A Wake-Up Call from the Persecuted Church

The following program is recorded content created by the Truth Network friends you know what's happening to her brothers and sisters in different parts of the world this very day stock for the line of fire with your host activist, author, international speaker and theologian Dr. Michael Brown your voice of moral cultural and spiritual revolution Michael Brown is the director of the coalition of conscience and president of fire school of ministry get into the line of fire valves like always 866-34-TRUTH that's 866-34-TRUTH. Your job is Dr. Michael Brown, I received a very disturbing email from a pastor in Pakistan couple days ago. It's got me thinking a lot about the state of the church around the world about persecution of believers. We talked about this many times, but it's important we talk about it again today to stir us to awaken us to help us to realize the situations we have the freedoms that we do have in America and how we respond to opposition Michael Brown here. Welcome to the line of fire breakthrough with you as usual to do I'm gonna share my heart. Sure, some Scripture with you share some things happening in different parts of the world of gonna take some minutes to do that and then fall wants you to be open with you on Friday. Anything you want talk about any question you have any subject of any kind, 866-34-TRUTH 866-34-TRUTH 7884 if you listen to a past broadcast and want to take issue with me on something he read one of my articles and have a question or differ by all means all subjects, all calls welcome today, 866-348-7884 we have one of our fire missionaries working sacrificially in Nigeria. Single woman she's been there for years working with the poorest of the poor helping provide better education for the children. That's what she does.

She's an educator. She works with local teachers, schools and timeout were kids are sitting on the floor where you don't even have a chalkboard where you really have a textbook and just bettering their lives improve the education and she's outwardly overtly unashamedly Christian and working in Muslim villages and others and saying hey you know the best education is in our school.

So if your kid comes it's a Christian school, but they're sending their kids because of the better education. She's on the edge of danger many times and… Take a look at this headline that she sent me from Nigeria of let's get this up on the screen here updated eight killed as bandits attacked church kidnap others in Kaduna so that was that was from earlier this month. Just a few days ago.

She told me that in her and her other reports that she had seen there were 200 people killed is murder: menus and Christians. This is going on on a regular basis.

We we got an urgent email from her.

Please pray pastor friend of theirs was kidnapped for ransom by by Islamic terrorists. Poke around terrorists ever. They were exactly and to pray for his safe return and try to work out the details to get them back and then she emails a few days later.

Thank God he's back is got a gash in his head is missing a few fingers but he's good. It's like that's that's good, that's yes the dead was killed just gash in his head, missing a few fingers and that was a great victory in there going on. Holding onto their faith. So I I get this email from pastor in Pakistan and I met this brother when he was in the states. A few years ago. He's got a thriving church there. He'd written a book about some of the blasphemy laws and how they are used against Christians. Basically you just make an accusation that a Christian blaspheme Mohammed that they spoke against the Quran gets a mouse to corroborate that and the Christians have very few rights, especially in more rural areas in certain parts of the country and that's it. You're gone dear usually set and she will be found guilty can be thrown in prison you might be killed. It's it's just a very difficult situation. So on the one hand, they have certain liberties on the other hand is constant persecution that the deal with. He wrote a book about it that I endorsed so he emails me the other day. I'm a tell you where he is in Pakistan for obvious reasons, and he said please pray please pray he said a young lady in our church just 16 years old.

She was is kidnapped by Muslims for conversion six was that mean they will kidnapped. He said it's 25 to 30 girls a month in the country getting kidnapped so based on a daily basis. Christian girls some Muslim guy wants to marry them for whatever reason they they want them, kidnap them and then either threaten to harm their family or them and force them to convert, and then they appear before the court said, I'm now a Muslim, and so now you want kidnapped and all that goes away so he said this is a girl from a church he sends me a picture of her.

He said she was a member of our choir. She was at our 5:30 AM service this morning and and she was just kidnapped and put out a protocol on Facebook with thousands of people responding were praying were praying. It got a tremendous response and I heard nothing from him for two days so I reached out to him again today said brother it's a piece of my heart is broken. He said she appeared before the court. She was trembling and she said she's now Muslim's on the what they did to her or how they threatened her family and she was obviously under under pressure. Even in that moment, Eddie said it's happening regular. I don't think he meant in his district at the commit in the country that is happening pretty much on a daily basis, but this France. This is reality picture that your daughter etc. sister that this is reality. This is what people are facing around the world and in many of these countries were the persecutions most intense the church is growing here. Let the missionaries of that Richard Warren Braun said Richard Ron Ron who was tortured for his faith tortured for Christ not only an internationally best-selling book translated into dozens and dozens language length is read that was passed woman some years ago a citizen truth that your book is the most translated book written in the 20th century and especially the snow.

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He said this persecution has always produced a better Christian witness and Christian a soul winning Christian communist persecution has backfired and produced serious, dedicated Christians, such as are rarely seen in freelance is people cannot understand how anyone could be a Christian and not want to win every soul. They meet all when you are in a situation of real opposition when it's costly to follow Jesus when there's a price to be paid for being a disciple, you get a different quality person what what is the commitment level of someone who becomes a Navy seal versus the commitment level of some of those into the military because the get their education paid for when they get out.

Obviously, night and day was the commitment level of someone who may lose everything they lose their job may lose their fellow may lose their life coming to faith versus someone who enjoys services of the church and pastors really good and funny and easy to listen to good parking you get in and out within an hour and 1/4 and the gray children from what's what's in the different level of commitment involved.I think you get my point. Then our American gospel were it's pretty much the greatest goal God's greatest goals that I'm happy and anything that does not contribute to my happiness is therefore not from God was the biblical messages that God's will is our holiness which is not contribute our holiness is not from God and Odyssey. True holiness will produce true and lasting happiness, but our what's in it for me gospel bypass the cross gospel produces shall believers decades ago. I said, many of us are so fat can get out the church door, spiritually speaking would just gorge ourselves love this great teaching. This is cool. The latest best this that where patents spiritual shape at all what would happen if there is a real cost attached to following Jesus in America. How many would fall away and how many would prove to be false converts many parts the world that I have to ask that question because there is a cost associated and you don't get in and Lester serious you to make that commitment, unless you're serious because it's too costly. Many Americans will sit with them how to follow Jesus is. Is there follow him because he prospers them in this good for them and promotes them and makes them famous and satisfies their desires and if the cost of all take up the cross, follow me, will why would I want to follow that. That's how far straight much of our American gospel message has gone uplifted look at this quote from like like 10 theists he is or probably mispronounce it attaches with the third century apologist really defender the faith. He said there is another cause why God permits persecutions to be carried out against us that the people of God may be increased so the more that there is persecution. The more it produces believers wakes up the church. Look, I wrote an article early December but I didn't release it until January. Why Biden presidency could be good for the church of America. I wholeheartedly oppose so much of the direction of the by the administration. I believe that there are real assaults to our liberties and things that could be very negative and dangerous for America under the by the administration.

Also, believe it could help wake up the church service. Look into the White House.

We have to look to God and there's more of a cost associated with following Jesus, look what Paul wrote in Romans eight Romans chapter 8 famous passage of Scripture, and one that we are often comforted by the Spirit himself bears witness with our spirit that we are children of God we love that about the next person of children also airs heirs of God and joint heirs with Messiah in indeed we suffer with him so that we may also be glorified with him. For I consider the sufferings of this present time, not worthy to be compared with the coming glory to be revealed to us who if we suffer with him will be glorified with look at the words of Jesus Matthew chapter 10 Matthew the 10th chapter Jesus sending out his disciples to preach in verse 21 brother will betray brother to death in her father's child and children will rise up against their parents and have them put to death and you will be hated by all because of my name with one endures to the end will be saved whenever they persecute you in one city fleet to the next man I tell you, you will never finish going through the cities of Israel before the Son of Man comes. A disciple is not above his teacher, or slave above his master. It is enough for the disciple to become like his teacher, the slave, like his master.

If they call the head of the house be eligible much more the members of his household frenzies. Sobering words. This is Jesus telling us the world hated him will persecuted him will killed him will defamed him. The world slandered him. We can expect the same treatment from a hostile world. It should not surprise us in the least friends. I'm not looking for persecution on the trying to stir up persecution. I appreciate the liberties we have here in America but France. We better use them. We better get back to biblical gospel, otherwise they could be real real trouble ahead write you more Scriptures and give you call so anything you want to ask me talk to me about phone lines are open 866 before Chris. The line of fire with your host Dr. Michael Brown voice of moral cultural and spiritual revolution. Here again is Dr. Michael Brown, their friends have had the privilege of working with church Roman world than every country with many countries very closely. In some countries with a lot of persecution where there is danger what we can even go and preach in certain areas because of potential danger of had threats against me and other countries. One country is going to speak at an and we were told that there was chatter and that the security folks necessarily picked up and and told us national pastor who I was speaking in another country that that there were potential threats that really come against me from Islamic terrorists, but on some of people on the ground. I'm on man and I'm out right, people live in these countries. In the end, friends who lost their lives were been imprisoned on phone grads.

We can still to this day even though it's what almost 7 years.

We can't give the details of this is within danger. Other workers but one phone grads with was more than overseas bus on Terrace years ago because the fruitfulness of the ministry that that they were doing. Francis is reality. This is reality situation in China is getting very very bleak.

Very, very difficult. There real heavy government crackdowns. The church continues to grow real challenges in countries like North Korea for years that's been the worst rated country in the world. The most dangerous country for Christian to live and in the in human treatment of Christians. There is beyond imagination. And yet people still follow Jesus and and it reveals the ugliness.

It reveals the demonic nature of the opposition.

The darkness of the opposition and and Jesus shines all the more in the midst of this, 866-348-7884 before I go to the phones just a couple more verses what Jesus says in John chapter 15 is been talking to his disciples. He's told them that he has chosen them here to be apostles John chapter 15 beginning in verse 18 Jesus is this, if that's Matthew does there we go. If the world hates you, know that it is hated me before you saw Jesus speaking to us telling us this if you were of the world, the world would love you as its own, which were not of the world since I've chosen you out of the world, therefore the world hates you. The word I spoke to a service not greater than his master.

If they persecuted me, they will persecute you also. If they kept my word, they will keep yours also. In the moment passage second Timothy chapter 3, second Timothy chapter 3 and Paul is discussing his own life was 10 when the Timothy you, however, closely followed by teaching mentor five purpose, faithfulness, patience, love, perseverance, as well as persecutions and sufferings that happened to me at Antioch icon William Lister what persecutions I endured in the Lord rescued me from them all, indeed all who desire to live a godly life in the side issue Messiah Jesus will be persecuted but evil men and impostors will go from bad to worse, deceiving and being deceived. There is all who desire to live a godly life in Christ Jesus will be persecuted. We don't look for. We don't try to provoke it. We seek to be peacemakers rather than troublemakers. But if we really walk with Jesus. The world will oppose us will always be the case so will receive favor will the people who are enemies to become our friends at certain times the government will honor and respect what we do. Depending on how God-fearing the government is but the spirit of the world, the spirit of the age will oppose us. Face it accepted. Don't try to make your views palatable to to a hostile world. So as you is so was to avoid the persecution of the cross that would sometimes represent things in such a way that were done though, and even those will set of Watson Christian leaders on TV sometimes ask you point-blank question when they're done with your ex have no idea what they believe or where the Stanczyk while yet you want to avoid controversy, but you didn't make a statement Paul says if the trumpet sounds uncertain.

Note: you know who's in respond without a warning letter telling us is danger coming or everything safe for that.

The sum of playing the trumpet. Note that this daily clarity in a message we's wisdom and grace but the clarity and we will be hated for accepted. I want to behave because of obnoxious.

I will be hated because of foolish. I will be hated because some hypocrite. I will be hated deep because of insensitive, but from hated for Jesus and that's an honor, because the world is treating me the way he treated him I was going to phones 866-34-TRUTH let's go to hell and no not going to hell in and start there, but not quite what does the word or two and then we will go over to the phones of totally completely changing subjects for moment 100% shift okay to return the persecution talk. You must in the American church, thwarted in American Gospel read my books how saved are we among others that address all this is going all the back to 1990 okay. Totally changing subjects on Thursday of this week we are releasing a major statement. It is a prophetic standards statement of this has not been done on this level before. There are plenty of other ministries, organizations, those involved in prophetic ministry who have the standards and guidelines and things like that. This is different. This is different. This is going to represent wide parts of the charismatic Pentecostal church in America and in other nations. It is not just prophetic people signing it, but people in all different aspects of what we would call quote fivefold ministry all right and all is it's can be released Thursday will give the website on Thursday as well. We've got all summer. In the mid 80s in terms of people signing on from denominational heads to people recognizes prophetic leaders to pastors to evangelist different ones and it is in response to the debacle of the failed trump prophecies in the failed covert prophecies and many charismatic leader saying we need to have accountability and things like that so that's that's what's gonna be happening on Thursday and of okay what so so what will share more about that will give you the website. If your pastor, leader, ministry leader and you want to sign on after us will have our initial signers present. If you want to sign on afterwords. Then I'll by all means you'll be able to do that and add your name so we could have hundreds or thousands of signs of a period of time but we felt several of us worked on this then then got input from other leading soil. It is an anonymous statement was that my statement recalling statement. This is the work of a number of leaders together being put out saying the need to be standards and needs to be accountability. What have freedom in the spirit we want to cultivate a life in the spirit we want to to have an atmosphere, there can be spontaneous ministry in the prophetic gifts or recognized ministry.

The prophet is recognized, while at the same time calling for accountability: forgot the standards calling for ways for any believer to evaluate things calling for how we address the Internet phenomenon when I can use a hammer prophet I got this word just put it out and it's unfiltered, it's untested and and you don't know who I am and just had to deal with these kinds of things so that there can be more righteousness and and less reproach because look, here's the deal to all my non-charismatic friends to all of you who don't believe that prophecy or tongues are for today but but were together on other issues and and you listen in and work in this together in the Lord. I feel bad that you get hurt because of the heirs of some prominent charismatics because a lot of people to see that out there and they think the church are Christians or evangelicals were these believers, whatever it is makes everybody look that now, of course, the sword cuts both ways.

They can be a scandal among Baptists within charismatics get blamed but right now I'm saying that it we are as charismatic leaders grieved over these things. Many of us for years have of work for standards of accountability and and and and many others have have modeled those within their own ministries and organizations.

You just need a few rogue voices with enough prominence and and some that are just way out some that are completely false prophets there just deceivers and others are just deeply deceive themselves, but that they make everything look bad so we say this is not who we are. This is these and other standards. This is not how we operate. I'm also going to be putting on statement. This is gonna be me personally but I may do in conjunction with other ministry leaders and I'll probably say most of this for Thursday but there are reports now that are just getting out there widely in the media not not just in the Jewish world, but I seen your post reporting this in and others that there was allegedly a Gentile Christian with his wife working and ultra-Orthodox parts of Jerusalem with allegedly forged documents claiming that they were actually Jewish so they were secret believers who went into mission eyes claiming falsely be Jewish when the wife died of cancer, the community of ultra-Orthodox dues help raise tens of thousands of dollars for the family only to find out that there allegedly there with forged documents claiming to be Jews and are not this very grievous this very grievous and I want to say as an international leader in Jewish apologetics and reaching out to our Jewish people for salvation unashamedly. This is how we do it is not who we are. Maybe one thing if someone is a secret believer that they come to faith that was there in that ultra-Orthodox community or or go out through the Islamic community center and they come to faith and they are just keeping their faith to themselves secretly for time until they're ready to come out okay that's want to understand that you know it's very difficult and that there weighing losing everything, etc. so thing to go and claiming to be something you're not totally false way forged documents I grievous friends one for the statement of the sudden your all right will be right back over and it's the light a fire with your host Dr. Michael Brown get into the line of fire now by calling 866-34-TRUTH here again is Dr. Michael Brown thanks friends for joining us on the line of fire six. The four truths we build up the phone lines for any subject of any kind yesterday and take a single call. We just focused on some intense issues in the society around us. Talk about persecution and the challenges faced by believers around the world and now ready to take some call so let's go over to Seth in the Illini are North Carolina welcome to gonna fire.

Thanks for calling Dr. Brown Haydon. Thank you. Once I am a pastor in North Carolina and I appreciate the work you're doing for the body of crap all over the world and I guess you got hit on the subject touch my heart go about persecution of the church all over the world of done oversleep mission work for years now. I get messages from different classes about things they go through every day but I want to have to you have any idea how we could wake up the American church that I really get them Doug and arrived what's going on around the eye.

So let's let's just talk about this in a very practical level, your past yourself right if there okay so how do you balance in your own congregation trying to wake up. Stir challenge get people aware of what's happening without getting where it's like every week is is sound the alarm and and. In other words, this is the everyday life ministry people going through challenging times how you personally balance that is a pastor trying to sound the alarm light a fire with the same time recognizing you got people hurting and trying to do pastoral shepherding ministry heavy work that out. I tried to make it down what's going on around the world world you know beyond America Nevada body crap go quite well beyond America cannot trot out encourage people to really pray that's really been a lot harder lightly.

If the star at a prior violent starter write more cows public prayers in the cow, the next great awakening for America, been my focus this year is getting back to repentance and faith in God but is just what I another flock of birds went over the church are likely people, not really paying attention to some things going on. I was gonna want to get your input on the half made man I could absolutely and I appreciate what you doing prayers. Obviously, at the heart and soul of all of it so that's the first thing that we have to give ourselves more secret prayer. You will ask the six chapter the apostles raised up the the ones to wait on the tables so they can give themselves to the ministry of prayer and the word so a lot of us are so busy in our own lives.

My my weaknesses is over committing and overworking and and I have to make sure that I pull back to be with the Lord and to seek him first and foremost for greater fire, passion, presence of God in my own life.

Hearing his voice more clearly, and then praying for others so we start there. You know that all prayer of Gypsy Smith when he was asked about how to pray for revival, which is a draw a circle on the ground. I stand inside the circle and then I ask God to revive everything in the circle so we start there key leaders that that I work with, you know, I would.

I would get them praying with you and your leadership team or others that are the really key and then read stuff on revival of watch stuff on revival, you can just get online and look for lectures by J.

Edwin or or or or in a great revival historian of last generation is just very matter-of-fact just go through things. Yes, that's was supposed to happen so thing book sinister your heart on revival, videos, lectures, videos of act of God moving, so it's not just sounding the alarm about how crazy this world is around us and how messed up things are that you have to do periodically because they look hate to do up and let's talk about separately. Our school system zero study what was happening.

They list it outside a political thing. It's a spiritual thing.

She wake people up and then give a vision of revival of a vision of what God can do and get people hungry get people hungering and thirsting for more and then doing what you're doing is super important time at the church in other parts of the world because again, when you travel overseas as I have, you know this.

It it does some the you you you see a reality like stuff. I always believed it was things that when I read about persecuted church in decades past.

When I read the Bible itself. It's like yeah this is normal.

This is sacrifice in opposition take up your cross that's that's normal. And then when I would go overseas and work with missionaries who were risking their lives for the gospel and work with native believers was just a given they might die for following Jesus like yeah I knew it was supposed to be like this.

I knew that was the real deal and then you you you bring back the deeper quality. What we can't do it and I it's only got to be very sensitive to. I have to be as a traveling speaker in there with Rick daily radio news, local pastor, you can't beat people over the head all the time like something is wrong. Something's missing where not doing it.

There are those times when the Holy Spirit comes with an intense repentance calling people on their faces, weeping and repenting, but otherwise, there's the call within the vision is more there's more that God wants to do and that stirs people in a positive way as well. So those are some of the things awakening to what's happening in the world around us of the people feel the urgency of sharing with the world ransoming here in America the crazy situation that were facing in that were in talking about believers in other parts the will to inspire us, not condemn us, creating a deeper hunger for more and then those that are hungry and thirsty he let's go after God's you give the invitation to go deeper you'll condemn those that don't want to, or that on at that place yet, but you keep giving that opportunity hate the scope of the building and pray to be what we have watched you know some some revival messages or some services to know and and can open the buildings want to come great and and then some starts to ignite than you breathe on it. You breathe on it and and of those that those keys to the extent you carry that your own life. It's good to be contagious so get kinds pray with you Seth. I will be in our quest yeah and I hope those I mean, I can tell you anything new, but hopefully just hearing it together helpful Lord I pray for my brother. We pray for him right now for the fire for their passion for the hunger for the thirst for a greater awareness of who you are in a greater desire to know you and experience you and make you known so others can know you and experience meet may he become a flaming fire made spread to others based church become a center of revival and visitation. The hunger rise in his congregation is reaching everyone listening.

That's of like heart may be so father in Jesus name, amen. Bless you, Seth.

Let us know how we can be of help to them in the future appreciate it. 866342 a, let's go to Gloria and San Marcus Texas. Welcome to the line of fire might help it simple three part one found that there law are comfortable that they act more crafty and how their feet failed word our rural youth and of all that that prudent and that if you like all fell at that that the management life and making it will not.

They were not ashamed to tell him that I define what movie shell. Can you give, the more likely without that that Hebrew context of the word act why he felt like making. In another place by the prudent and in another placement File so that there are two different words.

The word for naked is on home and then in the plural form. It would it would change somber meme, but naked is a different word so that's that's totally separate. It's it's followed by telling us that the than Akash was on whom is a play on words there but no, those are those are two separate words and just like in English you have wind and you have wind right there spelled exactly the same, but pronounced differently and you only know which is which by context right. If I cited what what is that pronounced that WI indeed supposed to be windy could be wind, but in context it's it's totally clear of the wind is blowing really hard. You don't see the wind is blowing really hard or there's a real wind in the road here. So in context, even without vowels, you would know what is naked. That's that's clear. On the other word. It it it it is two sides of it. In other words, the same word on whom can be used for crafty can be used for kinda skillful and adept in a negative way or crafty, but the positive side of it having having a certain wisdom or adroit in this, so if if I'm looking say that a lexicon and out. I'll just pull the supper. Second, you'll see that it comes out kind of the same root concept know you have words that can be used for persuade or seduce or deceive and it's the same Hebrew word, and it it's it's all a matter of context. So that's the same thing. It that's the same word and and it could be a you know you're really sharp it can be negative or it could be positive and so if if I look. For example, Genesis 31 and in the serpent there on whom yet cutting or clever those of the two definitions that a dictionary will give a cunning versus clever so two sides of the same coin and and it it's a good word used good contacts in a bad word used in bed context but but even there the service. Very clever right clever, but because this is Satan speaking through the cleverness is used for bad purposes. So, using the cleverness for good purposes or bad purposes that would be the basic question that make sense a lot I want an Orthodox rabbi. I thought about how the Lord our room and framework you to describe Manning is like being naked and he try to put it into a context where he was staying at it you have read the snake was also more naked and all I had the I know where he was going. I don't agree with it because even where he ended up he would've ended up saying something like, okay, you know the machine back at the same as the past that are all yet all that all that is.

Yet she made that may be completely midrash become political and again one is on Rome, which is naked than in plural. The form becomes, on whom he embedded in the singular is our home, so it's on call versus on whom I recently due to two separate roots that they may be written same. Now with the two separate so that was just somebody how politically preaching and trying to make some spiritual application but what without foundation.

You get Christian preachers to do that you get rabbis that do that but it with without that scriptural foundation right. Hey, thank you for the call will be right back with questions.

It's the line of fire with your host activist, author, international speaker and theologian Dr. Michael Brown voice of more cultural and spiritual revolution get into the line of fire now by calling 6643 here again is Dr. Michael Brown as friends for joining us on the line for 8664. Truth is the number call and let's go straight back to the phones. I will start with Michael in Corpus Christi, Texas. Welcome to the line of fire. Okay yeah I can frequently will be the pianist Brody about the Holocaust and I watched two movies are yours several of them and interact… I know I know we lost approximately 6 million Jews, but I thought that the question just how hated where they have all of the fittest in Nazi Germany 90.2 what I was German or it may be when a Jew and I decided to another dude just for the fun of it. What would I be prosecuted, what German police arrest me would not come to my defective aid to the right thing amount of curious to find what it was a regular police Nazi Germany right so it's a question it's not normally asked because because the idea that that the populate the populace as a whole was not his fully where was going on but of course laws were being passive so here's here's the deal. To my knowledge it was not widespread for people to just go out and kill a Jew because they wanted to because the Nazis were still all about law and order right so they were going to do what they were going to do and it you'd still be breaking the law even even if you killed someone that they hated and despised or killed someone on the way to the concentration camp that was your role as their role. So with her lawn order system know that was not happening a lot before or during the Holocaust out. Jews were increasingly demonized and as a result of World War I restrictions were put on Germany that were so unbearable because of Germany being the aggressor in World War I that it almost made 88 a revolt against that inevitable, as their economy was was tanking in an inhibitor was rising, we can blame somebody so the Jews became looked at as the parasites and and were increasingly blamed of and that can be one reason why the populace did not fight back on their behalf.

More but in a big issue was just that the fear tactics of the Nazis that you stand up against them in and in your him to suffer horrific death or your family will or or torture beyond imagination. So don't have no not not to my knowledge, not to my knowledge.

Now, however, a little further post Holocaust like a country like Poland, for example, I know these accounts first hand the minute I met someone that this was his his own situation is he's with the Lord now, but I met him and his and his son is actively in Jewish ministry.

To this day. So this happen in other countries.

I know how much it happened in Germany, but I know what happened in other European countries where after the Holocaust. Jewish survivors went back to the rural villages. In some cases, their homes were still empty your or they were able to stay somewhere. They and and the surrounding people like Catholic neighbors in Poland were so incensed that these Jews had survived that they went out to try to kill him.

So for sure.

You did have that kind of thing going on that the for example in Poland the eyewitnesses with a testified that Satan Easter service that that the priest would so incite the people about what these evil Jews dead and killed Christ that they would then go out and and just in a mob kill Jews. The pogroms in Russia. No, generally speaking, know the programs in Russia at that the turn of the last century would be the same kind of thing that often be provoked by the religious authorities and go out and and wreak havoc in the police would basically look the other way. To the extent happening Germany at night.

From my understanding was less so because of the iron fist of the Nazis, and because of them carrying out their murderous plans, but in other countries, Jews were fair game at different times. Tragically, yeah.

Okay. So Germany was very well they do work, probably arrest, I rocketed my dear, again I don't know. I am, I have not in the Holocaust. It is an adult over the decades, I've not read about that phenomenon a lot.

I have not heard it or seen it. Therefore my right yeah it it deftly assert that my assumption again is that with the Nazis doing the death work and your average German citizen more or less looking the other way what was happening either not known about it or just Tuesday.

I'm looking the other way semi-being complicit that they didn't just go around killing Jews random to my knowledge it was more than SS Nazis carrying out their their murderous acts with the approval of the people or with the silence of the people. Hey, thanks for asking.

Let's see all right I will go to carry North Carolina Greg.

Welcome to the line of fire. Hello Dr. Brown, are you going I'm course in front Bob, yeah, relates to the scroll of the role that this most of them there. Yeah, we worked out represent a young brother mod the Lord without me about it like I really don't know if it was like a dual related to the future growth by current Revelation are to their top of all backgrounds to it.

It's it's I'm sitting here smile when I saw when I saw Zechariah 5 is not yet that it's it's a difficult passage.

It seems to be pointing to a judgment that came in the past this, he looks up he sees a flying scroll.

It is the curse which goes out over the whole land for everyone who stole his fruit is this for bid on one side of the scroll is gone unpunished. Everyone is sworn falsely. This is been on the other side of it is gone unpunished. It it seems to be speaking of a of a judgment that came in the ancient world, the prophecy being what it is, it can often have a dual meaning it can often have a future fulfillment, but it's it it it's not clearly spelled out. It's not one of these things were. It's like I can tell you here's where this happened in history. Here's were the same for Phil.

That is much more nebulous and ambiguous, so again like when you have judgment on ancient Babylon that really happen in the ancient world, but then Revelation hints and points to a future destruction of the future Babylon right so sometimes these passages use okay here's I would've applied Zechariah's day, and we see your future fulfillment, but I see this primarily something that that apply to it to his day or two generations around that time, as opposed to a future prophecy. I know a lot of us will read the Bible were thinking of all I could so it's all for me today but much of it was written to the people back then and then we learn from that. So it applies to us as we learn from it and yeah it's a such as the unbeliever-esque 11 you wondering about will scratch their heads over some of these because there's not more information given to us so we really don't know what the scroll of the role represent no, no, not beyond what that that's a word of judgment. In other words, that he sees here's a judgment from the Lord, going out the prophets Jan that level. For example, you can look in Ezekiel 2 and three. Ezekiel is is given us a scroll by the Lord to eat and he eats it and it's the message of the Lord. Also, sometimes the prophets would receive a message in HC semi-written on a scroll Revelation the 10, the 10th chapter, the same thing with the apostle John that he eats the scroll it, it's again prophecies of doom and judgment about different kingdoms. The same with Ezekiel Jeremiah chapter 1516 he says rewards we found and I did eat them.

So the word the prophetic word gets metaphorically he eats. He takes it in so that's all it is that which is appropriate prophetic revelation to be like.

I hold the billboard in front of you saying the Lord says America must repent, and you see that billboard, and now it just enters into. That's how it is with the schools that I can say about the scroll in terms of how the prophets would receive messages.

This being one of them.

No innovation. But beyond that all that's all that we know of it is was written there was some judgment going forth for sinners at that time. Okay you are you are very welcome 866-34-TRUTH it let me just step back from it say this, I devoted years. Obviously, to learning ancient languages culture background and especially for Old Testament lesson from New Testament but there still only so much that we know it. In other words, there are passages that remain difficult.

There are passages to say we don't know exactly what the Hebrew man tear or the Greek or when not exactly sure of the historical context that that's is not a lot, but it does occur, you know, there's a verse in Ezekiel, but people put the branch to the nose.

There's a lot of speculation as to what that means when suffered by the priest to leap over the threshold.

Think of a good idea what that means but it's there speculation with it there. Things like that that is much as you study background culture, or even the early church in background or or ancient Jewish world for background to the New Testament and my friend Craig Keener is the world's leading expert on backgrounds to the New Testament, things like that is that the leading expert. One of the leading experts and and there's a ton the Glassman questions like, data ton of information yet still there speculation. Not sure about this could be this could be that the key thing is really work for the speak to me, give me insight how I apply this to my life at an end.

For the most part several university are there. The challenges we can. Okay, I can get something here. It is a genealogy or distant detailed description summer, but great buckle reading will be able to prayerfully make application in a lot of trouble. Be back with you tomorrow friends member to visit us at*ground.org escape year-round so if you get my emails not sign up today. You don't know what you miss published another program powered by the Truth Network