A Biblical Way to Deal with Church Scandals

Another reported scandal in the church friends there's a biblical way to handle these stocks for the line of fire with your host activist and author, international speaker and theologian Dr. Michael Brown your voice of moral cultural and spiritual revolution Michael Brown is the director of the coalition of conscience and president of fire school of ministry get into the line of fire now by calling 866-34-TRUTH 866-34-TRUTH here again is Dr. Michael Brown is an amazing, you're talking with you live you are around the country around the world last few days, I ran into some of his been with American Airlines the airport USAir over 40 years. Regular listener came up to me and I was flying out of Charlotte North Carolina the other day fearlessly mad hey, there's the promised shout out spoke to a woman who said all I listen to I jogs if you're jogging now listen to the podcast Ron on is my joy to be with you Michael Brown. Thanks so much for tuning in today. Here's number to call you open the phone lines for all kinds of questions but I want to be very targeted as we talk about some really big serious issues to 866-34-TRUTH that's 866-34-TRUTH 87884 okay let me just open up very broadly here and then I'll get very specific report were not primarily talk about politics, world news, church news were talk about things within the body which I might how we handle sayings with in the body. I want to be as open candidate as I possibly can.

As always seek to be as I talk with you family on the speaker with the gentleman with American Airlines of the day.

The Charlotte airport it when I see that smile. Someone coming up to me that I've not met before that I don't know. I see that smile. That's the smile of a longtime listener, how I know it because we know each other. We know each other by talk radio because it's not just like a newscaster were recorded preaching show there's something personal and real about this so I'm open my heart you as family. As I always do.

By God's grace I do carry a certain amount of weight in the eyes of some. I do have a voice that reaches many people so I try to speak carefully.

I try to speak redemptive really I try to speak in a way that's honoring to God without ever compromising truth. I want to be accurate and honest, even if it hurts, it hurts feelings on the other hand, I will do my best to reach out to encourage to strengthen in the midst of differences and because of that when I see error when I see things being done in ways that are grievous that are wrong, that are unscriptural. I do my best to address what I can privately and that which needs to be addressed publicly. I address publicly and even while addressing publicly. I'm still going to do my best to be redemptive in my comments and I constantly hear from folks who appreciate the fact that we do our best to speak the truth with Bob some concentrate so much on speaking the truth being accurate and not compromising an inch. They they lose that side of love and compassion and kindness and restoration in others are so concerned with being loving and kind and compassionate that they they lose that side of truth in the water things down and both are dangerous. Both can cost people their lives, their souls there their destinies when we don't speak the truth because one be loving or were where were we don't love because want to speak the truth. Both of those can be terribly harmful, but the stakes are so high today friends. There's so much error circulating like wildfire on the Internet. The human race has never had this opportunity to spread lies. The way we can on the Internet. The Internet basically amplifies the best and the worst of the human race and for most of the part. It's the worst that get seen, and that you'd say is dominant side of human beings without God's grace at work in our lives so it it were, it's an epidemic.

Now of misinformation of dangerous things being spread and repeated. Nancy and I been talking about this for days endlessly about just anything can be retweeted. Anything can be repeated and then somebody is we don't want her to feel at middle speak the truth so I'm at the point now where I will continue to do my best to reach out privately if I know someone before addressing something publicly to reach out privately. Where can be dealt with privately before having to deal with the publicly but the stakes are high enough that listen if I offend you, so be it. If if you don't like what I have to say because you would've rather was said differently, I'm sorry but we cannot allow people to stray be deceived, be hurt because we just too concerned about hurting him now.

On the other hand it is terribly terribly destructive. He said he had terribly destructive when we use the Internet to air every grievance every concert and we're just going to repeat gossip.

I'm used to being maligned and attacked. I'm used to be lied about on it sometimes by second basis, but that's is by the medical by the second I get lied about and misrepresented online. It happens and I'm used to it and the turf and part of the calling, so be it. But I I've always been amused to see what happens to a colleague that is not used to the happening when a false report is published about the difference like come down in it will be dealt with. But the fact is is is out there, but it is. It is shameful friends. It is destructive is dishonoring to the Lord when we just repeat and share the latest gossip. The latest piece of misinformation because we heard it somewhere saw it somewhere. Some of speculating. How would you like it if someone did that about your family. All I heard that your family was secretly stealing money involved in sex trade with children, so I decided to post what what I heard it and I decided to post it and I destroy the reputation of a good family and once the things out. It gets repeatedly cowritten and retweeted in Sheridan before you know it has a status of its own online presence dangerous. But we do it were often irresponsible friends.

I remember one time my producer Matt came in and handed me something from a news website is by Ann Coulter and her things she had said the silica appreciates and what she says but she is dead wrong here and discover call this out and we both then dug into it and found out that we had both been duped. We had both been duped and and and that is super careful to check sort of meat suit care from alert and he hit this website is that in this is, this viewpoint could this want it thrust both.

I looked at it. I was deceived by it. And another image that was years it was years ago. Years ago, but it can happen to anyone, it could happen to anyone that we and we've got a be responsible friends so a whole lot has been going on and I would dress things in recent articles, one concerning a post on the Bethel church website from a ministry of wonderfully compassionate ministry that's doing terrific outreach to the LGBT community, reaching them with the good news of Jesus and saying changes possible to the gospel, but I was told by leader and vessel. They misspoke the be fixing things. In the meantime, I posted something dealing with their post which was very misleading and people are blasting them forward and and I have no official relationship with Bethel of any kind, zero, zero, of and on the spokesman for them on the defender amount of the cues are of specific thing comes up I can address a specific thing but I read that thought poor. We cut we can be careful. Lots of people are reading lots of people are watching at that post was saying hey look if you're LGBT to Christian and in Europe fulfilled as. As such, will you know that's great but were working to reach those who are fulfilled six bolts in a similar fulfilled or not. Sin is sin, whether I'm happy with it or not the questions.

Has God feel about so I wrote an article addressing that thanking the ministry for what they do in quoting or Bethel linking to where they spoke in plain instancing six activities sinful, but say hello to fix this and then I have been aware for some days now that there was a slew of accusations against the charismatic evangelist who became very well known about 11 years ago that had every public falling and is been kind of in the public eye since that series of accusations that come against him that he has been an ongoing sin for years now, and leaders haven't dealt with it that some leaders said we check the accusations that an accurate notice it.

Although we have eyewitnesses that they are in any case, the fellow bringing the accusations, decided that leaders were not acting quickly enough, and he was going to post all the accusations online saying I believe these to be true and and I've kind of a state of shock that now the Internet is the place we redo this not to say the accusations answers their very serious and one of my colleagues was in the midst of taking very serious action because of those serious accusations and they must be dealt with but there's got to be a better way were we do not turn into the Internet gossip community. The intranet slander community was mostly Christians. The look I I was I was upset with the company that he promised to to do a particular service for us and kept getting delayed in doing it. When they finally came to do, with only part of the service that we never agreed to the rest and I said look, we were very specific. I spoke very specifically with you and set aside. I kept calling back to try to get managers someone say look, you promise this was time sensitive, etc. visit. Sorry for not doing it.

We never told you that while I called back a little while ago I said I'm sorry for being obnoxious because I feel called a few times and was this person look this needs to be done is time sensitive. You promise to do it when I tell you that this out with a new I am are not in ministry. Whatever. I thought that I was obnoxious. I was too persistent.

That was not right. I called to apologize. They appreciated we we we move on. God bless them in and we move on but but the point is this a watching world. There's a watching world and and we we are called as believers, especially as leaders have a good reputation with outsiders and that means that when there accusations that are brought they must be taken seriously if someone has been guilty of sexual sin of the abused others then and what about those victims minutes. One of the biggest reasons that so many are outraged with where the Catholic Church handled things are said Baptist convention handle things charismatic leaders of handle things that you're more concerned with protecting the reputation of the Church of the denomination of the leader, then you seem to be concerned with the victims the past victims and potential future victims week guide to better friends with.

How is God going to entrust us with more house dog or move in our midst. How is God gonna touch us so that we go on touchy dying world the greater in it and entrusting of his power of of of authority of anointing of grace of influence.

If we make such a mess of things in such a regular basis. Time just a partial unlimited very specific in terms of how we deal with things and address things and if you have related questions calls issues Thomas Rogan 866-3487 84 if we have time to take some random calls as well for cleansing and gives the line of fire with your host Dr. Michael Brown your voice and more cultural and spiritual revolution. Here again is Dr. Michael Brown in new book out this came out. What 393 resort has 40 reviews really on Amazon on and blown away by the reports of the readers.

It is in stock it is ready to be shipped out from Amazon. The producer goes with the website say I know the books have been delivered.

The first printing ran out immediately to how to do an emergency second printing. The publisher did soul if you haven't gotten the book Cummings get it all website liver books or sold and when she read it. Please do post review of the book is blessed you but I want to draw your attention to book that I wrote came out last year playing with holy fire, a wake-up call to the Pentecostal charismatic church and I wrote this book as a Pentecostal charismatic myself addressing our own camp and how much is really only reach you.

The table of contents esterified explaining how the spirit is moving mightily around the world to God is moving but then begin to address issues and problems in our camp next chapter is why we so gullible and then mercenary profits superstore leaders abusive leadership, unaccountable prophecy, sexual immorality, the peptalk prosperity gospel celebrating doctrinal deviance to the third heaven and back in a flash want to be wise like the world would we go from here in a postscript.

The living word to the charismatic critics I bring that up today friends because we have often been very lax in terms of dealing with moral abuses among our leaders.

I'll just speak as a charismatic is a Pentecostal charismatic but it's widespread in the church as a whole. All right.

Even the branches of the church that were with that I am not part of the Catholic Church, etc. we know about the pedophile scandal there really a homosexual scandal. There we that that's open news in that scandalous with Southern Baptist recent and then than other prominent leaders are not charismatic they're Calvinistic it's it's it's been a big problem is been a big problem and look that the goals are to bury a wounded leader the goal.

The goal is is to help rebuild someone in God. All right. And if they get back into ministry one day wonderful. Below is to rebuild and back in God and and and and family, etc. at N and we should recognize that people do mess up on one level or another, and that with us to repentance. There can be true restoration all right. And whatever we can deal with privately with the was privately but often we know about things and we look the other way 866-34-TRUTH if you want way and 866-3487 84 so specifically there were series of accusations against evangelist Todd Bentley who became prominent during some of the Lakeland outpouring in 2008 that had a very public fall.

There divorced his wife, married the woman that he had an affair with, and from that point on we had publicly been on record saying we did not believe he should be in ministry that we believe that true repentance and restoration would mean going back to his wife and children. Having that relationship restored, so I am not his policeman. I'm not here to attack him. I pray for God's best for his life.

That's always been our public position from the very first day literally. Once we heard the report and what was happening in his life, we issued a public statement as a congregation's leadership of fire church and if I've ever been asked about his ministry upset. I don't support it or endorse it. I can not say anything about current charges against him. They are under investigation. Like I can say is, is this all right and I have an article about it. You can read it on stream.org or Esther to Brown.org review read Mike my columns. It's on Townhall because is not political. It's it's too spiritual and posted their but the article's title when it comes to dealing with scandals, the church must do a better job than the National Enquirer and NII layout I layout on a number of different concerns in the first is this is not the time to throw stones at charismatics as a non-charismatic critics have have done.

I've read some scathing attacks the seas proves all these charismatics all these heretics. It's a look at them. It's like will hang on hang hot this is. This is widespread these issues and and allegations of sexual sin among leaders and and proven document sexual sin and finances and other scandals among leaders is not just charismatic friends this happen and many many other circle. So my my humble recommendation is rather than sit and throw stones at charismatics or particular group of charismatics which with which, in which Todd Bentley would administer we would been at home rather rather than do that about week look at our lives about. We ask is my house is my house in order help. How about we asked Lorna my living righteously before you are or are we conducting us with maybe your elders in the church for the church where you conduct yourselves righteously or you sweeping the hate looking for this.

If we let this out for any it's gonna bring so much press so we can sweep of the lie about this sort, or someone comes with modest testimony. We push them away is overdoing God for bid God for bid, but rather throwing stones at others the Todd Bentley will go to, not God knows and if he is guilty than he. He will pay in his ministry life or for what he's done okay is not guilty than those who falsely accused him have to have to deal with it all right but but the point is this. Yet, let let proper justice investigation. But these things take place. By all means 100% by all means that there is been a pattern serial abuse serial sin repeated unrepentant repetitive years than that must be dealt with absolute right but I'm saying rather than make this a moment to attack him for the fact that group about moment to search her eye. This will I always do right about the latest candlelight I search my own heart. I search my own life. Okay, maybe haven't done this this this and this. But am I living a life that is totally pleasing to God. Are there areas were were he's not happy. There is work where I need to step higher as first and second thing second thing please hear this, friends, please don't want to be moralizing and sermonizing in preaching at she would please.

I appeal to you to hear me when we fail to address sin privately will explode publicly fact friends. It's a fact. I remember some years back when the major evangelical leader. One of the best-known evangelical leaders in the country was exposed for very ugly repeated sexual sin with a homosexual prostitute and this is while leading a campaign against same-sex marriage in the state. Prominent evangelicals often in the White House and when this was exposed and realized it was true at me first when I think it's a false report hope for the best in this like gosh it's true, and that became apparent very quickly. I knew I knew I knew that because God is jealous for the reputation of Jesus and think if the reputation of Jesus gets maligned. If there's reproach that comes to the name of Jesus because of the sin of a leader all right. That means that someone else that may have heard the gospel and been saved may have heard the gospel been delivered may have heard the gospel and heal that person will not end up hearing it, they will not end up receiving the message so it's not just the name of the Lord is reproach, but people that could've been helped and heard the gospel won't because I Jesus formidably Jesus.

That's of this guy preaches like I preaches I so the point is this. When I saw this go public and this was big international news. I soaping report was on a trip to India. I I knew I knew that I knew that I knew that God must've been dealing privately, God must've been dealing privately with this man. This servant of the Lord. He must've been dealing with price sending messages to him privately for months if not four years before this was allowed to go public look and I know just just the fact that I, I was obnoxious trying to get this done today into persistent with folks. On his hopefully Regulus is relatively minor issue. I was convicted by the spirit know before I did radio one of the calls I'm I'm's I just want to apologize for being obnoxious and being too pushy with your staff today to receive the apology very graciously. They were happy to hear from me, you know with that. But is the Holy Spirit is is leave us alone, and if, if, God forbid, my sinner, your sin was going to bring massive reproach to the gospel to the name of Jesus to the reputation of the church. Are you telling me that God is not going to do whatever he can with within the realm of what he has set up a motorcycle force us to repent or change. So, I reset the parameters that he's gonna send messages to go on a look at the history of Israel forget my speculation. Look at the history of Israel and Judah wasn't same it over and over and over.

God even uses the image rye rose early and sent prophets uses an earthly was like I got up early in the morning and said the prophet, I did continually over and over and over generation after generation after generation and then when the message was scorned and scorned and sworn escort judgment So look at some school on your life and you can fix it privately fix fix and cover-up me get it right before explodes publicly if if you can do that if if you can. If you can fix it if if the sum to between you and another person that's been done or something. It's unconfessed that needs to be confessed wherever it's relevant to whomever it's relevant confessed get this thing right.

Humble yourself better. Better to humble yourself in private that to be embarrassed in public friends. If we dealt with our sin rightly privately within the spheres of authority because established would have all this approach, excluding the light a fire with your host Dr. Michael Brown in the line of fire now going to 866-34-TRUTH your exam is Dr. Michael Brown privately. When do we deal with sin publicly, this is Michael Brown.

Welcome to today's letter for 866-34-TRUTH 263487884 Robin posted on Facebook. Not every sin can be dealt with privately. You are absolutely right. For example, if if you are aware of the situation. Let's say, God forbid that I keep saying, God forbid, when I bring these things up, but tragically they happen. Let's say you were aware of someone within your own church congregation who had sexually abused several children will you go to the authorities. You don't just take that person aside privately and say hey you know, can we talk anything you want to confess anything on your mind and want to condemn know it. You know something like that is happening lives are being threatened. Laws are being broken you. You go to the authorities. You notify your pastor thus and such is been happening and I'm a witness to it, so I'm going to the authorities immediately. And if you have a pastor that's a human being with any beating heart for God, they wouldn't say I'm going with you immediately, and we got to deal with this right. So yes, and there are certain things if I sin publicly. I've got a confess publicly if ice if I posted something stupid, you know, I was annoyed with someone posting something stupid on social media than I apologize on social media absolutely, but so many things we make public that do not have to be made public. Whatever we can look there is the reputation of the Lord, there is the reputation of other individuals and where weeks where there is true repentance and true contrition and true humility. You do your best to cover and when people go on in sin and refuse correction, and refuse to humble themselves.

It will catch up sooner or later it and listen to me.

The later it catches up, or sickness. Jeremy it's I mean even worse for that person, can I say plainly in the kingdom of God.

Nobody gets away with anything. Yes, we sin, repent things under the blood listen if if if you rob a bank and then say Lord I'm so sorry did that.

Please forgive me. I repent he forgives you but now you gotta go to the police are rob the bank and then do the time. That's the reality. Okay, you be forgiven, but there still consequences for actions 866-34-TRUTH before we get to some general questions this go to Salt Lake City, Utah, Arras. Welcome to the line of fire.

Thank you Dr. Brunk and Jeremy yes I can. Okay are just like them very quickly share with you a number of years ago I was living in Washington state and I was coming home or not it on a Wednesday evening in the dark came out of the major study I stopped by a low quick stop to drink and as I walked down I will look to my right and there was my pastor and he was standing there looking at adult videos they have. Back in those days and so anyway he opened the meeting he came over in the start tell me what a great that it had in the lab and I went out the car and I got in the car and started home and let God what what do I do, you know, because I knew what I seen.

I knew what he was booking them in this stopped him to be so strong. I mean it was not just a thought came to me and if it you shut your mouth and pray for him and so anyway idea not either.

What church and as I walked in the church he saw me and he called me back to his office. The gross you saw what I was looking that they didn't like the gift idea if that article probably and that night he wept in front of the congregation.

I did not tell anybody about it, but he will throw a carburetion and actually told him that he had a problem with that and confess good and the congregation literally came around them and today 30 years later you still serving the Lord know. I just wanted to say you know there's numerous times that we just have to take direction from the Lord. He was very willing to confess yeah will rust.

Thank God that you heard God's voice and you obeyed and you pray I trust you're praying edits the conviction in his own life and then because of that he humbled himself before God and would appear if what you're saying got the help he needed to sign an easy thing to do what he did and with humility. There is grace. But here's the flip side, if you had seen him doing it every day for a month and then covering up when he saw you and then you actually saw him. Ditto soliciting a prostitute. Someone taken on the car. Obviously you not the same church. 30 years later, less and less. There's been serious issues dealt with and he stepped down to deal with these things and can get help. But what what a powerful illustration. I appreciate the call Ross and look God's, God's goal is always redemption is not his goal is always redemption and restoration. If there can be restoration to ministry restoration in our personal lives, and often that there is restoration ministry, but even then we come back with a greater brokenness walking with a limp. As Jacob did. After wrestling with some of God was sure bit more from article and then were going to change topics so I've emphasize that we know it would be here about this leader fell as a baptistery is charismatic is Catholic reason is that this is that rather than throw stones at the group search your own heart. Look at your own group and ask how we doing how we live in, and then let those in another group deal with the sin in their camp will be failed to address and privately explodes publicly look just like with your kids at home.

If there's patterns of bad behavior and rebellion in dangerous tendencies and you don't address me try to fix them might be read the headline about which kid did the age of 20 all know deal with things while we can.

What wall while they can be properly contained where there can be godly discipline and and an action taken.

That's always the better course, if we keep sweeping sin under the rug is in the article it will come back to haunt us and by this search.

Third, it's absolutely inexcusable and totally un-biblical for church leaders to put the reputation of an abusive leader before the real needs of the victims of that abuser along with the needs of those who will be abused for that leader Stan position short of saying that when we say what if this comes to light than so-and-so's can look bad pastor so-and-so bishop so-and-so brother so-and-so sister so-and-so Cardinal so-and-so. Whoever the person is if if if if if this comes to light the garlic. Bad ceramic and sweep it under the rug we discover a make believe it didn't happen in what what about the people in the bin abuse.

What about the people been taken advantage of what is and what about the people of that person stays in power unchecked them without getting help or without been brought to repentance that that the limit abuse and hurt in the future. This is why so many are outraged if it's better for the leader since but as human beings and Christians are forgiving people and just as we heard from Russ in Salt Lake City when his pastor got up and said I have a problem here.

Rather, the church throwing stones of them. They gathered around him and apparently from what's been city get the help he needed so we could then lead a godly life being overcome her people are quick to forgive. Not everyone all the time, but generally speaking, when we show genuine contrition speak with a contrite heart.

Don't point fingers at others point fingers at ourselves, humble ourselves and say I have a problem of sin. I'm guilty of no excuse. Please forgive me and and I'm stepping down for season. Depending on the severity of it or addressing this getting help here and take a sabbatical.

Whatever the thing is okay. However, severe or not, depending on the situation, people are quick to forgive and then you have to rebuild trust.

Is there think alike I was trusting all the time when you are leading a double life right or some said I knew something was right could tell something was wrong, and sometimes that leaders fighting desperately. God help me I'm messing up on missing I don't want to mess up in the thing get exposed as a grace when someone sees it happen here resting in the pastor Veenstra located X-rated videos so were quick to forgive but people are not quick to forgive when it went. When this cover-up and the person is allowed to abuse others quick to forgive for that all right forth forth church leaders are expected to live differently there some videos out people say look know it's perfect the role being stored. Church leaders are expected to live differently. God expects it in the church expects it as we were perfect, but we are called to be above reproach about the Greek for that means beyond accusation known to bring accusation against to be discipline godly and with a good reputation with outsiders. So leaders who, by definition, leave should be able said others follow me the way I follow Christ part of first refusal in one or about this. Philippians 49 we should all be able to say this, what you've learned and received and heard and seemingly practice these things in the God of grace will be with Sybil. We all sample, compounds that were called to be leaders were called to a different standard. And if we can't live by that statement. We should be leading others and and then and then lastly the Internet is not the place to settle private scores with leaders who bring accusations against the personal lives of others. I I listen I know for fact people posted lies about other leaders and other believers, because I know the situations intimate. I know for a fact there either just venomous vindictive or deceived because they got hurt. Try to hurt others. And it's so damaging and it's so destructive you said look, I know stuff going on in my local church right and those will deal with well be part of a denomination part of group are there any other churches in your do what you can to get the help of another leader. It may take time but better to do that than to just post the grievances online and see here's the problem.

Even if what you're writing is true and empowers a whole lot of other people you know if this will be due to we just post this. We just you know and and next thing you got muck and mire and junk circulating and and and just think that the world is not watching you think the only people that look at your Facebook page or Instagram, feel your twitter feed to your YouTube channel.

The only ones watching that our fellow believers who were party or your own group Kaman friends. We need to step higher. This demand, the stakes stakes are infinitely high. We come back and take some random phone calls.

Phone lines are open got some folks on hold, 86630 half-hour phenomena you to chat half-hour, for now 4:15 PM join me for you to chat next. It's the light a fire with your host activist, author, international speaker and theologian Dr. Michael Brown and voice of more cultural and spiritual revolution get into the line of fire now by calling 86643 here again is Dr. Michael Brown, just think God you don't hate it is our or real goal before the Lord to be a voice of moral sanity and spiritual clarity, and in a world in chaos in the church. All too often compromiser we can do that if we can be that we are super blessed all right transition to some general calls, 86 634-8784 I was reading some excerpts and expanding on excerpts from my article on how to deal with scandals in the church.

It's our website, instructor Brown dog org and also if you don't have my book, playing with holy fire and and you're interested especially from Pentecostal charismatic perspective. Some of the doctrinal abuses. Some of the gullibility that's in our circles. Some of the the sexual morality abuse of leadership in prophetic abuses of things that address as an insider right this with your Pentecostal charismatic are not of these things concern you. I encourage you to get the book and in the preface I explained why I didn't name names in this book, other things, there is that there are times and places to name names of the books I document every incident in" and things like that there were reasons I didn't name names and spoke very good biblically-based reasons, but is a safe. The shoe fits wear it all right to the phones we start in Charlotte Anna, thank you so much for holding welcome to the line of fire. Thank you very much for my question one. Thank you very much for your thing on the carrier paper that was incredibly helpful.

Great hand back and five on your diet change.

A lot of the video is five years. It just had just past five years I forgot to celebrate the five year anniversary. I guess on Saturday the 24th yeah but by God's grace. Boy I am thriving thank you thank you and I much appreciate how wonderful, wonderful, manically collect any problem you have had to perform any Bible I have Eastern Orthodox tripod will have a life application study Bible wondering if you thought that maybe in a Jewish study Bible different angle that would begin at a significant different angle that would give me a little more information perspective maybe on, especially some Old Testament things that they would either. We might not feel what all but deftly covered in all us hundred hundred percent it would bring other perspectives and there's a great one. Be right okay so so here's here's the deal. I years back I started to work on the project. I was the general editor and it was gonna emphasize messianic prophecy in apologetics, but I had a vision for messianic commentary through the whole thing, insights, etc. of the. The project failed the folks behind it run ably to complete with the needed to do with funding, etc. but ever since it remains a goal of mine to produce one with a team that would would be giving insights messianic Jewish insights throughout the whole Bible.

And then focusing on messianic prophecy in Jewish background to the New Testament and things like that.

So here's the closest you can come so far are you ready I'm writing okay you can get the complete Jewish study Bible.

The complete Jewish study Bible of the general editor is Barry Rubin. It is not a comprehensive study Bible go through all the verses relevant versus it's not. It is a messianic Jewish translation with about 100 special studies by two of the world's leading messianic Jewish scholars John Fisher and David Stern okay so that's the closest that we have others so that's a complete Jewish study Bible about insights were Jews and Christians, and again you'll have about 100 excellent essays throughout this one thing if you just want the New Testament, David Stern has a comprehensive messianic Jewish commentary on the New Testament. That's the the Jewish New Testament commentary well yeah no I'm what I'm saying is what I'm saying is you do have one where he goes through every relevant first in the New Testament with commentary so that does exist just for that part right.

The Jewish New Testament commentary by David Stern, but if you want David Stern's notes, along with John Fisher's notes in many relevant passages, then that's that the best thing that exists and pray that either either. Yours truly or someone else be able to get together what you're talking about we talk with publishers about it. There's a lot of active discussion. Different scholars are discussing it between ourselves.

Just pray and I would love to have this up and get it done and I got all kinds of vision forward in terms of really making it rich and beautiful but right now, pray for that. Okay, will do will do and to tell you what Anna, here's what I want you to do right there when and if you hear the announcement that this is coming out okay in the future. I want you to write to us to say I was the Anna from Charlotte who called and I will send you a free copy of the Bible and appreciation for your prayers.

All right how's that for future investment or prayer. Okay my good night you and I will pray for you currently employed even without your kind offer why I know you will. But thank you all right God bless you Anna, 866-34-TRUTH all right we go to John in California. Thank you also for holding welcome to the line of fire in a high hello Dr. Brown yeah I got yeah I'm here. Go ahead.

Please hear me. Yeah, go ahead. I got this question for you out all 19 and it it's all about the fun don't panic. Kind of dark done well in my Bible dark timber by 5V 19 Encounter Yeah Yes I Felt That in Them.

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He Felt It and Install and I and I Know You Have a PhD for Your You're Fully Aware of, You Know Hebrew Poetry the Whole Third of the Hebrew Bible Was Written in Hebrew Poetry All the Fall and the Prophets Basically to so in This Analogy, It's Very Very Put in My in Our Faith That David Is Saying That Don Is What Is Moving and He You the Very Portable Language, Even Militaristic Language and and so I I I Know That It Be What I Guess. I Guess Where I'm I'm My Problem Here Is That My Question to You Is, Is That We Have Modern Cosmology and Then We Have Biblical Cosmology and and so I Am Beginning to Follow the Biblical Cosmology of the Done What Coping and Yes Ursula yet Limit. Let Me Jump in Okay in the Bible Is Speaking about Natural Phenomenon That Uses Observational Language Right in Ecclesiastes 1. The Sun Rises and Sets out so Here Is Vivid, Observational Language, the Poet David Is Being Inspired Not to Understand Science. Here, but to Talk about How God Declares His Glory through Nature and with the Sun Does As the Sun Runs Its Course across the Sky and Watch the Sun Move from Here to There and in This Note, like a Bridegroom Coming out the Can of the Sky like a Tent for Written and All of That. So He's Being Inspired to Talk about How God Is Glorified through This and How His Voice Goes out in Nature.

As You Know the Context of the Psalm. The First Half of the Psalm of God Speaking through Nature Second Half of the Song God Speaking through His Word and It Just Uses Observational Language Had David Used at Language That Was Scientifically Accurate and It Had. He Had That Information. The Whole World, Including All the Israelites Would've Thought He Was Crazy.

Everyone Said What Are You Talking about, and in the and to Talk about Scientifically on the Earth As It Rotates around the Sun at This. That's Not the Point. The Point Is What I'm Seeing As I'm Seeing the Sun's Making Its Course across the Sky and Shouting out a Message from God of the Glory of God and Shining Forth with the Team until It Goes to the Other Side and Disappears, and I Can Say That Today and No One Is Going to Draw Cosmological Observations from It. It's One Thing If the Bible Was Only a Cosmologist Tightening Okay. Got You Don't Have in Your Cosmology You Don't Have It Either Felt. But the Bible That the Bible Habitat Which Is Called the Firmament That We Had the Skaneateles Discussion. II Thought You Were the Same on the Call. This Is All but Right Now to Discuss with You Because You Will Be Me off but I Try to Be.

I'm Trying to Be Respectful to You That I'm Saying the Bible Is Serious and Is Not to Teach Us about Cosmology or It's Not, Is to Teach Us about God's Glory Nature Using the Understanding of the Day.

The Scientific Understanding of the Day. I'm Not Going off.

I'm Suggesting It Now Uses the Authority to Sign Are You Talk Here.

I Can't Tell You Taylor Is That I Got John John the Shows Ending in 30 Seconds. I Didn't Blow You off Last Time You Just Not Listening to Me, Sir.

All Right. With All Respect, the Bible Is Not Trying to Teach Us Cosmology or It's Got 10 Different Images in 10 Different Scriptures. Okay.

And You Know Job Is As He Hangs the Earth on Nothing and Then You Got Different Descriptions of Firmament and Different Descriptions of of of Many Things in the Creation Because It's Not There.

Teach Us Science Cosmology. If You Realize That You Make a Say, a Million Different Things Five Different Authors Contradict Each Other, Bible Using the Survey.

Should the Language Get the Message That Is Trying to Convey Our Friends 15 Minutes from Now Will Be Back on