The Bankruptcy of the Pro-Abortion Movement; the Future of Atheism; and Does Naming Names Unify or Divide?

Since we will be taking calls today. Sit back and enjoy this prerecorded show. Did you hear the prediction that by the year 2040 atheism will be the dominant belief or nonbelief on the planet and have you seen how the pro-abortion movement is flailing will take all this up today right here on the line of fire stage for the line of fire with your host activist and author, international speaker and theologian Dr. Michael Brown your voice of moral cultural and spiritual revolution Michael Brown is the director of the coalition of conscience and president of fire school of ministry get into the line of fire now by calling 866-34-TRUTH 866-34-TRUTH paradigm is Dr. Michael Brown got a kick out of this quote from Dr. Niall Nigel Barbara Niger Bob PhD about where atheism is going by 2041 all yeah I'm trembling in my boots, Michael Brown, welcome to the broadcast. Thanks for joining us on the line of fire this Wednesday as we focus on the world as we focus on moral and cultural issues as we focus on what God is doing in the midst of this fallen world, to join the conversation. Here's number to call 866-34-TRUTH. That's 8663 for 87884 I spent a good amount of time last night working on an article I read some excerpts of it later in the broadcast. It's called the moral and intellectual bankruptcy of the pro-abortion movement. That's right, the moral and intellectual bankruptcy of the pro-abortion movement. You can read that I go to my website ask Dr. Brown.org and then just clicking on the latest article, there I want to talk about a bunch of things I want to talk you about the rise of atheism and the rise of religious believers.

The rise of atheists and of religious believers around the world.

What about America. What is it me were things going.

We'll talk about the pro-life movement where that's going and then will interact with you.

Another sensitive subject. I broached on it this week but I want to talk about it in a little bit more depth. As we have time today and that is when it is right what is wrong to quote name names when it is right to publicly differ with brothers and sisters or to confront false teaching or dangerous areas when it's right when it's wrong to be specific to name names what's supposed to be done behind closed doors. What builds unity. What produces division we'll talk about that as well and I want to get your take on it because everything we do on this broadcast is is done back with prayerful thought and is not just some. Well, let's just throw this out sooner, because I mean I may do that with some silly little topic and just get your feedback on something, not particularly material but but we really try to use every minute of this broadcast for the glory of God and for your edification and to touch and help those who don't know the Lord.

So I don't just do things to be controversial. I don't just do things to be sensational so might take it like that because were dealing with lots of controversies but it's the last thing in my model. Let's do this and be more controversial. Get more people listen for what purpose of it doesn't edify and help move us in the right direction for purpose okay very quickly. I want you to hear this prediction from Nigel Barber and Irish by old physicist Nigel Barbara and Irish bio psychologist predicts that by 2041 atheism will replace religion as the dominant belief, or lack thereof in the world's assertions are based on a study recently conducted involving 137 countries. Dr. said atheists are more likely to be college educated people who live in cities and they are highly concentrated in the social democracies of Europe.

Atheism thus blossoms amid influence where people feel economically secure religiosity is highest in impoverished areas facing many disasters with low educational opportunities as areas of the world become more stable they will abandon their traditional beliefs is a true owner OKs a file psychologist about this is true.

This is the rise want to become the dominant religious belief. Nonbelief one of her. The light of fire with your host Dr. Michael Brown. Your voice is more cultural and spiritual revolution. Here again is Dr. Michael Brown until there are more atheists on earth.

Then there are believers in any religion. Is that possible is this prediction by bio psychologist.

What is a bio psychologist by the way, bio psychologist Nigel Barber in Ireland is, is it possible what he saying is true. 866-34-TRUTH 87884 he he does not say that quote religion will completely disappear by 2041 but rather because of the changing demographics and more people getting educated living in cities and with a higher quality of life, etc. that when that happens, countries like Japan, Sweden, that the society gets more and more secular. Could that be.

He said I never claim that religion would disappear by 2041 but all that it would lose its present majority clout currently about three quarters of the world's inhabitants are religious in the sense of seeing religion is important in their lives. My estimate he says implies a less than 1% decline per year to the 50% transition to minority status and then then another article January 28, 2011 model the model in terms of their predictive model predicts religious religiosity gene yell religiosity gene will dominate society. According to this study on the site. PHY S.org in the past 20 years. The almost population in the US has doubled, increasing from hundred 23,000 in 1991 to 249,000 2010. Huge growth stems almost entirely from the religious culture's high fertility rate, which is about six children per woman. On average at this radiology population will reach 7,000,000 x 2100 44,000,000 x 2150. Of course, people do drop out, but then when you have that many kids it more than makes up for. How about the Orthodox Jewish world. How about Christians, and many other parts of the world outside of medical even some in America as well as larger families about Muslims with their large families. According to a study by Robert Rall Thorne emeritus Prof. of Prof. of economics at Cambridge University. He's developed a model that shows the genetic components that predispose a person towards religion are currently hitchhiking on the back of the religious cultural practice of high fertility rates even if some of the people were born to religious parents defect from religion become secular. The religion jeans they carry, which encompass other personality traits such as obedience and conservatism will still spread throughout society. According to the model's numerical stimulations he says provided the fertility religious people remains on average higher than that of secular people. The genes that predispose people towards religion will spread. The bigger the fertility differential between religious and secular people, the fastest in a transformation will occur.

So he's saying the opposite of what this other professor says he's saying that know you're going to have more and more religious people on the earth for two reasons.

The birth rate and then what he calls the religiosity gene that things are passed down to the children from the parents that make them more religious 866-34-TRUTH 87884 lists. Listen to this statement. This is from Edward Falzon joyfully clipped number six. There is abundant evidence on the nonexistence of the Judeo-Christian God and VCs are coming that can be disproven and has been disproven archaeologically and historically we are the Judeo-Christian God is the most investigated and examined God of history and we spent the last hundred and 50 years, ever since that was a the first real critical exegesis of the Bible in the mid-19th century in Germany and anyone with a spade went into Israel and Syria and Egypt and started digging up. Try to find proof of what I found was not only no evidence in favor of the Bible but everything I found contradicted the biblical account.

Talk about ridiculous overstatement. Nothing that archaeologists archaeologists found confirmed the Bible everything disproved. It notes over statements like that that make you realize how bankrupt the larger positions are but but what about this idea, what about this idea that it's it's not a matter of disproving the existence of any god of any deity. How is one going to do that even if you could go to the every corner of the universe. That doesn't mean the deity doesn't exist outside of what about the claim will you can demonstrate that the Judeo-Christian god is not real.

You can demonstrate his nonexistence in some your city to shake your head like what world is this guy live in Jesus change my life. God touch me and transform my life. God answers prayer prayed in secret that only he knows and answers them publicly, God speaks through his Word, and on and on and on how but but this is what this is what he and many atheists believe here's here's a further point. This is from Karis Santa Marie on this issue of religion science of morality and atheism. Go ahead. Number seven Joey not just a is there God is there not a God, but religion is not just I believe in God bath that there's so much dogmatic comes along especially talk about Judeo-Christian religions estimates Dominic comes along with it.

All right, so once again, can you say will the dogma is false. All of the dogma about this God of the Bible is false.

And because we clearly see it is false, then we can throw out the idea of this God actually existing because of his followers make wrong claims about him and that's how were supposed to know him.

That obviously the whole thing should be thrown out. How how we respond to that spiritually and intellectually. We do know that there has been a rise in atheism in America. In England in recent years, we know that many people just dropped out of church but they don't identify as atheists, but there is a rise in atheism. Here's a story from one year ago from Kimberly Winston religious news. She says religiosity is on the decline in the US and atheism is on the rise. According to a new worldwide pole.

The poll called the global index of religiosity and atheism, the number of Americans who say they are religious dropped from 73% 2005 to 60% 2012. At the same time, a number of Americans who say they are atheist rose from 1% to 5%. The polls conducted by when Gallup international is based on interviews with 50,000 people from 57 countries, with five continents. Participants were asked quote irrespective of whether you attend a place of worship or not, would you say you are religious person, not a religious person or convinced atheists again. The numbers dropped from 73% to 60% 2005 to 2012 saying that they were religious, and though saying they were convinced atheist rose from 1% to 5%. When we make of that. How we interpret that. Are we expecting greater and greater apostasy until the end of the age. Is this just another temporary blip has atheism already demonstrated that it doesn't work. What I mean is we have had thousands and thousands of years of human civilization here on the earth. There is been enough opportunity to reject the idea of a god or gods or supernatural world or other world outside of this natural world and where it is taken hold national leaders failed miserably failed miserably in the former Soviet Union and you see the rise of religiosity. There the Russian Orthodox Church and other forms in Judaism within the Soviet Union see the rise of religiosity, even even Islam of the former Soviet union rising. You see, countries like Albania that declare themselves to be the first atheistic country you have communist China and in every case that the atheism has failed. It's not just that communism has failed, but atheism is felt.

British scholar Alister McGrath actually wrote a book a few years back called the twilight of atheism as he talks about the world decline of atheism. But what are we to make of these concepts. Why, in fact, are people getting quote less religious in America. Why is atheism on the rise again. My heart goes out to atheists, even those who are hardened and angry because I know there ultimately rejecting the very source of life and Nancy coming to faith the age of 19. My bride 37 years as a hard-core atheists. Please help me to understand the atheist mindset over the years God's grace will penetrate many hearts what's happening now back with your calls. The line of fire your host Dr. Michael Brown line of fire now calling 866-34-TRUTH here again is Dr. Michael Brown is no supernatural dimension. There is no rescue coming to us from the on scene.

There's no such thing as salvation. We all as alone as of the species in this in this struggle is not so sad to hear the voice of the late Christopher Hitchens 866-34-TRUTH 87884 really be talking about the flailing of the pro-abortion movement in the rise of pro-life sentiments in America little bit later in the broadcast.

Right now we been focusing on something, and opposite parallel, the rise of atheism in America in different parts of the world what to make of that 866-34-TRUTH be sure to go to my website. Asked Dr. Brown.org and click to read the latest article about the moral and intellectual bankruptcy of the pro-abortion movement, which is posted on Townhall this morning.

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We lost Lisa in Smithtown.

I want to chat with Lisa because we used to live right next to Smithtown.

Our kids went to a Christian school there, but the Lisa okay Stephen in Manhattan hey Stephen, thank you for calling the line of fire your on the air. I might go quicker, conduct a lariat quickly grab another guard program.

No archaeological evidence to what the Bible. It is so much I would frequently bore aware of what's going on Biblical archaeological review which is very, very dark. The profound interest within the last part. You will look forward say Sodom and Gomorrah. They found a room with two of the belt was thrown out the window to talk greater they found out to a good family of gaillardia goes on and on record. I can hold every also in the binder notebook pilot the clock your corrodible letter was both on the year the war happened during layers of things but was exposed another happy ritual wrote that Christ went through just an every time I get a new issue between you discovery the archaeology review is is not a fundamentalist Christian public capital deployment controversies that are printed there and look there are there. There are things that we read biblical history and archaeology were trying to see okay how does this work or how does this fit are there some question marks. But the fact is there so many amazing detailed confirmations and you know is Israel's existence being mentioned at certain times with certain kings and inscriptions that the tie-in with what Scripture says so for for of someone who really knows the Lord is convinced the Scriptures of God's word. They don't need archaeological confirmation, but it's always fascinating to see new discoveries and how they shed light on things and I like I like your quote good exposure.

You know the regulars under hypocrisy or involvement people. It makes a comment about this article. Period. Period. Verification: irritable you are.

You're right about all marketing guard actually wanted to contribute voter very saying that among the archaeological community just like a lot of the paranormal among the scientific community are looked down upon because it a power level or a religious aspect to right-sided. They still have the child dribble viciously. Still trying to push it like Stephen the thing that I that I fully expect enough talk to the scientists about this, because that's not my field, but I'm convinced that the Morris science continues to learn about the universe about life, about the cell about you name it and God's creation, the more difficult it's going to be to be an atheist.

Hey Stephen, sorry to cut you off there appreciate that the call in the thoughts abuse before I take other calls. Let me just throw thought out to you obviously can prove this at all, but I was meditating on things. Thinking about the death of Christopher Hitchens, one of the most outspoken famous atheists of the generation died of cancer last year and I was always thinking about what happened immediately after death. Now you might say will heat immediately find himself in flames of Helen and realize his worst nightmares confirmed. Of course it's possible, but that would almost confirm to him all the wrong beliefs he had about God as well as if used to some kind of moral monster, the Jewish Christian God, and I thought what if in a split second he could have seen every time that God revealed his love to him.

Every time the God revealed truth to him every time he had an opportunity to believe, but because of hardness of heart or pride or love of the flesh. He said no and suddenly he saw and realize God is utterly right and I utterly wrong.

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So when people cast the concept of God from their midst when they cast the concept of God from their lives from the society. Of course, lawlessness can reign all the more in a healthy reverence of God in fear of God in recognition of who he is, brings a change in life and conduct member Genesis the 20th chapter Abraham's thinks that Abimelech is is going to be interested in.

His wife Sarah, and he says this shows no fear of God in this place. In other words, there's not going to be a moral compass and moral base that would stop them from certain acts 866-348-7884.

Do you think as we get closer and closer to the end of the age which could be 10 years from now, or hundred years from now may God hasten it. Do you think that there's going to be more religion on the earth both true both true and false, or more atheism on the earth. As you read Scripture as you have your own beliefs as we at.

I don't mean your beliefs determine things but as you read Scripture and control conclusions. I should of said do you believe that there will be an increase in atheism, or that the dominant views will be false beliefs or the dominant view will be the spread of the gospel through the entire world that Joe would get click number nine ready.

We have seen in recent years the rise of the new atheists. But I see that. Also as part of a vacuum that has been left in America in different parts of the world.

The vacuum left by the lack of visitation of God in the midst of his people. The vacuum left by a lot of superficiality in the church. The vacuum left by a lot of hypocrisy.

The vacuum left by the church, getting to politicized the vacuum left by a lack of power in our message. We stand for something, but didn't deliver the goods. Because of that into that void new atheism is risen up also are a lack of solid thinking in many Christian circles, a lack of ability to really understand Scripture and think through issues in a critical and productive way into that void.

Atheism has risen will continue to rise or is this just another preparation for greater harvest of souls let's go back to the phones David in Falls Church, Virginia thank you David for calling the line of fire. Dr. Brown I would mention about one of the first live state that we could be like God, we could pick credit from the garden. You know they felt our Apple but then you brought on about you know this guy guy.

I wanted to share what I was seven years old. I got caught underneath the garage door not die at all. My body on the ground at wrote Dr. start, and it was Boyd and Aaron and all of the scroll I saw were every thought, every action of my life that. I indicated white light overwhelming love and and and among people like three or four people.

There is great room and there were people standing there in white electric row after row after row of people. It was more than the count. It was like looking at a week but exactly what you set every thought, every word, every of my life. I saw and you know that exactly what he's talking saw himself being presented. The truth he saw himself because you said why so I'll David, just to just jump in. That's that's a striking vision and process too late to pray for Christopher Hitchens but there plenty of atheists. Pray for that they have an encounter with God. Now this world they can respond in the line of fire with your host Dr. Michael Brown voice of more cultural and spiritual revolution. Here again is Dr. Michael Brown, my friends line higher podcast 866 Edward if you happen to be listening in Shanghai right now. It would actually probably played a quote from you. You could see that one of her listeners was not impressed with it but just got a note that you to join me on the air gobbling. You may not say gobbling but I will.

And yes, we should have a lively discussion by all means.

I do hope that works out. 866-348-7884 Joey get click number nine ready and this is Daniel Dennett saying something very interesting, very profound, very sad. The quandary confronts any churchgoer is that by the good works. The very good works that they do for their church. They provide protective coloration for all the evil that some churches do because they help to perpetuate the good name of churches and some people are reluctant to criticize churches when they do evil and and will forever excusing churches for doing evil because after all, those are churches as religions, we must respect. If the Mafia had just built a few more nursery care centers and hospitals. They would've been able to continue their evil deeds much more comfortably limited, yet you know that this perception that the church C or churches representing the church that they are involved in acts of evil that they are involved in. Will they do good, but then they do evil. Okay, there have been times in history were professing Christians and even organized Christian religion that they have been involved in evil acts and evil deeds. There's a question that that has happened and is no question that with more power and finances. There is more corruption, but let's just think about this. Let's bring this down-to-earth what city do you live in right now where you located. Think of the local churches there. Think of those that are involved in doing good sick of those that are helping the poor thinking. Think of those are doing outreach into rough parts. The community thinking those that are offering marriage seminars. Think of those that are that are helping send funds to meet needs around the world in areas hit by disaster and on and on. Think of that.

Okay think of people that are being helped by being taught, Scripture being taught godly ways to live and as their heating. This they are not out committing all types of acts of crime, so on and so forth.

People like me who the Asus of 15 shooting heroin and involved in all kinds of trouble and then radically saved at the age of 16 while wasn't getting in trouble and in that way. I was obviously standing up for Jesus bring certain opposition, but I wasn't breaking into houses with stealing money for my father was in a line. Miserable drug using creep right now. Now ask yourself what acts of evil has the church committed, you may hear of a scandal here and there. Those scandals are horrific. I say, contrary to what Daniel Dennett said atheist angle that it's the opposite that Christians are held to a higher perspective of the Christians are held to a higher standard excuse. The Christians are expected to live differently and churches are expected to be different. So when there is some type of scandal it it shines all the more brightly because the pages expected to be white. That dark blot stands out all the more if if you heard that there was some sexual abuse thing going on in the midst of all some polygamists called out in Utah.

You'd be disturbed by producer. Yeah, that's what these weird cults do if you heard that there was all types of extortion and violence in some inner-city drug ring, you'd say, what a shame, but that's what they do but but if you hear that a pastor was involved in some sex abuse scandal your draw drops all the more. Sadly, not as much as it used to drop because the been more scandals but those things stand out all the more because of the fact that even the world expects us to live differently. You know Daniel Dennett's is also said that that such an amazing world wherein he would like to thank someone, but since there is no want to thank you just try to make the world better for the next person on the one hand, it's a nice sentiment to try to make the world better, but of course, intuitively we know there's something beyond us. That's why there's so much religion in the world even false religion, 8663 freight 7884. Let's go back to the phones Anthony in Newberry Port Massachusetts. Thanks for calling the line of fire. I duck around regular Army Iraqi Army make quick comments. I know you're talking about a lot of the new eight bit like you're talking about Daniel Bennett well obviously like a lot of them you'd like to try to use science to try to like prove atheism and disprove God but actually if you if you really think about it ain't even actually undermined science in a serious way because ultimately if there is no God and there is no immaterial mind and our brains are just a material process.

I am, we are essentially just reacting to nature were not really reading right now. And in order to like to thank you need to have a mind that can reason and comprehend data and so forth.

So actually atheism actually seems to destroy fine by denying the existence of no free will and really, there cannot be any reason on atheism because you're not really reading right now you're just reacting to the laws of nature as your brain is essentially just particles in motion and actually I you're just talking about Daniel Dennett. He actually denies the existence of human free will.

I believe you and answer the course, the point you make is important when atheists certainly have an answer to that. The bottom line is it how do we even know that anything is real I mean he's just neurons firing how how can we prove anything. What what is you can submit science can demonstrate it but but how do we know the whole thing is it. Ultimately, some kind of delusion and in then when you go and of same from an atheist viewpoint when you take it even further. What's what consigns know and not know when Anthony flew, gave up his atheism in and became either a Deist or theist on some level. One of the things he said was that that science is the new atheists are using science to make determinations that science cannot make fruit for example, science cannot determine beauty or love or certain philosophical values or is yes, those are outside of the purview of science and yet I saw a video of Richard Dawkins debating John Lennox to brilliant, highly educated men Richard Dawkins said something to the effect that vicarious atonement is unscientific so you know you're in your you get two different categories.

Science doesn't interface with the issue of vicarious atonement so that it it it oversteps its bounds and yeses as atheist philosopher Thomas Nagel has said that naturalism really can't be true. Naturalism ultimately defeats itself on a certain level and then you know I've talked to Nancy about this. Can you have a sense of purpose. Can you have a sense of destiny if there is no God and and she said on a certain level you can in this life and in other words, there's a purpose to life, but you have to fight off death and old age and deterioration of the K with everything you can, because that's all there is so an ultimate purpose disappears really it isn't there. If you get mean ultimately what's the purpose that a monkey has what's the purpose that a fish has what's the it in the larger scheme of things it there. There is not there.

They're just animals and ultimately that's all we are just a little bit bigger brain so your you're right you're right Anthony.

All the more do we need to pray for God to open up hearts and minds and pray that God continues to allow more and more truth to be revealed scientifically that continues to point to him and then I think, like anything else we need to pray for humility. My biggest issue. Thanks for the call Anthony. My biggest issue was was not addiction to drugs are specifically diction to the needle. My biggest issue was pride that was my biggest issue to acknowledge that I was wrong. That was my biggest issue and that a close second was the addiction to the needle and obsession with drugs in the lifestyle I was living my own belief I as I read Scripture I see a religious world with the end of the age and I see counterfeit signs, wonders and miracles and I see great deception in the earth, and I see a Jewish Jerusalem welcoming the Messiah back the does that mean that there will not be a lot of atheism on the earth. I can prove that I can prove that but I always feel bad for atheists when they make their great predictions because I know ultimately we are puny little human beings and God will reveal himself powerfully to the whole world may he have mercy and his love report out on those who sincerely or insincerely rejected his love poured out humble themselves and find life here on the line of fire with your host Dr. Michael Brown.

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I would rather just talk about the position and not the person, especially if they're not well-known then I don't want to be unfair to them.

If you posted a comment on my Facebook page and it was public but that's all the place you posted it and I think you made a terrible point I'm not going to give your whole name on the air and say so-and-so said this, I may say is your first name or someone on Facebook because I want to protect people as much as possible even when I differ and I know that in the body, there is often let let's just say we can be too quick to draw conclusions, and I might say one word about a particular ministry or teacher leader and I differ with this date and I'll do it because it's public. They were on national television. They made a major statement everybody saying, have you seen this. Have you heard this, the audio clips of the videos are going viral song, I'll get a response with but often we take that one error that one bad segment and we write the person off entirely. Rather than doing what Jonathan Edward said we should do with regard to revival, but it applies and everything.

Don't judge by the part, but by the whole it's possible someone made a mistake on the air. It's possible some of them express themselves clearly and immediately when they got off the air. They said all I blew it I sound like an idiot. I saw like I denied this this this and this and then they immediately corrected and they send out emails in the postings publicly in any realize that I've never heard him say that before in a thousand messages oculus throw that person out based on that one state so that's why I'm I'm careful about naming names. On the flipside, if there is a public disagreement going on.

I find it helpful to address it in a constructive public way to repair heads in the sand and make believe. It doesn't exist or you have factions arm of Mike Brown arm of this one. I am of that one or we go say hey were part of the same body which allowed fellow believers know about, people deny the faith they were part of the same body there some public disagreements going on, let's talk about them constructively. So that's that's what I've sought to do with my Calvinist friends. That's what I'm sought to do with those of the cessation of this camp who say that the sign gifts of the New Testament the miraculous gifts of those things are not for today. So as we were getting calls and questions about Pastor John MacArthur's upcoming strange fire conference. I've sought to interact with some of his folks and ultimately the goal would be with past MacArthur directly at the same time. Even before that because public statements were being made.

I said hey here's what I appreciate about Pastor MacArthur. He's my senior and the Lord hears right. Honor him and I'm so pleased with this this this and he and I say amen to this this this now. Here's right differ. Here's right differ. A lot of people have been really thrilled for that. A lot of a lot of people have been really pleased that were having this type of public discussion of this is that how dare you attack a man of no seat is not. It is not. It I could just as well say yeah but there there people on the other side that feel that past MacArthur's attacking their friends and colleagues. I would rather say it's not a matter of attacking anyone. It's a matter of having public constructive dollar because were part of the same body, and I for one, not willing put my head in the sand as if these differences don't exist. Rather, it's a hate.

Let's learn from each other. Let's sit down and talk and if were not able to do that or that's not the choice that others want to make then then let's have public dialogue about public statements just just like if I systole on my show if you came on the next hour say I heard Dr. Brown say this, I think you made a great point. I love it, but I differ with him on this will go for it and then have discussion in a healthy way because the differences exist, let's be constructive about now, obviously send her the hour can take calls on it now, but let me know your thoughts. Let me know if you find it more helpful or more harmful. I'm just curious to see how it is ministering to you or not. If you want talk about it in calling now and maybe I'll get to some of these calls in the next hour as well which you stand with us.

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They have breath and friends will be taking calls today. Sit back and enjoy this prerecorded show. Did you hear the prediction that by the year 2040 atheism will be the dominant belief or nonbelief on the planet and have you seen how the pro-abortion movement is flailing will take all this up today right here on the line of fire stage for the line of fire with your host activist and author, international speaker and theologian Dr. Michael Brown your voice of moral cultural and spiritual revolution Michael Brown is the director of the coalition of conscience and president of fire school of ministry get into the line of fire now by calling 866-34-TRUTH. That's 866-34-TRUTH here again is Dr. Michael Brown looking friends into the line of fire broadcast today to spend an hour talking about atheism, about to dive into some telltale signs in the flailing ranks of the pro-abortion movement. I think you will be encouraged by that together discussion the number to call is 866-34-TRUTH 866-34-TRUTH 87884 to read my article on the moral and intellectual bankruptcy of the pro-abortion movement go to my website ask Dr. Brown.org and just click on latest article. I think you'll find it to be tremendously. I open 8664 truths. I just want to speak with someone very very quickly. This will be kind of a teaser for a future discussion that that will be having Edward Falzon are you there sir. Hello Michael how are you doing very well.

Where are you right now I am in Shanghai. I apologize if I reflect on CD all grumpy know all acts actually your NAC is correct. I am so I guess you're always kind of grumpy know I'm just kidding. Just I'm just joking you'll actually run.

I when I broadcast live from Hong Kong earlier this year I was casting from 3 to 5 every morning and the rest of it a full day of teaching so that should be okay. We definitely want to set up a time sir where you can come on we can have a whole hour may be more to interact on your beliefs or nonbelief. But we discussed throw this out now and then I I just downloaded sure your e-book of God through the first five books of Moses.

I just downloaded that last night and started to go through that saw I'll be ready for you, but just tell us your basic thesis and this is gonna frustrate our listeners because we'll be in and out really quick little segment and I'm about to switch subjects what to do, you little preview for our listeners.

What is your own viewpoint on the existence or nonexistence of the God of the Scriptures. Well, just briefly "being gay is ducking and at the age is not an analysis of the Bible is simply a retelling a shortened summarize them in formal retelling of the five books of Moses… Not a analysis of a more humorous and disrespectful version all of the books of Moses got my position on the biblically described God having great five copies of the Torah now and throughout a.m., Hebrew transliterated Hebrew version as well is that of the biblical God biblically described God does not exist and ADP. The garbage out there that exists. It's not the one that described in the Bible directly archaeologically logically impossible scientifically impossible, but of course my field. Normally I talk about model with my talks around the USA and Canada are talk about morality and how morality is not that different perceived origins of morality is often very different between Christians and atheists. I just got a jump in. Usually things out for us clearly and I very much appreciate you calling in at three in the morning gobbling will set the time and do a whole hour before they did bring up in the middle of the night I will talk these things through and adjustably well you will. I certainly will get some sleep and may the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob revealed himself to you in your dream officer. It's the light a fire with your host Dr. Michael Brown, the line of fire now by calling 866-34-TRUTH here again is Dr. Michael Brown Falzon. We just connected with them what the last 18 hours or less, and he immediately said Shirl come on the air and will discuss these things that he's an atheist and we are looking to set up an entire program may be due to whole hours with him.

Maybe I'll get one of my friends on to join me who's debated atheists over the years and listen friends we got nothing to be ashamed of, and nothing to worry about 866-34-TRUTH 87884 before I begin to talk to about what's happening in the pro-abortion movement is Wednesday.

On Wednesday we focus on the world on moral and cultural issues before I switch over to that subject I want to encourage that were on the side of truth that we never have anything to fear all of my studies were at secular universities Queens College and New York University in New York all of them with all my studies with professors who did not believe what I believed here and there, there might be a religious Jew but most of them were more secular. Some were were very anti-Scripture anti-fundamentalist belief.

Some even atheists. So my beliefs were challenge constantly and and then I was consciously challenged by my religious Jewish friends, rabbis and others so I I had my faith is a Jewish follower Jesus severely tested challenged intellectually and emotionally in terms of the appeal of the Jewish community being faithful and loyal to them along with the intellectual challenge and on and on and on. It was very real and very intense. But the more I took the challenges on head on the more my confidence group. We have answers. We have answers on the scientist, I have certain scientific understanding and information and understand enough of how things work to to be convinced that the more discovery scientists make the more they will recognize the existence of God, little be impossible to rationally deny that. But that the fact is I don't have all of the information, but I know people who have information, you may not be able to answer the rabbis but you know me and by God's grace we provided solid answers for the rabbis, so never run from questions but I don't mean that everyone should get every debate be because you might face things that they get you in over your head, and now you're struggling and and you decide you'd be the Savior of the whole world and your your online and your interacting with Muslims and with atheists with religious Jews with Hindus with new agers and with Mormons and with everybody else in your head spinning will spend quality time with God and his word and share the gospel with those whose hearts are open, but then if if you focus on particular areas and you hit a wall. Don't be discouraged because there are others in our family in the body who do have answers who done the study who put in the decades of hard teeth breaking work and they can provide you with solid truths. Okay before I switch subjects let me take one more call on atheism a Rev. Tom in Boston. Thanks for calling the line of fire by Dr. Brown how are you this afternoon and bless her thank you blessed by that the atheists don't know well you know I found something on Dr. Brown that might be of interest to you that I don't know if you'd seen it a few weeks ago off of Reuters and I'll try and be as brief as possible with it. It had to do a plants. Being able to do complex arithmetic calculations and I don't know. Sameness. But let me just bring it to break like plants do complex arithmetic calculations to make sure they have enough food to get them through the night. A new research published in the Journal of Eli shows scientists at Britain's John M center said plants adjust their rate of starch consumption prevent starvation during the night when they're unable to feed themselves with energy from the sun. They can even compensate for unexpected early like I do this by way of an internal clock that is inside this was just a really kind of an astounding discovery that the scientists had made and shows that the this is the first concrete example, in a fundamental biological process of such sophisticated arithmetic calculations that they were able to determine that the plan is able to do another interlacing when he says, is that during the night mechanisms inside the leaf measure the size of the starch stored in and estimate the length of time until dawn, and information about time comes from this internal clock much like is in a human body.

Well I started sharing this with some of atheists that I do know and they tried to tell me evolution, and I said okay I let out all except that, except how did the first plant, know that it was going to need this complex formula of arithmetic to get it through the night right and so then they have an answer for and ice about when it got no it's just that's the inevitable problem with somebody evolutionary series that the species would've died out before it made the adjustments that it needed to make and then waited get the understanding of the intelligence to make extract certain adjustments and you know some of pointed out that everything would've had to happen at the same time, and so on and so it it does become intellectually bankrupt in many ways. The problem is your average Christian doesn't have the information to refute that. You know it when we are confronted with someone who knows a lot of science and who has a lot of information and he tells us, it all fits in sequence at all makes perfect sense, especially if they have a nice British accent. A lot of times were intimidated by that but the more that we do, study, and the more we learn, I I am convinced that things like this will will be discovered more and more just like DNA there. It is intelligent information does not come from nothing. So the idea that the universe is that nothing created everything that that creates an obvious problem and then the idea that intelligent information comes from nothing.

It does not come from an intelligence will all of our intelligence tells us that can't be true then the whole idea that there was allegedly junk DNA and and you see the whole thing is kind of a mixture it now people are realizing wall that that has a function that we just didn't understand before. So it is no it's it's almost like you know your loan on some desert island you're the only person on the island you're an atheist and you wake up in in the morning and you are out there the night before and that you wake up in the morning is no one else on the island and all the rocks have come together in a in a long sentence spread out across the island that you follow and read and it says so you really think I don't exist. You really think these rocks are just here by coincidence. Texas law thinks like okay there's a message there and at a certain point you come to the conclusion. A lot of it is simply I will humble myself and admit that I am accountable to someone else is in us are exactly correct on. I agree with you and with everything that you said but you know I I think back to you, not something that you would for just a moment ago that oftentimes refill it. Maybe were not equipped because it generally speaking with somebody with various degrees, or with a great British accent or something, and Gen. Butler.

As I as I think about it. Just this very simple piece that I picked up off of Reuters you know you you don't need to know a lot of science. Just ask the question, how did the first plant, know that it was going to need arithmetic and need and able to do that for the next 24 hours, so it could survive the next 24 hours yet and that that similar phenomena has to be explained throughout the entire natural. He real quick. I'm going to break what was the name of that article again at a good title of it. Dr. Brown is square roots. Scientists say plants are good at math.as I was Reuters, I'd say within the last few weeks… I will look for either one of the most fascinating things is is B's finding finding honey and so Irby is is he's not finding of the produce honey, but B's finding sources of nutrition for them and you just watch on YouTube you how how bees calculate, but when I first saw this, were watching it with our daughters and our older daughters… I was just seems so preposterous that the bee flies back. He's found some good flowers whatever and he know that the scout be flies back and he does what looks like a little dance and what is telling all the bees is okay you go 1/2 mile straight and then you turn left 45° angle. Then you go another 300 yards here and then you turn right at any think we all know that's great but you to look up these calculating music. Okay, that just evolve the they just haven't they get to the wood to survive before they learn to calculate file.

The line of fire with your host Dr. Michael Brown get into the minor fire now by calling 866-34-TRUTH dear again Dr. Michael Brown pay for itself in the first month it was and we were well on the way to opening more clinics as a matter fact, her plan was to open three abortion clinics in 1983, so I can be a millionaire. 1984. All all it's it's not about money. No, it's not about money. The abortion industry does not exist to make money. It's just about helping women all sorts only religious leaders who get corrupted by money is that it 866-34-TRUTH rhetorical about atheism but were switching topics now to be the flailing nature of the pro-abortion movement 40 years ago Roe V Wade passed look like that that Supreme Court ruling efficiency past the Supreme Court Roe V Wade ruling legalizing abortion on demand for any reason at any time of the pregnancy that was it him is the way the ties can return on that especially young people more and more gonna buy into that and more promiscuous and less sharing family with family religious values and so on. Obviously you turn the tide with abortion.

Many of the countries around the world have abortion laws almost as liberal as America.

Some just as liberal and not much opposition from society and yet is been a constant grassroots opposition in our rising tide. 866-34-TRUTH 87884 and the moral and intellectual bankruptcy of the pro-abortion movement is being increasingly revealed. Listen to what MSNBC TV host Melissa Harris Perry had to say when does life begin answer depends on awful lot of the feeling of the parents powerful feeling but not science. Yeah I didn't make that up. Who would make that up. Life begins based on the feeling of the parents will. Her point was her larger point was that if you are expecting a child and wanting a child you feel one way about their pregnancy versus if it was an unwanted child, an unexpected pregnancy or something that have to do is when life begins when the feeling of the parent wears that lead wears that lead so let me tell you this Wednesday as we focus on the world a moral and cultural issues. Let me tell you where we stand today and why there is a rising tide of pro-life sentiments and sensibilities exposing the utter bankruptcy of the pro-abortion position could read my whole article on this town hall by going to ask Dr. Brown.org and just clicking on the latest article I really encourage you to read it and share it with your friends.

So the pro-abortion side is now faced with the following there faced with the beautiful reality of 3D and 4D ultrasounds making clear that the fetus in the womb is really a carefully formed developing baby is now impossible to deny that the little one seen with such clarity on the screen is a human life that is about to be snuffed out. That's what what is it 75 or 80% of women who see an ultrasound of their baby before having an abortion end up not having the abortion.

The pro-abortion side itself faced with the brutal reality of the houses of horror run by men like Dr. Kermit Gosnell and others with the unavoidable conclusion is that one the same doctors who kill babies in the womb had no problem killing babies outside the womb to the personal difference, no moral difference between killing a 20-week-old baby and the safety of its mother's womb and killing it. Seconds after it emerges from the womb pro-abortion side is also faced with moving stories from abortion survivors like Gianna Jessen even have their own network called the abortion survivors.com pro-abortion side is also faced with the younger generation that values fairness, equality and the rights of the victim.

Although this is often more gut level than rational the many young people to the wrong side of the homosexuality debate also explains why so many are becoming pro-life. Also, there faced with court rulings against Obama care is pro-abortion mandates there there faced with undercover videos by Lila Rose and others revealing the greed and heartlessness of abortion providers measure send a copy of this article to Lila and her team also. So there is a lot that is coming against the pro-abortion position and the woman simply say well is my body. It's my right to choose not, please recognize that that I am aware that there are very difficult cases and some of you agonized about having an abortion and NFL terrific ever since. I want you to know there is mercy of the cross. What you know it's not just some religious hype and in religious slogan is him. There is mercy at the cross Jesus paid for the sin of abortion as well. And even though you cannot recover that life in this world you can help many others to make right decisions and then if you know the Lord, you can be with your little one forever, and those of you that have had abortions and know the Lord and we talk about this. It opens up old wounds rather than turning the broadcast off turn it to prayer, turn my words to prayer, as we discussed these things because something is happening in America.

And yet, sadly, a, a lower percentage of Americans today say that we need to do something about abortion. In other words, at the same time that pro-life sentiments and sensibilities are rising with that we also see a different tendency, namely that more Americans are apathetic to that we come back to talk about some of the shocking, shameful things taking place on the pro-abortion side revealing the bankruptcy of the position on you make an argument some adjusters yelling and screaming at you. You see, they don't have much substance in the response that is the way things are unraveling unfolding in the pro-abortion side, but sadly tens of millions of Americans still support the ideology to the cost of more than 1,001,000,000 babies a year here in America.

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Yes, things are happening that not expect to happen, namely turn sentiments towards pro-life legislation now is to place in Texas and forthcoming in other parts of the country, making abortions after 20 weeks illegal calling for greater regulation of abortion clinics and so on. Of course their small small steps.

When you look at the massive horror of abortion and the toll on babies and the toll on mothers and fathers and our society. Things are happening. There is a shift in tied in many ways 866-34-TRUTH 784. As I wrote in my town hall article the in the in the wake of a rising tide of pro-life sentiments and sensibilities. In America the utter bankruptcy of the pro-abortion position is being revealed especially in its more militant forms it and I want to give you some examples of that and Joey. Let's get clip number 14 ready all right. More and more is being revealed in terms of what's happening behind the scenes more and more is being revealed in terms of the horrors of abortion, the more we see 3D and 4D ultrasounds with the babies really look like the more we understand that the more we see the horrors, especially some of these late-term abortion doctors who had no problem killing a baby outside the womb just as easily as inside the womb.

The medias try to not report on this, the secular media, but these things are still unavoidably coming before culture.

Many young people who have us hard for fairness and equality in and for the victim even though they often have not thought through the issues and come out on the wrong side of things. For example, with with homosexuality. Many are embracing a pro-life position so just to give you the background to this. This is a student investigative team at live action and they found Planned Parenthood of Bloomington, Indiana covering up the sexual abuse of a 13-year-old girl.

So let's play this clip to report helpful yet and what Planned Parenthood is going to do is help Khalil.

We don't have to report we don't have to report this. The employee was fired after this and how many times does this go on and let some let's plate clip 15 Joey soon as it's ready.

This is the second parts of the this is a live video that was secretly shot. This is what's been done more and more and more to expose what's happening the corruption behind the closed doors article hit regarding child abuse: just seen Randy 914 within your grade whenever problem solved solved. You told me 13 years old and out.

I didn't hear your you are required by law to report abortion provider Felix Monier was Shay Shay.

Let it be revealed. Penitence and life plan.

And it's the line of fire with your host Dr. Michael Brown voice of more cultural and spiritual illusion here again is Dr. Michael Brown did have it correctly in my notes. I just follow their it what was being covered up was that this it was a 30-year-old man this noncitizen 14-year-old kid in school, but again the horrific cover up no surprise though, no snow surprise.

Why would we expect there to be some kind of high ethic lofty ethic among Planned Parenthood employees 866-34-TRUTH so what has the pro-abortion side off off offered in response in response to the rising tide of pro-life sentiments and sensibilities. Well, Planned Parenthood is dropped its pro-choice monitor which was once considered a impregnable winning concept. Now it is adopted, the hopelessly self-defeating your baby will thank you. As I have pointed out only if the baby manages to escape the Planned Parenthood clinic alive.

The pro-abortion side has offered completely inane statements by the media for this one that I quoted from Melissa Harris Perry by the one that by the way, she's the same MSNBC host who wore a tampon earrings to protest the Texas abortion laws against Dakota directly. When does life begin. I submit the answer depends an awful lot on the feeling of the parents a powerful feeling but not science. The problem is that many of our policymakers wonderment based sweeping laws on those feelings.

Oh I didn't know the policymakers wanted to base laws primarily on feelings not on science. Hey, if you do based on science and based on his. This may be a baby, let's look at the ultrasound this go one direction and one directional and let's call the direction of pro-life out. You even have statements like this absolutely murderous statements by so-called medical ethicists. What an oxymoron, leading to outlandish headlines like this in Britain's telegraph, killing babies, no different from abortion.

Experts say that the headline attributes this to experts, medical ethicists, no less. The article continues. Parents should be allowed to have their newborn babies killed because they are quote morally irrelevant and initializes no different to abortion, a group of medical ethicists linked to Oxford University as argued, then the pro-abortion side is come up with pathetic ads like the one celebrating the 40th anniversary of Roe V Wade featuring black actor may hug or a child, Brooks Sarver, making his name Hebrew with the CH there.

There was so dreadful that Erica taxes commented when I first watched the set I thought this has to be a smooth and employs the ugly racial stereotype of a smooth talking black predator celebrating his freedom to swim at zero cost himself a baby hook up with me and then go have an abortion. Are they kidding know this was no spoof pro-life tide is rising, and as it does. It's revealing the bankruptcy morally and intellectually of the pro-abortion side 866-34-TRUTH. Let's go to Texas but will go instead to Robert in San Francisco. Thanks for calling the line of fire. I you're welcome. I wanted to project. Coeducational, recurrent or pro-lifer show called life report… Drunk to donate and they relieved. Way both died.

The pro-choice argument I gave about diet. Measure out the pro-life side went out got it all right. So when folks find that dietary YouTube life report are pro-life… Alright everybody get that pro-life podcast.net one word of course pro-life podcast.net and I'm actually looking at the website right now so you're saying this will go through arguments on both sides. Here's an endorsement by Allan's Limon speaker, trainer would stand to reason.

This is life report is a must for anyone seeking a timely and insightful analysis of current pro-life issues. Robert how old are you I 20.

Obviously you can't speak for your entire generation. But in your lifetime. Have you seen a shift in views among your peers or not. Talk to people about it in and out of college while working in Canada about the general culture.

Many close ranks right now that I would dilettante about God is all right.

Will he appreciate the candid answer and and keep giving out the good resources may Lord be with you out there in San Francisco.

Thanks for the call right thank you all right 866-34-TRUTH Stephen in Clearwater Florida. Thanks for calling the line of fire.

I got back about I just thought you know that I certified teacher family living, including sex education and the work many years of your city public schools are challenging the comprehensive sex education programs.

How did you manage to do that and keep your job. I worked in a very violent school and was still busy putting out fires that I was pretty economist classical while they called and told me I had to teach about kind, so I did. I explained to the cage. First of all, Dr. condoms, and little shield aluminum foil packets and they have to be shipped when they tell you about the reliability of the testing is done. It point of production that point-of-sale. Another way to expect that the factory but they ship it in metal container cart. What happens when you take a late text for the little metal foil packet box and put it into a big semitruck in the summer it cooked in the winter freezes in both integrity and destroy the integrity of the late text. No better point-of-sale sitting in a drugstore.

Whatever that the failure rate is really one adequately so Planned Parenthood devious and horrible situation coming conventional kids. It's their right to have sex but they have cut same-sex own well that one out of three eventually start young girls in high school to high school will become pregnant and go there for the report. I still have to get all right not limit that we possess this real real quick. How the kids you were dealing with in in public schools. How old were they when they got sexually active. On average, what was the youngest one site I taught for over 30 years paradigm shift and are morality but you sure you back when I was in college kids will experiment with drugs and check out get drunk on the high school. Now you have kids who are right, elementary, middle school age heartbreaker hovel on cultural impact on their church at the impact of the culture but the culture and church, what would you attribute the massive shift to Stephen Ali took out prayer, the Bible, the 10 Commandments at the school and asked me about the check out prayer can come in the Bible that we have guns, drugs, and a kind of what you think is better on because we are morality because it's really disturbing that we have all these arguments. The site, but the facts during credible facts late text is a lot of under microscope.

It will cycle we hadn't back material and natural storage space used in this week added are, I'll fight my clutch, but against viruses 1/10 of my clock. In other words, the virus is 50 times smaller than the poison the late text. They actually don't stop AIDS transmission HIV-AIDS.chlamydia, which is the right kind effect. Many, even if they could, they still have to be handle taken on economic, yelling out her pubic hair, leaving spaces and what can't a teenager ditching pickup his clothes off the floor is going to handle this absolutely horrible that we are Nelly sexualizing the kids are lying to them telling them that they cannot safe sex, and even if they don't get drunk at a busy terrible impact on young girl having sex is a balm implications there's self-esteem implications. This will make things go along with why isn't there full in the pro-life movement, exposing the fact that condoms are ineffectual against pregnancy and a starkly don't stop transmission of the AIDS Stephen you know it's a tremendous question and I don't have an answer for. I know there are many friends of mine courageously on the front lines of the pro-life and their anything. Also against birth control and general for the reasons that's a fair question to ask presented an argument is the line of fire with your host Dr. Michael Brown get into the line of fire now calling 866-34-TRUTH here again is Dr. Michael Brown joining us on the line of fire, 866-34-TRUTH were talked about how the rising tide of the pro-life movement is revealing the moral and intellectual bankruptcy of the pro-abortion movement to read my entire article on that which is posted this morning go to ask Dr. Brown.org and click on the latest article at the same time the pew research report from earlier this year indicated that the just seven years ago. Just seven years ago, Americans felt that about 20% of Americans felt that abortion was a critical issue in today only 18% and that's still the clear majority of Americans say they don't want to see the complete overturn of Roe V Wade. So even though things are moving forward. There is much work to be done. 86634 back to the phones of Leonard and Hazel Texas. Thanks for calling on a fire draw the farm for over 30 years and not always wondered about the white one issue that really bothered me over the years and that the that Chris do we we can do believe that like beginning at conception that my wrong you think that that would be the normal pro-life view among conservative Christians that life begins at conception. Absolutely okay well why we barely get birth control pill.

The political will prevent implantation of a portal like they at one of the local method for production pregnancy, but especially once the come to that point we can protect you. You think about. I think it's a fair question. Teresa looking at the clock and I'm thinking to do this realistic justice.

We need to have a whole discussion about the issue of birth control in general is it out to God to open, close the womb and then what about abortion pills. I've I've had this raised to me in the past as a honest, I haven't focused on this, a focus on the larger question of birth control in general. And then, in particular pro-life but let let's say this Leonard. I will make a note that this is something to include belief. We do discuss at length the issue of a birth control at all and then the issue of what happens with abortion pill now that there are the challenges to Obama care with Hobby lobby the Protestant groups in the Catholic groups and they have different standards in terms of what they're refusing to pay in terms of with Obama care. These issues get to come up more more so I do not have a good answer for you. I'm gonna put on the shelf for now is something to come back to. Fair enough.

All right hey friends, if I have good answers are given to if I don't know. There may be a good answer, but I don't have it off the top of my head.

It has been something relevant in in my own family or or our own lives, so I can't address it as something active in my in my thoughts right now and therefore coaches will you be superficial. Throw away answer me grandma Moore called George in Mount Holly, New Jersey. Thanks so much for calling the line of fire. Sure sure what I would like 827 years.

I meet Rico during the morning and we use Scripture, we offer them help me take a right into our house at talkies Lady, Fortner children I go to to get 20 S. Jersey hidden nonviolence.

Back in 1988 at 54 abortion schedule April 2 trimester are you here, not even an amatory facility that means you don't fix much. Now it's time to the point where it's commonplace to Medicaid paid 2020, never would have him.now rivers more more later term abortion is not the reason why the government came toward me, cannot provide air medical transport do not pay for 14 to 19 numbers every day. We got there because we got Armando Brown got a lot of my leg, but that's a whole another story. Just George, let me just jump in.

Though NSU couple questions really quickly. Are you there yelling and screaming at the women or you there simply offering to talk are you are you not worshiping prior when I doing their doctors told him in Cherry Hill. I'm not a child, we do children ask my wife and I to abortion would be going after the baby to open up why we picture the baby understanding amounted to the slaughtered abortion here in America so I finally came I talked and wanted to get nurse at your doctor what you doing here why you working on. I can't get a job anywhere outside prepping for surgery on the note under 206 not make much like a funeral department comes in every day they can only conjecture one day to kill the next day the baby is washed out of whatever method that you want, we talked out of it and abortion, and she went down 16 weeks which was $1100 dollars. The concert we talked about it. We took in the preface to Their baby. They sent us a picture but took a picture of their rate sheet, which I 495, 27 weeks 4.20 $2700, an increase in a church been afraid of this. I'm going to leave you with every Christian it and it may not be correct impinging on click this Rosetta time real quick. Joe Paterno thought the cochair and he described conducting can't read Susan George, I just got a jump in where looking young which is not a time.

We're looking the other way is abortions are being committed all around the seven even though it happened exactly exactly exactly George. Keep up the good work. Be strong in the Lord my God usually is grace be upon you may shine for Jesus call me the other day. We'll talk some more. All right friends stand with me stand with me as we are on the front lines in so many ways and and touching on subjects. A lot of folks are running from. We do need your support and help. But I want to thank you by sending you a tremendous debate between Dr. James white myself on the issue of Calvinism and is conducted with the spirit of grace and civility. Two hours early $20 plus postage. But yours is my thank you gift for your gift of any size so stand with us that are still become a monthly supporter torchbearer call 1-800-278-9978. That's 1-800-278-9978. My bottom line today. Life will triumph over death light will triumph over darkness.

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