Debunking the NAR Hysteria

It is time that we put an end to some of the hysteria about the so-called new apostolic Reformation stage for the line of fire with your host activist and author, international speaker and theologian Dr. Michael Brown your voice of moral cultural and spiritual revolution Michael Brown is the director of the coalition of conscience and president of fire school of ministry get into the line of fire now by going 866-34-TRUTH that's 866-34-TRUTH your again is Dr. Michael Brown welcome welcome to today's broadcast friends you're going to find today's show very helpful, clarifying, edifying to get into our subject matter momentarily, but here's number to call if you have any kind of Bible related theology related question give me a call 866-34-TRUTH eight 784 that's a 866-34-TRUTH, by all means give me a call if I get into the subject and you have a specific question about the things were talking about on the air. By all means give me a call just a moment a background I did a two hour interview last week on a podcast that was hosted by a woman named Alisa Childers and on the show were Holly Québec and Doug gobbet who's written about what they would term the new apostolic Reformation and I was on this will be to two hours I think was constructive for me was eye-opening not just doing it, but seeing the comments afterwords and I'm I'm going to do my best to give clarity once and for all on this broadcast as to my issues with the term new apostolic Reformation Art, but first I want to talk to you about dealing with destructive criticism dealing with destructive criticism over the weekend I tweeted this out. It's far more productive to spend one hour teaching serious disciples than 1000 hours responding to critics who were ready rejected you in your position to repeat that it's far more productive to spend one hour teaching serious disciples than 1000 hours responding to critics wherever ready rejected you and your position. Let's see your pastor and you have a thriving congregation but you have some disgruntled former members that don't like your method of teaching the word or think your matron on the wrong subjects of the quit coming to church and they start a blog criticizing your congregants come they love the Lord they really appreciate your ministry.

They love your teaching. Do you think they are coming to hear you talk about the critics and why the critics are wrong and whether critics are missing the point. No there there to be fed and nurtured and taught because they appreciate your message. Let's say you own a restaurant and you got regular customers that are coming coming for years and you do your best to provide them with a healthy menu and enjoyable menu and well priced. And that's why you got faithful customers client sediment comic for years. Right now you have some food critic that doesn't like your food, just like your method of cooking this like the ambience. This, like where you're located any blast you on the website all right. Do you think the people that come there regularly. Want to hear you get up and walk around from table to table and tell you whether critics are wrong, artillery, control, or do you think that those people that are there are there so that they can get the food that they like. So here's my point by nature I'm a debater. All right, for better or worse.

I love to interact with those who differ. If I have my my druthers I prefer getting calls from people that differ with me than people who agree with me if I my druthers when I go to give a talk on a campus. I'd rather do a debate than just do a talk I love to have my views challenged. I love contract. That's not the issue and I'll reach out patiently to those who differ as much as I have the opportunity to but there are folks who are critical. They have rejected your position or my position there, not in our camp. I will never satisfy them. You will never satisfy them. I'm not saying they're bad people are evil people. I'm simply saying in most cases it is a waste of time. I tweeted this out as well.

One thing I've learned recently when it comes to refuting myths and exaggerations and misconceptions. It's a lot easier to start a fire them to put one out.

Conspiracy theories are hard to debunk if someone is going to claim that I'm a 33° Mason whatever it's called. I said I'll know anything about being amazed, aha, that proves that you're denying it is very difficult to refute that kind of nonsense and what I'm seeing as I do my best to define things to address them scripturally to address things based on experience and what I know. If it doesn't fit the conspiratorial fear re-can be rejected out of hand that can be further proof that I'm part of the conspiracy, how you deal with it how you refute that and is it even worth your time to try to dispel someone of a false notion that's not based on truth a little further. I tweeted this out just as a restaurant, tailors its menu to its customers rather than to its hostile critics, so also pastors should focus on nurturing their flocks rather than trying to please their hostile critics catering to critics is a trap here. I have folks call the show and see Dr. Brown, I love you broadcast a listen regularly. I agree with so much of what you say but I have concerns about this.

I have concerns about that. I don't know why you work with so and so okay great that's that's an honest question and I'll give the most honest answer I can someone else calls Dr. Brown. I'm really wondering about this. Could you sort this out for me. I do my best answer honestly, only to find out at some critic present in a pull that and put this up on the YouTube site are supposed to try to expose me then I find completely unethical call and say this is so-and-so, I differ with you.

I my positions are against yours. I'm not charismatic. I don't believe in this and that and I like to ask honest about this great we can have a conversation but the other stuff seems to be so nonconstructive and we, the predetermined outcome. In other words, if I fend off that accusation with the truthful answer that satisfies him doesn't change their position just means they go to the next question. In other words, the verdict is a ready-made up that I find to be constructive criticism rather than constructive criticism.

I was talking to a friend the other day and I mentioned to him how many positive reports I get people thanking me for being gracious in my debates and things like that a civil don't just listen to the ones who speak positive things. Listen to the critics to I said all trust me very positive word I get from my wife. I get 100 constructive critical words. Trust me, I'm hearing that they and night, and I welcome and I welcome it for my team.

I will commit from strangers. If it's constructive if it's life-giving if it's not just to satisfy your predetermined outcome. Wonderful. But let me lay some things out for you are all right. Why is it that virtually all of the critics who call the show write articles with websites attacking me put out YouTube videos, etc. why is it that virtually all of them are not charismatic or antiharassment. Where are the charismatic critics blasting me for my friendship with Southern Baptists where the charismatic critics putting out YouTube videos about my association with strong Calvinists.

Where are the charismatic critics blasting me for teaching it not charismatic seminaries notice the criticism is from one particular camp or groups in a particular camp and they are all coming from one direction which fundamentally is an issue with the things of the spirit today and with some of the abuses in the midst of the genuine moving of the spirit, here's a question for since when MI accountable for whatever my friends and colleagues practice and say here I am, 10 times better friends 100 times better friends with James White and Bill Johnson. All right, I've I've sat in terms of my total conversations face-to-face with Bill Johnson. I would say just the two of us talking face-to-face. Total in our lifetimes. 10 minutes maybe. Maybe the longest conversation ever had was when he was on the radio show when he spent an hour with me on its laws conversation. We got with face-to-face, just the two of us a few minutes here and use it wisely friends because of known him in different circles for years. I I am friends with friends that were close with him closely with them.

We have a common heart for revival in the things of the spirit. But if I was there with, I might differ with half the sermons preached I might differ with half of the books written by by his team.

I differ with lots of stuff. Okay the same way with Dr. White. We spent hours together fellowship in face-to-face. We worked out together. We had meals together.

We debated each other. We debated side-by-side against others we've interacted regularly off the air. We been on one of the shows and yet there are many things he differs with me and I differ with you. Why how come I'm not accountable for everything he believes is since when do you judge someone based on how they respond to their circle of friends and associates up because your eye teaches numerous seminaries, some of them have beliefs that you don't agree with MI accountable for what the semi's.

I work with different publishers on the radio station where you're listening or the TV station where you're watching. There SHOULD MI network responsible for all of those I recently did a conference for friend of mine is one of the most prominent Southern Baptist pastors in the country. MI now responsible that that that that he teaches. Once saved always saved as a Southern Baptist, I presume he does. You blessed me for, that's it it it's not a matter of want to hold me accountable for my friends and associates. It which is completely bogus.

Look, I've written what 32 books or something like that. I written well over thousand articles we have well over thousand videos and I preach thousands of messages. How many radio shows, who begun God does hold me accountable for that judging the based on that with joy but but please the if you hear that someone so I preached at so-and-so's church. I preach there a few times and they had another guest speaker in the guest speaker said that that's not my business.

That's okay. Call that church.

If I endorse the book and the book has some problems. Challenge me on that because now I'm endorsing it, but have a large circle of friends, charismatic, nine charismatic Calvinists non-Calvinist, some denominational, some outside of denominations. I have friends that are absolute mega church friend their mega church all the way. I have others that are house church all the way it would go near mega church and they're all friends.

I have friends who written books that are in the exact opposite side of major issues not issues that we divide over the faith, but major issues that cause grace. Discussion of faith and I'm friends with both and I work with both because of the common good of the gospel. So come on friends.

Let this go deeper.

Let's grow up. Let let let's focus on on serving a dying world, and building up the body and helping one another in glorifying Jesus and let's judge fairly and righteously and not get caught up in the silly meaningless nonproductive constructive ripple will be right back in the line of fire with your host Dr. Michael Brown voice of moral cultural and spiritual revolution. Here again is Dr. Michael Brown all right sometimes say on the show.

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Let me do my best to bring you some clarity about the so-called new apostolic Reformation, otherwise known as, nor I'm going to give you an analogy as I see it been really trying to think of simple ways to convey this, that everyone can take hold of and then evaluate. Let's go over to the mall. Let's go over to the food court in the more there is one of the middle food court options you've got your Burger King in the Donald's or you've got your Sbarro's are you've got your whatever the Chinese one is are some healthy option or whatever was somewhat whatever the different options or for food, so there is one regular call NPR the new pizza Reformation right. NPR, the new pizza Reformation and this one says that the going thing now is this new pizza there making and really this is the food. This is the way to go. All right, it is the way to go. It is, it is the most important one. There, the NPR, the new pizza Reformation right. That's what it's called. Well, now you have the rest of the food options in the mall. Okay. And those food options think that pizza is great. They enjoy pizza, but they and they believe that pizza is good for today but it's just one of a number of different food options where you like and that now to those who agree with certain points of what would be the new apostolic Reformation which will define more clearly, but do not agree with the other points that you have the rest of the home all that I'm in a liking to the whole charismatic Pentecostal church is okay. You lost me releasably back it up.

New apostolic Reformation was the name that was used by Peter Wachter, who is with the Lord now Peter Wachter. He was a professor for many years and full of theological seminary. He's been a missionary before that, and he felt that he was raised up by God as an apostle, that God was raising apostles over the world and that God wanted apostles to be in their proper place in the church and that that was essential for the good of the church there were many things he taught that I agreed with that I thought were positive in biblical there were other things that I differed with. He had a particular network of leaders that he oversaw.

I was never part of that network of leaders. One reason being, I differed with some of the philosophy now that's the NPR that's the new pizza revolution pizza is it the way we make it pizza. That's it. Well, I have believed for decades. What we call fivefold ministry. I have believed for decades in apostles and prophets today based on reading the New Testament based on seeing the fact that the gift of prophecy was to continue until Jesus return based on the fact that others outside the 12, recall apostles and based on Ephesians 4 which said that Jesus gave apostles, prophets, evangelist pastors and teachers until a certain point, we haven't reached that point yet so as I look at Scripture thought well then they're still here today when I saw the way Peter Wegner defined. I agree with some parts and differed strongly with other parts all right, so the food court of the mall that's everybody who believes fivefold ministry is today is for today but they don't agree with everything taught by the NPR all right. So in my analogy they believe pizza is good and healthy but pizza is one of many different options. The NPR's is no pizza is the way then you have the rest of the mall is not even a minute is massive. That's a lot of other stuff and that's the whole charismatic Pentecostal church, much of which doesn't even know about the discussion about apostles and prophets today are how it works out or doesn't use that terminology. For example, some of the largest of the costal denominations of the world don't use the terminology of apostles or prophets today quite so it's very simple to me there. There is something very specific. All the new apostolic Reformation which would have a certain number of people that would strongly identify with its principles, then you'd make a bigger circle around that a much bigger circle.

That's all. The charismatic Pentecostal to believe in fivefold ministry today, but Buster never heard of nor manager done Peter Wegner is in many would disagree with many of the points that would be taught by Peter Wegner. They get the biggest circle.

That's the charismatic Pentecostal movement as a whole. From what I can see the critics of nor are taking all the abuses and problems in the larger charismatic Pentecostal movement and grouping them to gather under nor and then saying that it is somehow the networker has certain common beliefs or whatever.

And this is untrue. It is exaggerated and it presents very false pictures now ask yourself a question.

Why did I write a whole book called playing with holy fire. Wake up call to the Pentecostal charismatic church just came out early this month. What I write a whole book. Whatever happened to the paragons of charismatic church slain in the spirit down for the count it in 1991 one the right. These whole books as well as other books over the years that have interacted with abuses or things are different with in the charismatic Pentecostal movement, including calling out the over use of terms like apostle making everybody into an apostle or abuse of authority or things like that. Why when I address all these things freely and yet deny my alleged association with nor does this make any sense.

If these are the abuses and address them head-on, then why would I do not I deny the other part because it up or simply non-existent. Let me give an example. Let's let's look at this website.

Six. Hallmarks of a nor church.

The Berea examiner. This six hallmarks of an nor church posted June 7, 2016.

So you scroll down and number one is this apostles were in quote a second apostolic age, the renewal apostles on the earth today anointed by the laying on of hands to represent speak for God here on earth.

These quotes super apostles or equal to the original apostles. Once you witness Jesus life that the resurrection were appointed by Christ himself to the office. Since these new apostasy commissioned by God. Other authority may not be question.

Frankly, I don't know anybody who believes that there is no one that I've worked with, including people that were part of Peter Wegner's organization that would be called new apostolic Reformation profitably.

Okay, I know any of them that believe Peter Wegner believe that I'm not aware of it.

If he did believe that I categorically rejected all right, but II don't know anyone people that use the title apostle say I don't know any of them that believe that so this will exclude every church I've ever worked with anywhere in the world ever in my life because I don't know any that hold to that, and in some some of the so-called major nor leaders today. All right I don't know any of them that hold to that definition either that would go in that direction and all here but let's go down to two, number six, nor denies the sufficiency of Scripture, nor adherence may believe in the inerrancy and authority of the Bible. But God's breathe outward is just not enough for them.

Jesus sacrificial death for sins is not good enough. The promise of eternal life in heaven is like a I don't know anybody that believes that I've I've never worked with the leader in the world that believes that you say will, but are they constantly seeking to relate replicable first.

My question is who's that they who was they similar anyone believes there apostles that will hang on hang out my friend Bishop Joe Matera Dr. Drew Matera now leads the US counsel of apostolic leaders, which was originally Peter Wegner's organization quote apostles Joe Matera said I'll take it over the first Kurt Leavitt first condition is you have to change from apostles to apostolic leaders first change you made why the reasons for and he just wrote an article. This is the man who is leading so just like leaving the network. The fellowship of of leaders helping to facilitate coordinate bringing them together. Okay, he is leaving the organization Peter Wegner use delete any has a major critique of memory. Many things commonly associated with new apostolic Reformation. He doesn't agree with these things for it.

For example, if you want your camp will be scoots up for your right now, but he said this, he said the present apostolic paradigm will bring a course correction to the new apostolic Reformation and view the apostolic as a ministry function not as an office as an adjective, not a title.

He said this, the present apostolic paradigm will correct the autocratic top-down hierarchical government of many in the NAR system at the that the NPR article the pizza revolution was as rightly defined the NAR and mimic the servant leadership style of Jesus who came not to be served and but to serve, and give his life as a ransom for many. Document to write this the present apostolic paradigm will not spout triumphalist dominion rhetoric like the church is called to take cities when rather the church is called to love and serve our cities.

Those who serve the best or the greatest problem solvers will eventually lead anyone in any points on Genesis 1. When God told Adam take dominion over the earth.

It was over the cattle and the animals in the world was over other people or goal article is not to take dominion over the people. So here is a recognized leader leading the organization that Peter Wegner once led that you could rightly call new apostolic Reformation, as this is our narrow picture here right and he is bringing major correction to errors in it and gave she would be called part of quote nor even though he is rejecting much of what Nora stood for. This is a big problem. The ambiguity of definitions.

The guilt by association, the Castillo why that by which everybody is guilty of this.

The various territorial model simply doesn't care on the line of fire with your host Dr. Michael Brown. Your voice is more cultural and spiritual revolution there again is Dr. Michael Brown going a day on the line online got answers, as always, on Friday were unable to get too many folks to try to call or do you call and so many writing and we do our best to respond as much as we can with our team but we cut open the phones extra here and there so anything you want to ask you about questions that have come up things you have wondered about, 8663 foray 7884. I want to help bring clarity to some controversies within the body today, but first let's go to the phones in Woodstock, Georgia Eric, welcome to the line of fire. In regard to Brown welcome your surges through quick. How do you have an experience just minister man of God you know their minds on the public. How do you do you with not much Lehman with ministers who been teaching the Scriptures for years but have just flat out in an militantly rejected the use of the spirit in a very open and I'm somewhat rude about like how do you scripturally and through experience. Are you doing the first thing is it if it's just a battle to fight. In other words hear somebody who differs with me and is just attacking all the time online. If I see that there are not genuinely looking for dialogue and they're not willing to to really study the issue together.

Their minds made up and the ship's sale that respect while hey God bless you.

Hope you have a great life and ministry.

But I'm not here to fight with you if we can join together for other purposes. In other words, were standing together on on pro-life issues over stand together against LGBT activism over stand together for Israel health all work with lots of people and that's why I have such a wide Association of friends and they differ with me on lots of things I differ with them on lots of things that are not accountable for what I sent out accountable for they say, but their big issues we work together on an end. To be honest there are some cases folks I work with said more cultural issues. I've no idea if the charismatic Granada where they stand on lots of other things in their folks were Catholic understanding together for for pro-life issues and obviously a profound differences when it comes to what we believe with about Catholicism. So when it comes to this. If somebody's attacking aggressive if if I feel the reach out to them. I try to do that if there very prominently like John MacArthur in strange fire conference and to me.

I want to reach out if I can if it's someone else that's prominent in this respect, it that would be a good opponent. I'd say hey when we have a civil debate about this with the goal of educating the body, but if they're basically there set in their critical well hate you do what you feel the do and I just go on. Pray for them. Pray for God's best, and I pray prayers that are not judgmental in the sight of God, meaning I'll pray for that personal pray for myself to get us a father bring us into the fullness of your spirit in the fullness of your truth. Everything you have for us.

We, you know, bring us into that so not Lord help them because I'm so holy help him all pre-prison in the sight of God in that way, but otherwise certain times.

You just have to leave it there plenty of people that I have blocked on Twitter and Facebook that are just downright nasty or it's clear all they can do is post disagreement with every posted in the differ some mute and others if they get nasty a block.

I don't like doing it, but it's just a waste of time. Otherwise absent was the time students are pretty much the same approach like with the Lord. When the Pharisees falsely accused him, and fact the same accusations or even finding in the Talmud. They were, unfortunately, they falsely accuse you, she will practicing sorcery or using the false power of Beelzebub, and things of that nature vision of the same kind of accusations get fired out.

I get it yet and I looked at the key thing is not to be reactionary. Another which you want to be constructive you you you want to do things that that are not just reacting in the flesh you want to patiently be there with trees and if it's close this can be a fight there's there's no reason you end up wasting time and look there are there are folks that have called the show with honest questions and I do my best to answer honestly their folks recall who I know are critics who differ with me and him will have a dialogue and if it seems to be fruitless of all, stop with a certain populace will have a dialogue. There are others who called to try to set me up for something or to try to catch me in a word or you quote something that's can make me look bad about respond the right weight that what's the use of that I'm not helping them about helping the listening audience when I'm advancing the cause of truth.

This is like a silly game she have to deal with each one according it's interesting the book of Proverbs up to verses back to back. The first one saying answer a fool according to his folly of the watches and wants followed in the next don't answer a fool according to his folly. Otherwise you'll end up caught up with him a paraphrase on the comments people fool some defusing this, analogously, that basically what happens is that you I believe that those verses are both speaking truth is not one is negated by the other, and each one depends on the situation and said there's a time when it's right to engage this time. From this time it's right to rebuke this time you to stay back right thank you sir for the call 866-34-TRUTH before I got the phones.

Let me illustrate something for you right. I've been trying to bring clarity to the issue of, nor so-called new apostolic Reformation and is best as I understand things.

This was a particular spiritual movement or philosophy of leadership that was led by Dr. Peter Wegner. The late Dr. Wegner that held to specific understanding of apostolic and prophetic ministry today, some of which agreed with some of which I disagreed with was never part of his network of leaders for that reason or sets the smallest circle and how many hundreds thousands of leaders that affect it's it's relatively small then you have a bigger circle, which is those who believe that apostolic and prophetic ministry exists today but don't know about, nor aren't part of nor wouldn't agree with many of the parameters that Peter Wegner set right, but the critics put them all to get your partner then the big circle. The modern charismatic Pentecostal movement. And then what happens now is that if you see an abusive or in the modern charismatic Pentecostal movement now because part of nor endorses worldwide massive thing. Having all this influence. That's what I call a myth. Is this article new apostolic refreshed yes of course personal denies that it was led by Dr. Peter Wegner had certain beliefs and parameters. Right wing to find that we can discuss that your drug reuse right disagreed.

There something larger which is those who believe in apostolic and prophetic ministry than then larger that the modern charismatic Pentecostal church, which is what 600 million+ worldwide, but the actual nor new apostolic Reformation is relatively small movement with relatively small influence dry believe God is raising up apostles prophet sit around the world. Yes, of course, do I agree with much of a pure white snow once again to repeat that so give an example of how the pivot with whom I had a dialogue and heard call to Doug dive it last week on Alyssa Childers podcast she has on her website.

Spirit of error. Five tips for identifying nor churches, so she's the search the Internet and then look for words like apostolic or prophetic or fivefold ministry will will hang on hang on a little website and will will just will just leave the scroll down to its is five tips for identifying nor churches for everyone that's watching you just leave them on the screen from an all right so I'm a little website. Holly refers to a very positive review of the book. She wrote with Doug dive it by leaving the Assemblies of God calling our hyper charismatic and sing Pentecostals and charismatics need to watch it carefully and if the Assemblies of God believes in apostolic or prophetic ministry. They just strongly differ with certain principles helping on this Alyssa goddess is the largest Pentecostal denomination worldwide. Okay she should read their statement of faith.

But the problem is.

She said they may have an orthodox statement of faith that will really give the white will to pay attention to guest speakers and how they are introduced are they referred to as apostles promises anyone that happens to believe that the prophet sit another part of not what what kind of reasoning is based in whose definition I asked once again and then check this out. Look for distinctive nor practices, such as a church hosting social sessions. Just, like a holistic ministry for people struggling be addictions or problems. Other things like that, or operating a 24 seven permit will only when the second 24 seven prayer is not 24 seven prayer is a distinctive nor practice where it is coming from. I've been involved in churches with 24 seven precious I got say or write me somewhat of a 24 hour prayer meeting once a month ministries at work with overseas they had some at least one person praying 24 seven for decades, crying out to God for souls and for his work since when is it the Moravian over the Moravians part of nor because they had 100 year prayer meeting once 100 years straight continuous prayer.

This is what I find frustrating. So here we go to another website okay and I'm trying to sort this out because so much time is wasted over this. Go to the website Lisa Charlie's website.

She was gracious enough to host a very constructive discussion to our podcast and then afterwards I went looked at comments. Normally I don't do that. Just as a business and were on so many different websites and posted some places, but here I want to see the comments so II found these interesting. For example, here's one of the comments on the website.

Pastor Chris Roseburg has rightly labeled Michael Brown as the apostle of obfuscation Brown could not openly admit that the so-called nor has serious issues because he is part and parcel to going, at least as far back as the Browns were about the browser revival. This took place in the Brownsville Assembly of God, pastored by John Kilpatrick or Dan with the Assemblies of God with the main speaker retyping Steve televangelist you feel now the Lord also ordained by the Assemblies of God Bill Johnson were told is a nor leader long as we know is in our leaders because he left the Assemblies of God. The Assemblies of God put out a review praising a book attacking are by Holly Pritikin, Doug dive it, which Holly sites on her website. Browser revival was part of the Assemblies of God we would need even though I was the submissive guy. We would meet every year with Thomas Trask was then the head of the Assemblies of God this time is about a not lower the sums of God reject certain fundamental principles that nor whole soup yet. I am part of nor going back to the Brownsville revival and I denied there from the apostle of obfuscation.

Can you see how ridiculous this is conceal fruitless this is and is untrue. It is based on false information.

Don't people care about truth and where icy abuses have addressed them for years.

I've addressed abuses more than about anybody. You finally charismatic Pentecostal the whole book sonic at my new book, playing with only five you will believe me, and yet because I tell the truth about not being part of nor rejecting certain things within our earth saying than our critics are exaggerating it, even producing hysteria. Now I'm quote the apostle of obfuscation for telling the truth isn't that utterly remarkable. They tell you what will stay with because 100 years from now, criticisms of the misunderstandings can be long gone through the gospel nonpartisan than many others.

Part of your it's the line of fire with your host activist, author, international speaker and theologian Dr. Michael Brown voice of more cultural and spiritual revolution get into the line of fire now by calling 6643 here again is Dr. Michael Brown my friends for joining us on the line of fire so I will throw out a few things, by all means hold me accountable what I teach and preach and believe but don't hold me accountable for everything.

My friends teach and preach believe because I have friends in all parts of the body. Here I write regularly for the stream stream.org to be the best place to go on a daily basis to get insight what's happening in the world around us with the spiritual perspective and an postmark was there and and many other websites are right there regularly.

Okay well there are folks on the stream that are Catholic like Jay Richards and Johns Merrick and their colleagues and friends.

I'm not Catholic. I differ with their Catholicism. They differ with my non-Catholicism and we worked together on the stream, you know, one of my dear friends is Dr. James White, a strong Calvinist and non-charismatic get a hold me accountable for everything he says I'm friends with Dr. Jack Graham leading Southern Baptist pastor and pastor Preston would Baptist, I spoke at a men's conference.

For him there with Dr. Ronnie Floyd and other Southern Baptist leaders while they they would differ with me on certain things and I would differ with them on certain things.

So why is it that I'm only held accountable for whether Pentecostal friend or charismatic friend has to say it's because the critics are charismatic Pentecostal critics they are critics of the things of the spirit or the things supposedly of the spirit today and most of them are very strong secessionists.

So that's where the criticisms coming from so you got an issue with something that that Jack Graham teachers are James White teaches or Jay Richards wrote her Johns Merrick wrote or Bill Johnson said or or Chelan said reach out to them interact with them.

I work with a lot of people across the board across the board for common good purposes, so maybe one last example that I want to go back to the phones, 8664 truth there was a response to the.

The two hour podcast on nor did last week with Lisa Childers, Doug gobbet and Holly pivot appreciate everybody's time in doing that and and someone said this critical that was listening. Dr. Brown admits to the abuses and problems being out there in small measure will not admit to the abundantly well documented abuses committed by colleagues he says are great men of God Bill Johnson Chelan McNichol Bryant since that not by the way, everyone there. I know Mike and Shay the best. Okay, but I don't nor can the teacher believe everything about their lives okay nor they know everything I teach a belief. So, again, hold them accountable for. They say hold me accountable for ice and an idol.

In any case it so confusing.

I can only assume it's because either hasn't dug enough to witness was truly going on.

He readily admits he hasn't been to these places and years working five things fire tells destiny Tower card spiritual influence waking sleeping Angels desert IQ literally drunk in the spirit spirit mapping just to name a few. Coming from reverse by Bethel biblical practice. Okay, this is some of the nonsense that I personally find nonconstructive totally nonconstructive or limey Bethel does not endorse using Christian Tara courts okay first thing and and how many churches in the world. Charismatic Pentecostal churches have ever heard of such a thing, one in a million. Seriously. Apparently a ministry associated with Bethel or some ministry that referred to Bethel somewhere when doing New Age outreach would sit down with people and use these cards. Some of had Scripture cemented images on them and say hey let me pray and see if the Lord gives me some to try to reach these people and preach the gospel to the it may be a completely bogus practice. I don't know about it. All I know is the little bit that I read okay but Simple for that. It's complete idiocy to say what if they did something somewhere and I call someone a friend then I'm accountable for everything that is complete and utter nonsense. You should of been flooding me with calls after Las Vegas massacre when my friend Dr. White and true Calvinistic spirit and using verses like Lamentations 3. This is of calamities come through city. Surely the Lord is ordained.

It said that the ultimate reason Las Vegas massacre happens because God ordained you should been flooding me with calls differing and how can that be you differ with that one. I'm that I understand why. He said understand the scriptural basis for saying it all right and that's his position based on Scripture.

Many of the Calvinists would agree with him. I understand where he's coming from it, but I'm not accountable for that.

Those are his words so if there's some practice it could be the most idiotic practicing to be a stupid practice. I can be a practice if I start I throw the cards away and said what the world are you doing is crazy what you doing this is nonsense. I don't know I just read a little bit about it online but this is not some of Bethel endorses Christian territories while you were not number one on that responsible for renouncing everything Bethel.if I was there, I might agree with a lot. I might differ with a lot that would be. That's why would be my home church or some of them Bethel fire would be their home church is my home congregation.

What that because you have differences. If either there James White's church will be my home church because is noncharismatic and it's Calvinist. And if you live near me if I would be his Joan church because it is charismatic is not Calvinist and he's not responsible for what we teach at fire on that responsible 40 teachers in his church. Please friends, we gotta grow up this this type of silly criticism is nothing but silly. So where there are serious abuses I address them. I've been with Mike McCoy been with the steam and most of the stuff he's accused of it isn't true, simply isn't true that that simple world Brian Simmons in the passion translation exam and it is a translation it's a paraphrase really examine it like it examine any of the paraphrase and that's all examine it, examine why I like that boy. I don't like that simple friends. We gotta move on this stuff.

This is just people who don't know people don't understand people on the outside. People are misinformed people have one bad experience and projected on the whole it's it it's draining people it's creating hysteria and and what I'd encourage you to do is okay here. One pastor said.

I spent hours and hours and hours and hours listening to Bill Johnson's messages and reading his books and sent us a long video of his critique I had someone on staff. Watch it and send you an outline us again.

Those are those are fair questions ablated raise those questions though not therefrom try to answer. Okay, those are great questions.

I think you did a good solid analysis.

Good job and he wasn't raising the silly stuff he was raising real issues that do I grieve your joy disagree their well done great. So now asked Bill about the X committee. I am just trying to help friends and and trust me, I'm addressing this again because the podcast last week and they were moving on because they're far more important issues to focus on 866-34-TRUTH yeah it it it it reminds me of the fake new stuff you dealing with constantly on TV and then because they're all right supported Donald Trump of the all right is often racist than if you voted for Donald Trump.

You're a racist.

That to me would be a good parallel with the whole NAR spirit something right to the phones we go to Sean in DC. Welcome Sir to the line of fire. Dr. world talk to you again. Great, great question regarding how should we are not necessarily interpret but understand the book of Job are not to deviate from PR in our NAR. Oh, no, no, I wanted to tackle other questions to the sword. Perfect. So at the end. And of course in Job 42 exhibit God speak to Eliphaz and he said my wrath is kindled against you, and against your two friends for you have not spoken of me good thing that is right as much Job as my servant Joe cut my question.

Dr. Brown is when reading within those 42 chapters will be to get a ghost Eliphaz in Job's other friend. How should we understand what they are staying in be in the narrative, and Shawn said they would limit yet. Let me jump in just the timesaver you asked one of the best questions anyone can ask about the book of Job because it gets to the heart of major issues. There are some commentaries who believe that when God commands Job piece just talk about the verses that follow the preceding verses were Job repented and and said you know I'm nothing and I and I spoke out of turn when he repented, and that's with God speak about I don't I don't accept that. I don't believe that's the case whatsoever. So your question is is spot on, as they would say in Australia. How is it that Job was rebuked by God for speaking words, the shipment spoke for darkening counsel with his words that were out of place. How was the Job who accuses God of being unjust and basically God is behind all the disorder and chaos and pain in the world and he treats the wicked and the righteous exactly the same. How is it that God could say of Job, you he spoke rightly of me, but not like you and the friends. The friends that God punishes the wicked, God blesses the righteous. Why weren't they speaking rightly of God because they were wrongly applying certain biblical truths are certain spiritual truths to Job it didn't apply. They were wrongly implying that God had smitten Joe because he was wicked. Where is in fact Job was chosen because he was righteous, so they miss represented God with your straitjacket theology. As for Job, and of course I get into this much more. My commentary although he challenged God wrongly, he knew in his gut that if God was really the God he thought he was that God had to bring justice that if God was really the God who thought he was that it was self-contradictory for them to be doing what he was doing so on the one hand, he spoke wrongly of God by choosing a but he spoke rightly and that his ultimate plea was to God, and his ultimate belief was that God would somehow vindicate him, so he fled from God to God, knowing that ultimately that there had to be justice in God's universe and rather than just speaking empty theological maxims from his head, spoke from his heart, the truth about justice being found God, I hope that answered succinctly.

Thank you for the call