‘Best of’ Broadcast: Talking About Angels with Michael Heiser

Angels Jeff at Guardian Angel Arthur angels battling in the heavenly's what in the world is going on with angels look at the word today stage for the line of fire with your host activist, author, international speaker and theologian Dr. Michael Brown your voice of moral cultural and spiritual revolution Michael Brown is the director of the coalition of conscience and president of fire school of Ministry get into the line of fire valves like always 866-34-TRUTH that's 866-34-TRUTH your Jim is Dr. Michael Brown wrote, we are going to have a fascinating discussion today about angels. Yes angels.

What does the word of God say about angels. How does this develop from Old Testament to New Testament. What can the Jewish background to the New Testament, tell us about what people believe concerning angels.

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Now my guest.

That's going to discuss this in great detail today is Dr. Michael Heiser. He is an unusual man in that his books are best-selling books, but his training is highly academic.

He is trained. Prof. he has a PhD from a secular university and Semitic languages, just as I do and yet he has a way of popularizing material is been a guest with me a number of times before and we always have a fascinating discussion. Perhaps you heard of him with his book the unseen realm of perhaps you have read some of his other books. Or perhaps you have of Lagos software and you really enjoyed using that Dr. Heiser is overseeing that in terms of the academic side of it.

So these can be joining me his new book angels with the Bible really says about God's relevant host and of okay hang on one second. We are just having an issue with our connection and I am just going to ask for a phone number from Dr. Heiser now and then we will get him on the line with us shortly hear something really interesting. All right of it looks like Dr. Heiser was expecting a Skype connection with us today. Whereas we are trying to connect via phone so that I think is our problem.

On the one hand we worship God we worship God only we don't worship intermediary beings in the book of Revelation at the end of the book of Revelation, John the apostle falls down at the feet of an angel and the angels don't don't worship me. I'm not just a fellow servant like you are in the Hebrew word for for Angel model off is is actually someone who is a messenger so sometimes it can just refer to a human being who was sent on the mission of the book of Malachi is actually mullah see my messenger.

That's what it is and Hubert, but the majority of the time this word is used in Scripture for a supernatural being for a a being created by God, who is not flesh and blood and these angelic beings have great power. These angelic beings have great authority.

These angelic beings are sent on missions to support us God's people.

There is also warfare in the spirit there are battles in the spirit that are being fought in these angels are intimately involved. In fact, let me just do one more thing to get Dr. Heiser here with us. Okay, looks like we've got the right number to call. Okay, we should be joined by him any moment. His new book that I'm holding up angels affect, let me just tell you about this with the Bible really says about God's heavenly host, in fact, we have a special resource offer. Check this out. Only our website Esther to Brown.org you get his book together with my 12 hour teaching on the subject of angels, demons and deliverance are recorded this year's back. It's the best teaching every dent did not in-depth with the Bible says about angels about demons and about the subject of deliverance from demonic power without further ado, my guest, Dr. Michael Heiser hey Michael, sorry for that mix up. We had getting on the air great to be with you today. Thank you, respectively. Although at the air I think was rent salsa Michael right before he came on I mentioned your background being somewhat unique in that you are highly trained, academically and and most folks who will go the academic route and PhD's from secular universities and things like that you want to be professors or you write academic monographs and things like that. So you have all those credentials and you do all that academic work to undergird Lagos software and get your books which are well researched and in full detail or are popular in tone anyone can read them was that something that that you had to come and learn to do find that balance or did it always come easily to communicate on a popular level well or yard. I'd like to say that I obeyed all pertinent.

But why does the right, but I really think it comes more naturally. Have a good editor but that helps so all right. You've written on the unseen realm that's an obvious segue to writing about angels, but it isn't really you really write a whole book about angels is there that much material in the Bible about angels yeah there is a drill down book on being relevant for the Revelation or the way of the land biblical theology with regard order of the unseen world intersect with hours by divine so this one drill down on the good guys there is enough material for that and to be a following book at some point management authority and knows what appear on the bad guys. I did that by design because the new bad guys get ultra related to get all the faith time. When we want to talk about the thing but the loyal members of God's heavenly Scripture is a lot there about them to you some years back.

It was actually in the late 80s and we started to dig into this. I just went through everything in the Bible about angels and demons and was shocked by how much material there was obviously the world in which we live, especially our Western culture will think about these things, so much so we can to downplay how much is in the Bible about this, but there is a tremendous amount so it looks we start with a simple question this. Every believer have a personal guardian angel were given that kind of thing but I do think were given in the make the conclusion yeah a reasonable and I think that way because the other like back in about your Jesus warning about spending little one part of the reasoning that you want to do that because the there angel always be the faith of my father and we have neighbors 114 and angels are ministering.

On the behalf of those who will inherit salvation is a long history of the Old Testament is as you know ancient near Eastern cultural Israelite culture Scripture your husband's idea of heavenly book, but book of life that there are a variety of book.

The metaphor is tedious, but God is a bad memory. He felt that the metaphors that got missed anything, and other talk about it like that on realm, God. It we got run thing is he included as partners use intelligent creatures this case, members of the heavenly host to help him govern the world and administer the world a part of that era is the bigger task is assisting believers having this relationship were the supernatural world intersect with the human world. So if you put all that together to defend how you define guardian.

I think that's part of the issue, but I think at the very least we can say the idea that God members of the heavenly host believers and that this occurs on a personal level, not just sort of unambiguous serial abstract level. I think that the biblical idea and use much of the heavenly host a few times you start your book out referring to the heavenly host, so in Scripture. God is the God of hosts of the knots for oats. So it's hosts its armies what what you said suggests that they are referred to in the sense of hosts/armies was in terms of function order number. What is that title mean to you think question they put it that way. The most obvious overlap the Army matter for which no you see that in the old Berkeley as well.

The intercut metal literature where you.have a large number of celestial being supernatural children is at work better for him in a sort of judgment. The military contact, but host also include the fact that they have other jobs as well. Just some sort of military offensive going on, but it does refer is about the bureaucracy that there are number of And I don't believe you put this because what the first thing I do of the book. The first chapter is talk about terminology feel this is where I think a lot of our modern Christian confusion stems from you, we tend to match all the vocabulary together and call everything in the heavenly host an angel really misses a lot of things, but what I do in the first chapters, I Christian terminology to got three bucket wanted one of their term private nature of a member of the heavenly host workbook. That thing is. Terms like. Holy one. Okay.

And then their term to describe status and hierarchy sons of God is one of those curved helpful family and even host again as a subservient relationship their service relationship as well. But then there are specific third category vocabulary to describe function angels. One of those basically a job November the heavenly host take the angel about our report on the loss agree that that's what they are. Your mother with your ministers watchers mediating language, cherubim, and their team leader thrown guardian terms but they're all job descriptions.

They are task oriented book physically started/angel with cherubim therapy would come out in our Christian tradition is the angel of weighing everything is an angel decree confusion in terms of what actually defined in the text and what those audits doesn't go on. All right, so that our cherubim cuisine is stressing seraphim on angels or demons, fallen Angels get a bunch of questions for Dr. Heise.

You can call with yours. 866348784. The line of fire with your host Dr. Michael Brown voice of moral cultural and spiritual revolution. Here again is Dr. Michael Brown back friends change the line of fire broadcast 866-348-7884 the recall my special guest Dr. Michael Heiser's brand-new book angels. The Bible really says about God's heavenly host, widely available, getting great, great reviews on Amazon. I just check there before the show just been out since last month. Great reviews one after another only single negative review said there's too much information in here too much of the Bible in your seven overwhelmingly great support if you go to my website and start to brown W can get the book along with a 12 hour teaching series I did on angels, demons and deliverance. Before we get to my specific questions, all of which of course are answered in your book. I wanted to give you an opportunity to respond. I just saw this YouTube commentary comment on our YouTube live feed about user. He elevates false books to Scripture level then changes the Bible translation to match the false books so I am guilty sir today of having a false teacher on my show today so only because other people have this misconception I I want to take a minute to address it. I don't want to degrade the discussion by the address these things but some people just don't understand what you believe what you what you teach and so number one Jew elevates false books to Scripture level member to do Chase the pie for translation to match the false books what you say Dr. Michael Heiser yellow.

Billy the person of goodbye contact your friend by contact with her, but I can do to help you practice is the biblical writer in both the old of the New Testament read or not they read book and the book that they read might be the bail cycle.

It might be in English that might be some Greek philosopher.

The book of Enoch or whatever when they read book sometime. They quote from the book sometime. There's something in those books that sort of thing alluded to, or that we can tell if we read that others thought. We can help help the biblical writer, breath and idea no-fault.

I don't write the Bible and write it.

I don't write it. I just read it and biblical writers read thing those things contribute to what they write, then we need we need to be able to read the Scripture from the perspective of the people that God used to produce it, and when we do that, then we interpret the Bible and contact and we become more intelligent readers of the Bard. I so it's it's that simple. The Bible the same bottle and I yet is the same Bible. Dr. Haas uses when not adding taking away simply explaining how things are quoted, how their use inside of changing Bible translations as a matter of looking at all the evidence we have in the ancient manuscripts and things like that.

Maybe the question or need for hear me say something I'm quoted on YouTube it a few hundred thousand. Consider the book of Enoch Bard. I don't think it should be in the canon but who cares. Okay what I what I do recommend is that you we read… Because if we do will be able to sort of pick up little breadcrumb at the writers are laying will pick up with her laying down a little bit better because we've read material that they read and that help them express certain ideas, but it really is that because that simple really is that simple. In any case, I I just wanted to get that out of the way. Maybe it might just need to copy it before you come on, he is not a false teacher believes in the same one God, the same Bible now for this discussion okay okay I'm sure you had a deal with stuff about me when I was in your podcast little was better.

Yeah. In any case. In any case so cherubim seraphim are.

Are they angels they don't, they are separate functions. Any given member of the heavenly code serve God in a variety of ways. There are some who take refuge in your angel you call them angels call the attorney that describes what they're doing, where the Caribbean therapy are thrown guardian. One term is drawn from the world of Enya. The other is drawn from the world of ancient Egypt that they describe the Main job. I don't know if if they work and shift work there know what they're a Kahlúa cherub gets off work at Nike moonlight as a messenger later. I don't know all of these terms are just job. They describe various function things of the heavenly host does service to God because of the Caribbean therapy. That's about protecting the right by keeping God they are free from defilement, but why would profit from and to the throne room of God.

They need to be purified. See this particular theme that that's what they do they protect God her in that way now, obviously, is a biblical scholar you could get into things to say. While this is fascinating. This is amazing and we spend our lives doing that is biblical scholars but then there's the other question why does this matter to me.

How does this help me. Why is this in the Bible and the Bible does say it matters if it does tell us about angelic activity. So how does this help me.

Why is this important for me to know as a believer you actually open the book, addressing that question in the short version of the elevator elevator for conversion to the more you know about the heavenly code.

The more you will be able to pick up on how God looks at what I mean by that is there.

There's a lot of vocabulary family vocabulary partnering vocabulary that God uses of the heavenly host that also is used believe and frankly, there are specific examples that sort of fade into the background that we get the New Testament members, the heavenly ghost that really become our property. As believers note what that means is that the vocabularies of incidental take sons of God are children of God very familiar term in the Old Testament the way the heavenly host pickpocket over time through the Intercontinental. On that language begins to recede in the New Testament directly don't have it used to supernatural beings members, but you do have use the believers if believers are called holy translation date because it meant frankly it scares and obliterate the Old Testament connection.

Believers who are wholly look believers were sons of God, believers were children of God and were supposed to be thinking about Old Testament but we can counter those term God wanted his heavenly family to be with his human family back in Eden.

Humanity was supposed to be created for sacred faith. They were obliterated by the fall, but God is still thinking of human that way especially when you get to the New Testament. It was really fat is the way God looked at good sort of influence by this analogy, the template of God heavenly family really serves to help us sharpen our focus on God's earthly family is the incarnation Jesus is not only our Lord is our sibling is our brother. This language again and in Hebrews 12 is really important because God now looks that not only is all part but he looks at us in a way that.

That is why we are going to judge angels prescriptive fix.

We are the ones put over the nation and not the angels.

It wasn't for the angels that Christ became.

It was for human skin. You can do can sort of see the one side the New Testament side we're looking for clearly. If you understand how God relates to how he thinks about his heavenly family in the Old Testament.

And this is not an accident not coincidental of because were supposed to think of ourselves as belonging with God is been pretty is present and again there all those are just two examples of how the one template forms the other.

A lot of these thoughts just run through Scripture is not like we can't get the gospel must be read like books ridiculous, but you can appreciate sort of the framework for how believers are talked about.

If you know little bit about the unseen world the way God interacts with and partners with talked about his heavenly. It is important to step back and think about that because Michael on honestly for the most part when we think about angels we don't think about these analogies. We don't think about angels recall sons of God, houses that we are sons of God, angels, a part of a heavenly family. What is that mean to us.

Sometimes we just need to step back and look at that larger picture and then then it helps us if we draw the pelicans. We know the reality of our relationship with God. It helps us recognize how real these angelic beings are it, we just got a minute before the break, but for your average Westerner which you think is that the biggest obstacle for thinking about the angelic and spiritual realm. The biggest obstacle is being you know we are. We are raising a barter. Look, a rationalistic scientific worldview and I don't believe for a minute that the modern world have to be in conflict with spiritual world and its reality.

But finding reality to the spiritual world sort of beaten out of us unconsciously and subconsciously, by virtue of who we are moderate is very true. It is offering you know there's the joke that in Africa there are no atheists or the spiritual realm is just as real as the natural realm. These are just sayings, but it does remind us of a worldview is very different. The new book by Dr. Michael Heiser angels like to get it with my extensive 12 hour teaching series on Angel schemes and deliverance from a website*around the Lord, we come back right got asked the question for the demons of the fallen angels] error on the line of fire with your host Dr. Michael Brown. Your voice is more cultural and spiritual revolution. Here again is Dr. Michael Brown friends to the modified broadcast my guest today, Dr. Michael Heiser Old Testament Semitic scholar and best-selling author. His newest book off to best-selling pace already is angels with the Bible really says about God's heavenly host, get the book together with a 12 hour audio series, I did teach on angels, demons, and the subject of deliverance from a website asked Dr. Brown.org Michael I know this is not the subject of your current book and yet it will be the subject of I believe your next book, but in a nutshell are demons fallen Angels in your biblical opinion I think that craving by a job Scripture with a demon. Demons are evil hostile or natural agent.com we do not come from the heavenly host if we take seriously what is hinted at in the Old Testament as far as I'm thinking here the rep i.e. which you very well. If we take that seriously, along with second Temple literature demons are the disembodied. Of the defendant to the left believe the giant client so they are not all angels are even fallen celestial being being who remembers whatever those two wanted to revalue their something different but they are there. They all have the same enemy that would be God.

God and believers as well based basically if we are in an all-out battle with demonic powers. The biggest issue is how do we deal with these powers as opposed to where you fallen angels or dyspnea know that so that it is an interesting question right and that the Bible does not give a definitive specific answer to that which is interesting in that was if this is something essential for us to know we would know it, but what what about going back to angels and I want us to stay there the rest of the broadcast. What about angels who identified in person as you mention in your book like Michael like Gabriel minutes passing the hat they have names there spoken about in Daniel 10. There is there is a battle. Seems like a wrestling match in the heavenly's one Angel us to come and help the other. I mean what what you make of this. I think in Daniel. The point is in concert with something much older than right that it Deuteronomy 32 worldview that I spent a lot of time talking about it on. Realm of the nation's punishment.

The judgment of Babel were assigned to other members of the heavenly host, by definition, are luster, the God of Israel and Yahweh, and they were supposed to be caretakers of illuminations, according to God. Good justice and God would get back to them.

He made a covenant with Abraham talking about the nations will be brought back into the family, but in the meantime that didn't go very well because you get out of the free will. Nature of the members of the heavenly comes from the God of these angelic photo angelic being and we know from psalmody to that the both sons of God, who were assigned to the nations become corrupt.

You were not given a timeline we don't know exactly where it again.

I agree with you if these things were important, God was expelled about, but they do become hostile and evil and so that's the backdrop for the situation in Daniel what what Daniel really telegraphed is that behind the geopolitical movement that we be either that that are administered by people. There's a greater supernatural intelligence that is fallen is evil is hostile to God and his people now we have to remember that the reason why the nations are what they are. Why the justice brothers evil why there is claimant that we see all sorts of horrible things is really two reasons. One is people. People are fallen people are perfectly white capable of speaking self gratification power violence. Whatever. But the other is the supernatural element that I think that's what Daniel makes clear enough but personally I think that will we get about Michael needing assistance decode this whole sort of situation I don't believe that Michael is the highest celestial being underneath God's authority. I think Daniel 10 gives a glimpse of that Michael is one of the chief priest is not the Prince of the host is not the one command of everything. So what I do in the book as I tie that language. It was Joshua five back to the Lord and a few things that happened later in Daniel 11 that telegraph is there is there is a quote man in the being unidentified; orders not Gabriel.

If somebody else please this divine Vatican God is better. The Old Testament and applicant points are waiting for the ultimate Lordship of Christ in the New Testament, but more immediate point of your question. Yeah, behind geopolitics, there is the supernatural element that we need to realize Scripture affirms and lesson passages like Exodus 3 were the angel of the Lord's of the mall off the messenger of the Lord appears to Moses and the burning bush that is not consumed and then is Moses interacts with this voice in the burning bush.

The voice begins to speak directly for God, and in fact Moses is still take your shoes off your feet.

The place restating his holy is that indicate that this was a a pre-appearance of the son of God or some type of theophany God literally appearing or is it just that that Angel carried the presence of God has made the ground. Holy and could speak on behalf of God. I think this particular Angel is Yahweh the God of the Bible in human form, in part because of that we do for God in human form and other past dues are one of them actually draws of the three language the incident. Joshua five was at the capital Lord posted of the live view as the Prince of princes of the Prince of the host to the waters over all of it. I view them all. All these characters is interchangeable defense thing you take your shoes off your feet, because where you're standing is holy ground. We have a direct connection word for word back to the reassuring.

In this case he's embodied you your peers as a radically becomes important because the description of this one with the sword drawn is that phrase in Hebrews. I point out in the book is used only two other places. One of the numbers 22 the others in first Chronicles 20 or 21 were it. The person with that clearly explicitly called the angel of the Lord that I think that's important to know I don't dollars like they will like to know your misunderstanding the Holy Spirit can cause the of the best in your and of course when the messenger shows up people in the room assume that you speaking for the one who spent the spent evidence, so we use the first person line which I get all I know all of this is too bad that that doesn't work, just 48.

Look at Genesis 48, 1550. This is just prayer your what he says may the God who protected me.

May the God who strengthens me. And you expect the third standard to be made to God who did something else. Plus the boys. That's not what you get me the angel and the verb making glass your fingers. You can't translate it. May Babel make me but in the angel is not the speaker is nothing in the past.

It's Jacob's recollection, his own death of these episodes in his life and in the end. Clearly God and the angel have been linked together by virtue of the singular verb in these episodes that preceded so I don't know all that is really God's man in the office by Wednesday this week. He is Jesus of Nazareth.

Peter was the one very I would.

The second person. Yes X-Acto as God's man in the Old Testament, and now we get the incarnation of the same person with a person of the Trinity.

Now incarnate in Christ incarnation beyond visual deity or even an embodied deity in the Old Testament incarnation is a step up of all yeah was unremarkable I had developed all my own material on this based on the Hebrew Bible, and based on most of the rabbinic literature and written about extensively, only to discover videos on YouTube before unseen realm before I seen that videos on YouTube are you are saying this is the same thing using the same arguments and we had never met and there were discuss these issues and you are quoting me I was, according use and it was these are deductions from Scripture and even know it in for example when when Paul's writing to the Thessalonians that he prays he speaks of the father and the sun basically that God would guide and it's a singular verb. It's it's the same kind of same kind of thing here and then Hosea 12. It references an angel of the Jacob wrestled with an angel.

Genesis 32, says he wrestles with a man that he says I've seen God face to face him and that would send the video going yeah yeah that the exaggerate for your Jewish listeners you should not include two Christian guys talking about what you expect no, no, go to Benjamin Palmer's book yeah bodies of God, is a professor. The professor, the Jewish theological seminary in New York. I don't think the point blank in his book like the Christian idea of the Trinity is quite compatible with the Hebrew Bible Tickets not just the people who just left intact speak unfiltered and not only so, she was not thrilled with the conclusions that he came and he is and he's been anything but like hey let me work with these messianic Jews are. We work with these evangelical Christians us. The site is his thinking.

All he sees in the right medical scholar brilliant guy obviously and yeah same thing. I read the stuff of thought amazing.

He's coming to the same conclusions based on same literature hate one minute before the break. Who is Mattel Tron you have a whole section in your book about second Temple Jewish angelology give us an introduction to Metatron where you're at docket literature for this, but Metatron Metatron. What do you think this is one of those figures. In the second Temple literature that become part of what dollars all the matrix of Jewish buying it.

Jewish Godhead Metatron in certain text is called the has a relationship and actually get this terminology whole L both names of God applied to this particular Angel who get is unified are united to conceptually Metatron so this is another figure of 08 second God big bad guys then it has this highly exalted place where he is, as his board very interesting. I was Dr. Michael Heiser. The book Angels all yeah you will get this.

It's the line of fire with your host activist, author, international speaker and theologian Dr. Michael Brown voice of more cultural and spiritual revolution get into the line of fire now by calling 6643 here again is Dr. Michael Brown. So here's here's how you get the best of Mike and Mike. My website asked Arthur Brown.org order Dr. Michael Hudson's new book angels with the Bible really says about God's heavenly host when you get that were including with it. My 12 hour audio series 890 minute lectures on angels, demons, and deliverance.

It's a good it's a great savings great deal at our website. Asked her to Brown.org Michael the. The longer we do the interview, the more questions I think I love Ted asked the good news is, folks will get answers to all the questions in your book. Someone asked our Facebook live streamed it angels interact with us dimensionally. Obviously we could try to figure out what is meant by dimensionally so the broader question, according to the Bible, the angels interact with believers today can we expect something like that. If so, how would it look like yeah I do think you're liking it will use a broad term, but it needed the New Testament book be very nuanced language of the Old Testament. All these terms about functioning hierarchy and whatnot. They pretend to be conflated in the angels the angel by the time you get the New Testament determinedly used for the good guys and demon tend to be a term used for the bad guys will go back. I think angelic interact with humans is a biblical idea. Not only do you have the no watching or caretaking.

The thing sort of thing. Your guardian angel idea, but you do have again statements like in Hebrews 114 were angels are ministering spirits sent to be of assistance to those who will inherit salvation if you affirm that person that requires some sort of interaction night. I would tend to think based on Hebrews 13 the comment about extending hospitality people because they people have entertained angels unawares harkens back to the Old Testament, but I would think that the Old Testament serves as our template without work. They were indiscernible from people.

People didn't know in the Old Testament if they were in the presence of an angel. Typically, until that Angel did something pretty spectacular that people can do like strike a city block.

Okay then then the people in the story of the state does. Despite a lot figures out well, okay, there must be something morally. The unordinary visitor, because that is not something people can do so I tend to think that the way it works. God then angels out to minister to us and we may not have the foggiest idea that that is what has just transpired.

We should be open to God doing like you did in the Old Testament because it confirmed in the New Testament are you so having you on the year I've got a Bible scholar. You basically parsed every word is that the Hebrew and Greek Scriptures for Lagos software. So maybe you could help us have ever found this verse I just must've missed it. But the verse in the Bible that explicitly describes angels as as fat little guys primarily make it cut like a diaper, think playing harps floating on clouds that I somehow missed that verso could you please tell me where that is. You want to know that Hebrew word for diaper clad yeah this is Mesopotamian context to please you. The kind of idea that you derive their time in the Christian tradition because no we not only conflate terms of the old 30 get the wings idea waiting angel with turbulent therapy but also later church tradition. In this case the think that will is assumption of the want when Christians die, they become angels when infants die and their innocent there must be angels to get the sort of logic that fails in a number of respect but the notion that infants who die are in the positive afterlife in the presence of God, that sort of become a guiding hermeneutical router for leading this description of angelic beings little cherubic being.

It is not biblical. Even though I believe that biblically yeah you infants aborted children.

I think you can really Marshall a good exegetical argument that they are with the Lord that put aside and have anything to do with a biblical description of the supernatural being over things tend to get conflated in Christian tradition and just sort of passed on as doctors because angelology is one of those things people don't spend a lot of time thinking about what I think you are to our detriment because of the way God's heavenly family and is heavily partnered with the way that lack overlap leftover the way God looked deleted. I think that that's true or law.

I remember all maybe two years ago I had Pastor Jack Graham on the phone with the pastor of Prestwood Baptist of doing a radio interview he had written the book on angels a very different style. Your skill base that him being kind of a preaching pastor in conveying things like that but the end of the interest value. I look at this fresh I was so inspired by what he had to say in the role of angels in Scripture that even though I knew it intellectually, I was freshly inspired as as you dig deep as you open these things up. It's your group goal is not to write inspirational. Your goal is to inform, but as word form were edified were help.

This is so much in the Bible about this and you in the book dealing with with myths and wrong conceptions, but it isn't a master's of the right interpretation of Jesus words that that angels don't sexually reproduce in the in the afterlife world presence of God is the source of life. Angels are not by nature and body or spirit of the Bible calls so if you're in that realm, which of course is that you're thinking of the resurrection in that realm. There is no need of reproduction is not your biological not the realm of the body that is not to deny Jesus post-resurrection uses her body working to get some sort of body before it is to deny that we necessarily have to have body human terrestrial functions, one of which is to perpetuate the species. However, having said that, beginning in the book I going to affect of the literature about this too is not just Old Testament Peter and Jude affirmed the just the fixed event is having to do with supernatural beings do not just normal people and you have the sexual language there. Second Temple writers. Of course does the same thing as well. Ancient near Eastern people outside Bible did, but I think in the Bible.

This is the right way to refund of God and that they will their contradiction there no, because when human terrestrial space within the terrestrial realm/something approximating human flesh and maybe perhaps no were not told like what the difference between this incarnation other than the process of procreation traveling the birth canal up the but we we have something that is truly fleshly and from that human even though we don't arrive at that body the same way but talk about it. Angel of the Lord God is better if you like that do not have incarnation in the truth of the term, but that body can do things that normal human body do they can keep a little have to be angels in their own spear, even though there body to Beltway have to eat to perpetuate consult with them when they come to earth. They do they can I do. They can wrestle with people you have this procreation language that I think when they're here when they're in this, then that changes from that they are on their own their own route. This is why the agenda was viewed as such a horrific transgression because I think note to you Judy peters language. Now they left their proper domain and use second Temple language. They tried to raise up imagers for the know and I was viewed as an abomination to sort of pull the rug out from under God that we want our own population is this rivalry between certain members of the heavenly host goddesses is how this whole thing was interpreted so know it and having you don't need bodies it'll don't need bodily functions, but when they come to earth. This is the way their activities described seems to be some sort of baby.requirement even though I like the phrase required for the dress but argues that but it seems to be normative.

Some sort of embodiment that you human seems to be the way to go. The way things are done they occupy our space was interesting also said in the heavenly realm is no death. So it is not a need to repopulate. By the way, you be pleased to know that I once heard a pastor who had was a missionary for years and die and then claim to have gone to heaven and then returned when he was resuscitated and he said that he saw angels, and they had no plumbing. So just to just to confirm the head for another. I hate I'm sure if Dr. James White was on the air with me. He would love to interact with you about Psalm 82, but maybe you could do a broadcast with him on his show one day but but thanks for giving an hour of your time. I know you're busy.

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