Best of Broadcast: Can There Be Atonement without Blood Sacrifice?

Can there be atonement without blood start line of fire, your host activist. All international speaker and theologian Dr. Michael Brown your voice of moral cultural and spiritual revolution Michael Brown is the direct coalition of conscience fire school of Ministry of the line of fire by going 866-34-TRUTH 866-34-TRUTH your job is Dr. Michael Brown as I speak to you right now Jews around the world, or either in a local synagogue or temple praying and fasting, asking God to forgive their sins, confessing sins and asking him to have mercy and to inscribe their names in the book of life for another year of life and other parts of the world. They have now finished their fast or eating are hoping that their prayers were accepted.

It is the most sacred day on the Jewish calendar, Yom Kippur, the day of atonement, culmination of what are known as the days of all you mean no team beginning with the setting of the trumpet of the first day of the seventh month, which becomes the Jewish new year to Jewish new year starts with a tone of sobriety, a time of repentance, preparing to stand before God, great question to ask is, can there be atonement without the shedding of blood without blood sacrifices welcome friends to the line of fire. This is Michael Brown is thoroughly Jewish Thursday. If you have a Jewish related question for me number to call 866-34-TRUTH 866-34-TRUTH 784 and I always remind my fellow believers in Yeshua with you were Jewish or Gentile.

This is a great time to pray for our Jewish people to pray for my people to pray for hearts and minds to be open to pray for recognition of the depth of our sin on Yom Kippur. You go through many many confessions and in the special prayer book for this day in special prayer services and you confess corporately every kind of sin and even petro breast a certain point in the symbolic way of saying I'm sorry for the sin so your sins, the sins of the people of Israel as a whole and yet something happens when God's spirit makes us aware of our sinfulness, we get a glimpse of his holiness and become undone, like Isaiah was Isaiah 6 when he saw the Lord and suddenly saw himself as a man of unclean lips living in the midst of a people of unclean lips so there is this recognition of God's holiness which deeply uncovers our sin makes us more aware makes us aware of her need for torment that atonement has been definitively provided for succumb to that little while but let's start with the question. Can there be atonement without blood a few days ago, a colleague sent me this article asking for my response to it is on the Orthodox Jewish website ultra-Orthodox Jewish website, Bob.org is an answer to a question of Ishmael Cogan answering the question, and it is atonement in the absence of sacrifices? So I only read through some of this article with you, then I will look at the specific references that they bring from Scripture to say yes, there can be atonement without blood sacrifice. I want to show you why these arguments fall terribly short of the mark and what we need blood sacrifice.

Ultimately, the size, blood so let's start with the article question. Please help me to understand is the foundation for God's forgiveness and atonement was initially the sacrifice on the altar. Neither the tabernacle or later the temple. How does one now find forgiveness and atonement since the temple and physical sacrifices no longer exist. Obviously if the temple did exist use would be offering sacrifices to this day is not exist in Jerusalem since your seven. So here's the answer. You ask an excellent question or we lost with regards to ability to attain forgiveness from God due to the loss of our temple and the writer says I like first at first like to point out that this question isn't specific to sacrifices there many mitzvot commandments that we cannot perform today because of our exiled state to give a reference to that among the other mitzvot. We cannot observe to their pilgrimage to the temple for the festivals many times and many loss associated with ritual purity and impurity will we are deprived of these many mitzvot. God gave us alternative ways to realize the benefits of these mitzvot before this will be another most ideal form was because always have always made do with the alternatives. But as you sacrifices and atonement's as an example so the rabbi answering this is okay there many things that we cannot do fully that the Torah commanded, but God gave us alternatives. Is that true and and is the inability to offer sacrifices perhaps bigger than some of these other things that we could not do. If we were seeking to follow the Sinai covenant. So the author continues. Some have claimed that atonement can be attained only through blood sacrifice.

This cannot be the case. After all, one of the offerings brought by a sinner, was the core bombings, which is made up of flour so if you could not afford an animal sacrifice, you would bring a flower sacrifice and there is a little and note there when you click on it it brings you over to the book of Leviticus and sometimes you find a difference in some of the numbering between the Hebrew and English with the verses the same. So let's go over to Leviticus chapter 5 verse 11 in the Torah. Leviticus 511 in Hebrew, but if you cannot afford two turtledoves or two young doves. They shall bring us a sacrifice for 71 10th of an a for fine flour for sin offering, he shall not put oil over there, shall be placed frankincense upon it for this a sin offering sugar and bring it to the Culhane, the priest, the Culhane shall scoop out a fistful as its reminder and cause it to go up in smoke on the altar upon the fires of the Lord. It is a sin offering was the Culhane shall make atonement for us in the committed in any way these cases, they should be forgiven, it shall belong to the Culhane like the meal offering right so it says specifically in Hebrew that this is part of the Shea Adonai on the fire offerings of the Lord. First, there is never been a doctrine in Judaism that is flower is a substitute for blood that all you need is flower.

The review on the world. If you just offer up some flour to God be atonement. Note it's never been taught obviously the whole point is that you don't have the money to participate in the blood offerings on the altar always worry putting flour on the altar son an animal that you cook your burning way putting flour on the altar putting flour on the altar to participate in the in the atonement powers of the altar Maimonides in the 12th-century call that we spark copper all the altar of atonement, so this was your way of participate you got the sacrifices there. You got blood offerings. There, now you you're too poor you can at least put flour and the flower is now joined in and mingled together with the fire offerings of the Lord. This is not an independent doctrine. There's nowhere ever, were you just brought flour to the altar with the priest did. That is some independent right and burned it on the altar and this was now in place of blood and on the day of atonement. This upbringing of a flower or again Jews around the world will just bring some flour and an offer up to God. No, this was your way of participating in the fire offerings. This was your way of mangling your flour with the blood offerings on the altar and it was only there that there was efficacy at that thing became a sin offering, as is now joined together with the fire often supports this idea that you don't need blood. His company boat is your putting the flower on the very blood offerings okay so that's that's one argument. So let's dismiss that one that goes out the window. Let's go to the second argument back to the article. We also find in the Torah that both incense and monetary donations served to atone for the people's let's click on the link about incense all right and it takes us to numbers chapter 17 verses 11 and 12. Again, you can have a different Tatian in the in the Hebrew and the English so this is in Hebrew by mid bar or English numbers. So there's a plague that's broken out because the grumbling of the people and and there failure to reference God and accept the leadership that he's put in place with Moses. A plague has broken out verse 11 Moses said to Erin, take this sensor and put fire from the altar top into it and put incense and take it quickly to the congregation and atone for them for wrath has gone forth from the Lord and the plague has begun and took it just as Moses said he ran into the midst of the assembly. Behold, the play begun on the people he placed incense on it and atone for the people stood between the dead and the living and the plague ceased okay three or four observations on this text again. Nowhere has Judaism ever taught in general terms that incense atone for sin in the Talmud commenting on this is that it atone for the sin of gossip so something specific with there's no teaching anywhere where we want to have the temple resorts that we can offer up incense for atonement know was ever told to bring incense to make it so this is a specific instance. That's number one number two is is that that the Hebrew thought pair to atone can also mean to turn away wrath, and that's the main thing that is happening at a turning away the wrath of the plague, but even if we just say find translate with atone. What look look once again take this sensor and put fire from the altar top into it that they took the fire from the altar of atonement. They took the fire from the very place where the blood sacrifices were offered the central place of atonement for Israel. Why not just burn incense. Why not just say somebody come here was just like this up. Why go specifically to the tabernacle and to specifically to the altar and get fire from the altar, it's because that's the place of atonement is from there that they take it and take the power that drew incense to to bring atone to take the blood away. There is altar of atonement take the blood away. There's altar of atonement for the flower or for the incense so to look at some more of this article but you see the first two objections raised disappear.

I should say like smoke like incest just disappear because this is the central truth.

This is the central truth, the foundation of the atonement system in ancient Israel was blood atonement.

The foundation was substitutionary atonement, the innocent victim, the guilty party life for life and the life of the flesh being in the blood. So now you offer that life up as a substitute for the life of the guilt and central to the atonement system in Israel's young people today of atonement, and central. On that day were blood sacrifices and then the scapegoat which was which would symbolically carry the sins away. You take away the blood, you have no atonement system. It's like you take away the roots and you take away the trunk, you take away the branches little twigs on the end and I can do it so whatever extension come with flour with incense, that is, all flowing from the foundational system, but atonement is read the Torah go to my will read the Torah noticed Don… Blood blood blood blood. Why life is blood. Blood will be exposed to light a fire with your host Dr. Michael Brown your voice of more cultural and spiritual revolution. Here again is Dr. Michael Brown friends to thoroughly Thursday is airing right now in the midst of Yom Kippur the holiest day of the Jewish calendar Jews around the world, fasting, praying for forgiveness. My prayer is that they receive revelation from God.

The depth of their sin. The depth of all of our sin outside of Messiah's grace's of God's love receive recognition of the depth of their sin in the depth of God's love for them through Messiah Yeshua, that eyes would be opened. There is no atonement outside of his sacrifice on our behalf, so let me get back to this article. Usually the questionable beginning to them soon 866-34-TRUTH 863487884. According to this article on the highly influential COBOL.org website. We also find in the tower that both incense and monetary donations served to atone for the people we've seen. It's completely bogus to say that you can have flower offerings outside the blood, or incense offerings outside the blood that atone, what about this idea of monetary offerings you have it in in Exodus and in numbers. The clearest passage that addresses this is part of a legal regulation is a number so she most in Hebrew. Let's take a look at that it's Exodus chapter 30 verse 15 and it says this that there will be a tax on the people.

All right, the rich shall give no more.

And the poor shall give no less than 1/2 a shekel with which to give the offering to the Lord to atone for your souls shall take the silver of the atonement from the children of Israel and used for the work of the tent of meeting, it shall be a remembrance for the children of Israel before the Lord to atone for your souls right is this saying that money atonement was if you give that that'll atone for sin not, of course, there's something very troubling about that notion that you give money to pay for sin.

But what about the really super poor man has that worker to the rich get more atonement because they can pay more, and obviously no one in Judaism would believe that the traditional rabbi would believe that the same where that thinking could lead nor has there been a movement okay we just need to get ill everywhere. This gives because that's atonement. And we don't need a temple with only sacrifice why pray for the rebuilding of the temple and the offering of the sacrifices again… A recognition that something is missing the risk of onset of the alternate forms were as good then you wouldn't have needed the original white or if you got all these other alternatives. Why pray daily for the rebuilding of the temple why Moran over the destruction of the temple.

It's not that big a deal terms of atonement, which is a central function of the of the temple because the sacrificial offerings. What about this notion about will be read in Exodus 30, while several issues here you'll find the same with the parallel numbers 31, first it's in the context of numbering the people and there was concerned that when you would number the people for certain reasons. It could bring them under judgment and a plague and this was a way to avert the plague that's that's the focus here. If you read the surrounding context. It is averting the plague. That's the first thing the second thing is that the money went to what it it it went towards the work of the tent of meeting, and in one of the one of the possible explanations for this. Given by by Ross you the foremost biblical commentator in Judaism in the 11th century was that the atonement came through support of the work of the priests in the sacrificial service that this is one of the possible meanings of and again nowhere juicing, nowhere do you see in the rest of the Bible. Any reference to offering a flower or incense or money for Thomas. We need to understand these in context. Again, these are these are twigs coming out from the branches with the tips of the branches words the whole substance of the atonement system over and over them just read the biggest one through seven. Start is blood, his blood is blood in Leviticus 1711 explains why because the life of the flesh is in the blood. That's why God gives it for atonement on the altar and and you see here but there are many other forms outside of the question is what are the numbers, volume 2, of answering Jewish objections to Jesus if you don't have it in your interest in the subject, please do get it. I spent a tremendous amount of time working on this entire five volume set to benefit you to help you to dig deeper. If your traditional Jewish person listening after Yom Kippur, I strongly encourage you to get this if I could press a button and download information into everyone's brain I would I would do it in a heartbeat because we go through all the questions were about the role of repentance and and what about verses that seem to sit through good deeds. They can be atonement or what about the exile atonement and concepts like that when Daniel given the axle. All these are dealt with in depth in volume 2 of answering Jewish objections to Jesus of giving you overview simplified answers but that are truthful and accurate answers. So let's let's go back now to to the Kabbalah article and see. See what's written there. We seen the idea the flower in itself, atones for incense himself atones or money in itself, tones or misunderstandings about the Scripture say the article continues to be noted that no in the Taurus and stated that atonement can be family through sacrifice nevermind blood sacrifice except it does explicitly say Leviticus 1711 that it's given on the altar atone for sins and we seen how atonement flows out of the altar. Take away the blood you take away the atonement system temple times important part of atonement was only a sacrifice brought to the temple recently missed today with no temple, no possibility to sacrifice.

Let's look to the Torah. They mean the whole Old Testament for president. The book of Jonah.

The people of Nineveh had synagogues going to punish them when Jonah show them the error of their ways. They fasted and prayed and were forgiven. Same thing happened in the book of Esther actually doesn't say anything and Esther about about praying. Is this anything about atonement of living in Persia between the first and second temples. They faster regret their sins were forgiven again, none of that's mentioned in Esther's historical examples show that when there is no temples in search, she thought. Repentance is all that God demands actually actually in the days of Jonah. There was a temple stand was a temple step in and it was part of Israel's role to make atonement for the nations.

Israel is the priestly nation people of Nineveh call to repent that the people of Israel were called to repent and perform the sacrifices that was their role as a priestly people, and in fact, during the celebration of Sukkoth tabernacles 70 bulls were offered up in this was symbolic of the 70 nations of the world and it was understood that Israel was praying for the atonement of the nations to get a plot happens to Nineveh. The Jewish people in the temple was standing in Jonah's day in Jerusalem that look at this. In fact, they argue, this was always part of the system. King Solomon himself, in his speech dedicating the first holy temple really anticipates the possibility of Israel being denied access to the holy place actually misread if they sin against you. Solomon's prayer is no man who does not sin then you will be angry with them and deliver them to the enemy and their captors will carry them away captive to the land of the enemy for near with the bethink themselves the Lamb of the recovery captive and repent.

Make supplication chewable into their captors saying we have sinned and then perversely we have committed wickedness when they returned you with all their heart, with all your soul and the lender enemies who bid them away captive and pray to tour their land, which gave to their you gave to their fathers to the city you've chosen the house which a bill for name, then you shall hear their prayer the supplication in heaven you're going place and uphold their cause. So in other words, in other words, were exiled don't have access to the templates been destroyed, but we pray towards the temple and you forgive no no no no no, Solomon is not countenancing the destruction of the temple.

He's countenancing a functioning temple will some of the people of Israel in exile had I not looking second Chronicles chapter 7. This immediately follows the personal. Let's take a look. Second Chronicles chapter 7 in this look at what that says defray how your meme in Hebrew second Chronicles 7 God says to Solomon, there the Lord appears to midnight and said I've heard your prayer and I've chosen this place.

The temple for myself for what made Zev off all right house of sacrifice. This is how God describes the temple.

Why because that's the central function of it. The offering up of sacrifices. Goss is a suppression of the heavens would be in the rain.

If I commend Locust about maleficent peasants you know the past. If you repent, you turned to me, then God will have mercy, forgive your sin heal our land right now. So he said okay if you sin I bring judgment in your repent of. Forgive now my eyes will be over my ears attentive to the person's place and I've chosen to consecrate this house that my name be there forever. My eyes and heart will be there all times and then he goes on if if you walk before me as your father David that are blessed if we scroll down we see that is that as it continues its it says this, God says, but if you and the people disobey right look in verse 19. If you revert to forsake my statutes and my commandments which I place before you, and you gonna worship strange gods and prostrate yourselves to them. I shall approve them from my land which I gave them this house which I've consecrated by the Marshall Castro before me, I shall make it a proverb and a byword among all peoples in this house, which was exalted, every passerby will be astounded and José was the Lord done this to this country and the stump okay so what's a text saying the text is saying that if Israel crosses a certain line God will bring judgment excellent and destroy the Temple knows there is no national atonement is risen to judgment is risen to judgment. This whole message an image during the exile. During this time of the temple to Gog is the Revelation to Daniel in exile about the Messiah's atoning work and and it's during this time that that much of the teaching of Isaiah is circulating about the servant of the Lord will die for our sins, got a cell planting the seeds in the heart mind of his people know you don't come up with alternatives when the temple was destroyed.

That means something is fundamentally and terribly wrong debate Zev off the house of sacrifice the place to which God would respond has been destroyed in judgment either. There is no national atonement for his non-at all, or God has ported out to the Messiah.

Thank God he has long cuts own tightening each the dark opening but deny is viewable at the phone, all of us have gone astray, like sheep. Each one is trying to is only the Lord of laid upon him chicane or Messiah iniquity of all, thank God. God will ever live in.

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Here again is Dr. Michael Brown friends on Thursday. Jewish Thursday Is to be right now in the midst of Yom Kippur the holiest day of the Jewish calendar drumming.

Pray for God's mercy, to be poured out on Jewish people worldwide have a revelation of their need for God's mercy beyond the person confessions of Yom Kippur Dave atonement recognize there is no atonement without the blood they would recognize that God set them aside to die for our sins and rise from the dead to assure us forgiveness of sins once and for all 866-34-TRUTH.

Usually the questions I'm going to the phones momentarily just want to draw your attention to Hosea 14 three will find a verse difference between the Hebrew in the English. This is often cited by traditional Jews to say look when you don't have the temple you just you bring your prayers and the prayers substitute for for the blood sacrifices so one traditional translation reads take words with yourselves and returned to the Lord. Say you shall forgive all iniquity, and teach us a goodly notice the words the and the way are in brackets. Why is not there in the Hebrew and let us render for bowls the offering of our lips. So for as in brackets and the offering of his in brackets, meaning that you've got a really read something into the Hebrew to come away with this. Otherwise you say let us render bowls, our lips wasn't mean, many scholars argue that the right reading here confirmed by the Septuagint, the Jewish translation into Greek.

A couple hundred years before the time of Jesus that it should it should read. Instead, the fruit of our lips.

Let us pay the fruit of our lips and others.

We will keep our vows to you oh God and the whole argument that one is no temple. This is what's prayed while this was written in the days of Hosea. Yes, she's in the north by the Israelites from the north could come to the temple. There were not forbidden from coming to the temple, or even migrating south so that that argument doesn't doesn't work. One traditional translation says we will substitute you have the words of our lips for bowls but the Hebrew list for lamb does not mean to substitute its is to repay or to pay a vow so this verse is one of the weakest. They could be used really and in the Hebrew does not say what others have made it to say, hence the brackets are even a new JPS translation, which means in this direction.

It still says the Hebrew is uncertain. Again I get into it in depth.

Volume 2 of answering Jewish objections to Jesus with that that's going to phones will start with Todd in southern Mississippi.

Welcome to the line of fire burning dark brown goblet during thank you so much for your great teaching were so grateful for you answering the spirit call my question has to do with the children of God, especially as we look into eternity. And we know that there's a church, Israel and the bride of Christ expresses me look into eternity are those three entities.

The same thing or are they different, and if they are different, where to someone like you fit into it as a Christian you yes so there's a difference between Israel and the church and that the church, the accuracy of the messianic community consists of believing Jews and believing Gentiles.

So from from Abraham to Moses to call to me that we be part of the Eckley Sierra as well as part of Israel and then all of the Gentile believers from from Ruth to Billy Graham to you would be part of the Eckley CSO you have Israel and the nations and out of Israel and the nations.

All believers through history from Israel nations are part of God's messianic community. Part of his Eckley Sierra.

The church and that community is the bride of Messiah. So I would say that the church Eckley Sierra and the bride of Messiah or one in the same that Israel represents a national entity not all who lived in Israel through history or who were part of the, the people of Israel are believers so just like you have some Americans are saved and some are not. Some Jews were saved and some are not so eternally were one family eternally were one people that God has for himself believing Jews believing Gentiles from around the world make up the Eckley Sierra Messiah's body, also called the bride of Christ. Are you sure what they're there is another question. It kinda lead in the garden, the more clarity at never really looked at her like a newsletter target measurement for so long, but also in Jeremiah 33 it talks about the prophet talks about Levi who will always be in the presence of the Lord, offering sacrifices and serving the Lord but did not Lord Christ come to be the that the chief priest and arcane. Yes, so it's a fascinating is a fascinating passage there in Jeremiah 33 because it speaks of the continuity of the line of David and the continuity of the line of Levi to that, I would say a couple things taught first is that there are there are through history, Levites, who have worshiped God, and who continue to worship God now through the Messiah in the woods that is ever stop the book of acts, recruit records and are a large number of priests and Levites coming to faith in Yeshua. So I believe God is kept that promise through the ages of first as long as the temples were standing out to have Levitical priests offering of sacrifices and offerings and now through this age on the spiritual level to be offering up spiritual sacrifices and offerings as both Levites and followers of Yeshua, so that so you have that continuity. All this time. That's one thing. The second thing is that we all partake. Now, spiritually, doesn't displace the physical.

So this is in addition to the physical every believer in Jesus becomes a priest and and and therefore of the larger tribe of Levi, spiritually speaking, not saying in a lineal way and an ethnically Nono. Absolutely not rinsing spiritually all take on that that priestly role through the Messiah to offer praise and worship and adoration to me. Thank you.

Bruce 1315 quotes from Hosea 14 the verse that we just looked at about offering up the fruit of our lips as praise to God. So this is our spiritual ministry. There are those physically from the line of Levi to this very day who have continued as follows of Messiah offering a praise to God, Goddess has preserved the people and among them, a remnant that believe in Jesus you hey Todd, thanks for the kind words and the questions much appreciated. 866-34-TRUTH let's go to Orlando in Greensboro, North Carolina, will come to light a fire area. Bill McBroom very well, thank you think all of my question deals with an about the feet of the Lord Jesus died in battle virginal berry and all of them break resurrected on firstfruits came. Bola now that being to date. People were and and they have their trumpet right before their trumpet in the Bible like unknown Catalonian level I could talk about the last trumpet is that the last trumpet debate on the date that that they blow right before your people are like yesterday right before you die at the Dick Jacobo that the last it appears on the Bible would or might going the wrong way, you're certainly going in the right direction in terms of the solicitor with the symbolism that we know chronologically Jesus actually dies rises since the spirit in exact conjunction with Passover firstfruits and shovel at Pentecost. We know at least spiritually that his second coming will line up with first trumpets, which is is is the first day of the seventh month that the testator with with Yom Kippur, but that is known Israel to others the day of the sounding of the trumpet of the shofar blasts and you mentioned some of the passages but Matthew 24 the Messiah comes with the blast of the trumpet and first Corinthians 15 it's the last trumpet versus first Thessalonians 4 becomes with the sound of the trumpet, and Revelation 11 is the seventh of seven trumpets with the kingdoms of this will become the kingdom of our God and then that follows with atonement for Israel and then blessing for the nation, so hence Yom Kippur's Toma for Israel and then finally the feast of Tabernacles which is the nations coming to worship God in Jerusalem so symbolically for sure, the Lord's return is in conjunction with these things.

I would just associate the trumpet blast with the first day of the seventh month not immediately before Yom Kippur, but rather the sounding of the trumpet on young true, does that mean that he will come specifically on that day.

What makes it unlikely, as they did that no one knows the day or the hour. Right in, and therefore we could just say okay it's really really close.

It's got to be on this day, but at the very least symbolically and absolutely is pointing to that and and you know Paul uses language ugly like that in Jesus this quite intentionally to tie us back in to the biblical calendar so you're deftly on the right track with your thinking.

Thank you very much. You are very welcome 866342. By the way, by the way compactor calls momentarily.

There is this idea that Russia shall not, becomes that the traditional new year young true on the Bible first and seventh month was known as the holiday were no one knows the day or the hour because it's the only holy day on the calendar so the first day of the month and you need a confirmation with the moving snow knew the day of the hour. That's what Jesus is referring to in Sedona's video is bogus. This bogus, I have checked every Jewish source I could find rabbinic sources. Those talk about the festivals, the customs, I have asked the most learned rabbis I know would certainly know if he existed no where have we found such a reference that that young true all related Rocephin was known as the the day when Noah knew that the day of the hour bogus.

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This is Michael Brown looking to early through Thursday in the midst of Yom Kippur the holiest day of the Jewish calendar this for me is a way of doing priestly ministry, a way of calling for prayer, a way of opening up the Scriptures so his Jewish listeners and viewers either today or in days ahead. There fasting, praying today and staying off social media be able to look at this teaching and see what the Bible really says about atonement without blood all right with further do we go back to the phone.

Starting with Arthur in Des Moines, Iowa.

Welcome to the line of fire. Bigger take my car for your ministry. Thanks. I have a question I've had for long time about Daniel nine people aware that the Messiah will be cut off or Jerusalem falls which of the 88 after they get around that you address it to them yet.

So the first thing is they would sit is the reference to the Messiah in the text and all just references machine off doesn't say, she us that the Messiah, but rather just references. She often anointed one. In fact, they would point out the talks about two separate anointed ones, separated by a period of centuries, neither of which is the Messiah and that is just giving us chronologically about someone will die earlier time in the rebuilding of the temple, etc. and someone will die later before the second Temple was destroyed and there is no big deal and made silly Christian translation say the Messiah there being dishonest because the readers and add the word. The so that's how they would get around it and they would say that Michiana in the Old Testament in the Hebrew Bible as is almost never used or they would someone says never used specifically for the Messiah, they can become an earthly king can be.

Talk about a pagan king like Cyrus, etc. and that would be the argument might my counterargument is number one. Look at the momentous things that must take place before the second Temple was destroyed based on Daniel 924, which include bringing in atonement for sin in everlasting righteousness is something of momentous historic report importance must take place. I have no problem saying that the text speaks of two different anointed ones that could be the case and how you divide the Hebrew, but it does specifically say that that anointed one will be cut off the and low in either not for himself or have nothing and and this is part of the significance of the questions will who is that one and why is his death mentioned was the importance of it and had us a tie-in with the rest of the passage. So that's how I would push back, but I would argue the messianic interpretation of it based on the largeness of what's promised in Daniel 924.

As to the Jewish argument that it doesn't say the Messiah. It is true, it doesn't say the Messiah speaks of a Michiana and it's up to us to make an argument that that Michiana is Jesus start all right. Thank you for your question certain you you got it 866-34-TRUTH, let's go to Samuel in the Bronx, New York. Welcome to light a fire alive… About chemical welcome, about all of mission fellow member of the coin operated goat" so make factor five protocol for an hour for body throughout on your keyboard been affected by all of the mandate. If any birth of the Melchert command will call Ricardo think of a group of people telling me that Johnny Tony for outpatient. It took me to come back story on Jonah oriented to… So that can own in the name of people to get them back that bit of factor five.

Toward that right up my question yes so early and so I dealt with the issue. Jonah simply because this is not Israel. Israel was the one with the temple. Israel's moment the sacrifices Israel was the priestly nation so there was not the requirement for the foreign nations to offer sacrifices. Their requirement was to repent and the.

The sacrifices were made at the temple in Jerusalem by the by the Israelite priests in accordance with the law. Some of this was for the nations as well so that the Jonah example doesn't doesn't fit at all, but in point of fact, yes, it is quite explicit in Leviticus chapter 16 so this is the passage you want to go to Leviticus chapter 16 which is on this very day. The day of atonement, and it specifically says that that the high priest is to confess the sins of the nation, including all of their rebellion. All of the civil rebellion speaks of willful sin and and that is that is to be done on this day in the region scrolled out in the specifically Aron in the offerings that he offers up in in the in the temple with the first goat. This is part of it within specifically with the second goat of the goat that is sent off into the into the wilderness. It says this, Leviticus chapter 16 verse 21. Aron is to lay his two hands on the head of the live goat and confess over it all the iniquities of the Israelites and all their transgressions those rebellions in regard to all their sins.

And this is to put them on the head of the goat and send it away into the wilderness by the hand of the man standing ready so you have the blood sacrifices being offered a which include a set offerings and guilt offerings all kinds of offerings for all kinds of sins, and then explicit confession over the transgressions of the nation over the head of this article that sent away which then carries the sins away. So absolutely, and then also the end of Leviticus the sixth chapter. It talks about if if you defraud your neighbor, do certain things. There is a sacrifice, the Schaum the guilt offering to offer so folks are misinformed when they claim that there was no sacrifice for intentional sins is clearly there, especially on the day of atonement. So thank you for your questions or that are unique to you to all right. Let's go over to Accord Elaine Idaho. Welcome to the line of fire. Thank you Dr. Brown protect Michael, can you hear me okay yes I can.

You know I Carl, I was so concentrating on trying to get the name of your condition right. I didn't introduce you by name, I apologize, but Carl thank you people people stumble on quarterly anyway.

Blessings on Yom Kippur to your I have a question that I tried to get in a couple weeks ago but but there's a brother Jewish brother who lives in Israel, yes or yes or falling over here in the states. He does conferences and visits churches any pretrip guy. Okay, and pretrip rapture guy and he was talking about the Ezekiel war chapter 38 and 39 and you know talking to people and saying that it is imminent because she believes it comes before the pretrip rapture. So I always was troubled by the by the first and I don't know exactly which verse production 38 I believe. Where it says that Israel would be dwelling in peace in the land without Walsh yelled bar no gauge.

So how do you now do you you know square that circle you know the essence of first-person Carl as you know I'm I'm not pretrip myself but either way you? Write your question remains. Let's just say that this is something that could soon be on the horizon and would be part of the final events of of the agent and part of the tribulation. So it it reminds me of first Thessalonians 5 when they resent everyone saying peace and safety, then sudden destruction comes. So it would appear Carl if this text is is giving us literal information was follows on the dry bones vision, but it seems to now be given his history in advance. You know it's it's telling this little story in advance. My understanding is that things will shift significantly enough in the Middle East that the that the the fence/wall that divides Israel right now from from from some of the so-called occupied territories that that will that will come down, that there will be peace accords with other nations and that it will seem like everything is okay and then sudden destruction comes in sudden battle and of course God delivers his people from it. That's what I would personally expect based on that maker, and are on something the came up to me the yellow had yet opened the think about you so another Jewish brother. I just heard this in passing a year or two ago.

He said that that Scripture pertaining to peace or know Bart's vocational loss. He said he didn't think that that could be fulfilled until the millennium, and and at the end of the millennium.

I just read this today. In fact, in my Bible reading.

It talks about Satan coming and gathering from the nations Gog and Magog is that God gives us a table to just jump in only his rather time. That's a possible reading of this that this is at the end of the millennial. There is peace and so on.

And now this is part of Satan's hordes and rebellion that now come Satan is released from from captivity, and these nations and rebellions against God, where they come to attack office in Jerusalem and the Jewish people and that's what Revelation mentions go the Muggle could be. It is possible. It's also possible Revelation is the strong on the imagery without the chronology, which it frequently does, but definitely something wrong with the blessing of the Lord be yours if you don't know that your sins are forgiven go to God, earnestly find out what the Messiah has done fine piece of God