassing testimony we have excruciating testimony there several other reason there but let's just talk about those briefly early testimony.

Most if not all the New Testament documents are written prior to 70 A.D. there's a lot of evidence for this. One of the pieces of evidence is that we know axes written by 62 A.D. it ends abruptly with Paul under house arrest in Rome. If axes written by 62 Lucas prior to ask. Many believe Marcus prior to Luke and Matthew maybe even earlier or Matthews earlier that Luke and Mark is even earlier. These are early documents. We know that first Corinthians is written by 55 A.D. even atheists admit that and in first Corinthians. There's a creed. First Corinthians 15 versus 3 to 8 is the earliest creed. Perhaps in the Bible it goes all the way back to the resurrection itself, even atheists admit this atheist. Scholars admit that the creed in first Corinthians 15 versus 3 to 8. Go look it up in our time to get into it now but it basically says what Jesus did that he died, was buried, he rose again. He appeared all these people that was memorized poorly and it was finally put into writing by Paul and 55 A.D., but for 20 years or more.

It was memorized orally because it has a rhythm to it and people believed and remembered it that way that is very early data for the resurrection, and of course nothing is mentioned in any of the New Testament documents about the temple of the city being destroyed by the Romans in 70 A.D. which is pretty good evidence that those documents are written early, at least most of them were prior to 70 A.D. why it's too big an event to leave out, and some of the books are written as if the temple is still standing. Even the gospel of John says talks about the pool of Bethesda in John chapter 5, it would be no pool of Bethesda after 70 A.D. it was destroyed.

Why is John talking about is if it's still there.

These are early documents ladies John mother also eyewitness evidence in these documents. There are 84 details from chapter 13 to the end of the book of acts chapter 28 that are eyewitness details are all listed in the book on a benefit to be an atheist. These are books or these are these are details only eyewitness would know you know Paul gets right for Luke gets writers writing acts.

He gets right, who's the ruler in a secure town on the Mediterranean.

What's the language spoken there. The slang spoken there even has the depth of the water off Malta right when they run aground in Malta. In chapter 27 the shipwreck he has all that right.

This is not a made up document. In fact, Luke names 32 countries. 54 cities and nine islands without making a mistake. According to archaeologist William Ramsey, Sir William Ramsey great archaeologist. He didn't have Google maps back then he gets all that right and there are several other details in his gospel there 59 eyewitness details in John's Gospel. These are all listed in the book. I don't have enough faith to be an atheist.

These are eyewitness details only and eyewitness would know. Then there's embarrassing details at the third line of evidence. There's so many embarrassing details in both the old and the New Testament, but just look at the New Testament embarrassing details or details they never would've invented because you never to make up embarrassing details about you, the writer, or even about Jesus but the New Testament documents are filled with them. We just give you a couple. Do you realize that Peter is called Satan by Jesus, Peter as their leader.

Jesus calls them Satan you think they invented that you think Mark at some point said to Peter, let's make this a real interesting story out of the Lord call you Satan what you think Peter would've said, have them call you Satan. Isaac called me Satan. I'm the leader here and then Peter says, Lord of never deny you as you wind up doing. He denies him three times. You think they're making that up that's embarrassing. Their leader denies the Lord three times & Laura never deny this is not a made up story there several other embarrassing details in there as well that I'll tell you after the break. You're listening to the light a fire with Frank Terry filling in for the great Dr. Michael Brown our website cross examine.org pledge cross-examined with the on the other.so check that out.

We come back we'll talk about more evidence on the line of fire with your host Dr. Michael Brown voice of more cultural and spiritual revolution. Your again is Dr. Michael Brown Dr. Frank Turk with you, filling in for the great Dr. Michael Brown our website cross damage to.org were talking about the evidence for Christianity and how so many kids. By the way, kids I should say of these are teenagers or really young adults go off to college. But before walk away from the church once they leave the home once they go off to college three or four, 75% or so walk away from the church and one of the reasons they do is, intellectually, they don't know why Christianity is true. So we've been given evidence here as to why Christianity is true from our books. I don't have enough faith to be an atheist and stealing from God. Why a Disney got to make the case good Christmas gifts. By the way ladies and gentlemen, by the way, all the proceeds from all the sale. The book stealing from God or I don't have enough faith to be an atheist, or the DVD sets that you can get on our website cross examine.org all the proceeds from the sale. Those books and DVDs and curriculum will go to feed needy children. Mine just so you know okay got three son, so I need some help. Actually, there are grown now, but that we still see and we still feed him some time. So anyway we talk about the evidence that Christianity is true and the question is, is the New Testament are those documents telling us the truth and we said that the three lines of evidence we covered briefly so far that the New Testament documents are telling us the truth OR we have early testimony we have eyewitness testimony. We have embarrassing testimony and I mentioned that Peter was called Satan by Jesus and that he deny the Lord three times.

Also at the crucifixion he realized that the disciples ran away when this is like a Monty Python movie brought out why they all run away and who are the brave ones.

Yes, the women are the brave ones now who wrote the New Testament down man. Now what man is going to say that he was hiding for fear of the Jews why the women went down discovered the empty two. Would any man that you know invent a story like that and make him look like such a sissy pants. No, I mean if I was making up the story.

I write something down like this. Let's say we marched right down there and overpowered that elite Roman guard that sounds good. John said get out.

Philip roundhouse kicked him. Peter said we'll be back and then we marched right down there on Sunday morning and we saw Jesus emerging from the two and he congratulated us on our great faith and then we went back and comforted the trembling women look I would never say I was Mr. scaredy pants why the women went down discovered the empty tomb. Yet all four Gospels say. The women were the work were the first witnesses, which is telling us what they really were. Why would they invent that if it wasn't true. And why would you say a woman's testimony well put it this way.

Why would you say the women were the first witnesses if they were in that culture. Why would you never say that because a woman's testimony in a court of law in that culture was not on par with that of a man, it was not considered as authentic as that of a man. So if you're making up the New Testament story. You'd only have the men be the first witnesses yet all four Gospels say. The women were the first witnesses which is talented.

What they really were the first witnesses. There's no way that they would've invented that it was too embarrassing. I actually had a woman come up to me once and she said I know why Jesus appeared to the women first and I said why and she said because you want to get the story out. I said that is an excellent point. I had not thought of. That is, ladies, ladies. When your man comes home from work to see say much. There could have been a nuclear explosion down at the plant. He's not to tell you I mean you see it on the news before you hear from him you be watching the news and you'll be gone why he's getting all yeah forgot to tell you a couple of days ago. The new got melted down and I've been pretty hot for the past three days. I forgot the deli men don't say much. Okay so Jesus appeared to the women first for a reason, even though it was embarrassing also noticed by the way, there are two prostitutes in Jesus's bloodline, Rahab and Taymor D think they invented that you think Mark you are or market that was Mark was Matthew and Luke got together with the record the genealogy think they said hey guess what I really think we ought to spice up the Messiah's bloodline a little bit. Let's put a couple of prostitutes in their no I don't think they did that, I think they're just telling the truth as embarrassing as it was in fact there's other embarrassing people in the bloodline Judah from where we get the term Jew.

The tribe of Judah. The fourth son of Jacob. He's not a good guy but Jesus is descended from him. David's in their he's a man after God's own heart. Yet he's a liar adulterer and a murder murder GI guess there's hope for the rest of us that she was in there. You know, one of the writers. One of the one of the writers who records the genealogy won't even mention her name.

You know what he says in the genealogy just say that she but he says your Reos wife that's a slam but he's telling the truth. Uriah was the husband of that Shema, whom David had killed so he could have her. They're not making this up there telling the truth as embarrassing as it is affecting other five women in Jesus's bloodline. Only one of them said you were the five Rahab tame our Ruth – Chiba and Mary only marries the Jew. She's the only Jewish one that could be embarrassing but they're just on the truth that's that's what happened. There are all sorts of embarrassing details. They never would've invented, then the fourth he there's more ease than this in the books. You can check it out for yourself. Stealing from God or I don't have enough faith to be an atheist. The fourth he is excruciating deaths. These people died excruciating death so they could save themselves by simply say it never happened. I mean, they went to their desk saying Jesus had risen from the dead.

Remember they were Jews.

They had no motive to make up a resurrection story that every motive to say it wasn't true. Not every motive to say it was the New Testament writers did not create the resurrection of the resurrection created the New Testament writers.

There would be no New Testament for wasn't for resurrection there already Jews. They Artie thought they were God's chosen people, what motive would they have to make up a resurrection story non-zip, zero, Nada.

They said it was true because it really happened. That's what caused them to write it down. They didn't write it down to make it up it it happened and then they wrote it down. Fact there were thousands of Christians before there ever was a Bible New Testament because the resurrection so we know that didn't the New Testament true if the New Testament true the Old Testament true because Jesus in the New Testament tells us the Old Testament true and he's God. Whatever God teaches is true. That's how you know the Bible's true friends.

You know the truth existing of the God exist. You know that miracles are possible because the greatest miracles already occurred, the creation of the universe out of nothing and you know the New Testament documents are telling us the truth because we have all this evidence that there telling us the truth.

After telling us the truth in the whole Bible is true and Christianity is true, it's what we celebrate this Christmas even though Jesus probably wasn't born in December we celebrate the fact that the creator of the universe comes to earth and humanity over deity takes the punishment that could or should have been doled out to us. He takes it upon himself so we can trust in him and be saved and live with him forever.

What a great message friends fracture a great being with you our website cross-examined.org download our app George cross-examined in the app store as well. Great being with you, Dr. Michael Brownback tomorrow. God bless you all. See if