Helpful and Harmful Protests; and Powerful Stories of “Coming Out”

Sexual scandals in Hollywood tomorrow in the NFL protests to ex-gay testimonies stage for the line of fire with your host activist and author, international speaker and theologian Dr. Michael Brown your voice of moral cultural and spiritual revolution Michael Brown was the director of the coalition of conscience and president of fire school of ministry get into the line of fire valves like always 866-34-TRUTH that's 866-34-TRUTH your Jim is Dr. Michael Brown. We are going to wade right into the controversies today. Not to stir for the controversy but to bring some light to bring some clarity welcome to the broadcast. This is Michael Brown. Thanks for joining us today for never the same as always 866-34-TRUTH 8784 866-34-TRUTH if you'd like to call comment get involved in the discussion.

Let's start with Hollywood party wants done very, very powerful Hollywood executive now fired by his own company for alleged sexual scandals for being somewhat of a sexual predator now different actresses coming forward saying yes he did this to me. Yes he did this and I'm not here to condemn him.

I don't think he's a believer have no knowledge that he is wanting to find the Lord, and find repentance and wholeness.

There on the here to condemn him or attack him. But what concerns me about all this is that number one these things these alleged sexual scandals were known for years and years and years and basically were tolerated or swept under the rug until wanting to three prominent actresses. Others began to come forward and say this happened and it was too much to deny different people with platforms began to announce this too much to deny. The problem is that this was swept under the rug for so long and in here's my bigger issue will get into this more as the show progresses.

Here's my bigger issue Hollywood itself is so grounded and founded on sexual exploitation. From what I understand these kinds of things were fairly common, and for years if some young actress wanted to get ahead, she'd be expected to compromise certain values with certain executives and certain people and then how are you going to get ahead. If you're attractive what you gotta show more flesh and you gotta present the sexual side of yourself and this is what's going to sell and yes, plenty of actresses go along with this willingly, but that's also the industry and then there are the accounts of childhood actors who talk about being sexually abused as children as minors, not just teenagers but even younger and say this is been swept under the rug and and major names and big players are involved with this, and yet it continues to happen now. God knows everything going on again. My purpose is not to say you're all wicked sinners are going to hell for all going to hell as we consider is without God's mercy right that's on my purpose here. My purpose is to say there is hypocrisy there is hypocrisy in the outrage because surely many of the people who are outraged today were fully aware of the abuses and and I I have little question that some of those who are expressing outrage today, themselves, were engaged in various types of's exploitation and that again Hollywood itself. The movies the things that sell sex cells right attractive young lady. She is going to be exploited to the max. For whatever can bring in an audience. This is the way it works. This is what Hollywood makes its money and not all of its money and gifted people in Hollywood and gifted actors and actresses, producers and directors and screenwriters and video people. All I acknowledge that creative PI acknowledge all that. But the issue is you have access exploitation all culture now getting outrage that one of the major executives is allegedly a sexual predator. Why the surprise why the outrage does this stuff go on behind the scenes all the time. Business part and parcel of what Hollywood industry operates on. Isn't this important possible larger culture of's exploitation will be right back. Talk about the NFL file line of fire with your host Dr. Michael Brown get into the reminder file now by calling 866-34-TRUTH dear again is Dr. Michael Brown. I back and tell good friend of mine, the black brother sent me a clip by the daily show's Trevor Noah explaining the frustration that black Americans feel when white Americans tell them when they can and cannot protest and I watch the clip and and I was somewhat surprised and even disappointed's Trevor Noah was obviously very sharp guy. He's funny, he's got a brilliant use of sarcasm is cutting with his humor, but he's certainly a sharp thinking God.

He's taking issue with comments made by Stephen Nguyen basically saying it's wrong to protest the anthems and any he takes issue with this. I want you here. Trevor Noah had to say against the players protesting just doesn't like it when they do it on the field know when everyone's watching where someone else can imagine Nguyen giving that advice to Rosa Parks is like hey Rosa why he protesting on the bus people and places to be. Take the bus to your house down on your couch protest from home racism so okay Trevor.

You're obviously missing the point here she was protesting having to give up her seat on the bus to a white person that's what she was put she was protesting that think that's what she did on the bus.

You have cameras on the bus even have media watching the bus you have some big scene on the bus and the whole world watching, and that's why she chose that place to protest. No, just passengers on the bus she gets arrested for it and then it gets into the news, and civil rights leaders then used her as a good representation of the segregation that black Americans face but that's the thing she was protesting having to give up her seat on the bus. This was not something states the other people would see it with a maximum audience of that was the case, go somewhere else. Cameras were to be no she was protesting that thing with the NFL players union said no, no, no one is disrespecting the flag and no one is protesting the flagger disrespecting the country so the reason the players were kneeling in the first place.

They are now saying it's not disrespecting the flag but they did it in that setting. Not just because their cameras are. These are NFL players have cameras on them a lot. They can easily get an audience know. Listen to what Colin Said the one who began the protest. I am not going to stand up to show pride in the flag for a country that oppresses black people and people of color. He chose that because that's what he was protesting in here. I've encouraged NFL players in dialogue with one NFL player about this. Not to protest at that time for strategic purposes. I'm not telling you what you can and can't do as people of color were American citizens or football players. I'm simply saying it's not a good strategic protest. Why because it gives the appearance that it is disrespecting the flag it gives the appearance is disrespecting veterans black-and-white and others who have sacrificed for America, given their blood for America. It gives that impression and it draws hostility towards them instead of solidarity. There plenty of other ways you can protest marches work very effectively there other ways. Gather plays together make a joint statement do something in the inner city announce a media event. Get key owners to get put out statements about where the racial injustices where the oppression is where things are all there many good ways to protest Martin Luther King and the civil rights leaders had to look for the right ways to protest. In fact, Rosa Parks as as you all know Rosa Parks was not the first one to refuse to give up her seat.

There was another young black woman and she refused to give up her seat and civil rights leaders were going to make her the face of the cause against segregation. The case against segregation. Then they found out she was pregnant out of wedlock and thought that would not work well. All were talking about is being strategic here and Rosa Parks did what she did, because that's what she was protesting. So if you agree with, And you want to protest the flag and what it stands for. Then go ahead and do it, but you're going to draw more opposition than solidarity.

It's going to hurt the cause.

If it's not about the flag like NFL players union said is one of my friends in the NFL said that the players not to protest the fight and that's the wrong time to do it. So again Trevor Noah takes issue with this idea of there's an appropriate place not appropriate place in the principle of the worst example you can brought up back to Trevor Noah in order so the term administration is okay with protesting okay as long as it's on your own time, unless you ESPN commentator Jamal Hill criticizing the president on your private 20 feet then that's a viable offense to worst possible example number one ESPN now infamously liberal fires Curt Schilling, a baseball hero and legend fires Curt Schilling why because on his private Facebook page on his personal Facebook page he posts a meme taking issue with a man who's obviously a male wanted to use the ladies bathroom and because that would upset LGBT activists and their allies. He was fired for doing this and he was told that that the commentators are not to engage in political statements. He was fired for this. Jamal Hill calls Donald Trump a white supremacist and is not fired for that, but she's reprimanded because ESPN is said we do not want you getting involved in political statements. If your sportscaster that's who you are. That's what we want you talking about, so she's reprimanded words. Curt Schilling was fired for far less. Offense all right. And then two weeks later she gets upset and she tweets again and this time she's given a two-week suspension. She had been born. This is a policy for everyone, so a white guy, Curt Schilling is fired. Even though he's a baseball legend recently posted on Facebook Jamal Hillel second time around that she breaks the policy which is been recently reinforced by ESPN. She only gets suspended for two weeks. It looks like if there's anything unequal. It's the treatment of white conservatives. But then again, do I even have a right to speak, because after all, I am a white conservative.

According to Simone Sanders on CNN. Really I can even weigh in on this. Listen to this heated discussion in the town like that will think about race Simone not for you.

It is about actually about that lately about me. All right, so just get this right.

I cannot give recommendation black friends, colleagues or others so you know, I don't think this works well. I think this works better if you have a message to get out here is a better way to do it because you don't want to be perceived as unpatriotic or on grateful to the sacrifice that others have made for our freedoms of freedoms that were all trying to join of some have more freedoms and others.

Let's address that. Let's address that, let's do our best to bring this to the surface know I'm not the spokesman for racial inequality. America I'm awake and ceramic the spokesman for let those who suffered more let them come to the forefront and let me help get their message out absolutely. But to tell me that I don't have the right to comment on what what what kind of nonsense that let's go little further what when VP Mike pence went to the in the Napa coats Indianapolis Colts San Francisco 49ers game. And what about 20 49ers players knelt during the anthem and he got up and walked out after that said, I'm lucky to be part of something with the flags is disrespected. There were black players like San Francisco 49ers player Eric Reed who took issue but why on what gives a white a white man. No right to to say when a black man can protest, but a black man can tell a white male when he can protest that Eric Reed has the right to tell the VP that he shouldn't protest only one side gets to protest only one side gets to say when it's right to protest.

This is bogus. Sort. Here's the bottom line.

Do we want America to be great black, white, Hispanic, Asian, whoever we are, do we want America to be a great country and I think we'll do we want America to be a country that's really country of justice and equality. I believe Trevor Noah from South Africa me for America.

I believe we both want America to be a great country, a country of freedom a country of justice lobbies, they have different perspective on what's right and wrong, but we want it. So rather than smashing and bashing each other. Let's have constructive conversations based on facts based on truth, not just based on the E emotionally laden and emotionally charged, talking points that miss the point entirely. Let's put truth on the table and let's do it in a constructive way for the good of everyone is that too much to ask right friends would come back. Feel free to weigh in on my comments. Feel free to interact with me. I absolutely welcome that I want to go back to Hollywood for a few more minutes and are sexually charged culture will talk about that will talk about hypocrisy and to what extent we in the church are complicit in that some it's a way to say what is and if you voted for Donald Trump near the worst hypocrite of all because he's a sexual predator himself up for question put it on the table. We come back here and a lot of fun and it's the line of fire with your host Dr. Michael Brown your voice and more cultural and spiritual revolution. Here again is Dr. Michael.

Looking back here to help articulate what is right what is wrong fully to be of voice for use express things that are on your heart, your mind, 866-3487 84 again one more word about the protests. If the players are meaning to say I cannot stand for this leg. Because this flag represents things wrong to me, then let that be known and if they get fired if they lose their jobs if the owners could challenge Kelly firing not Jerry Jones is said if you don't stand, you don't play if you don't stand for the anthem you sit during the game.

Roger Caddell, who's anything but a conservative in anything but is no real raw Trump card from what I know Roger Caddell has has said basically, everyone's gotta stand for this. You do not want to be perceived as unpatriotic but can't Give the full quote is this. I am not going to stand up to show pride in the flag for country that oppresses black people and people of color.

To me this is bigger than football and it would be selfish on my part to look the other way. Their bodies in the street and people getting paid leave and getting away with murder. So if you share those sentiments in your player you say I am not standing for that flag and for what it represents. So be it.

Have your convictions and then have the consequences of them for good or for bad. Everyone that takes a stand of some popular suffers consequences. We all do in our personal lives with a friend with a colleague ministry and work shirt. We all do. And if you feel that that's not what I'm intending to convey. That's not my issue here is my issue and try to draw attention to it. Then the recommendation is fine. Other ways to draw attention to it that don't send the wrong message of someone whom I don't know what I will mention the name his own attack personally on radio and YouTube, but on the twitter someone responding to my article about the NFL protests said like most people have a problem with the protest you show complete lack of empathy and you're also deflecting away from the root issue, but actually whoever wrote this completely wrong. I am empathetic to issues that black Americans face. I am do I understand.

And from the viewpoint of a black American will have cannot and grow up as a black American black skin. So how can I fully relate but I have in the friends of articulated things and I know that I just making stuff up and I remember years past and said I having a discussion since got me hard going to black America supports America not all the other parts yes still to this day. Obstacles and issues and difficulties that a white person will face that's that's reality. Let's keep addressing it. I felt the way Obama dressings. Pres. Obama was divisive and destructive. I obviously Pres. Trump is been more of a device to present the unifying president so there is been further fueled everybody's fires through both of these presidencies. I understand so I think they're right ways to do things wrong ways. Constructive versus destructive. That's my issue here, there, there are issues I'm not deflecting away from the root issue.

I'm trying to say let us look at the root issues, whatever they are and by doing so we can make progress together. Yet there are few Americans that there are a small minority on all sides that are racists, whoever they are, whatever their background and that despise other people because of their ethnicity because the color of their skin or whatever. That's a small minority of Americans in the cuts across all groups right give ultra-Orthodox Jews were racist. You have anti-Semites who are Hispanic or Asian, who are black or white you it's all these things going all different directions. My issue is.

Let's major on the majors. And right now the protest to become a thing of themselves and if taken away from issues and you've got creative people in the media. You've got gifted spokespeople among the players you've got coaches and owners who are people of influence, surely they would get a message out there many good ways to do it.

They don't need me to come up with them. 86634 to let's go to the phones in West Valley City, Utah Kurt, welcome to the line of fire where you one bit about the important one like diabetic garlic dinner for me when running with the candidate running for president hello many of the religion people of on the radio asking for him both premium simply because the life I kept thinking to myself now.

Of all the bombast between the amount of heard about the businessman and at the person one being what qualified him to be President of the United States.

And so maybe the people that he would be willing to doing that, and I myself did exactly how endocrine is done with them about since you currently say this letter it says to this. It numbering one. I agree with the idea that a populist movement, a nationalist movement, a very strongly patriotic movement that gets too far that goes too far. That becomes hyper nationalistic after all Nazis district for for national and German right so I believe I agree that you can go so far with a hyper patriotic hyper nationalistic message that you end up bringing someone into power.

Who's a despot and a tyrant. I believe that can actually happen.

No question. I agree with you.

However, let me ask that it would limit the Kurt Kurt Kurt, let me ask you this. If we had been in the days of slavery and Donald Trump had been the same person as far as scandals and issues and so on.

But he was a very very strong candidate to free the slaves and the other candidate was a strong diehard proslavery candidate that even wanted to increase the importing of slaves from Africa.

Could you understand religious people saying we don't like Trump in many ways we have concerns about him, but our big, big number one issues freeing the slaves and therefore were to vote for him because that's what we did here on out the window but you chance my question or could you 7A. All beer right away.

Obviously it would've been better and that's what happened in in other words, people that I know that voted for Trump at of 17 Republican candidates. He was number 17. He was there last choice, but they knew they had to vote against Hillary. They knew that that a vote for for Hillary was a vote for the slaughter of the unborn and attack on a religious rights and they said as much, as we have issues with Trump use the better candidate.

All you wrote: agree American. No, you don't want it and that will be here, but they've already voted on the numeric wanted Americans voted on abortion in America wanted. When did America vote on abortion want yeah I see Kurt you're just not looking at some of the facts here Donald trumps baggage made very difficult for many to vote but my wife Nancy struggled mightily and to this day struggles mightily that she voted is not an easy decision for us to make, but we felt, given the choice that a candidate it's the line of fire with your host activist, author, international speaker and theologian Dr. Michael Brown voice of more cultural and spiritual revolution get into the line of fire now by calling 664 through here again is Dr. Michael Brown on an article just why transgender activism will not succeed in changing where if you haven't read the article you go to a website asked Dr. Brown, K.

DR Brown.org for my latest articles and latest videos and I explained there that biological differences are two fundamental that male-female distinctives are two real that our culture is not going to say when you see the ultrasound were having a human or were having a child in a female body but we don't know if it's a Borg were just talking to do that when the babies born. Let's name him Jordan. Let's name her Jessica as opposed to let's not name it until it decides what it is that's just not going to be the dominant culture, nor are we going to change all of our communication so that everybody has to use certain gender pronouns as people prefer there's a penalty it's it's only going go support. That's what I believe that some people read the article and said to me, transgender activism is really changed America I wish to write all I know changes have come, but I believe that the pushback will continue. That will only go so far.

If I'm wrong Gordon were in big trouble were in very big trouble because you talk about society that can't be sustained when you break down gender distinctions. You just have not just sexual anarchy but social anarchy will get an email today if you haven't heard the news, Pete Williams, NBC news.com Boy Scouts will admit girls allow them to earn Eagle Scout rank.

This just today the Boy Scouts of America announced Wednesday.

The girls will soon be allowed to become Cub Scouts to earn the coveted rank of evils Eagle Scout organization's highest honor we believe is critical to involve our programs meet the needs of families interested in positive and lifelong experiences for their children so involving means that the boy scout. Let me try this again for for a scout's as in males.

The boy scout's will now admit girls yeah you find any contradiction there any problem with that. Well, there is another reason that ultimately ultimately yeah, kid scouts exactly kid scouts living on Cubs combats whatever this another reason, though, that ultimately LGBT activism will fail, doesn't mean we don't care about those who struggle with same-sex attraction doesn't mean we don't we don't care about those who struggle with gender identity know we been sensitized to an end. Perhaps many of us demonized anyone gay will. You must be some sexual predator.

You must have a thousand sexual partners you must be some terrible Easter sooner when I have family and you certainly raise kids in certain demonic demonized stereotypes of people yet. We've become more sense that we have a family member, friend that identifies us LGBT and we become more sensitive and understanding that's that's all good, that's all great but the fact is there are people on a regular basis who come out of homosexuality. There are people who once identified as gay and were actively homosexual and embracing homosexuality, embracing gay relationships, celebrating them even activist for their cause, and now they no longer identifies gay some have even seen their homosexual attractions dissipate and disappear and are heterosexual with happily married others have seen a diminishing of homosexual attractions in a way that gives them much more eternal peace and they are very happily singles we come back. I want to talk to about coming out ministries about the ultimate coming out not coming out as gay but coming out of identifying escape will be joined by Michael Carducci, Vice Chairman, cofounder of the senior speaker of coming out ministries become the line of fire with your host Dr. Michael Brown get into the line of fire now by calling 86. Here again is Dr. Michael Brown, Jeanette attracting some gay men about which is the moral issues that I mentioned a good friend of mine who come out of homosexuality should know it doesn't happen that doesn't exist. Such people don't exist and and I I I asked I asked okay what he means is this this about either he's in denial is bisexual.

He was never gay, is the first time. This is decades ago. The first time I heard this idea that you can't change the social thing is escape Michael Carducci's ministry leader and the addresses his history from living in the homosexual culture being sexually addicted for over 20 years accepting Jesus was the beginning of the discovery of healing the ministry coming out ministries.org coming out ministries.org Michael, welcome to the line of fire. Thanks much for joining us today on here Michael for how long have you heard this idea that people like you don't exist. I bought into it. I believe that all of my most of my adult life until I was 40 years old really and and if if you had to tracing your own life if someone civil why did you the homosexual was those years.

Is it something that is far she knows all your life. That's who you were. Can you say will I think there are elements in my life that contributed to my homosexuality you know. At 40 years old coming into relationship with Christ that I want to know why that happened. I wanted to know why I sent my earliest thought that I was a girl trapped in a boy's body struggling with gender identity and center till I was 20 years old, but the Lord showed me through different research science that I was reading it. Also, sermons and just talking to people independently because there were no resources out there that I was aware of but as I started exploring that the Lord started to show me that there were hereditary and cultivated tenancy that were contributing to my eye homosexual identity so being transgender at the earliest age I was surrounded by feminine and had three sisters and a mom. My dad was in the Navy so he be gone 3 to 6 months at a time when my dad was home.

He was raging, angry, hotheaded, Italian, and so I he was also abusive. So for me before the years of even consciousness.

There's this thing called defensive detachment that happened I will be before I was conscious that masculinity was either unavailable for me, or undesirable. And so even if I was conscious I had rejected it.

I like my mom's femininity.

I like that you often and available to me and nurturing so I decided that that was going to be my identity. It followed me until I was 20 years old. The fact that is the mystery became the attraction and I didn't know how to stop these thoughts inside my head and attractions so that the time I was 20. I just gave into them trying to follow a Christian life and thinking that maybe if I had a girlfriend that things would change and then never did. Also bobbing in trapped in fantasy and probation help to keep those images Armstrong inside of my mind. So in 20 years old I came out into gay culture, thinking that if I had a monogamous relationship with one man that maybe God would understand the basically I really was turning my back on religion altogether because it just wasn't working. But as I came in to the gay culture. I like that masculinity was more valuable than femininity and what I needed was male affirmation which I found but still not in the way that God had intended. And so the gender dysphoria on actually melted away and I was actually 20 years old finally comfortable with my male part and I never struggled with that again and imagine what would happen if in my teens, I would've been on female hormone and had been mutilating surgeries and then all the Senate 20 years old being trapped into this is what I call purgatory limbo of identity yeah what if you had when you were 10 starts going hormone blockers. The onset of puberty and never even develop as as a man as you were intended to by God and so's at the age of 20, then you are are now in embracing your your maleness, but looking for male affirmation now evenly you know it's wrong, maybe gobble, except if I'm just in a monogamous relationship with with another man from your experience, you're not speaking for everyone, but from your experience as it and out and proud homosexual man over a number of years. Is there something about gay culture or specifically gay male culture that is different than heterosexual culture absolutely coming into gay culture really wanted to settle down in a relationship with one person, but I realize coming into gay culture that that there is fierce it, like there are no rules because society doesn't acknowledge it or whatever the promiscuity was rampant and I believe that there was every illicit situation I encountered was almost like it would satisfy for the moment, but it never really gave me ultimate satisfaction and I, related to Proverbs 27 seven talking about and I paraphrase, that somebody that had a full meal. They don't need dessert but the somebody was starting. Even something bitter will satisfy and all of those potential, started to satisfy for the moment, but they left me emptier and emptier and I believe that that was the driving force and that is I believe the the of the essence of gay culture especially well.

In particular, my experience, I know you just as this now that society is more embracing of same-sex marriage, and in Supreme Court ruled on it and in that sense it's the law of the land. Do you think that that's had an effect on gay culture, I think. Given more prominence to it, but I don't think it's changed the aspen of the promiscuity and I've been out of it now for 17 years so I may not be the one to be able to answer that completely. But according to the statistics of the steps are still just as high of promiscuity right so 20 years. This is who you are with God dealing with you during that time. It was amazing. At 17 I just prayed to die. I don't want to live. I knew what was coming at 20 years old. I figure they got to turn his back on me so I was turning my back on him. Not able to get my religion and my identity to come together.

I just walked away and what was so amazing. Is it wasn't until I was 44 years old, four years after I was baptized that I realized that I was angry because God didn't take my life. At 17, and that was because I wasn't ready. Still struggling with masturbation fantasy.

But I realize now at 44 he finally gave me the victory over the sexual acting out the pornography. The masturbation and I realized that it took 20 forgot to really answer that prayer and that was mind blowing to think that he would allow me to go that far away from him and that they would still be hopeless for me. Let me tell you some Dr. granite wasn't because of my prayers. It was because during that time I was out and away from God. I have three sisters that were praying for me and I believe it was prayers were answered as got me out of that environment in my life was edified-my gay my gay identity. I was a hairdresser and an aerobics instructor.

I live in a gay neighborhood. I drove the gay car. I had a gate on so you know it's amazing when people was a gay dog in the gay car one, fly like convertible with cow covers seats and a Chihuahua and a little pink tutu that qualifies for qualified rights in the is that since you you lived the life right so just a note, but my producer the today is national coming out Day. This is a a course when people be encouraged young people will come out as gay but you came out the ultimate coming out came out of homosexuality. What resistance did you get when you began to break away from your old lifestyle. Well I got my was baptized with a boy sexual addiction and you know the pastor would not have done that had he known my history or even taken the time to ask, but again you know God's ways are not our ways and his thoughts are not about and I was baptized and and thought that I come out of the water and I'd be straight, ready to marry and have but it came about a water molecular back realizing that I was beginning a journey with Jesus Christ and that it was going to take time to address the header hereditary and cultivated tenancy.

You know it being national coming out day.

I like to use that term and I think all right, let's use it (second Peter 29 with that coming out of darkness and indicative of life let out of of the darkness that's been enshrouded over even Christianity now promoting that homosexuality is acceptable to God, which goes against his word. What it really does is it makes Christ impotent. It says that the power of Jesus Christ is not alive today like it was years ago and come out of that darkness and into the light of the fact that God does change people coming out ministries.org to find out more coming out ministries.org Mike we just got 30 seconds before the segments of what resources will people find a coming out ministries.org you finished and released this year is called journey interrupted and it's five individual stories and is a cliffhanger in in that movie the documentary talking about not only the struggle, the identity issues and what I would like to have people praying for us and pulling it out at myself in the fact that it's got journey and brings us back to wholeness on our website. We also have multiple resource and disease theories that we've done on Christian television today would sit stay right there. I've got another question. On the other side of the break in the line of fire with your host Dr. Michael Brown voice of moral cultural and spiritual revolution. Here again is Dr. Michael Brown. Thanks again part of the castle says America national coming out Day come out as gay commands, lesbian, bisexual, transgender commanders who you really are. We're same. I guess Michael Carducci of coming out ministries.org note come out the ultimate we can, of darkness into light come out of sexual bondage come out of the flesh come into the spirit by liberty and new life in Jesus. Michael, as you been speaking, it's clear that you have actually experienced transformation yourself so that it's not just that you came out of homosexual identity and living with manner sleeping with men but that you have had a change in your own sexual desires romantic attractions is that is that accurate you know around them somewhere on that spectrum and hide anything was possible but nothing years ago I actually had my first attraction to the opposite sex, so it kind of light in a bucket.

Again, but I still II think that when my masculinity is threatened when I feel inadequate as a male. When I feel like that I don't measure up. That's when same-sex attraction is the strongest and I can go to God and I can have to make a Lord, will you remind me that you made a meal that mail and that you are intentional about it and think I like that with him.

He affirms that to me and and regardless of what people say or or even my feelings that you know that cry out, you know, he affirms again and I'm okay and and that's been this process of admitting mad and surrendering that the God and and experiencing that wholeness again so so someone says to the last question is if someone says to Michael not being true to yourself. Look really are gate just embrace it and be happy and be satisfied and quit living in such inner conflict and deny what would you say to that person. You know that I was in limbo on that and it took a couple of years and I wasn't until I saw the testimony of Sy Rogers and I thought to myself, if God could do it for that man, then he could do something for me because I kept thinking that God was going to blast me in my same-sex attraction because again I couldn't change myself. But really what became apparent to me and started to really search Jesus Christ and what he offered to me is that he didn't say stopping gay he just said stop resisting and when that managed I could never change who I was.

I never change my history of my memory.

But if I surrender those thoughts and those feelings to him, he would give me good feelings he was restore musically, spiritually and mentally. And so while I may struggle with same-sex attraction. I'm not acting in the gay culture and so I refused to be identified as gay.

Why would I identify with what I'm trying to leave or walk away from so so would you say that your life is massively better, more fulfilled, more joy filled for purpose filled now than it was when you were out and proud gay men like you asked that question because the explanation I have doesn't even make sense to me.

I didn't think it was anything better than a sexual conquest and what's been so amazing is in separate years I haven't had anyone in my bed and I didn't even think it was possible, but how is it that the love of Christ to actually satisfy me more than a sexual conquest and so my life is so much better even though I sleep alone. I say loaded medical Lord, if I never have sex again. I'll be okay for the first time I actually this satisfaction inside my heart of knowing that God does care and that he's always there and he's the one that I think at 92. In the first person that I fail or two in the morning and I had no idea that our relationship an intimate relationship with Christ was better than any sexual outcome with that I ever had. I no longer have to the plans of HIV infection and all of the other emotional garbage that that went with the inconsistencies and insecurities of of the homosexual cultures so there is a huge freedom. There you know what is it something that you have to experience it is not something I can really explain yeah but the teasing and in my consent. Thank you for your honesty. That's this one wanted people to hear that number one you may have struggles in this area were many other areas, but that Jesus really is enough and that he and him find him look at her friends that were very promiscuous heterosexually and then there in the 40s and they been single for years and there enjoying the Lord, and there there blessed and happy in heaven, from the right person to marry or don't feel it's time to marry. There is life there is freedom there is wholeness to be found in Jesus wherever you are. She called for help. The Lord is near coming out ministries.org the new documentary journey interrupted him. Michael, thanks for joining us today, 86634 very rapidly changing subjects these last few minutes earlier in the broadcast I talked about NFL protest and further comments in trying to be constructive trying to be helpful for you refute this. There's opportunities to weigh in.

I will start in Charlotte Chris, welcome to the line of fire got a workout. Thank you Brad Amico I have a couple questions for you.

Are you earlier. I think you said that there is another way to do these protest are heard a lot of people say that and I want more. My first question is what was that other weight be and you know it if it kind of sounds like you guys are saying there's another way to protest as if we have ignored an invitation to address these issues in other arenas. When the opposite is actually true when we try to talk about these issues and tried to deal with these issues in other arenas and and we've been ignored, been dismissed. You know we've even been called yet is yes me. Let me answer this time short okay yeah yeah not number one.

I don't think that ignores I think that issues a bit on the table and then Americans are concerned that many Americans are outraged over videos that they've seen and things like that so I feel there was more momentum in getting a message out with the this kind of protest is counterproductive because it makes people look unpatriotic, unpatriotic or disrespecting the flag so it's counterproductive.

So, for example, because NFL players are or prestigious people in our society and and you know look to in and loved by many. If there was an inner-city March you're just I give an example, and you don't need me to come up with ideas, but I give you an example of if you got 100 of the top players in the league along with owners and coaches to march into a place in the inner city where where injustice is rampant in and people do not have equal opportunity and say we just want you to see or this is the world became out of her. This is were I grew up, I believe media all over America would want to get behind the because I also believe, and I been a dialogue with with some players about this that if all the players stood put their hand on their heart. During that the national anthem city. We are anything but it into patriotic and we want to send that message.

I believe they be able to meet with Pres. Trump and be able to to say Diaz or things that concern is I believe the White House would be open for a meeting. I don't know about the history of the country, different, but the other thing about black American in America have always historically been held to a higher standard to love America than everybody else. I mean the week we were expected to to not your surrogate country and historically black America the third country in the in the Army in an I have died but of coming home to a situation where your rights are equal, people have died but don't have the same rights as other people do it still happens to this day where you know just things like you Chris. Chris I apologize for interrupting you have a lot to say and I want to hear right only had a little time if you can try to get hold me next week on the show. I will put you at the top the list. I want to give you time to articulate.

You have a lot to say and I want to hear it.

Fair enough. So I apologize at a time. The call back