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Drive with Josh Graham 5 Castle Dr. there's been a lot of noise around the reluctant story and I think most of the conversation centering on debating whether Andrew luck handled this the right way and I've seen even some already leaping to define his career legacy fine. This is the part that's frustrating to me.

Nobody is talking about what is primarily responsible for sidelining into retirement the greatest quarterback prospect of this generation. The answer is simply football the sport itself is what to blame is what's the blame for this throughout the press conference Saturday night. Angela kept referring to the cycle that he's been enduring through the last four years, that cycle being injury, pain rehab if you talk to any professional football player what Andrew luck is describing their isn't special to him. They all deal with that. That is a prerequisite to football this cycle that is describing of injury, pain rehab when I first started covering the NFL. It was the most staggering thing that stood out most to me we get this access. That's incredibly intrusive. The game ends and 10 minutes later where in the locker room and we see these players literally strip down to their skin and you see how broken they are game to game.

When you hear about fans that say they're entitled that these rich athletes they have too much and they make too much and they never see and you never see it broadcast just the physical toll that these players take week to week and how inhumane this sport can be at times. Just listen to the way Andrew luck again was describing what he was feeling while even standing at that microphone saying that his career is over after 60s and I'm still in the time of the cycle which feels like it's been four years of the century pattern rehab cycle and for me to move forward in my life the way I want to involve football. I really feel like this is a problem for the NFL where you have this player. Generational talent Andrew luck coming into the league. Everybody thought he was going to be Peyton Manning. He was going to be Tom Brady. He was going to take over the league and it never happened because they could not keep them healthy. They couldn't get an offense of line in front of him, that could protect them appropriately. But the NFL ever since Carson Palmer got hit low and that Pittsburgh Steelers playoff game nearly 15 years ago we saw all the rules of the game tailoring in a direction to protect that position more than any other position on the field. You can't hit quarterback slow you can't hit them in the helmet you can't hit them a certain kind away or else you will get penalized in the interim, may be fine after the game. The goal was to protect the quarterbacks and they could not devise the rules and the game in such a way that it protected Andrew luck from this headline. What is citing are the side effects of football this does not happen in other sports early retirements to Magic Johnson do to HIV Michael Jordan due to pursuing baseball. I'm not saying players don't even leave other sports due to injury. Their bodies not being able to go on but the injuries that Andrew luck has sustained or far different than the injuries that ended basketball and baseball careers in basketball its soft tissue injuries, ligaments being torn knees and and shoulders being knocked around displaced to a point where you just can't play that sport. It's just aware on your joints baseball that happens quite a bit, especially with catchers and and throwing a baseball it's it's not the most natural of motions, but that's not what were talking about with football last awaiting your kidney internal bleeding. Urinating blood. God knows what he's dealing with right now. These are injuries that you're yours you're used to seeing in sports. These are injuries you're used to seeing because of car accidents.

It's inhumane. Sport even as were being told that the game is been made safer. Your thoughts are welcome on Twitter at sports of Triad 336-777-1600 phone number if you'd like to chime in that way, the voice of the Carolina Panthers Mick Mixon will be with us to talk about this topic. Cam Newton's foot and some of the leftovers from Panthers preseason game number three the final preseason game the Panthers facing the Steelers this weekend for getting set for the Los Angeles Rams at Bank of America Stadium on September 8. Let's go to Joey and Thomasville first call of the week. Let's make it a good one Joey. Joey what you got on Andrew luck where not even not know why. Not about the mayor watching and the room with me got done. I think that the painkiller addiction and we have nothing to go along other than the guy that I wrote with a lot of people in addiction thing I wanted to talk about and when when he looked over to his wife married and looked at her in the way he thanked her that with her title and I really gotta think about it, that'll come out, but with pain and everything that he went to left shoulder of the concussion that with the believe that many football players have been only painkiller and make me wonder if you record the amenities that I thought and let the difficult part. And looked at it.

I think the United quitting because in addition to Joey thank you so much for the phone call I love that that he likes the take from his wife, but he knows better than the Steelers wife steak and then bring it onto the radio. However, on Mondays. We play this game called let's get crazy where based on very small sample sizes. We jump to conclusions with opinions and we just throw things against the wall, sometimes irrationally, I think jumping to the conclusion that Andrew luck is addicted to painkillers. I think Joey's wife deserves this great hot it's well-thought-out I'm not going to dispute it. Thorough, very thorough. Another thing happened since the last time I was talking to you guys. The ACC network launched last Thursday and if you had any doubt what this network is going to be built on the first 10 minutes of the ACC network really the first night of the launch. I think made it pretty clear the networks going to be built on college basketball in the first 10 minutes Virginia basketball and Ralph Sampson, Ralph Sampson's in the studio.

Kristin Lightner was the first guess they think was on the network.

Then what you got two hours in a Duke basketball documentary I did a Duke documentary drinking which I put on social media turned out not to be the greatest of ideas, but perhaps what time to get that in addition to that talk about some of the other stuff I been driving across the entire state of North Carolina.

Spending time in Charlotte. Of course, here in the Triad but also in Durham and Greenville America out in eastern North Carolina were excited for football season officially starting in college with week zero games this past weekend, but with the ACC network. The network is going to be built on college basketball and that is where it should be this market. I don't know.

People know this but this place Greenville Greensboro Winston-Salem High Point as a medium market was the second highest rated market for the college basketball national championship game March madness. We didn't have North Carolina, Duke, NC State Wake Forest playing in the final four was Virginia and Texas Tech. But in terms of market shares specific markets in terms of the percentage of people in that market watching Greensboro, Winston-Salem, High Point was the second highest rated market in the entire country which just blows my mind, but it speaks to how much we love college basketball and ACC country and it's something different it's something that's certainly going to distinguish the ACC network from the SEC network and all these other conference networks that have been built on football Dave M. Clemens once an unanswered Andrew luck, and specifically the draft class that he was in quarterbacks running backs and other positions.

It turned out to be pretty disappointing.

Dave what you got caught up in 2012 draft absolutely indirectly all interlock calls right major injury at Redskin art we know about him major injuries as well. Then for the Raven Bert ground Richard the Vikings that Matt Kalil for Jacksonville project six Dallas Cowboys took Mort Clayborn the Bayport box took Mark Van eight was Ryan Bill.and nine Carolina yeah great player with a lot of these guys in the top nine now.

Yeah, we don't have a great line on your right now unfortunately Dave, but I think the point you're making their the 2012 draft just crazy Andrew luck in RG 31 into and liquidate their about that X… Try to think about after just the first year that they played going to the 2013 season. We thought that was the future of the sport luck in RG three, both marred by injury. We thought that the Colts were going to take another step on offense when they acquired Trent Richardson via trade. He was an absolute blast Panthers fans.

I don't have to tell you much more about Matt Kalil but Justin Blackman bus the best player in the draft was looking like he was taken night by the Panthers that year, but if you go later on in the draft you get other interesting players taken Bruce Irvin is now a panther in that draft that was also the Brandon Weeden first-round draft pick that year seven years.

Her mood and that's the first round of the NFL draft and just so many players with great promise, who didn't amount to much because of injuries and it's football that's most responsible but here's another thing that stood out to be about the Andrew luck press conference. He closed his comments open to get press coverage before taking questions.

He wanted to talk about his level football still and he was asked if he had any resentment towards the game because of the way he's going out and I thought the answer to be pretty fascinating to say to my personal journey in football obviously have not been everybody's journey is as different from right you know over the past week. Think you might do. I hear you have a bunch resentment towards this gamer started towards this building and I don't I fight at all. It feels love for this game and love for my teammates and walked him him and I know I know my journey is handsome, some ups and downs and physically it has taken its toll over the last four years nine and that is why I'm here and in the mental and emotional toll that rotations well the injuries he sustained 2.they just don't happen another sports it's a problem for the NFL.

It's a problem for the sport of football. Philip Sweetser, I agree with your point of view on football as a family were grappling with the decision to allow our oldest son to start playing football. My fall is each one of those players in the NFL personal decisions that each day to take to the field. Now they know what they're getting themselves into, but if I'm a parent, let him I can play football with all the information that we have everyone trying to make the game safer. It's just not a safe game boxing not safe UFC not safe there just a little bit more transparent about what's happening than the NFL is. This is evident that football is just inherently not safe.

It's entertaining. It's just not safe. He loves the game but is conflicted and he needs to protect himself what you heard in the clip earlier. He can't live the life that he wants to. If he continues playing football. One other athlete and one other sports says that as a means to quit playing at 29.

What basketball player. Have you heard say that I can't live my life because of my knee ligaments no baseball, just not the case coming up. Why Saturday really was a win for Miami football. This is the drive talk about how this is 609. 20. Now back to the drive with Josh Graham is getting seven preseason game number four dealers but never said cam Newton sustained injury on Friday night, Thursday night.

The discussion has been about the preseason and whether or not you need for preseason games you have or how much starter should be playing in them. Picnics and longtime Panthers play-by-play man on the radio. Now with this on sports on dry at Mick has your view it all about preseason football evolved in recent years all I reckon that I'm barely able to speak because I'm captivated by a long train run by the California-based Doobie Brothers Tom Johnson and the boys are still touring some. They are the last concert you went to before you get the preseason football everyone great it was just a terrible leg.

However my wife felt like I was me and maybe eight or 10 other guys were in there but a lot of estrogen for the most part, and it would've been better but our seats were not fantastic. We were in the upper deck and it was hard to see heard from people who are down front that it was going to great shows in the course. Justin Timberlake is an immense talent. I mean just phenomenal. Motown R&B.

So far, he can do it all with the dance moves to boot before a couple weeks before that we went to see James Taylor in Charlotte and out of a lot of fun body rate was both open for me she was sick the day to do the whole, the whole show and was phenomenal. Just I really its bucket list up to see James Taylor a few weeks ago I was sent to see in the triad. Willie Nelson and Alison Krauss but Willie got sick. 83. I think he is in the rest of the store got canceled a week out from the show. I will not happen. How so going back to the preseason week we get sidetracked it's been a while since we've chatted and chatted. Mick how has your view evolve. When you look at it strictly through the prism of offense of players or maybe just all kinds of starters what their involvement should be in the preseason and the length of the preseason altogether will is always tell you, young man, and then we were to live by for your your your career, Josh Graham cottage industry continues to build momentum and that is not coach the team from the press box.

That having been said, you asked me to question and coach Rivera is probably down the hall somewhere, but I happen to be the one is on your shows. I will endeavor to answer.

I do not see the wisdom in playing even one starter, unless either rookie one minute of any preseason game, you'll never convince me that cam Newton if the Panthers take over the minute 20 to go gets around, down six from the -20 that cam Newton's is under it in the huddle, dropping the one the teammates draping around them thinking at any level.

Thank goodness I played against the patriots.

Week three and got three first downs. He knows he can play he already knows he's good practice can simulate closely enough the rehearsal that the game demand.

So I do about like Sean McVeigh and the Rams did and that is not play anybody at all.

Try to have all my starters lathered up fresh and fraught and ready to go with some of the Rams on opening day, not someone could say that we could look at me and say won't last time they not asked me what time you been to a concert boiler time you had a jockstrap on mood last time you made money playing a professional sport and to that I would have to say I get.

But Josh Graham asked me the question I just try to get my response and that the response you gave there right at the end is the one that I encourage some to have the perspective on when you're talking about the Andrew luck story from this weekend with some time to process his retirement.

What sticks out to you about it when you first blush on it could be you know he softly he didn't love football. He just liked what the game could do for him. He's got probably one of the guys that like to read Russian novel that he likes wine.

They like to go to Napa Valley like hanging out with his wife and kid that that shame on him. He's got a life dream to gold aspiration beyond football but I think it's more to it than that. I think that only this only this athlete knows only he knows what it felt like to try to play only he knows what it would've been like for him to try to take this this money from this organization. Not having this fastball, knowing that he's not not all there with the shoulder. The lower leg injury. The things that he's been through he'd begun lit up in his career. Me, he's gotten back to the ground quite a lot. It's been different than breeze different than Brady where they they get rid of the ball so quickly. There are lines have mainly kept them clean.

I had been quite like that for Andrew luck, sometimes no matter what you want to do, no matter how much you love it, you're eating up with it.

You want to do it sometimes, and this gave the Catholic play in your body just won't cooperate. What would you think when you when you first heard about. I thought about the inhumanity's time that this game comes along with this game compared to other ones we see maybe basketball and baseball.

Among the major sports in this country when you look at the injuries that are often sustained say in basketball get often soft tissue stuff with meat you get knee ligaments and you get stuff that you you're not worried about your lot the way the quality of your life beyond you playing that sport professionally, but the here Andrew luck talk about. I can't play football any longer because his concern was the life that he wanted to live in.

You look at the injuries he sustained they don't look like injuries you expect professional athletes to sustain they look like the injuries you would get after a car accident with the eye with a ruptured spleen and and.urinating blood, among other things he's dealt with over the years. Now the way we handled injuries. I think has changed with sport I saw around Rivera talking about yesterday when asked about Andrew lucks injury at the knowledge we have. We have a lot more of that in some rule changes have made things better, but when you see a guy at 29 stepping away from the game because of these injuries he sustained in this cycle of pain that he's going through.

Are you concerned or convinced that the game has gotten significantly safer paper now made five minutes ago that it let players drink water at at football practices across United States. If it is it is better advances in science, technology, hydration, stretching what causes a cramp because of the shins plant all the things but while that's all that happened. Players have gotten bigger faster stronger in the field is not gotten any larger. The field is still hundred 60 feet wide and 300 yards long so these these collisions are more violent and they happen in a relative comparatively smaller area because of how big the line minorities players and it will be interesting to see. Nobody said this is the it was easy it was going to be vilified out there. It is this brutal part of why we love it was finally able to talk about this headline that Joe person reported in the spring that you will be joined in the booth. In addition to Jim's. Okay, who's been in the booth with you since 1996 was been with the Panthers it's 96 you joining him in 2005. Jordan Gross will be working games with you take the loan will be a color commentator for 10 games as well. We already got the new Jordan on the network's work with you guys before. What will Jake the loan add to the broadcasts you think it would be much to listen to radio. I really do.I think that Jake alone is add water there and spent instant natural born analyst and his wife say that any anybody knows would notate all the Panthers Jake alone is iconic Hall of honor, former quarterback, one of our all-time favorite so that what you may not know is that he's a storyteller.

He gifted a gifted communicator. He got a very good humor rapier like we had honed a razor-sharp it. He and he and he listens it kind of a radio file.

In other words, he listens to the St. broadcasts.

He's done some high school football. He already knows, the mechanics of when the play-by-play got should shut up and let the colorguard talk when the going I should put it. Don't let the play-by-play guy come in when went to analyze the play went to percent to 30,000 feet and will analyze the game from altitude and I think you just going to be a phenomenal walking away like a little kid with new toys in my hands before coming the voice of the Panthers you were with Woody Durham all those years with North Carolina football and basketball backgrounds get to be a guest on the show a little bit later on. The Tar Heels will be playing in Bank of America Stadium against South Carolina on Saturday. Do you have a good Mac Brown story you can share with… They I have many many good Mac Brown story background could fill your own shoes back to you and you would think you had gotten a good deal. The he is amazing, amazing communicator and I learned a lot from Coach Brown, the Tar Heels went to Virginia one year early 90s with a powerful team had been Virginia Virginia since 1980 and think did not go well first quarter to nothing Virginia. So on the Tar Heel sports network. Given the first quarter stat your humble correspondent says the welcome back to God Stadium, Charlottesville, Virginia. Beautiful sunny day but things on the Tar Heel sideline are partly cloudy scores tended nothing Virginia first down to Virginia 11 Carolina none. Total offense Virginia hundreds 70 yard North Carolina 25 yard and, possession Virginia 11 minutes four seconds Carolina three minutes 56 seconds right now the Tar Heels have a drug problem on their team and that is that there offense is getting their defense of getting drug up and down the field by Virginia's often I didn't plan on saying that it just kind of flipped out, but Mac Brown heard tell of it and that next week called me into his office and he dog because me my parents for having me there parents for having them and I learned a great lesson from William Mac Brown. He was right. It was not something that I should've said you have to be very careful in our business.

Josh, are you humor.

I didn't want that one trying to hurt anybody's feelings are both obviously an inflammatory kind of a statement and oh, Mac Brown, a debt that I'm sure I'll never quite be able to square up with them for helping me understand the difference between the appropriate and the inappropriate on a major college radio network. Nick is somebody who is very affect using the full name your names what Forrest O'Ryan. Mix in the third. Do I remember that correctly yes of my mouth with all my driver life.

When's the last time someone calls you, Forrest, mom back with you that that will be a long time ago. Now the little Mickey make make it so good to hear your voice. Look forward to seeing you sometime soon.

Thanks for doing that. My pleasure broke my crappy ownership that's neglected voice of the Carolina Panthers all around good guy forward to hearing Jake to Loma Jordan Gross in the broadcast, dry brought to you in part by her friends at Twin Peaks restaurant 20 to tell you more about 20s come on at this point you should know that that's the place you should be going to Watch Sports Haynesville Blvd. in Winston-Salem. It's right there, they have the big illuminating sign and if you're looking to watch Panthers Steelers preseason game number four and if you're not interested in preseason ball Panthers Rams week one on September 8.

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Having company believing what you believe Doug Gottlieb Dan docket and O.J. Simpson do you want to be on that corner.

I believe this why OJ dockets Gottlieb are saying those are the three people who had the most I think reacted to response to Andrew luck, at least from a negative perspective. These are the guys went out there. Dan docket.

I forget the exact context of the tweet Aaron if you could find this very quickly.

That would be helpful.

Dan docket's talking about, I parents were on the steel mill wrapped around toughness.

My backside Dan docket, who I think is in Indianapolis is an Indianapolis guy Doug Gottlieb calling Andrew luck the millennial saying it's the most millennial thing ever because you probably heard do not want to play anymore since it was just sitting there in a fantasy draft upset that he just drafted Andrew luck. Apparently, but I don't believe that the camera was panting in such a way they wanted it to look like oh you just happened across OJ. I'm not saying OJ draft Andrew luck but I'm saying that's a possibility.

After want to get take that American flag down a million times during the OJ made an American documentary acted like someone had just broken in response while using that music before we would circle back to Doug Gottlieb talking about him. I think there's a proper way to address Doug Gottlieb like the sound first. Doug Gottlieb when I think about him.

I go back to the winter of 2060. It's February and he's one of the college basketball insiders for CBS and he had an opinion sand base to based on his sources is Chris Broussard. Sources that Roy Williams would retire if he got to the final four. That year and pass the rains across to Hubert Davis. Word got back to Roy Williams that this was said and after the game ends against. I think it was Miami.

If I remember correctly Roy is walking away from the microphones at his press conference and had a message to express towards Doug Gottlieb retiring as soon as she was only five were short on backwards like there's no this is not my cup. So every time Doug Gottlieb is in the news, Doug Gottlieb is saying something that sounds completely crazy. I just want this sound that we could play time and time again as a sound or as a form of notification that Doug Gottlieb is out here saying crazy point. I think it's a good practice. The funniest part of that and the reason why spelled out the timeframe rather than just playing the audio Tar Heel fans know that what you wanted to go to the final four.

That year they lost to Villanova on Christian can shot the next year. They went back to the final four on the title two years after that deciding your contract extension once again dunking on Doug Gottlieb's work. So my words will Aaron what exactly did Dan docket want to save his manly tone that you hated to really one sound like this. I have family working steel mill cops teachers make a far listen.

These guys tired. My backside was owned by were short on backwards while the Szilagyi from Texas, you little listening on their severe bod. My day. We ate spellings that were ruptured for breakfast sardines for dinner right PMO and I'll show you some blood straight out of the K is like a cowboy or something with Doug Gottlieb talking about millennial's getting dumped on by his own college source owned by Wurtzel backwards just started. There's no better way to start a tweet then that's total BS. Yes, dog source owned by Wurtzel backwards back to the X-Files sound because that music really conjure something inside of me every single time I hear it I get goosebumps on my body and usually that sound means there's aliens about maybe the conspiracy theories to deep questions being asked. Which leads us to the future of Indianapolis Colts football Jacoby percent is going to be taking over for Andrew luck needs to be you and C state like Glenn on whose prevalent and hard knocks and Philip Rivers was playing ball joints Jacoby percent and those are the only quarterbacks who are NC State guys starting in the NFL right now. That's the last. It's Philip Rivers it's Mike Glennon and it's Jacoby percent. There is nobody else 20 Wisconsin guys but no other NC State quarterback is in the NFL. At the moment but Jacoby percent.

As we discussed with Dave Clawson McDavid Doran at ACC kickoff in Charlotte.

He is interesting on Twitter and doesn't mind asking the questions that are important to ask such as this one that he tweeted out in July. Sitting here what shape is the sky what shape is the sky that's an interesting question. Jacoby percent when asking that question. Interesting phone same month. A few days prior to that, Jacoby percent tweets. At which point does it change from going up the street to down the street is an interesting question because there are cities that have towns and downtowns and I don't quite know the difference do you find yourself saying I'm going up the street or down the street where I am by no warrant like in Winston Ike and Sam going down to sprite Street or ongoing up to the north. So you're actually talking geographically when you say most people would know the general direction going. I don't say is going downtown Charlotte you like to jump because it's uptown Charlotte and me take offense to people call it downtown. Even though it is downtowns listen to people that generally jump people, not the ones that care for calling uptown or downtown home and they're pretty rough list scientific way I handled it. I walk out of my house. I'm going to the right going down the street.

If I go to my live up street while why left right fun that way.

I see list scientific manner got no idea on Twitter at sports on Triad do you say, up the street or down the street. Do you know geographically when you're saying it. If it is in fact up or down you're going think you really thought about it I use both Jacoby percent bringing up the questions that matter.

Yes, people are wondering at the culture to be a playoff team, but how about this one. Jacoby percent which part of the pigskin is actually a football now so many jokes in my head right now. Anyone want what y'all doing today. Please state what that thing over there.

Yes, that's the profound stuff man. I just ran 609 24….The way Indianapolis and firing killing him with oil field for the final time thinking about something that is one of my biggest when fans when media leave the team when the team went we won that game or we lost where playing Clemson, where getting set to face the Wolfpack or the Demon deacons etc. etc. this story the way the Colts reacted its further evidence fans are really a part of the team you know who doesn't know when things are going. When bad news that maybe inconveniences the football team arises real teammates people who are a part of the team. People who are in the organization administrators and college people who work in the franchise office for the Indianapolis Colts and whoever you're talking about teammates didn't do or immediately criticize.

They listened they showed compassion because they really care about Andrew luck these fans don't if you're going Andrew luck as he's walking off the field. You don't give a damn about don't care about your team care about that logo you care about your own experience at the stadium, you might just care about your fantasy team like O.J. Simpson.fans can blow to my life.

I'm not objecting to fans having the right to bill you could do that all you want.

Just don't be surprised, though, when players don't factor you into decisions that affect their lives because this week and showed how fickle that relationship relationship can be between fans and players. Lebron James learned how much Cleveland fans loved him when her just how much that was when he decided to leave for Miami in 2000 and they started burning his jersey and they booed him when he came back to for macro to lead you to an NBA finals appearance, and they seem to love them just fine when he came back in 2014. If it was the Carolina Panthers and cam Newton deciding this most recent foot injury that I have not set that this Thursday night against the Steelers. He's walking off the field and it's gotta be the final time. Adam Shafter reports it, it's going to happen. This is it for cam Newton. How do Panther fans react. How would you react 336-777-1600. The worst thing we do in sports. Sports fans do escape goat athletes Bill Buckner is the prime example of this Bill Buckner who passed away earlier in the summer history doesn't remember the details when it comes to scapegoating. We remember the guys we establish blame to losing games, but the details often melt away. Did you know that Bill Buckner had the ball roll through his legs that the Red Sox weren't leading at that point that a wild pitch allowed for a run the score in the game and tied you probably don't remember the name of the picture, but Mookie Wilson hits the ball through the legs of Bill Buckner.

He gets blamed for losing game six. Even though it was tied at that point. Also, it's often forgotten that that's game sex and the Red Sox love again seven in which they can went to rescue things so Bill Buckner did not effectively lose the series for Boston, but he was shamed out of that town because of the way we scapegoat athletes the way New Orleans Saints fans have been blaming this referee for the NFC championship game loss to the Rams even though the game was tied and then the saints hit a field goal after that penalty allowed for the Rams to drive all the way down the field had a gametime fugal got the ball and over time through and intercepted before this at the Rams.

Ultimately, one on a game-winning field goal and it was a wicked long kick by Greg 01 to make that happen.

But no histories going to remember the officiating gas because of the way we scapegoat athletes when I was covering East Carolina and Greenville. The all-time leading scorer at the time for EC was a kicker named Ben Hartman and then was excellent kicker. He beat North Carolina on a game-winning tick. In 2007 2009 the Pirates were facing Arkansas and Ben Hartman missed not one, not to but three tics that would've won the game for you.

See you back a man's everybody's blaming Ben Hartman. There are people who are dressing up like Ben Hartman at Halloween as a joke because of how much people dislike this player for missing kicks going back to the scapegoating and sports.

But do you know who stood by Ben Hartman, his teammates Dino didn't throw him under the bus's coach people in the program. The people that actually I think have the right to say we when they talk about their team.

It bothers me when fans do because if you really wore a part of the Indianapolis Colts. You're not doing you're not doing Andrew luck for the decision that you that he may your compassionate you're listening you're caring for Andrew luck you're appreciating what he did for you before you arrive at a place of instant judgment and billing 336-777-1600 is the phone number if you'd like the China on the drive. Let's go to Randy and Winston-Salem if it was cam Newton walking out the field Thursday night this foot injuries just too much.

In addition to the shoulder stuff on dealing with. I'm gonna retire.

Just like Andrew luck. How do Panther fans respond. Randy I'm not sure on I would maybe you would you cheer here, not now. I will here but I would just sit and read one. I asked Andrew luck probably know you said it himself like a phone call.

He said that it's the cycle of injury, pain, rehabbed that he was tired of those are prerequisites to the game.

That's what those things are. We've also been talking about the idea of a good segment chain. If the Miami has 305 new turnover team that they unveiled this past weekend.

They also have the touchdown ranks the hurricanes across the knuckles like brass knuckles so we thought why not do it in radio have the good segment chain.

Aaron made a good point in saying that's the ultimate visual joke that we can do the new boss lady here at sports on triad times in on twitter just heard Josh Graham say they need a good segment chain allow the turnover chain for the show.

It's radio guys find some jingling chain sound of fact you can't see a real chain on the air. Also, it's not in the budget so requested. Asked on the air in question by the boss, new boss because he on twitter but it is a good point. I think deserves the first ever good segment chain away that were going to be my soul was really gravitating real quick and the change Aaron). Here's the same day. Hello, what are you careful a lot louder than the sound old Charles Barkley's championship rings chrome on the roof through the chain now brag when the first ever good you have a better segment.

After this one good segment chain for let's get crazy. We need to figure that one out.

We got back coming up in about five minutes. Good segment same. I love it. I really do. There's a lot of things I will. There are a lot of things I want to talk about on, let's get crazy takes that I've accrued over a couple days of vacation things I need to talk about. Quite honestly, if you want in were throwing away journalistic integrity for 10 to 15 minutes just throwing hot ticket against the wall, seeing what sticks. It is the radio equivalent to the jumps of the conclusions back from office space.

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If it is a hot day. You will be rewarded with this segment and recently I like the bad never to get a better understanding. Aaron certainly does a swaggering and right now he has good segment chain on but I think I'm pretty hot right here clearly turned his microphone back on saying that I Taylor Swift dropped her new album this weekend is best album of 2019 oh my gosh just going to some of the songs of the South that I love biggest story music right now is no question the Netflix vessel.

She had. I watched it maybe three times. Not saying that I did but maybe I but looking at the new album. The song called lover excellent in me.

The music video with Brandon Yuri. It's good to be the biggest album of the year and if you disagree with that call you a hater and there was left does a great job of dismissing the haters just look at the names of the stuff you got the archer and Cornelia Street. I really like lover, which is the title track of the out command really good is also focal paper ranks, gold rings, like what you're wearing right now.

Paper rings a big sock biggest album of the year. I don't know how much of the streamed over the weekend, but I maybe listen to this album. About seven times already water biggest on the 20 little brother Taft not not as good is not as good as let's go to Greensboro to Greensboro very quickly.take.

Let's get crazy crazy call your shopping clowning division of Andrew luck's not there anymore. And the more Miller got injured over the weekend and that's good stuff. A good start from the audience and let's get crazy thank you. Let's go to good segment chain. Aaron Aaron go Star Wars movie is just coming out this Christmas with Walker not diet any of the others I had already I'm pretty sure God. That's the whole thing with that I go don't want to believe that I die. That's how they usually go the bodies move on to the next level.

I think he's arty dead air horn back buddy chain lowering their same people that what might I mean that I was happy you said going that's going to leave the Colts to the playoffs team division. I like the quarterback and also those who push back the playoff team name. Six good AFC team name 61 favorite teams like the Steelers are about them anyway around right there Steelers maybe ravens maybe themes in the amount of the South percent percent by the back door will be aligned any kind of fact might take what you got next big trouble in Little China is the greatest movie ever created by young Kurt Russell reports right there got kung fu action and it got girls with Chinese girls with green eyes and you got three close to godlike creatures, one of which lightning out of his arms and hands and is a fantastic movie. If you have never seen before.

I got no retort hi I like got drunk so it was on this verse and it still stands up. I watched again the other night about time that should be yours if this 90s related to any 56. Trouble in Little China. Dwayne the rock Johnson is supposed to be doing a remake of WoW I don't know how to carouse a little less credit will see how that all plays out. His plans record that the Miami hurricanes when the coastal division Miami. I was more present Miami that I was with the Florida gators from being completely honest, I'd like their defense that it was just a couple small plate where okay you missed a couple of tackles and company are in zone Florida they pick up want to get it under short yardage situations for four on fourth down the office line at the problem but probably not the face of the line is good Lord is the rest of the year.

I loved what I saw from Karen Williams didn't turn it over against that front that had 10 sacks.

I thought Miami probably one the game at 36 minutes, possession and turnover battle for the one I like the Miami game. When the coastal request was made.

I like Danny knows great script on the first drive driving down the field. The new up at the board later to clean up the penalties that procedural delay of game a few times. That was problematic but I love myself. My most talented team in the coast more what's going on around very quickly. Lightning round Aaron project is announced they will start testing beyond project three years out is what you expect dystopian universal hero about there was like in kale salad that is crazy. The Colts win in the south of the Cold War, no baby will not believe how do you get two reasons why I have influences on this thing and be like the codes who led the comeback of all time and in about 12 history break right biggest comeback in college football history. Marilyn break right in applicable right right quarterback will expect the squad – living with opening all of it does. He's probably going to win the good segment chain.

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