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September 23, 2019 6:35 pm

The Drive with Josh Graham - Panthers Get a Win

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September 23, 2019 6:35 pm

Host Josh Graham with Desmond Johnson, Aaron Gabriel. Busy weekend in sports....reactions from App State's big road win over UNC on Saturday. Carolina Panthers get a road win over the Arizona Cardinals and rule Cam Newton out for next Sunday. Dez cant figure out how to play Lets Get Crazy. Tune into The Drive with Josh Graham, Mon-Fri 3-6pm on Sports Hub Triad!

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Drive with Josh Graham 5 Castle Dr., Carolina Panthers are in the win column. Kyle Allen's getting all the credit.

However, that's not who I give the game ball to it was me making the decision. Ron Rivera deserves the most credit for that went not call out like quarterback like that go just to get given too much of the credit for the winds we often get too much blame for the losses but riverboat Ron. He lived up to his nickname by sticking with Kyle Allen when it wasn't convenient to do so. He believed in him before Sunday and I think he deserves most of the credit for that he knew about cam Newton's injury. According to the timeline he presented right after the Panthers lost to the box that Thursday night, which means if he thought there was a chance cam wouldn't play against Arizona. What an opportunity to bring in a veteran quarterback 10 days to prepare versus the normal six. Maybe you could get somebody like Robert Griffin, third via trade. Ryan Fitzpatrick or Colin Her neck as a free agent bringing one of those guys.

I was one of them that fell victim to think of Carlisle was a good enough. Carolina needed to bring in a veteran Ron Rivera made guys like me look stupid yesterday and reminded us all why he deserves the benefit of the doubt as a two-time NFL coach of the year. He knew Alan had the potential to have the performance you did yesterday.

In fact, the way that he spoke about it. He banked on now I'm given Ron Rivera a lot of the credit but in the interest of fairness, if Revit we we were right to criticize it before, or at least be skeptical of it before his belief in Allen because last year. Cam got hurt and it wasn't Allen starting week 16 against the falcon. It was Taylor hunting and when the deep ball was thrown and stretches we cam clearly didn't have it. I think about the Giants game, most notably to set up a half-time bugle. It was Heineken, get not out so if Ron were believed in them so much, was Heineken getting the start Carlisle and never sees the field in week 18 against the saints, probably not against the Cardinals yesterday. If Heineken doesn't get hurt against Alanna and week 70.

So then, Allen gets the start and he's great against New Orleans in the off-season happens and everyone's talking about cam and specifically what the papers are going to do behind cam on the depth chart. Backup quarterback became one of the primary concerns among Panthers rent at the Panthers altogether. That's what you draft will Greer in the third round and if Carolina had it their way. Will Greer plays well enough, they don't need Kyle Allen on the roster, but Greer hadn't gotten to that point, Allen was better in preseason and in training camp. Carolina decides to keep three quarterbacks.

Ron deserves credit for that. Keep three quarterbacks not signing a veteran when popular opinion last week was to do that, he stuck by Alan. Not only did that he was unafraid to be aggressive without heat through.

On first down five of the six first first downs of the game because of the right brew on first down five of the first six first downs.

Carolina had, he was throwing in a two minute drill Carolina didn't need out and just get a half-time though they were aggressive and DJ more had the touchdown grab as a result, Ron leaned on him in adverse situations. After the fumble, and Arizona scoring. He threw out of that scored a touchdown, leaving him down the field courtesy annual getting into the end zone down early in the third quarter continuing to go without great coaches find a way to win that game. Cooking is very got fired in the big 12 last year, Ron Rivera, two-time coach of the year in the NFL. This is a game. If Ron really is the guy that's again. He went out scheme of things.

Barry was a must win game for Carolina and he pulled it off, but today removed from Kyle Allen having this terrific effort. Ron had a chance to evaluate the tape. Here's what he had to say about Kyle Allen's afternoon in Arizona. It was there was really no different than what we saw last traditional relations and that was he a good command of what we're doing spread the ball around with you guys know some I really do like to say because again in your account focusing on one guy, Greg Olson played a huge part helps LOL the young quarterback getting himself open, presenting a good target, making good plays and catches Jim's most spectacular one in the end zone early on, which was in great but he was there to help sell the guy down what your viewpoint on the Carolina Panthers quarterback situation 336-777-1600 on Twitter at sports untried if you want to chime in that way. The big news of the day.

Panthers be without cam Newton. On Sunday they officially ruled amount. The Texans game they wanted to be 100% Ian Rappaport was the first to break the news and he said as well that it's a day-to-day situation versus a week. The week so cam very well could return for the Jaguars game at home. The following week. Ron said there's no timetable that he has for cam Newton's return smartly by Caroline figuring out who cam is far more important than a September win in Houston on the road or even the playoffs this year because you're in a position next summer. You likely have to make a call is the somebody or to commit four years, $40 million or $30 million at least per year in each of those seasons for quarterback is good to be 32 beyond the end of his contract beyond his contract expiring 32 years old. Moving forward, you need to see them in 100% to accurately gauge where he's at and see what he currently is no limitation. Kyle Allen bought you that time. If your Ron Rivera. That's the big thing I think they're handling this is about about as well as you can. Also developing Kyle Allen a little bit.

If the answer is grim and cam cannot recapture his fourth 2015 at Campion we quarterback gets to the point were David Tepper and Ron don't want to pay him that amount of money moving forward while you have Kyle Allen you can win games. It seems like has a good arm and you drafted a quarterback in the third round we saw Pittsburgh Steelers do that with Mason Rudolph. Even though the Steelers lost to the 49ers.

He showed a lot of good things yesterday so Carolyn is developing the position. Also there pressing the right buttons we cam and looking at things from a big picture perspective rather than trying to win a road game in September against the text notes did win a road game in September yesterday Daniel Jones did that and I'm being told that Desmond put something together in honor of Daniel Jones.

We at we have a direct line to Daniel Jones that we use on the show we have another for Doc Rivers so Dez and Daniel Jones put something together, which were to get to in just a second, but Chad is in Winston-Salem who wants to hand out a game ball yesterday for the Carolina Panthers win over the Arizona Cardinals. Chad is your game ball go out to get ahead at a secondary drug Ron Rivera call on your part got away to one Dante Jack that Beckett intersected when he stated it was late in the week and dated calibrated for that body jumped up heavily into that vertical leap next year. Sharks will be watching Dante Jack that we got at the garbage channel. Excellent work that I didn't know if it was good to be a great game for Dr. Jackson when he missed a tackle to tackles leading to a touchdown he had that big leading tackle that he had with the shoulder same drive to missed tackles as he tries to do it the same way and honor the Redskins playing tonight. Dante, he was going into the locker room yelling big game for him is a big plague, learn that he's not all about the little things is about the big stuff.

I'm excited to hear what you just did here. I haven't heard this yet.

I don't know what Daniel Jones did for us the day after the big win for the Giants at Tampa but it's find out together like this wash over you who yelled as I was going be the only hot rookie from Duke University this year to ridicule the New York football. John screamed for my child to watch out for Jones ballplayers number six overall that made no sense? Ability how I throw how I pass how I get dates on tender how I test tomatoes, fresh lemon pepper wings over garlic Parmesan bait I heard a heart at all. It almost made me cry. Almost you will not defeat me today cruel world because you even knowing I was coached by the quarterback whispered himself, our Lord and Savior David cut Cliff what in the still laughed at me as a new sheriff in town is taller, cuter, stronger than Eli Manning is taking a bite out of the Big Apple flame. You guys find time. My moment, Daniel Jones, Sarah is super excited golden Daniel Jones coming from just being sheepish quarterback ticket number six to be in this swagger monster to be wearing you to be wearing phases and cam Newton like hats and scarves. Maybe short sleeve suits in short pants. Jordan's evolution of Daniel Joe it's it's begun test tomatoes that the people leaving the freshness trying whose requested a how he gets things on tender, how tall your drive with Josh Graham does force have 609 20 only on the left prefix yard for overtime this fall down all our meals and right here on Friday with cold mountaineers Saturday as Appalachian State gained its first power 5 million yes school in the first story win in Ann Arbor 12 years ago, beating the Michigan Wolverines were now be enjoying by Adam Whitten during that call back.

How would you write your call. 1 to 10 I would rate the amount of nervous energy, loaded out now be like and you could hear it. There both about screening block and you know defeat each year supply and jubilation coming from that, you know that I don't know about it. I don't know that other app can. I never really felt like we were even though Apple was waiting the entire game. After they they rate the nearly 7 nothing deficit. I never really thought until Darien with which got called back applicant when the game because we made mention of it of it so many times. Up until that that play that could come so close. Another heartbroken income. He gave the last three years and if you wait for an update and no-hit.I was thinking they get the ball with 30 seconds to go at their own 20 yard line, no timeout course to get in position to take a 56 yard field goal and connect over time and a chicken to draw out it wanted to possibly know about the call man but I can tell you your all the nervous energy and anxiety bursting out of their Michigan.

I think that game in 2007 Appalachian State on the map. Nationally, my viewpoint here with what Scott Satterfield Bill and really an unprecedented level of success from the team going from FCS to FBS maintaining championship culture at the FBS level in some doubt that they had previous at a lesser level of college football it's it's just such a remarkable feat, but this wind here I thought validated at state as a legitimate FBS program that can comment and actually finish the job against the power five school when in past years, they haven't been able to quite finish things out. Is there validation that comes along with this when in Chapel Hill, you think I think so. I think they'll be good to be a good day. Every week we heard that her date game that had this reputation as a giant killer. And yet they've gone coded code that the country over the years, but in reality why they lock 11 straight alien power. Five. School and nothing Michigan game back in 2007.

Yet it is a little bit of validation to be able to say we been playing for a while now were worried. Anybody in the state claimant anybody, and we proven it. We just haven't gotten the win but yelled.

Finally they were able to close when out what was interesting. Josh is the narrative after game the players would have a combination of beating an opponent out of the ACC and and be able to claim a little sliver of the big sliver of bragging rights, but then the other part of that of the narrative light being able to finish the job after coming so close you hearken godly toward their linebackers of the seniors on the team who you experienced the experience wait for six. Date and and they haven't had anything concrete to be able to show that yet one conducting chicken bowl games. But they have been able to beat any of the P5 painter when he became like that and now they have come to the show for all that hard work and dedication and everything that people been saying about them being in one of those hoplite programs in the state in the region was interesting to see that narrative, going back and forth between the two pillars after the game on Saturday. The voice of the mountains. Adam Whitten's with us on twitter Adam D. Whitten listen to Mountaineer talk your own sports and triad tomorrow at 7 o'clock last week with the show and then everything leading up to the game and what you've dealt with after the kick was blocked in the mountaineers ultimately want in Chapel Hill. Give me a sense for just how much this means to Appalachian State as somebody at state fans go to when it comes to just be in the voice of the team.

What if you heard yeah. Great weather here your player or coach staff member a broadcaster and you know what whatever your date with wicked program.

It really kinda came to fruition. The effect of winning this game and what it around the state and around the communities. It comes republishing Sunday morning, you people going to church with their liquor at state Polo on getting comment.

I went in early morning bagel for the family Sunday morning bagel came out wearing a hat you know I have people think they can grant grad and I just want to talk about again what it meant how cool it was that happened a lot on Sunday. The real payoff. I think a lot of people going to the mean. You go this morning where my state Polo income other people render Polo talk about how cool and then when people get in the office today. There they are there taking shots at their Carolina contractor celebrate with their act. Eight years and that's really where the thing is really paid off in a different dynamic of the other things when you beat and indicate opponent and you work with people in an you people that are bantering between the all in your circle because you live in the state.

That's what's really cool about it, to be assents to do celebrated all Saturday night. This way you out. I'll be on celebrate it with an exhausting day you die you know you guys are great affiliative art and you carry the entire two hour pregame show that we are on the correct number in our it was a long exhausting draining day. We are up at it early morning so when the game is over, just kind of did their look at the skating with the lights on before we left I drove back back to my whole after the game is over, you know, I was able to wipe glad Friday we're going over it again and talking about it because they were there and she got my kids there to admin. We are all there.

Chapel Hill is not altogether so the first can't really talk to her about the game but man I sat down and poured myself a yoke of gold mail and, went through. I was able to respond to text messages and tweet things like that of people expand after the game is over that with my decompress on the couch. She wants in the late calico ballgames and live it all little bit in my mind talking to people about it. I celebrate a whole lot. I was pretty tired but I'll let it my own way I can set staying on brand Adam, thank you, spending time with this was a great call great game. We look forward to the next game is Appalachian State receives AP top 2502will be in the top 2540 something got appreciated… On twitter at Adam the Whitten listen to Mountaineer talk tomorrow is right. It is a tiring day I showed up at the stadium around 245 3 o'clock and Adam Molly in the game gets on the air they get on the air at 132 hours before kick and there's like a clear window separating the broadcast booth and where I was sitting in the conventional pressbox.

The general press box. I look to my left and you could just hear through the glass. I was sitting close enough to the glass how excited added them in their Adam and them were at that call right there at the hearing one more time because I really do feel like it was a call back to the Michigan game at 2007 what to get here was the call. Adam Whitten from Adam Whitten is out of act states beat North Carolina on Saturday only on the left – 56 yards to send it to overtime. There's this that fall down all Carolina people are boys cracking color analyst jumping all over the play-by-play man block kick to close things out.

Desmond, where have I heard that before 37 yard field goal. This is it is right here it's already set will okay not nearly as egregious of the color analyst jumping all over the play-by-play guys call but still, it only seems that the first FPS power.

Five. When they get since the first power by Wentz and this gave comes on the block kick and the Colorado was making his presence known.

I never had an issue with the color commentator doing the kind of think of ways to do color commentary until I started doing play-by-play and now I said I hear it in a different like bothers me everything yeah I mean it's absolutely no granite. The Michigan when I get it mission was number five in the country at Michigan hundred thousand people cheering against game is just as big North Carolina. The people here in the state like nationally speaking. It isn't right but what makes college football special I have to get this question for people is why what you like telephone poles.

Much of the were more than the NFL.

There is no equivalent to what state did to North Carolina in the National Football League. What is not equivalent not playing a team for 79 years and then beating them and having your first power.

Five. When in 12 years, going to church as he mentioned seeing someone would North Carolina Carol or someone you know to be in North Carolina for or whether you're going to your a water cooler at work today is an apt statement that that amount of trash talk. It doesn't matter all man the Redskins and Cowboys. It's the same deal you play again six weeks later errors is no equivalent out know what church this is where you were Carolina gear to it, like what was up with that.

That's foreign to me were Carolina year to church.

Why not go through the body. Yeah, I've gone through and not down a denominational church my entire life and mind.

If you wear polo and genes really like that of lectures and outside churches before and I were polos I would love to see that I would love to see you in a black church only when that would be a great church but get out great that the fantastic thing that only soulful clapping awards are the ones of the kids started to go well for me know. I never goes well were Jersey to black church. Oh yeah it was okay for me to call like black church I'm sweating right now doesn't limit when you said is likely what work you want to get a church sorceries.

This was a ramp. The cousins are what when did you realize it wasn't okay with what they call the first person reserves lectures coming over to me just frowning to discipline is not pleased that you know it was a church will grow. So we all know Michael's family so that chastise a little bit. We've learned a lot over the last few minutes you are listening to WS – Winston-Salem WCL degree and spread your PC on Burlington W MFR Highpoint. All of those signals together with sports and try.com and the app make up sports try 920. Now back to the drive with Josh Graham, it's that time of the week where we get the hotcakes and hotcakes only. Let's get crazy calls are welcome at 336-777-1600 Mack Brown North Carolina had the focus will join us next power.

There's a lot to get to in college and in the NFL. So let's waste no time. Let's get crazy rules are simple things only Desmond the callers to take is you will be rewarded with this sound a bit and you know what telling Salk of radio. It just wakes you up and get ready to go live in your split in hot fire like nylon for the past it's been two weeks.

It's been a week seven even tell them for a much longer stretch about six or seven months know what the segment was bad flavoring of old law, disable larger sample size is not that good. I corrected it. I corrected myself market.

Hotcakes only if they're not enough to let you know as always think this takes really hot because it comes out of his head is the one in control of the button and airhorn. That's great. Apparently obvious when he's the one that takes six 777-1600 I'll get a start last night noticed Bill Haider a big hit with Barry which I enjoy a lot thinking.

I love S&L S&L season. Get ready to start pretty soon. Bill Haider is the best S&L character of the century. S&L cast member of the sinfully Bill Haider giving him over. Tina Fey overstepped Myers over Kristin with the best impressions. Yes, my favorite characters Bill Haider, the best S&L cast member of the center wow grow, would you put up against it. Probably Kristin with good I'm I think I'm not here to judge your opinion here Kristen wig. I understand it, but Bill Haider I think Stephan all the impressions that he does count.

Will Ferrell will only be 90 such a mix so it's hard for me to say O'Farrell because he was there, a much shorter time for limiting it to just the century Bill Haider to save O'Farrell's the best of the 21st century doing so. Bill Haider is the best S&L cast member of the century long and hard and people to call the home of the really not for the past 32+ years now how people do not want your Chris McCaffrey credit for what you there's many reasons why we can't all know why, reverse you know whatever Chris McCaffrey is the best running back in the league, hands down.

One person says he's the best one about five know no one else is saying it that the hot beverage but that's not the best for last year.

Anything you said he couldn't get there is probably one of the best one of the best that one of the best is the best there's no one close to him remotely come out of Kamara Melvin Gordon for Quan Barclay, Kristin McCaffrey, you know matter. Aaron, let's get crazy.

Takashi 69 lately for here is to apparently to own his can I do my best impression. Are you ready for this home children. The chain never stop you before you get the chain on people would think that his rap career will be over after him being a very public snitch.

However, after he completes his off days of volatility after he completes his obligations to the court he will release a new album with rights of those old will be received no is just the molecular Bill that God first second I was worried about you. The delivery of all of it. But then Rachel goes on to explain in their yeah that's that's the interesting thing is you're not good at it from our why do I mix this is me expressing my son was so excited thinking I do my my best is hot. Take impression. Are you ready states the best team in the state of North Carolina is making the best team in the state of North Carolina. Speaking of vesting Wake Forest right now they are ranked in the coaches there getting votes in the AP poll. Therefore, no in the face of Boston College this week. I think Wake Forest beats Boston College beat Louisville beat Florida State beat NC statement goes on the road beats Virginia Tech college game day is going to be in Clemson as Wake Forest 90 is facing the Tigers the deep circuit to be ranked in the top 15 November 16 at the digs all for their next five games 90 Wake Forest top 15 rate Wake Forest later this year. The dates have been ranked the top 25 2000 crazy person on the coaches poll 2008. 24. I'm surprised not to get people to numbers Jamie Newman's putting up Dave Clawson three consecutive winning season. It's blatant disrespect and I think they use that as a chip on their shoulder going to Boston College get away Boston College that took care of business. This weekend they lost home on a Friday night we could have a go to Kansas which is in a good sign. I do want to have the discussion, no legitimately who is better to go head-to-head Wake Forest or Appalachian State will do that in about five minutes backgrounder to join us in the show again at 530 will cover all bases that stay North Carolina Wake Forest Galindo Linda Greensboro. Let's get crazy when let's get crazy that you never coming back down to my favorite baseball team is the need to get their faith out of the are you okay go. Sometimes radio can be just a venting foursquare.

People need to let it known how they're feeling, cranking Greensboro. Let's get crazy yet there are not only the character the fall and I got one more forget that no Super Bowl would please God. From Craig to drop your wisdom and knowledge, but the segment I don't much like you do want to try and punctuate it does give it to you.

I was already down by this point.

Unlike no confidence the option you want to take the microphone or give it back. This is a topic.end of 8 miles to go out like… All right, only good thing about people trying to bring on the Christmas season. Early is the fact that they start selling cookies early right yes okay thanks I got this whole thing with the phrase cookie Oreos of the chocolate cookie of all time.

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First, our five when you get FCS going up to Ann Arbor, Michigan 12 years ago. It had me thinking who's the best team in the state of North Carolina. Is it for a no Appalachian State or foreign, no Wake Forest thoughts welcome on twitter at sports on triad 336-777-1600 I think the answer is unmistakable.

I think it's an easy answer, and there's no slight that I'm throwing Appalachian states way whatsoever but Wake Forest is the best team in North Carolina. This is nothing to do really, with State being in this discussion is incredible.

Considering how short their time is been at the FBS level but were stacking up a team that gets its first power five win 12 years versus a team that is power five league that is had three consecutive winning seasons with Billy and Wake Forest. You might say Josh Appalachian State look at the teams they're playing and whether playing I will Wake Forest do it Penn State. How would Wake Forest do at Georgia.

How would Wake Forest do at Tennessee apps that just hasn't had enough opportunity aside for Miami visiting Boone how many power.

Five teams of played in on the mountain doesn't happen that often. However, these two teams played each other just a few years ago I thought Wake Forest won the game. It was close like one. My point Wake Forest was on their home field. I get all that but this is Wake Forest is best team in that state team was coached by Scott Satterfield and I don't care how much you like you I drink with and I happen to like him a lot electrical it's it's way too soon to say this guy Scott Satterfield is a reason sat is the ACC right now it Louisville because of the great stuff. The almost unprecedented level like stuff he did in Boone so they Clawson dear six ACC program three consecutive winning seasons seem to be their best team they've had returning contributors at almost every single position. Of course Wake Forest is better than Appalachian State is absent they should be ranked in the top 25. If they win the next few weeks.

I truly believe that Wake Forest should be there already there in the coaches bullet number 24. It's a sham that the digs are already ranked in the AP top 25. But they will be when they be Boston College this week. When that happened. The digs will be in the top 25. So don't really worry about that too much. I know they Clawson is worried about that will talk to him tomorrow at his press conference. I'll also be on Chris Lee's wake zone for WXII tomorrow. You can find that on WX are eyes Facebook page 645 tomorrow also put that up on our social media. Shortly after that, but Wake Forest is the best team in the state you could chime in at 336-777-1600 or on twitter.

As I mentioned, a lot of you have questions about the Carolina Panthers will get to those in the second we have a polluting upset Desmond Johnson in the control room because Dez it's not an act, he's just not good at delivering really hot takes and we won't quested them up there too hot, but saying Krista McCaffrey's the best running back to the NFL doesn't really qualify really as one and then payment out please close the segment was saying that Oreos of the best cookie of all time and within a given that either ran out of time before Erin was able to look up what the top cookies, or according to general ranking list that you find on the Internet. Where do Oreos rank number 10 is that the best on the computer world with over $3.28 billion worth of cookies sold the segment illegitimately done like the caller did.

This is the worst segment of the show when early on segment we did owe the tables have turned.

Hello, I just like Oreos cookie all I expect is because everything I've said the past like bumper so that the reaction you back no matter what the take is good, bad, hot, cold, lukewarm doing album with the hot take. That's like a look at some kind of crazy weird fantasy thing like a hot takes like you counted that as a hot really is hot.

Even with all that you gave one of the callers a hot take to study what went on talking about really deep dish given away yeah that's fair. Matt makes the Carolina Panthers a playoff team in your opinion, I think there about the 11th best team in the NFC at best around. Cam Newton around Carlisle in you have what I think is pretty hot. Take this might be a hot you have one of the best running backs in the NFL.

Dez believes I don't want to say it's so hot, Krista McCaffrey, the best running back in the NFL alongside probably the best receiving core cam Newton pampers and had under Ron Rivera, DJ Moore Curtis annual and they started looking like the guys we expected in the B yesterday Greg Olson a massive day the old line really held up Darrell Williams rotating a little bit with Greg Lytle at left tackle first time he really saw Greg Lytle playing the role with the Panthers in his rookie year.

Defensively Brian Burns getting after it. Gerald McCoy isn't getting as many snaps as he used to see him it with Tampa Bay. So it's going to take time before we realize the impact of Gerald McCoy being on this roster. Bruce Irvin, that remains to be seen to the corners. Dante Jackson missed some tackles but then it's fair to say he bounced back in a major way. James Bradberry, he's been solid all throughout the year. He's been one of the best corners in the NFL. If you look at pro football focus Bradberry's been great so everywhere you look. Carolina has just talent across the board so I don't know where you're seeing 11th best team in the NFC at worst, the probably seventh 86 is a lot of talent on the it's it's a playoff roster that were seeing here another thing happen. Late last hour while revisiting old stuff. I we were talking about what makes college football unique versus the NFL. There really isn't an equivalent to what we saw Saturday in Kenan Stadium. The mountaineers beating North Carolina that type of environment what it meant to Appalachian State fans the end state battle. You don't really have an equivalent to that in the NFL mountaineers not facing the Tar Heels for 79 years, so it meant so much to Mountaineer fans for them.

The when I came you know when you're going to the office today you're talking trash to Carolina fans. If you're not state that and I gave the example, and Adam Whitten did to going to church and talking a little snack there with your app state to lower your North Carolina Polo or North you want to fans wearing a polo getting smack talk to them – as said that I never seen anybody where team polos to church so this is one of those cultural divides that we you invited me and how would you go to a black church some time church and in trying to prove. I guess that I've been through a black church this happen only soulful clap and I will do what what is immediately recoiled after I saying that you can hear errands react to just isolate me singing in the immediate reaction of Aaron, which is the correct reaction and now this is blowing up on twitter errands reaction after that though how quickly did Aaron realize Bono immediately after I say not done as you can hear it on the air errands reaction to this was the saw how, but then just a devious devious person does it doesn't say anything on the air just goes to twitter and says I love how JavaScript sold as a badge of very time which was not imagined. Church is none other than the theme from the Jefferson elected church when I was on like the Warner Bros. lot the same Aaron that I get it all hits the church and went to Jefferson to show the world. Martin only had a from our deluxe apartment in the sky but no, I deserve to be called out on this. I did lean on me a few weeks ago. So just I need to stop doing this.

What try to be soulful know I'll never stop you and soulful never will not brown is could be on the show in about 30 minutes.

That's something worth celebrating.

I think to get the other side of thing we've been spending a lot of time talking about Appalachian State, and rightfully so, but the North Carolina angle of this you win the first two coming from behind Final Dr., Sam how finding dies Newsom against Miami North Carolina staging the come back down 20 to 9 against South Carolina, then getting two interceptions from Miles Wolf look open things up in Charlotte but these type things catch up with you when you play close games and make it come down to the wire and put yourself in a hole when you start playing good teams that are going to be playing in bowl games, then that doesn't really work out well for you, regardless where the game is played in Winston-Salem that was a good workout down 21 to nothing and against Appalachian State that wasn't going to work out for the Tar Heels don't it's it's it's good to be interesting to see how they fare.

Maybe not against the Tigers but in coastal division black because remember the Wake Forest game is a nonconference game so they all want to know in the coastal division with a win against Miami. If they lose the cleansing this week. They're still very well in contention in the coastal division and who doesn't think that North Carolina can compete with Georgia Tech. What have you seen from Virginia Tech to make you think that the Tar Heels can't beat them, they struggle with Old Dominion this past weekend and was in Blacksburg readily. I was 17 to 7 in the second half, Virginia.

They had issues or Tuesday. I got that backwards Virginia Cavaliers their rank in the top 25.

Their rank ahead of Wake Forest. There seem to be the best second best team in the ACC there to get set for Notre Dame this weekend. 18 versus number 10. They were the ones that struggle with Old Dominion this past weekend, not Virginia Tech. I came was competitive in the fourth quarter before the Cavaliers ultimately pulled away one by 11 Virginia Tech elsewhere in the coastal division. They struggle with Furman won the game by a touchdown 2470 so who exactly in this division. Do you think North Carolina can't hang with at the start of the year you would've said Miami just because of sheer talent, but they party cross that bridge they've already eclipsed that challenge. So when you look at Virginia Tech, edging Furman barely Virginia struggling to get pass Old Dominion Georgia Tech is being flat out that Duke Duke anyone scared of Duke NC State.

I wanted say that formidable still very welcome in the coastal division even though they've lost the last two games and it's your one under background so don't lose sight of the big picture is what I would.

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