We Do Not Wrestle with Flesh and Blood

You better believe it. The spiritual realm is real stuff for the line of fire with your host activist and author, international speaker and theologian Dr. Michael Brown your voice of moral cultural and spiritual revolution Michael Brown is the director of the coalition of conscience and president of fire school of ministry get into the line of fire now by calling 866-34-TRUTH. That's 866-34-TRUTH here again is Dr. Michael Brown was it Monday night late Monday night and the thought hit you. I need to write an article to write an article to do all the time but I need to write an article on her calling to reprioritize the gospel to see. Yes, we stay involved in politics. Yes, we stay involved in the culture wars, but our priorities have shifted in an unhealthy way. We need to get back to the priority of the great commission eroded supposed it yesterday on numerous sites and got some good response to it, but only a fraction of the response I get. If I touched on some hot political issue. And that's just the way it is that often we put the most attention in the wrong place and the least attention in the right place. I want to keep doing my best to help us fix that this is Michael Brown. Thanks for joining us on the line of fire, and full eyes open wide gutter gastronomy at the bottom of the hour Billy Howell to talk about his book, playing with fire Christians and demons. Yeah, we talk about that but full eyes are open wide. If you were trying to get through yesterday expressed an opinion were able to about the elections being stolen or not.

If you set a general question for me. You want to challenge me on any point of view full eyes open wide, 866-348-7884 so interestingly about the same time that I was finishing this article about her calling to reprioritize the gospel and it's it's filled with powerful quotes Christian leaders in the past, challenging us to to go for the lost and go for souls and be great commission followers of Jesus. About that same time those work in that article and an article was released with an interview from a Jewish insider interviewing house wrap Madison call thorn you may have seen pictures of him in a wheelchair.

He is now newly elected to the house and is the youngest house member, and in it you so much sharing his faith in being supposed to do that in service history with rehab and accident lies in a wheelchair and saw an he talked about reading the Gospels written Torah reading the Koran and more recently with the promise to try to understand the most mentality better and if you met a Muslim incidental Muslim but common interest in Christianity. Can we talk that he be able to talk with them and said actually couple times he see Muslims come to Christ. So naturally, is a Jewish publication ready to ask him to ask him. Have you shared your faith with Jews, so the way it's put in the article you last if you start to convert Jews to Christ and any he laughs in his answer decision alive of got some folks to switch from bicultural Jews. But you know the real religious ones is hard for me to know interact or get hearing with them kind of thing is that that's no big deal. Always he is a Christian he shares faith is a follower of Jesus. He shares faith. That's what we are supposed to do it. In fact, when you are born again as an adult or as as a teenager she didn't know the Lord and you have this dramatic born-again experience or may be raised in the faith and truly come to know Jesus in a really useful artillery bodies is natural is it happens all the time.

The only release to tell you need to share your faith anymore. There was something special happens in your life and your close friends of the one to tell them so it's that's what especially the early days. You share your faith left and right. Most of us didn't know almost it was we were contagious to be around because the moment were around some original be talking about Jesus and just really have all the wisdom at that time and you know and maybe didn't even have all the compassion but but we just had a tell every body and and then it remains a mandate, which is why missionaries go all around the world and who do we go to to the ones who don't believe that's why we share our faith with Muslims and with atheists and with Buddhists and with Hindus and with Jews and with others who don't believe what we believe. We if they believe what we believe will will bless them as brothers and sisters in our fellowship but we will go to share the message with them. We do that with those who don't believe. Of course we do.

And here Madison call thorn has enough sense to realize your religious do. It's been it's been hard to interact with them, but he seemed the interview have real respect for the Jewish people as Christian. So some folks found out about this outcry in a daily beast like no no, what what sharing is to try to convert Jews muzzled.

He's an House of Representatives.

What Chris Hayes of MSNBC. This is an overtly anti-Semitic thing to do and calls for the GOP to condemn to condemn Madison call thorn for sharing his faith for doing what Christians do so got my latest article on this and and I went to check on him and sure enough, there he is on Twitter and instead of backing down.

Overly descriptive Street instead of backing down. He's ceasing.

Hey, this is dangerous when when people tell me not to share my faith. He says I'm being attacked because I share my faith with others is the left fully antireligious freedom now this is dangerous for America. So my hope is that Madison call thorn will share his faith all over Congress. My hope is that he'll share with Muslim members who share with Jewish members nominal Christians others.

That is, he develops relationships and gains respect from people and they begin to interact with was appear that he be a good witness. That's what we are called to do is not the great suggestion, but the great commission to go into all the world and make disciples to go and preach the gospel right it to be witnesses to share our faith.

Jesus says to his followers's first apostles, follow me, I'll make you fishers of men as Dawson Trotman, founder of the navigators wrote many years ago we were born to reproduce. We have been born into the kingdom of God to reproduce so go for it Sir with love with wisdom, sensitivity without conversion, as I assume you you do go for it. Share the good news and in the back to us in the larger subject of the show today to limit the spiritual realm. Remember, our battle is ultimately spiritual, political issues do matter.

Culture wars do matter, and if we just abdicate this just think it's so dirty.

It's a mess. It's ugly. No party is perfect of candidates perfect and just money spent gets the tax and just it's a waste of time and energy is just leave that to others leave the culture. Others leave politics to others and multiplied tens of millions of Christians abdicate their responsibility. Our responsibility as believers in the society, then there is no salt there is no light and pretty soon we can practice our faith. That's what happened in a country like America where we make up what 1/3 of the population. Maybe Lisa quarter of the population as 1/3 of the population you take us out here there decent people that don't believe what we believe and their people that want freedom that don't believe what we believe in their their their ethical Jews and Muslims. Those that don't believe what we believe but you take us out in those numbers.

Your time at the end of the ability to practice our faith freely. America the end of our ability to teach our children what we want in our homes and in our schools so we don't abdicate no dropout we play our role but we keep our focus our focus on where it needs to be which is being disciples and making disciples knowing God and making God known that's what we hear first and foremost great commission.

And yes, I'm glad that there's a lot of prayer for the outcome of the elections because like no matter which way this goes.

This can be chaos.

There's going to be potential riots. This can be rejection of the outcome by one side or the other, barring divine grace helping us we need prayer right even if you're utterly convinced comp lost. Of course it's obvious the votes in done well what's going to make the trump supporters believe that blue has been massive fraud and while I'm not worried about them burning down buildings and and and and things are cities. I am concerned that there could be a real rejection of of the current government's authority if if it ends up with Pres. by the genuine concern about that.

On the flipside, let's say there has been massive fraud and illicit election has been stolen. Ultimately, courts recognize this and this is decided, the way the trump incipient present next four years. You think the millions that voted against him or discriminate sit back and see no problem in the radical groups like BLM and NT for those or not I can start since it is on fire. So either way, we need a prayer will occur for the outcome of the election would happen if we if we also have been praying for months and years. With this fervor.

With this passion with this organization by the hundreds of thousands in the millions. If we had been praying for for souls for the for the great commission for harvest for revival in the church, leading to wickedness. I can imagine America look like if we get that same energy attention focused prayer burden to see our neighbor saved unless it were not doing that all but I'm saying our priorities have gotten out of whack here. I'm daily basis on a daily basis whether it's positive or negative. I bet many of us talk about trump more than about Jesus.

Whether it's been positively or negatively. I bet that many of us knew or many of us get more passionate about the name trump either positively or negatively than the name of Jesus, of setting priorities priorities priorities off right foot for all of us is just good to do so searching and hey look if the shoe doesn't fit the word automatically.

Don't don't don't get upset with me because I'm not judging you. I don't know you. I'm speaking in generalities about many of us here, there was a time when if if I hear some nutritionist document unhealthy eating and and the dangers of obesity. Things like that when I was overweight and eating unhealthily odd unlike it bothered me. Now if I hear someone talk about him. Amen. Them good, good. We need to hear this because God's help me transform a lifestyle less 6 1/4 years. So, if what I'm saying to supply you and pray for those to whom it does apply, because it does apply to many.

If you don't believe me just go to one of my social media feeds on twitter or better still, Facebook asked her to run his cage your brain on Facebook and look at some of the dialogue and discussion in the passion and intensity of it which is in a political issue, and then look at the the. The discussion was on a gospel issue minutes a fraction why because it's it's not stirring up the emotions and our passions the same way so priorities priorities with him in the Right Pl. in Madison cloth on and and other truly Christian people in Congress and those that work for and with them being good witnesses with the Lord.

Use your testimony to reach many or 866-348-7884 we come back, remonstrate your calls. Also, did you get my emails all you want to will and formulate his videos, latest articles, key resources, special announcements go to my website. Asked Dr. Brown.org SK DR Brown.org go there center for the emails will also send you a free many e-book seven secrets of the real Messiah but make sure you sign up today you will be disappointed will be right back where we want file. The line of fire with your host Dr. Michael Brown get into the minor fire now by calling 866-34-TRUTH dear again is Dr. Michael Brown is Alan welcome to light a fire very well, thank you got a quick but a lot of prophetic voices that have come out and Bob a lot of where whiteboard left God intervene for our while. What brought that is not going to happen and probably foregoing to be proven falsely and my question is with the national board but built with other people. How are the people going to be adrift yesterday. I plan to address the outcome of this clearly and with whatever relationships I have privately and publicly Christmasy things on the air and in writing, sold, begun helping. I'm not predicting the future, but my nose gobbling in anything we do so no number one when not at the end of the story yet and could be that the fraud is that massive and that many votes switched and so on.

So, so that you know there will be a landslide. But barring that right that the still possible but seems highly, highly unlikely but still possible. The major voices that we heard repeatedly didn't predict a landslide but a victory. So at the very least crumbs reelection. If that does not happen then what what would my course of action be. I'm not the charismatic Pope.

There is no such thing. I'm not the head of the charismatic denomination. There is no one charismatic denomination in many of the largest churches or or independent of denomination. But here's what what I would do any that I know personally I would interact with person fact, I would expect some would come to me to talk about this. That's the first thing I would encourage them not to make excuses not to say we didn't pray hard enough. We didn't believe hard enough know it didn't happen. Well, maybe it will happen for you as well then then you need to say hey were prophesying, in part, we don't know if this is 2020 or 2024 because that's the whole problem that we look at prophecy as news headlines in advance. We can be misled because prophecy is not always that clear so the first thing I would say publicly and privately is make no excuses. Something was wrong. Something was missed. That would be the person you cannot blame it on.

We pray enough. We pray 20 we have enough faith in you know you can use that as a copout.

Any any time any time. Some doesn't come to pass a God did speak it just in believe hard enough you know I'm prophesying that we can go to the cemetery and and 10 people going to get out of the graves of a dozen habits, like, well, God showed me just having a faith that is dangerous copout. So that would be the first thing the second thing would be that I would and I've been thinking about all this ready just in case right that I would talk to some of my other nationally respected leader friends Simpson peers and see if we could gather together all those that we know either face-to-face review zoom. The leading prophetic voices that prophesy falsely if in fact trump is not reelected right and we have to have a major accounting. What happened how that happened. And third, if the prophecies are true and they do come to pass, which I would love to see for two reasons. One, I prefer trump to bind with my various misgivings is still strongly prefer trump to Bodnar trump pens to buy the Harris.

That's one and two. I don't want there to be more reproach on the prophetic and more reproach on the charismatic church and and the fact is not charismatic surrogate blame to Christians who don't believe in prophecy today there is going to blame because Christians in general go to get blamed for crazy prophecy so it can bring reproach for those reasons would like for it to happen, but God and speak to me the way in terms of of what is coming so even if the prophecies prove true, I would be very concerned about the way prophecies come to such prominence that were, led by the prophets that it's just all the prophetic voices out in front instead of the prophets being part of larger leadership structures, teams of other other leaders who are jointly processing things consists of the other day when my pastor friends learned years ago that a prophet may have the revelation but doesn't have the, the interpretation or the application is where the body works together so number one I would speak to people individually about accountability issues. I would say publicly. Don't make any excuses something went wrong. I would then do my best to get a gathering of other key leaders to look at this and to address the abuses the problems and if the words didn't prove true that aside from pushing back at the skeptics who mocked that the whole time, said Beutel.

Be careful. I would still want to have some leadership discussion about how we can get the prophetic in a better place within the body.

So it's a kind of leading the way. So that's my lengthy explanation to an important question is that this it leave you with any questions.

Folder called the not only the current button untrue over going to look by world, but our brand that don't believe in that you don't don't believe the spirit will do we do not like their own, think that run with you and understand alert. Understandably balance until I totally understand that for for my non-charismatic friends of four critics for cessation is for hyper critics just those menus to be charismatic got burnt I 100% understand that this would be massive fuel for their fire to write the whole thing off and the fact that should some prophetic voices in the covert we dissipate in in April and around Passover. That didn't happen. All the others there's egg on different faces. My reason for not rejecting the prophetic is number one Scripture is abundantly clear to me that prophetic ministry continues until Jesus returns. That's one and two of an eyewitness to the reality of it through much of my believing life both receiving and at times used in it and I have many friends with story after story after story that brings glory to God that honors Jesus that grounds people in the word and in an know so I know the reality of this but that's final for the baby out with the bathwater. But Alan, I fully understand.

I could not fault my friends charismatic rejecting friends cessation is friends who just safer tooth this thing so flaky. You guys when you learn when you lie. I understand that I was just okay. Can we just go back to the Bible and see with the black says even if there are abuses, but but look if these words are true, then my question would be why diversity to a person that is national prophetic voices and even some of the countries bring the same message we just don't need information in advance that there is no reason of a spoken different times and will be doing a show next week about this.

We don't just need information in advance. Who's gonna win this is good.

The we live glorified fortunetellers today, so if information is given in advance.

There's got to be a reason for and it would be to hold on to keep praying when everything seems like it won't happen, but in any case, listen, let's all contend for the will of God right a man God bring your will to pass for the nation and the church expose error, fraud, deceit, reverent is the church be in the world been among the Republicans, Democrats voting wherever your will be done, but the light shine, we should all be able to agree on that point.

Thank you for the call and the question and we will carefully revisit these things. When the time is appropriate, let us go over to Henry and Zachary, Louisiana.

Welcome to the line of fire by Dr. Brown thank you so much a question. What about Brent love the and really all to God. Now it and I haven't really dug deep with that yet, but it nature and Christianity compatible, or that even compatible with cryptic naturism.

How would you define that nudism nonsexual nudity like nudist discount stuff yeah okay never friend that loves Jesus that is the naturist nudist and it bent the active Army on okay. Willing to touch, tell you it tell you it your your self or your friends here. Make sure that he gets to listen to this God closed Adam and Eve. Okay God closed them before the fall.

They were naked and they were like little children before eating the tree of knowledge of good and evil. They were like little children so you got a changing table with a naked boy in the changing table with a naked girl in their six months old and there's no clue there's no shame there's nothing because they're completely innocent.

Adam and Eve is mature, brilliant individuals were completely innocent before the date of the tree of knowledge of good and evil. We are no longer innocent. God closed us in the Scriptures often talk about modesty reading told New Testament women where they could be more pressure, how you dress etc. to be to be modest in apparel so absolutely, categorically no God covered Adam and Eve and he wants us to cover our cells and and that's why nakedness is associated with shame. In the Bible.

The shame of your nakedness to be uncovered is a shameful thing so if your friend really loves Jesus as you say Jesus said if you love me, keep my commandments. And the Bible is clear modesty covering ourselves. This is what godly people do, and those that walk around naked set is nothing sexual about it.

Psych is there. So spirituals because they become hardened and incense all right. The line of fire with your host Dr. Michael Brown voice of more cultural and spiritual revolution. Here again is Dr. Michael Brown transferred Uranus by Mike Brown with my guess Billy hello Billy has been involved in journalism and media for the last couple of decades and has a brand-new book actually did an interview for part of the book called playing with fire. A modern investigation into demons exorcism and ghosts delete welcome back to the line of fire, and what the world got you interested in the subject matter may well you know it's so interesting. Over the years working at the blaze and fade wire and other media outlet.

There would be story you routinely of people who had gone through what they believed to be possession and exorcism and deliverance and thought I would encounter these stories and they always stuck with me. I am a lifelong believer in 30 things that obvious that was familiar with Scripture early, but haven't had a lot of get a first-hand experience with until these stories emerge and thought I would cover those stories here there I got a tell you if you asked that to me how you're going to go and write a book about that. I probably would a laugh that you, but it was just that amazing sort of plot that of prayer in the project, dropped right in my lap and I prayed over for a few months and I thought about people like you and others do. I know I'm theologically know a lot about that I really I wanted to approach it as a journalist in a Christian obviously take that approach to it to really dive into the evidence that that out there and help people understand what the Scripture really say so. Who were some of the people that you interviewed for the book though. I spoke with a number of people all within the Christian world you've got Dr. Michael Heisler and he takes sort of an interesting view on the nature of the man I spoke with Benjamin McIntyre who a usually end in deliverance ministry. I spoke with Daniel Rodriguez so I kind of had the chance to really dive in to people who are dealing with that. You know a people are dealing with it routinely write the people who work in deliverance and in exorcism, but be pastors who might encounter that in their everyday ministry and that was really interesting to kind of see the difference right of people who are encountering in their churches but not their day-to-day and then people who get their day-to-day now. In addition to that I actually spoke with people who were involved in specific cases, some of them are high profile cases that made that made the news.

In fact, things that we've internationally talked about in the media. 11 cases in Indiana, which I'm sure you're probably familiar with the NFL. You're getting a chance to talk with that of those people was really eye-opening because the journalist right in my mind. I've always looking for even I know this is real and I believe it individual cases.

I'm sort of looking 50 okay were the holes in the story of there's something here that might not be what they think it is, and it was interesting to discover and some of the stories that I couldn't find any other thing I would finding things men that really back to the stories up, so it introduces some of the data we know that Scripture speaks a lot about demons missing the New Testament that the disciples regularly drove the demons along with healing the sick.

We know that Paul writes that we don't wrestle with flesh and blood, but with the spiritual powers in heavenly places. We know that we told to resist the devil and things like that but I think for many of us demons, spiritual realm is the three secondary because were so focused on what we can see in the physical realm around us. In some of your research and what you put in the book, playing with fire. Are you convinced that exorcisms happen today. I am an interesting I think that we have a cultural – I don't think I know it right you look at Hollywood and I was going through in writing playing with fire.

I kept encountering the theme of feeling as though Manuel Hollywood is talking about demons and encode them to put that word." Goat demon and evil more than some churches are and are not talking about in an accurate way, but there's this real human interest in. That's right. And I think it because human beings know that the core there's something more we we know that there is whether we say we believe or not I'm in yet and yet were out there watching these movies but were not really thinking about these things in practice info to have your question yes I think possession all possession right like what we see in films again are not accurately portraying it always. But that is very rare but I think spiritual affliction is not is not rare at all and I think all of these things happen and what is so interesting. I would look at them critic then you know to get a reading what people were saying about going with Byron about the topic itself and note the Smith outright any evidence that out there but again there are so many compelling examples of people who've experienced them that they cannot explain yeah and they line up of many of the story line up very well with what we see happening in Scripture, especially when you look at you the feeling you know people who are who are afflicted that the you know, I guess you would call them symptom of possession on they line up at the muddy stories pretty well. One story that I've told that I was an eyewitness to very dramatic was years ago.

Friends of ours who had one of their kids in the same Christian school were her kids were going and one day they the came to talk to me.

Mom and dad. Their daughter was three years old. They had a pool in the backyard when she was two. She was very tight, always jabbering talking and she some of the mom looked away from moment and the girl walked down the steps that little girl into the pool and was in overhead. The mom sort of raced over, grabbed her printing happen, but the kid stuff talking and for year she hadn't uttered a word as to jabbering the whole time and doctors did know what happened to her. So evidence of brain damage and and I just said I immediately said there's a spirit of fear came over her and she needs the needs be broken off of her. They came to a meeting one night and I prayed over them that the daughter was home I the two-year-old three-year-old. At that point I pray over them. The power of God fell on them is quite dramatic. They went home and she was chattering away and when I saw them for the first time in years old, was I think late last year.

They said yes she's doing characters I think works in counterterrorism sub something like that were all smiling about it but I mean she was happening and he had a whole year. In the movie someone broke in the spirit realm.

She was set free. So obviously we can go to extremes and get crazy.

And the devil made me do it, but you're researching things is as a journalist, clearheaded guy is a not only is the Bible talk about it, but there is clear evidence of it. What about Billy the bigger picture of our society as a whole is a just human beings getting crazier would you think that there is spiritual warfare that affects our nation. A.

The worker that affect our nation when it when I was going through writing the book I I'm looking at. I had never gone to Scripture and only I plated out the part that talk about Satan and evil, right and not something that I had ever done.

I read it all. I looked through it and how to read and you move on when you pull those puzzle people out and you have a chance to really look at Dayton and I mean he's lying is attempting to steal and destroy, and to kill, and you look at what is happening and culture in the very attributes of the that are described we see them manifesting in culture and it's happening at a time. I am of course we've always had the cultural plates right do they think of always been there but it intensifying and it's happening at a time when were sort of thing. Hey, we don't we don't need God anymore.

The culture we don't need dental underpinnings work to figure it out on our own, and I think as Christians we know that that's not doable when I couldn't figure it out on her own, you end up with chaos when you remove when you remove God, but absolutely I think we we see cultural ways, and cultural shift. If you look at media and you look at Hollywood and you look at what happened in the last 15 years. It's almost unimaginable and unbelievable what we've allowed to be on television during prime time right. I mean, so this influence I think is everywhere and were going to do that intensify.

I believe that time as time goes on here but again you have a weird situation where culture is a theft with the topic yet love to only sort of fascinated with it when it involved you quote unquote fiction but we have real stories out there are people who have been afflicted and they been hurting and they been looking for answers and it virtually ignored and that was really interesting to just denote parallels and connect that I do talk a fair bit about that on cultural aspect of playing with fire as well playing with fire book.com playing with fire book.com Billy do you have your own view as to the origin of demons interesting question because I try to avoid telling people what I think about it I I really don't doubt that. I know there's a debate over whether it's Snapple them or whether it fallen Angel. What was interesting to me is that it could have the gush, and I tend to get a fallen Angel. I intend to resume a little more but I know people on both ends of that spectrum. But for me the thing I reminded people as you look at fusion fixed were in that battle. It's not in us versus them, although I think we get consumed by that there's a real spiritual battle going on for a dozen to me really even matter what they are the same effect right the same nature of them doesn't really impact to assist these breaking to how she does it, which come from your list what is listed here though so I either admit it is. It is an interesting discussion and and I appreciate your just putting the different views out. Obviously, though you knows an author and publishers want to know okay house can help the readers.

It's great.

I give interesting information, but once again it do for reader.

So first how does this impact you writing playing with fire and then what you hope in the book with your you as you hearing from readers as the books is been out for little while now hearing from readers house impacting them for me. I have to be honest, I would care to identified that on a contract for two months I've been a lifelong Christian Bible and looking at the issue that I'm thinking do I want to invite this in my home. Do I am equipped to do this and I had all these questions about it. And what's so crazy to me that at the end.

It was one of the most beautiful experiences because what it did, and I hope the same thing for others when they read it it it really did reconnect me with that at fusion fixed method. This idea that this think that that it's real that we have the spiritual battle going on and that we can have a shield of faith and we can take up the armor of God, and in what is that really mean it means a living as a Christian you are having a relationship with Christ, praying, reading Scripture having a day-to-day real no relationship and that that is what keeps us grounded and protected in the midst of that of that battle. And so it brought me a great piece and I would say the biggest thing for readers. I don't want people to be scared or freaked out. I have heard from people is that while you know there's only stories in there that really impacted me in the outer moments I was freaked out at the end goal is for people to be pointed back to Christ right when you understand evil and you truly grasp it. I believe it actually points you write back to the need for Christ and for great think though that for me was my personal take away anathema really hoping I mean, I went into this project praying and thank God I want you to use it however you want to use it because it's not a topic I think you talk about it. We talk about in our world. I think generally even a lot of churches.

It's not being discussed. I want people to talk about it discussed the and really be pointed back to Christ's yet testing to this is become to break you with all the world's interest those paranormal nonbelievers to say this little draw. The saloons will hazily thanks for writing.

My friends go to playing fire book.com Douglas Billy thank you here on the line of fire with your host Dr. Michael Brown voice of more cultural and spiritual revolution there again is Dr. Michael Brown read the rest out playing with fire took on the document.

Don't confuse that with my book playing with holy fire, which is a wake-up call to the Pentecostal charismatic church in which I have chapters on mercenary profits and unaccountable profits and remember much of what we know about the gifts in the New Testament is because Paul was dealing with abuses, but he never said stop the gifts or I reject the guest enough from heaven. Thank you.

Praise the Corinthians for not falling behind in any of the gifts and so that he wanted their faith not to rest in the wisdom of men but in the power of God. That's when he came in first preached to them, but abuses must be dealt with where they are and to repeat what I said many times I'd rather have the gifts in operation with abuses that we can correct the not have the gifts in operation so 866-34-TRUTH we continue our interaction.

Let's go to Orlando and High Point, North Carolina. Welcome to the line of fire. I will look around very well, thank you equipped with 1411 talk about talk talk respond to Bob, we, we finally want to fight and I don't eat properly you feel about your book talk about God is God telling you should not. So the week.

Dr. Lohr on the now and you need to know we could got it talking to the book for a bit in the light of that time, God speaking correctly so I yet think that is already written about the future, not about something to somebody. So God told me, I don't yet.I conquered the Elkhart… Orlando to clarify that. So in the New Testament in the book of acts. The 11th chapter agonists comes with a group of profits, and he prophesies that this can be a famine that comes to the to the to the Roman Empire. Isn't that prophecy about the future by rendering and then asked 21 agonist prophesies that that policy to be bound.

When he gets to Jerusalem, so prophecy in the New Testament is not only predicting the future, but sometimes it does predict the future. Would you agree with that. I would read that, but Bob will be something like the Holy Spirit let them know the company don't happen to a person right that the Roman family coming to Roman Empire that was for everybody and then they concluded they were supposed to do something from this Orlando. Here's where you and I absolutely agree that God is not just giving abstract information.

A lord what's the weather to be in four days it will. The only reason I need to know, that is, if I'm isolated somewhere in a catastrophic situation and I have no access to know the weather have to make a life critical decision. You know, otherwise it'll get online and check the weather right or wrote it okay there is no who's going to win Super Bowl. You know inputs in 2022. The next Super Bowl gussets is to give that information in a random way, but if there's a reason we need to know right you know that someone I remember a friend of mine. I was praying was one time at my house and this was in early 1980s. And as we as we are praying the mid-1980s. He got really shaken and I said what happen he said while I just sold one of the two of us.

You know, get in this severe demonic attack kittens almost took us out. I figured I must be for him. Not for me, will he went and shared it with Nancy, my, my wife and she probed a base adult was Mike is a real bad attack. This can come against them. So we went to pray in advance and the attack did, was a real bad spiritual attack with because we've been praying in advance when it hit. It was not nearly as forceful as, like with the hurricane that you ready boarded up the house and evacuated so yet for sure, sir, there's only practical. God's giving speaking to a person about something in their lives or if there is future information.

There's a reason for it. It's never just abstract. So in this case with so many people's income would be reelected if it was just hey we want to know what's coming.

Tell us that's why what that's not how prophecy operates for the purpose of however however if there was a reason we needed to know in advance which in this case was no god really did speak that you need to hold on and pray until get discouraged by the fraud or allegations of fraud, pharmacy, or they were wrong they were wrong.

Hey, thank you for the call in the interaction.

I very much appreciated my brother 866-34-TRUTH a let's go over to Susan and Rockville, Maryland. Welcome to the line of fire. Good afternoon Dr. Brown thank you for my care taking my call. I just wanted to say that my my feeling on that whole discussion about the prophet getting it wrong or getting it right. I think that you know just like in the Hebrew Bible that went.

We don't doubt that prophets got it right. Everyone went to bed on Tuesday night at one so that prophecy were correct. There is no question that he one that he had been a friend is thrilled Abraham a covenant saying that he will bless those who bless adjacent cursor. However, we did not know that it demonic software called, of all things Dominion. I was going to come into play and salami were right. Let me challenge that I miss you levels okay number one Nancy Tuesday night still is not been sufficient count trunk was looking much better. At that point but nothing official taken place. That's the first thing the second thing is if in fact this Dominion software is everything it's been said it wasn't sweet so this was God knew about that in advance. That didn't surprise him. He knew about before the world was created in an that's the second thing the third thing is that many of the profits that he would be reelected, not just that he would win a certain point in time that he would be reelected, and serve a second term.

That's very different things. So if if the conditions were if the church prayed it would have more the church (like crazy that they can't be issue mass gatherings, private gatherings, online gatherings, so to me with all respect, Susan either. Either it will happen and the profits will be proven true really heard from the Lord and they held onto those words even when it seemed impossible or very difficult like right now or they'll have to say we were wrong and we were wrong, not just here and there but almost to a person which be very very serious breach but again I don't unwanted a numbing to demean what you're saying and I know you've given serious thought to it in the light.

I don't accept that. That to me is is it is an easy way out that that to me is like I prophesy you know by the side of a crash on the side of the road as the persons being matter-of-fact to the hospital, a God shall be that they're going out there to live in the, the, the injuries are not life-threatening and then the helicopter crashes all the crash killed him is like something would be missing there. But thank you, thank you for calling and wing at night. I do appreciate it. 866-34-TRUTH of let's go over busted Maryland Silver Spring right next to Rocco Chelsea. Welcome to the line of fire Brown how are you doing very well.

Thanks.

I have a quick cracked and the general question today, but out there and bear the difference between being born again and being gay and I think it may mean that they had been born again and. And I thought about that but I always believed that you can't really check out.

They stand me out like a hockey, unborn again, but they thought explanation and kind and work understand how one can lose their database and it is a difference between being made and being born again know your thoughts on that.

So it was all respect to different with the pastor that being saved to be born again a really synonymous in the New Testament believe on the Lord Jesus and you will be saved right in acts 16 or if we believe in a high confess with your mouth Jesus as Lord will be saved. Romans 10 and then Jesus in John three. You must be born from above.

The new birth is salvation, the new birth is being saved from sin saved from death same from that the that the kingdom of Satan safe from the wrath of God brought into the kingdom of light going from children of darkness to children of God so saved born again absolutely synonymous that there is an ongoing work of salvation, our lives with that we are being sanctified and set apart to God in an ongoing way, but for some to be saved is really synonymous with being born again.

Now there many who, like you say no you can't lose your salvation. You can go from being you passed from death to life. You don't go back to death, or from being born again to unborn again so I understand that way of thinking, but as I understand Scripture, God does not force us to stay in his house. In other words, he welcomes us as his children and he gives us new life, but he doesn't force us to stay in his house. We can if we desire walk away from him and deny him, at which point we forfeit our our rights and belief, we forfeit the gift of life that the Holy Spirit is given us. But either way I would I would make those two separate issues. Chelsea, in other words, that saved the born again are you synonymously in the New Testament.

I say absolutely yes and generally speaking, in our Christian pylons today. Those of us that use the term born again or saved because not everyone uses those terms were time of the same thing and if I say when you get saved. I miss going to get born again. When did you come to know the Lord went. When did you meet the Lord and go from not knowing him to knowing him not serving him to serving him living for yourself to learn for him him you say were you born again the question of lose your salvation. It when it's possible not put that in a separate category and you can continue to dwell on that Scripture hate talking to you. Thanks for call tomorrow serving Jewish Thursday getting into the Scriptures as Jesus three times. And remember to get my emails you want to trust me good as Dr. Brown.org ask if you're around the side of