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It's audio only today, we are not broadcasting by video but I did. I just finished excuse me here one hour plus online dialogue, debate about how Christian should vote and always good there. Took a little break was on the phone, always good, so the restart the radio broadcast and my voice a little scratchy but just all the talking. We are good and glad to be with you here; 866-34-TRUTH 866348784 I guess the key is to never stop talking right because when I took a break from talking to about 20 fits with my voice. I'm a very horse all right I am opening the phones for all subjects today like we do on Friday so it's often difficult to get through on a Friday any question you have of any kind. Anything you want to ask me about biblically and theologically, socially and culturally, politically see. When asked about in any area of expertise. We have, by all means give me a call.

866-34-TRUTH if you want to probe me on something if you want to challenge me on something if you want clarification on something. By all means give me a call today so I'm in Oklahoma City for the premier of the documentary that I hosted a call in his image. It's a major documentary put together by the American family Association, and even though I've been part of some excellent documentaries in the past dealing with what the Bible says about homosexuality dealing with testimonies of folks who come out of homosexuality. Transgender is him. This is definitely a unique documentary what it hits on and how hits on things is very very unique.

Now it's the preview tonight in front of a live audience that will be part of a panel discussion afterwards with some of the producers and participants, but one week from today, October 20 is the release of this movie free online that was originally going to release in movie theaters as well as online.

Because of cultivated and which theories are open or close the resistance decision made not to do that so it's going to be online and it's free so this is something you want to watch. Maybe get a church group together may be everyone watching it different homes together talking about it afterwards, but you'll find it to be of tremendous importance, tremendous help.

Here's how you get your reservation, go to in his image.movie that simple in his image.movie. I believe if you make a donation of any kind you get a DVD with a lot of extra footage and material.

Some of that I haven't even seen, probably much of it I haven't seen of but everyone can watch for free. Just give your email you begin to look a notification. This is wonderful for those who want more biblical grounding as to why we hold to what we hold to theologically and scripturally.

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You'll find this to be biblically sound culturally alert.

But above all, full of compassion, full of grace full of truth. So go to in his image.movie do that will be having some special interviews in the weeks ahead with some of the folks were part of this movie so really excited about doing this later tonight if you happen to be listening in your anywhere near Oklahoma City and its today October 13 as you listen live, then join us tonight.

The details are on the website asked her to Brown.orc okay the hearings with justice and become a Barrett. I'd say they're going just as expected right as Lindsey Graham said yesterday.

We know the vote of the judiciary committee, Senate Judiciary Committee of the Republicans going to vote for justice. Barrett all the Democrats are going to vote against justice Barrett would be a shock if any Democrats change their view and it's interesting she's been impressed by how would you rule on this out on this is using what's called the Ginsberg rule because Ruth Bader Ginsburg. Although clearly to the left. Clearly notice a progressive icon.

She said hey it's not proper to say how you grueling you have to look at the individual case and evaluated independently and things like that so any Barrett's doing that while addressing issues that are being raised. Interestingly, she was asked about the George Ford video and if you watch that. She said she did and she asked what she was asked what kind of impact that had on her and she mentioned that her husband was away with some of the kids on a outdoor trip of some kind and she was home with her 17-year-old daughter so that's an adopted Haitian daughter and I think another daughter maybe 10 and she said they watched it together and she and her 17-year-old who said they wanted. They work together. It was very moving for them as a family.

She selected within a certain cocoon whether haven't faced some of the hatred that's out there. She said racism still exists and you know for central daughter sticky okay what's it going to mean safer. They bring a child into this world that look like so I find it interesting that when I was looking headlines and if you look on the liberal site you get one impression a conservative side.

Another prescient but that story was mentioned on CNN solvency, something that was considered moving know it's interesting is that the cop involved with the with the brutal mistreatment of George Ford. We don't know if he did it as a racist or if he did it justice.

Some irresponsible policeman or someone that practice were telling others was 99% race was raised that issue. We don't know that we know it's terrific. We know it's an example of police brutality must be addressed, but to this day. Do we know for sure.

It was based on recent did just the point. My point is in her and her eyes it was a racist issue and that's how she and her daughter process that look everybody's moved by individual stories. Everybody's moved by what happens in in your own life and you share about these things. Personal I would think that that would help human eyes are, but the one thing we know is that these hearings even though there have been questions about her faith in the and leader try to attack and of the group.

She was part of people appraise and make them like this extremist crazed cult mind control and your tax on her adoption. All this for the most part just being a mother of seven, two adopted children from Haiti and a track record that she has of the American Bar Association rating her as well qualified minority view qualified the jury statement well-qualified this is. This recent statement from American Bar Association suggest evaluating her credentials capabilities. This is a much less divisive hearing in the Cavanagh hearing, even though the potential consequences of this review, greater interviews even more strongly known the nature of the case is such that you can be attacked the way Cavanaugh was attacked so we keep praying for God's best in this situation.

I did a debate on capturing Christianity webcast earlier today with Dr. Justin, chronic professor, at Disney, we were we were discussing of his professors doing postdoctoral research Notre Dame elsewhere anywhere anyway.

He believes that we should make an alliance with her enemies and in this case vote by Harris rather than trumping for him. It's a matter of biblical justice and the marginalized and the poor.

The hurting and whose policies will stabilize his policies will help more people in his view by the Harris of course I categorically disagree distorted with the abortion issue, but you can watch that on capturing Christianity and will be posting a link to that later on.

All right, much more to talk about that we go to the phones early today and we start in Rockford, Illinois, Louis, welcome to the line of fire. Hi Dr. Brown thank you for taking my call. You're welcome to question it.

Well thought they would expand the matriculating down through the school I finished my Masters of Divinity in now training my PhD from liberty biblical exposition so you race is what we did to get your masters on Grand Canyon University. Okay. Excellent Yaphet recently been upgraded to a seminary, but yeah so I started a paper in research paper running and I was working at the Septuagint reading of AMS versus map metric check and I noticed that in chapter 9. 11 oh pretty pretty different reading in the metric text versus the Septuagint water. What original what you believe original reading what event and why do you think that it would change the Septuagint and counter contrast with extracting right right so let's let's start with how it reads in the text of the principal things that caught your attention in terms of the differences were what well while in person. 11. There are different.that are male and female and confusion about translating that and why it's that way.

I believe it has to do with referring to the tabernacle and David and so I think that's why there's different types of topic and that first initial burst but in the second verse that mention even Edom, and in the Septuagint. If humanity and so I wonder how, why, why would translated that way, as opposed to the way you see them being Hebrew text right and I was just getting the various conversions and in front of me so I'm hungry reads first from the new Jewish person you JPS which is going to be based on the Masoretic textual tradition right and spell Amos correctly there to do that so it translates versus 11 and 12 as follows in Amos nine that they'll set up again the fallen booth of David.

I will mend its breaches and set up its ruins new I will build firm is in the days of old. So the sales process. The rest of Edom and all the nations once attached my name declares the Lord will bring this to task. So the first thing and then up the Marie from acts 15. In a moment the first thing is, Edom and mankind's is very easily understood because you have the same consonants for a dome which is Edom, and a Dom witches would be humanity or mankind there. So come back on the second right after the break will come right back and finish this error on the line of fire with your host Dr. Michael Brown. Your voice is more cultural and spiritual revolution. Here again is Dr. Michael Brown and his friends for running as funds are open for any kind of question you asked me 866-34-TRUTH 866-348-7884 so we go back to Rockford, Illinois and Lewis so when we read the New Testament citation Amos 911 and 12 recorded in acts 15 a beginning verse 16. The biggest issue as is the@is accessed from the Septuagint. The biggest issue is really in verse 17 that the remnant of mankind may seek the Lord, not the Hebrew text as we have it says a Dom Edom, and it's spelled with the fall of telling you it's a dome.

The fact that Septuagint translates as it does with enter upon is telling you that the text that they had did not have the vote of their it's just that the consonants are left all the men so would be what's called the defective spelling and the question will be, well, how would that drop out a dome would normally be spelled with the vav so the argument could well be that the earlier text was just a Dom mankind humanity that that's what's reflected there that the the Masoretic reading represents a later reading this would be the argument and that the parallel in the second half of the verse call ago you and all the nations would indicate it's the remnant of mankind. No, it's an unusual expression, the remnant of of of mankind remnant of a Dom of which seems to be the better reading you could make a case for the Masoretic text because of the remnant of of Edom and some of the larger context and in Amos got in with the nations but just looking at it and not not getting into it in massive depth and in other words you are taking many weeks to unpack everything which is what you have to have to do. I I would say you could make a strong case for the for reading a Dom mankind and I'm just look at the most recent critical addition of this scope biblically over the break. According to and the textual notes here.

Yeah, for defense of the originality of Septuagint proofs presume for log of the. The original text that it was dealing with their sub. Here's a whole book in with a number of pages devoted to it yeah and and again during their academic arguments both ways.

If I had a lien one way or the other I'm I might lean with the Septuagint. In this case, but to get into it anymore depth year, which would bore everybody is not helping keep up your studies and keep up the good work there. Lewis appreciated. Thank you very much all right answer me for thing 866-34-TRUTH hey listen I do my best to answer questions in a way that's useful to the caller. If the caller has more than academic background. I want to answer the way that's helpful without being unhelpful for everyone else. So hopefully we can strike a balance there. Let us go over to Curtis in Tulsa Oklahoma were not that far apart, both in Oklahoma today how you doing I'm doing good technical sure thing. My question is about the word years ago by a Jewish woman was about to be a prophet and there with burning kind of the end of day. All right. What specifically is the question just what the concept means or what will and what I've heard years ago which I cannot remember her name. She said that Obama wall when Obama was in office and am holding prayer with Muslim Ottoman that was one of the mark of the end of day and that didn't have my computer tomorrow.

Try to find out about it and how does one and if you know anything about the subject is not particularly that part looks like in two separate issues Curtis let's look at what Scripture says about the birth pangs and the end of the age and then secondarily what what you remember hearing this woman say so Jesus teaching in Matthew 24 very well-known words. His disciples asked him after he told them that the temple will be destroyed. He said okay you have these great stones organ be cast out of the civil what's gonna happen with society coming in of the end of the age. So in their mind so to happen at the same time and they couldn't imagine the temple in Jerusalem being destroyed the city being destroyed and that not being the end of the age. In Jesus coming in final judgment so they're asking him these things over these things be, will be the son of the coming of the end of the age. Jesus answered them see that no one leads you astray for many will come in my name saying I'm the Messiah will lead many astray you'll hear of wars and rumors of war city are not alarmed for this must take place, but the and is not yet.

For nation will rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom will be famines and earthquakes in various places.

All these are but the beginning of birth pangs. Now if you go over to Luke 21. We just have one extra word added in, which is of interest is Jesus's is answering this same question.

He says when you hear of wars and timeouts. Do not be terrified for these things must first take place, but the end will not be at once nation will rise against nation kingdom against King of the be great earthquakes in various places famines and pestilences in OB Terrace great signs from heaven but before all this. These first things will happen in terms of you being persecuted so some of said will look we are we living today. Got world war God earthquakes with God.

Famines with God. Pestilences yeah I wouldn't say that we have all of these things happening on this level and we've had times of much worse world war, World War I, World War II, being the most notable in the in the last century and and we we have had earthquakes, famines, pestilences we've had to say that we have terrors and great signs from heaven. I wouldn't say that we have that clearly now, but even so, if that was the case. Jesus say the end is not yet, but these are the beginnings of birth pangs, so maybe were entering a situation with the world up evil with the nature of the pandemic with the whole order of things being so dramatically shaken America being more shaken than any time in our and or art modern history that maybe were entering the beginning of birth pangs, meaning that is the return of the Messiah skin closer. It's like a woman in labor so she's in labor, but the baby's not coming yet but skin closer and right you'll know that it's the case because it's good to get more and more intense with more more rapidity.

Just like labor.

You know, if you married your children remember you, your wife thinks maybe she's in labor.

It's right online, but not the dispatch that was in it and another date, not cited in the okay this is it of definite labor so than the labor pains will get more intense and closer and closer together to the babies born so if if things go pretty much back to normal. A few years from now and and life is kind of the way it was a few years back. Then I said okay were not in the beginning of birth pangs. If this subsides for Walden bone. Something else more intense than doing something else more intense. That's okay it's getting closer but that remains to be seen. I honestly can't tell you if if we have 10 years left of world history or hundred years left or another number.

I honestly can't say I would say this though, as far as this woman saying that Obama praying with Muslims… I birth my site.

I see no scriptural evidence for that.

The words that to me would be something that she believed the Lord was showing her but I see nothing in Scripture that would give me that indication that would tell me that's a certain line that was crossed then you test that word by watching what happens in the years that follow, but that in and of itself, I see nothing in Scripture that would tell me that.

Okay, that's a specific thing for the entire world that were were in the birth pangs.

All right, so I worry about that at all.

Okay. I couldn't find anything yet. Well it's certainly not anything that became a major prophetic word that was heard by many different prophetic people around the country and that that something that we are really expecting.

So don't trouble yourself with it don't even look for 866-34-TRUTH all right Christian in Toledo. You will be next but I don't want it. Take your call now and not be able to answer it fully four months are open. If you just tuning in, we are giving some extra space for phone calls as I'm out here in Oklahoma City and we are audio only, I'm I'm not playing clips from the hearings there so much that can be played with common know again where things are gonna fall and what's interesting though is that a number of the senators in their times of got a half-hour to make the presentation to interact with with Judge Barrett go back and forth that. Obviously, each has an agenda and some the manage is to score points against Trump to score points against Biden euro war or in other words it's it's got almost nothing to do with how just disparate or potential just disparate with would rule on the court or what's her judicial philosophy is just I want to scare everyone into thinking that for years. Trump and you lose your health insurance and Godiva pre-existing condition and that's what you use my time for than someone else. I will use my time to show what we need to vote for Donald Trump for the future of America to be kind of like Otto I I mastic to give my take on who's going to wait in the sports event and instead I I give five reasons why everyone should vote for this political candidate, but that's what you expect so a lot of water. Conservative liberal shows just get all the news clips but that's that's available go look it up.

Check it out. Nothing really learning from the hearings except what we knew before. And as for Judge Barrett how she is conducting yourself where you thought you would highly professional, even in tone, maybe even winning some people over little 866-34-TRUTH by the Expo line of fire with your host Dr. Michael Brown. Your voice is more cultural and spiritual revolution.

Here again is Dr. Michael Brown wanting us on the line of fire. Michael Brown communally live from remember friends the moment you have a chance go to in his image.movie in his image.movie in his image as in the image of God our Creator. Good in his image.movie sign up to be notified so that you can watch the free release of this online try to reach the maximum number of people American family Association did a tremendous job. This project was worked on over many months I worked closely with them as the host of the of the documentary tremendous guests sharing their testimony, their background, different guest winged sees me theologically, biblically, ecstatically, just this wonderful powerful compassionate truth filled so so needed in the body today, so by all means, check it out in his image.movie.

It will be officially released next week, but you can this on October 20, but you can watch the trailer there you can watch some of the interviews with some of the people involved. It's it's great watch just what's their veil ready and booked up the whole film will be maybe two hours will be screening at tonight in front of a live audience and having a panel discussion. If you're anywhere near Oklahoma City all right with that. We go back to the phone's 866-34-TRUTH and Christian in Toledo Ohio. You are on the line of fire going on payment of a question about X2 38 (your brother had a conversation with coastal or she will send it need to be baptized for salvation right and she will fax to W a right and remember the crazy talking about it. We like okay well understood and are super gay. Would you notice were pretty baptized and when you notice book about Leo as we forgive me some speed only goes right ahead and believe it. 44 week with Peter speak just so they receive a gift, but only those budget believe it. So it is 11 out of a moral argument for brothers update: an orbital fear that Peter had that little mistake out of the room to hear. He stood use you get the money goes by, and baptism, but the just those unrestricted by believing, so most of the equipment yet so the answer is that we are required to put our trust in Jesus, which includes repenting and turning away from sent asking to save us from our sent and and that's how were saved and was it is in acts 16 what must I do to be saved, believe in the Lord Jesus your household and you'll be safe were justified by faith, not the rich mentor Senate that's the gospel and the proof of it is just as you said next 10 that the Gentile believers heard they were obviously saved and got confirmed it by pouring out his Spirit on the now baptism in water is a command it's something that's very important and and we cannot neglect it and walk in harmony and fellowship with God at the same time so it is important command and it is something that we we do as an outward sign that we have died with with Christ and that we are now risen with him in new life. It symbolizes the washing away of our sins. These these are all important things and and in the Jewish world of that date. Ritual immersion was very important but salvation happens the moment our faith is put in Jesus, so that's why the thief on the cross could be told to be told by the Lord today. You'll be with me in paradise simply based on his faith. So baptism is required is important, but know you can receive the Holy Spirit before your you are baptized here if that's a runner playing together right and of sharing the gospel with you and we're in the midst of a 15 hour flight and you receive the Lord right then and there.

I mean genuinely born again. With tears repenting and I pray for you right then Lord filled my brother with your spirit, and it would not surprise me if right there on the plane next to me you began to speak in tongues is a sign of the outpouring spirit in this. I came in soon as we get back, you know, let's get you plugged to church and get baptized, etc. but, of course, acts 10 is is is perfectly clear proof on that so we don't, Peter is not saying he's not giving an order first repent secular baptized 30 receive the spirit he saying you are called to repent and be baptized everyone you put your faith in Jesus. Everyone is required to be baptized and you receive forgiveness of sins you receive the Holy Spirit. It's not saying you're not your, you won't be forgiven into your baptized nothing that either. So, yet your your righteous acts.

10. And that's one of those interpretations that goes beyond what Scripture says it produces more than we should just based on one verse so basically I was wrong and that Peter made a mistake that I was under the assumption that when he formed you made very clear, politically performed without a broker were credited a bungalow will be about start benefit at alert signal only go so without road foaming that Mr. Peterson only I'm sorry didn't address that more clearly, and I thought you were saying it kind of in a rhetorically made note. Peterson made no mistake Peter was speaking by the spirit so he absolutely did not make a mistake, but the idea that you can't receive the spirit into your baptized. That's false, or the idea that you're not truly saved into your baptized. That's false. So you're saved as you rightly argued, the moment you put your trust in Jesus to save you from your sins and you might receive the spirit at that moment. Baptism is something that is important and should be done okay over a recruit with our current yeah sure Leverett would you speak about this one.

At the club probably got the reluctant got dumped about going there.

Peter made was big about the circuit, correct also so milk every Peter later little mistake. In the knowing was curricular by God in front of the thousand sold by completely welcome. Yes, I think that you preaching under the anointing of the Spirit at Pentecost. He certainly did make a mistake. Plus that's reaffirming elsewhere in Scripture. Repentance and and faith, repentance and baptism. Yeah are a good arm never got that cleared up. Remember you speaking to "mom are very you will be born of the water.

Nicodemus in Nicodemus and all that one right there. I have not a rude way, but have not heard a clear answer to this are all people say that he meant that you must one of the woman in the end of the Holy Spirit in one water break are a couple of things but I never really heard a real reason why this is not fair that you must be baptized, complete, go to our I've heard anyone say yet that all give me a good answer why not, but it seems like he means that you have to be baptized and you have the most critical to answer the answer to that would be that there is the symbolism of being washed by God, washed by the water of the word. For example, we have that in Ephesians 5 that we are washed by the water of of the word soul out when you look in Ezekiel the 36th chapter, and it gives you the imagery there of the new heart and being washed and cleansed so there is a twofold work that takes place don't know some do argue again that as you said, it's water, natural birth spirit spiritual birth.

That's one position but another position is more than spirit that the water symbolizes the washing of the word and that the spirit symbolizes the new heart that we receive by God and that would be water in spirit and as a first century Jew, especially with some of the imagery that we have in the Old Testament that that would have been self-evident to him.

So again another argument be theirs. Water baptism in the spiritual baptism of but that's just one of several possibilities and word and spirit washing the word is one that I think is a very strong argument so Christian. I appreciate questions are important questions for sure publishing at 866-34-TRUTH. Let's go over to Burlington, North Carolina Mike, welcome to the line of fire. Dark brown what the great morning on.

That defendant Dario yeah so it's so interesting you ask this because I was writing a forward to a book and the book was emphasizing the importance of recapturing words like holiness and repentance and brokenness and humility in the blood of Christ, and so on. And then it was talking about the importance of preaching resurrection power and in that chapter. It mentioned Jesus descending into hell and what happened when he was in hell so I said in the forward of look at what the early church taught on this.

Look at what the Greek Orthodox Church teaches audit examined by Scripture and country, and conclusions.

But that's not a major focus of the books adult. Don't get hung up on that point. But what's interesting is that I I just happened to look at it afresh either revisited just a few days ago so what we have in Scripture is a few statements we have in Ephesians 4 when it says that he ascended on high, quoting from Psalm 68. If he ascended. They must've descended first into the lower, earthly regions, does that mean that he descended into the netherworld at his death or does that simply mean he came down from heaven all the way down to earth and that's all it means. So let's just say that's debatable. First Peter three though says that he went by the spirit and preach to the spirits who were imprisoned. Now he didn't evangelize it, just use the Greek word for evangelize, but rather he preached to the spirits who were imprisoned. So at the very least it. Speaking about the spirits of the fallen angels and others who had been lost since meets once a soul at the very least he's he speaking in those ways that he went down to the netherworld and declared his victory declared his victory overall satanic power in them was raised from the dead, but there are others that believe that Jesus went into hell and you don't Calvin for example, says that on the crawlspace. If a written of Stan Calvin in his institutes that on the cross Jesus suffered the wrath of God as if he was feeling the pains of hell.

Others would say no. He died on the cross, refilled everything that had to be done, but then after death descended into the netherworld and in either conquer the forces of hell split his victory experienced some level of separation the father and then was raised from the dead. So it's an open question exactly what happened across the grave or some mystery to it spirit here. The Expo line of fire with your host activist, author, international speaker and theologian Dr. Michael Brown voice of more cultural and spiritual revolution get into the line of fire now by calling 66343 here again is Dr. Michael Brown wire course voice. Trust me, it's not covert sickness. Just a hoarse voice from some speaking and a little traveling, but it should be clearing up. I trust pretty soon Mike there is a view to categorically reject the view that claims that Jesus descended into the netherworld suffered as if he was a sinner himself took on a sinful nature died spiritually and then was raised as a glorified man. I categorically reject that is a heretical view and it's it's taught by some factions within Word of Faith movement. Hopefully it's it's been abandoned, but only read disputes slit long and James white if you're listening.

This is the longest Calvin quote I've ever read on the broadcast. But you tell me what it sounds like Calvin is saying ascended to James for clarification but didn't hear back from him. Here we must not omit the dissent to hell, which was of no little importance to the accomplishment of redemption for although it is apparent from the writings of the ancient fathers that the clause which now stands in the creed was not formally so much use in the church is still giving a summary of doctrine, a place must be assigned to it as containing a matter of great importance, which ought not by any means to be disregarded. Indeed, some of the ancient fathers do not omit it and hence we may conjecture that, having been inserted in the creed after considerable lapse of time came into use in the church, not immediately, but by degrees. This much is uncontroverted that it was in accordance with the general sentiment of all believers. Since there is none of the fathers who do not mention Christ assented to hell though they have various modes of explaining it but it is of little consequence by whom and at what time it was introduced. The chief thing to be attended to in the creed is that it furnishes us with a full in every way complete summary of faith containing nothing but what is been derived from the infallible word of God, but should any still scruple to give it admission into the creed.

It will shortly be made plain that the place which it holds in the summary of our redemption is so important that the omission of it greatly detracts from the benefit of Christ's death.

There are some again who think that the article contains nothing new, but is merely a repetition in different words of what was previously said regarding respecting burial. The word hell and furnace being often used in Scripture for sepulcher. I think the truth of what they allege, with regard to the not infrequent use of the term and furnace for sepulcher, but I cannot adopt their opinion for two reasons.

And then he goes on to speak of as it seems his descent into hell. In his suffering the fate of the lost.

They are now was scavenging at spiritually happens on the cross are actually descended into hell. It's it's an interesting read and interesting to try to figure that out.

But something happened that we don't often talk about. Was it simply his descent to the netherworld to declare his victory was there any aspect of freeing righteous the righteous who are waiting for his redemption before ascending to heaven, and some Christians believe was it at the said into hell and asked to speak of the pains of death can hold him that his suffering on the cross continued in some level in the netherworld where he he suffered the fate of our eternal punishment and was raised from there by the father. That's some of the debate that's going on but something happened for sure between the cross and the grave of great mystery of great importance right now right across your baby. Right exactly but it's so the question is the question is this Jesus descended to the netherworld and there was a paradise of the righteous. There is some of the church fathers believed and that that's where Jesus was initially and then he proclaims his victory over all the forces of darkness and that he ascends to heaven spiritually with the souls of the righteous, then he's physically resurrected. After that or is he saying you will be with me in heavenly paradise today than how we have descended into hell. So the these are some of the things that remain mysterious in terms of exactly what the chronology was between what happened. Physically, his death on the cross and his physical resurrection. We know that his blood pays for ascends that is for sure that that he did not need to make an additional payment beyond that.

But is there any level of identification in our sufferings and in abandonment by God that he experiences in the process of redemption. That's where the debate is so can keep taking into it. Mike and and your outlook look.

Also, if you want to just get an overview look at the harrowing of Hell, just search online for the subject. The harrowing of Hell, there's actually a recent article yet harrowing HAR ROW ING the harrowing of hell and you get a number you look at that even on Wikipedia. A number of the different views that have been held to okay I got all right.

Thank you for also. Yet, you bet 866-34-TRUTH if you're Greek Orthodox treasurer of nurse churches. You know that's a major thing that you're involved with the focus on the harrowing of Hell in Jesus victory over the powers of darkness and declaration of that, etc. in between the cross and the resurrection of let us go to is it clear he should cliché inside Dell, a Louisiana welcome to the live fire yet I had not grown yet cliché grid is cliché right as as Rachel Spalding from yes go ahead please.

I had a question about judges chapter 11 verse 29 through 41 and how they are eligible To Becky about Jeff that more in Dan on top after the garden to the New Testament in the book of Hebrews chapter 11 and a talk about the great people they think amendment Hebrews chapter 11 verse 32 but I think whoever wrote the book of Hebrews, Inc. he didn't have a lot of time to breath on great people. They felt that on Nassau. So the question is how does Jephthah get get mentioned when there's this horrific thing where he makes stupid Val and read the text literally that he sacrificed his daughter to God and adjusted abominable thing so the first thing is Hebrews's is giving a listen.

It's it's obvious he not everybody but some of the people are, ordinary people that God used that believe God and that's how Jephthah would be in there. His mother was a prostitute.

The fact that God raised him up to lead the nation was an unusual thing because he certainly wasn't a qualified kind of person or the one you would've thought would be chosen and yet he makes it in that list and in Hebrews 11, so there's there's the one aspect to take part in that it's it's everybody and anybody that puts their faith in God can be used even people who are flawed in many ways. I mean if you if you think of it. A Sampson is on that list as well. Right. Instead Sampson the first recorded words of Sampson in the Bible. I've seen a woman and he gets in deep trouble in a cost customer size is blinded cosmos life ultimately but is fooling around with with Philistine women and yet he's in the list, so some of the judges, Gideon Brock Sampson Jephthah David Samuel the prophet. So there there exploits that God work through these people. Some of them very ordinary. As for Jephthah's vow you know he comes back from victory and says hey. The first thing that walks out of my tent on and a sacrifice, obviously thinking that animals are near their account of living in same place come walking out his daughter comes walking out as I made a vow have to keep it there are some interpreters who believe that she was consigned to never marry and that was what she was morning and grieving over and that is the that is the pain that she suffered and that he didn't actually sacrifice her, that would be nice if that was the case, but is very hard to deduce that clearly from the text.

It seems to point this out. Is this part of the guy that he was in the reckless nature of his leadership and yet used by God. When we look at we look at a Pres. Trump today and we see things that can be reckless and words that can be reckless and yet otherwise it is been used positively. It's a reminder that God works through human beings are goal in Jesus is to be as much like the son of God as we can. In the words and actions. Indeed, so that there is less collateral damage through us in leadership and ministry. Hey, thank you cliché for the call.

Much appreciated. Hey listen when it comes to the elections.

You say how should you pray, pray the prayer that's always the right prayer to pray Lord in America in 2020. May your name be held pray the Lord's prayer make application board. May your name be hallowed here in our nation. What ever will bring most glory to your name, bring that about Burger kingdom come.

May your kingdom influence kingdom righteousness. Your kingdom truth.

May it impact may come more and more to America through the selections 2020. May your will be done on earth as it is in heaven. Meaning, just as it is done perfectly in heaven, Lord, may it be carried out here on earth.

So Lord your will be done with the 2020 elections.

Your will be done.

The president to local city Council. Whatever offices are open for vote. Your will be done in the courts in your will be done above all your people. I tweeted this out yesterday. What does the world see what it looks at the church today. See the image of Jesus. See love whole truth. Better way.

God help us step higher God saving hallowed you and me.

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