The Drive with Josh Graham - David Glenn in Studio

I drive every week to catch up with the early afternoon when most times get him on the phone today just then walking around the studio after the show ended around 3 o'clock so we actually have them in studio now and did you want to get to Wake Forest in the eighth and a bit but I'm interested in how this NCAA FBI college basketball story as long as it's lasted it's getting close to two years now almost were desensitized to it now as a media because I'm looking at the candy store which should be mass of the NCAA enforcement staff Sgt. University would lack of institutional control. The head coach Bill self with head coach responsibility violations. The two biggest charges they can hand down in the notice of allegations a story program arguably one of the two or three most storied programs in the sport and its page 2 news and people are rolling their eyes at it because of how long we've been talking about it. It almost seems like it's reached steroids in baseball allowing guys in the Hall of Fame like levels here where people are sick of hearing about what could happen in one actually start seeing some of these major players pay consequences here.

What you make of it what I think the bottom line is that people want to see the conclusion right and the legal system takes a while for its cylinders to churn and that's just the nature of the beast. In this case the NCAA had to wait for the evidence from the FBI cases. They didn't even get all of that evidence by the way, that frustrates the casual fan right most people either don't care at all about anything besides the football or the basketball or if they care about the secondary stuff they want to see bad people get punished and caught and annual go to NCAA jail in air quotes and I think it's easy to forget that Rick Patino lost his job at Louisville. Some people say all the coaches are never held accountable while Louisville fired Rick Patino so you can't say coaches are never held accountable. Kevin Ollie was booted at UConn because of NCAA issues. Those are two big brand-name programs to national championship coaches who are both shown the door because of their either part in a scandal or their place in charge while bad things happened on their watch, but you know the deal mean Jim Daly Chaim gets a suspension it all at Syracuse so again that's an example of a big-name a big brand getting punished in ways that some don't understand when they say all the big guys never get caught and punished that theory at cocktail parties has been popular for decades. It's just never been true, but for every example of you know, UNC getting off the hook because of their Afghan scandal. Without it, without any punishment whatsoever from the NCAA that grates some people the wrong way they're going to be in a wait-and-see mode about Bill self at Kansas there to be a wait-and-see mode about whether lack of institutional control really leads to penalties that hamper the Kansas program.

I just remind people that there are more examples than you think of big-name coaches, big-name basketball or football programs getting punished. Then there are the ones you remember where the big guy got off the hook and all you can are just patients when it comes to the NC state case. The Kansas case or another. Maybe half a dozen that are to be coming down the pike soon and we gotta take it case by case, talking about UConn yeah Kevin Ollie. He had the NCAA run-ins with played a role in him being fired, but also UConn wasn't any good Louisville I find to be interesting because it might've been a cumulative deal with the 2014 banner going down the prostitution stuff and just general unrest in the athletic department, whether that stem from the very top with durance or Bobby Patrina will also be in there as well. I think all that stuff is relevant in the case of Kansas.for limiting the scope here to this case.

I haven't seen any evidence that's been discussed in court testimony we see what to do against Nola has said Kansas coaches do, but without actual any tangible evidence here. We haven't heard anything leaked to the media about what they might have with Kansas. I have difficult believing Kansas won't fight for their coach Hall of Famer Bill self. Here and I have difficult believing he's going to get punished severely without anything substantial that they could say all this for sure happened here while you're right that the school's gonna fight it.

You're right that Bill self is already on the record saying that he is going to fight in in the general sense the remember that Bill self is not even being accused of, say, the way Orlando early at NC State is being accused of actively participating in the paying of the family death prospect right Bill self is being charged more in that general sense member Jim Daly Chaim was not accused of being perked a participant in that academic fraud at Syracuse, but he still had to serve that suspension. And that's a relatively recent rules changed by the NCAA.

So you're circling something that is accurate about the lack of details the lack of evidence even in the FBI cases about exactly what Bill self did or didn't do.

Just remember he doesn't have to personally get hand caught with his hand of the cookie jar to actually end up having to serve a sentence and in the case of Kevin Ollie, for example, if you live to the NCAA in your caught. You know that guy has a three year show cause penalty which not quite bars him but makes it very difficult for somebody to employ him for a three year period that severe penalty. So Bill self. Better be careful about his answers because you could be guilty of only a little bit and sometimes fall into the cover-up is worse than the crime territory and yes indeed, there are examples of coaches losing entire years from their career if they lied to the NCAA and they get caught doing okay. Let's spell out timeline a little bit here David Glenn's in studio with us early afternoon house on twitter at David Glenn shall he's gonna be in boom with the big tailgate tour woman up after Appalachian steak at the big win over North Carolina but you have the first notice of allegations being handed to NC state you mentioned Orlando early Mark Godfrey. That was a few months ago before that Stan Wilcox from the NCAA said publicly that they're going to be at least six major programs working to get some of these notices of allegations.

Kansas is the second one here.

I'm interested to know you we we saw that Bill self is fighting this in Kansas is going to Louisville had no interest in it for the cumulative effect. I believe that I just described a little bit ago. Are there other coaches you feel like their universities have on short leashes the same way Rick Patino was clearly on the short leash with Louisville. I'm mainly thinking about will wait no set out for a while at LSU before being reinstated and also Sean Miller who I believe if he's caught of actually committing some of these crimes is been accused of here crimes in the NCAA rules sense he might actually have the pay out to Arizona. According to an agreement. He came to with the Board of Regents. Those two I look at do you think they are the ones of the most hot water here. There's no doubt about it and mean beyond Neil Louisville's dealt with that situation. State is still dealing with this will waited LSU and Sean Miller in Arizona.

They've had some damning evidence come out against them. And yes there on the short leash. And yes there under scrutiny. I would add an anti-Enfield of southern cow ought to that list on Bruce Pearl's name has come up on and he's a guys already had NCAA discretion indiscretions in the past so those are the names that come to my mind as well, including the two that you mentioned in terms of the timetable.

Remember were to be all the way through this current upcoming bot college basketball season, before we have any verdicts on the stuff because skill Kansas has 90 days to respond to the notice of allegations that it just received and then after that the NCAA has 60 more days to respond to that and then there's another 45 days to schedule a hearing in front of the committee on infractions you're already in the spring. If there are no unexpected delays so the players involved. From Dennis Smith Junior of the Wolfpack. Obviously he moved on long ago. The two Kansas players involved in their families.

Taking money have either moved on or settled their case with the NCAA to the upcoming college basketball season is not really going to be impacted by those Kansas and NC state cases and that's something that I know frustrates a lot of fans but will get verdicts probably later in 2020, and that means those schools will be left dealing with whatever repercussions they get along after the key players have moved on and, at least in some cases you know Mark Godfrey in Orlando early long ago moved on from Wolfpack basketball and that's another thing that frustrates fans.

Why does the white of the folks still there get punished. Sometimes innocent players and coaches know Kevin Keats didn't do anything wrong and NC State. Why do they get to hold the bag when others did all the wrongdoing well nobody's come up with a better system than the NCAA and the bottom line is that organization feels like it must hold the school accountable in some way and it can do to use the show cause and other penalties for those coaches involved.

If you have any ACC or questions about the college basketball investigation from the FBI to questions regarding these things for myself or DG 336-777-1600 number. You can tweak the show at sports of dry last thing I really have on this. The approach the template from the NCAA. It seems to be set and focus specifically on the coaches. It was on Gottfried. It was with early on in the first notice of allegations, and it seems to be the case here with Bill self being primarily mentioned with one of the charges here. Do you think this is the NCAA saying this is our best shot. Considering the investigative legwork that we so often mess up in some way shape or form. We bought just the investigative part that being done mostly by the FBI and us getting a B, not all of the evidence, but a lot of it to help strengthen our case year. This might be the best shot at the NCAA has two hand down punishment and actually hold some big names in the sport accountable.

Do you think that is the approach here to potentially serve. This is a deterrent moving forward and try to clean up the sport. I'm not sure one because the other Josh, but I think the bottom line is the same. The NCAA got tired of hearing about what head coaches did not know about and where is this FBI case has provided them with way more evidence, I mean those FBI wiretaps and all the other evidence was handed over from those criminal cases that's infinitely more evidence than what the NCAA is usually dealing with because of the limits of their own on enforcement staff and the lack of subpoena power and the lack of the power of the criminal justice system so they know they have an opportunity here, but I think they also philosophically decided years ago. Totally separate from the FBI cases they were tired of seeing coaches say I just didn't know him sorry it happened on my watch, but I wasn't involved and you can prove that I was involved in. Then the coach just automatically getting off the hook. They they made a very important change and it does not assume guilt does not turn it entirely upside down what they did is say we're going to assume that you have responsibility here unless you can prove otherwise. So there's a presumption that even if we don't have evidence showing you participate in the wrongdoing.

There's a perception that you should've done a better job and if you can show us how seriously you took compliance.

If you can show us by your compliance weekly meetings with your staff and shows texts and emails how you are browbeating your assistance never to cross this or that line and you can show us that we shouldn't assume that you just were looking the other way, or you had your ostrich head in the sand.

You can if you can show us if you can rebut the presumption to steal the legal term will then were not get a hold you accountable what that change doesn't sound like a lot, but it cracked open the door for a guy like Jim Daly Heim and many others to be held accountable.

Even when their fingerprints are not personally on the wrongdoing and that of course is a reflection that the NCAA wanted to make it a priority to go right to the top and say you better govern better you better pay more attention because under the new rules I didn't know how bad things were on the other side of my building is no longer an excuse that will get you off the hook entirely at the early afternoon host David Glenn on Twitter at data going show hanging out with us in studio. We had background on the show yesterday ahead of his team's matchup with Clemson data Sweeney's can it be with us in two days.

So one Thursday will catch up with the Clemson head coach Mack, he's coached his fair share of great quarterbacks.

Trevor Lawrence is seen to be one of the best in the sport.

I asked Mack if he reminded him of anybody. Lawrence reminded him of anybody, and here's what Maxa probably been shown they can run like a deer is very accurate priority when 31 828 or 30 straight or something in start looking at Trevor he never looted. I don't then go back to middle school grades go with Adobe never lost a game so believable, pretty high praise and appropriate. What's interesting is the Trevor Lawrence's numbers are not great to see another not mean Jamie Newman's numbers at Wake Forest are way better. Bryce Perkins numbers is a dual threat at UVA are better in some category Sam how the freshman at UNC has better numbers than Trevor Lawrence.

It was interesting, they barely asked Trevor Lawrence to do anything against the Charlotte 49ers and through what was it three weeks. He had four interceptions and four touchdown passes a mean, that's not a Heisman candidate that's that's barely a guy that's all ACC Candida not here. The number in the numbers yet. I have another funny Trevor Lawrence.

He has seven touchdown passes the five interceptions 925 yards passing. Meanwhile Jamie Newman to your point 1278 yards leads the ACC 12 touchdown passes leads the ACC's completion percentage leads the ACC all those categories. Top 10 in the country to only till interceptions DG I think this local sports block your show noon to three in this one here. We need the champion Jamie Newman Heisman campaign.

We need to get it started. It's much like a third-party presidential candidate. He's not the way in no this season for Wake Forest isn't necessarily about winning the title or winning the Heisman campaign here.

It's a plow gaming rightful rightfully earned respect and people need to know Jamie Newman up is putting up those types of numbers are you with me with the Heisman campaign avoid demand and the good news is like some of those third-party candidates were, you know, they opened offices in 40 or more states just to get the grassroots campaign gone, you and I beyond our own shows. Obviously our guests on other shows. No, I don't know if we get into 40+ states as guests on other studios. But God that'll help the Jamie Newman campaign and in all seriousness, you know Clemson hasn't asked Trevor Lawrence to be the Trevor Lawrence of the year ago right. He has thrown some interceptions they didn't have huge numbers help in beating Texas A&M 24 to 10 G Jamie's going to get all ACC recognition and deservedly as long as he keeps this thing going. But Trevor Lawrence is some point is good. Asked to do be asked to do more, you know Florida State later. Maybe this weekend against Carolina. NC State later this year. Week later this year. South Carolina later this year and that guy does have Vince Young qualities and even though some of his numbers are more pedestrian. Right now there is no doubt about his ability and remember when Dabo made that switch from Kelly Bryant to to Trevor last year he got some criticism and I think those in the know said it's not a close call. Watch how Trevor makes these guys go.

And sure enough he was a key player in the first 15 and no season in the history of college football that Trevor Lawrence is going to show himself again soon.

You mentioned that you go on other shows tonight I'm going to be on W, X, I day with Chris Lee on the wake zone they call it and I'm to be pushing the Jamie Newman Heisman campaign. There you go with that. At 645. That's it that's brought on the night. That's a captive audience that are obscure to Boston College is the opponent on Saturday. Very quickly this seems like the be the biggest tossup on the schedule to road teams won the last five games of the series. These are two programs that seem like are in identical places. Wake Forest extorted for no two of the last three seasons. Therefore, no again and if weight wins this game DG I believe they start a denial. Do you a man who wrote in the pages of the ACC sports Journal three months ago that Wake Forest was going to be the surprise football team in the ACC ethic us both in others. A lot of Johnny-come-lately's on this particular bandwagon. Heck, if it might've been June when we wrote those words so none of this comes as a surprise to me.

Dave Clawson has a lot of experience on that squad.

He's an incredible coach.

He has two quarterbacks that he loves and we knew both of them from last year.

He has two running backs that he loves now and they're both healthy. He has two wide receivers were played big time and say Stratton, Scotty Washington, among others. He has guys coming along two coolers. He likes playing and kicking combination to me this.

There's nothing fluke us about this. They do have to worry about Ajay Dillon, the Boston College running back. He's the real deal if you can figure out a way to limit him and forced BC to try to throw it on you you I think wakes the better team this year there on the road they have to deal with Ajay, but if they can do that. I mean they're going to be the favorite for every game except at Clemson the rest of the way doesn't mean the going to go 11 and one what it means they're poised to at least have a chance at their best season since 2006 and some of those journalistic gurus, young and old Saul this freight train coming. A few months ago, DG, thanks for coming in today appreciate that.

We'll talk next week. Always good to be in studio man fun conversation. Take care on twitter at David Glenn showed your live with Josh Graham 920. The conflict at Bank of America Stadium in the Carolina Panthers announced this morning it was a major announcement. They build it. Bank of America Stadium is in the concert business really for the first time even though I know Tim McGraw how to show their also they had another country concert just a few years ago there that comes to mind. It was Kenny Chesney for the Bank of America Stadium as well but this is really the first on the going all in on this and how do you open up a new era for Bank of America Stadium entertainment Billy Joel being the concert April 18, 2020. That's when it's going to happen there again for Pro football talk.com is a Charlotte, TN who is spending a little bit of time with us. We talk music even when it's not in the news regarding the Carolina Panthers and the city of Charlotte but my the only one that was a little bit underwhelmed with the idea of it being a major announcement and here's Billy Joel coming to think of America Stadium in April.

Why are you not five-year-old white man.

I am not but I sold Billy Joel last year in Winston-Salem and that Stadium is an hour and 15 minutes from back of America Stadium and I don't think they sold out and that Stadium holds 44,000 fewer people then Bank of America same.

I am not really all that into Billy Joel. I will probably not be paying my hard-earned Bank of America Stadium. But listen Charlotte area is full of old money, omitting the kind of piano baby boomers who really did all Billy Joel and want to go to Concord and put on good shows him that they did not doubt it is not my company. I'm a lot more interested in those dog ticket that are going on sale Friday morning Fillmore and assumes what is led you to react being wound that that's a big dip for Bank of America state pretty shortly to be on. If you think about it in the music business that changed that much in the last couple years are green show fill out a 70,000 feet, which would probably be about 58,000 concert short you're talking all in all and you're talking group. Bring your talking beyond that your dog and will I mean you short-lived big act like that and I don't Billy Joel to be able to fill that room out but I don't do pretty well, but until I think where the important for David Hepburn conflict and everybody involved in that product that is he he had said all along that all along. If they want to put more event in that building.

They want to get another deal part of their lead ER are part of the deal with previous money was so many preevent here basically and they will in their not going to make it easier to have them or more money for the future.

Like in MLS renovation. There are a couple of competing report here locally to the agent and found one landing MLS and the other is it for renovation. Bank of America or MLM, but none of it is that they are asking for between hundred and $200 million for renovation or MLM. You know they can put in there with a root beyond their you know what happened, the easier it money you think you're going to get that money for MLS love nothing better than having it belly run by billionaire and given away.

Whatever that guy one night. We want real big league. We had marketing campaign for years that we were world-class show security that we're not quite in the big city club. So whatever anything a billionaire out there again for Pro football talk.com on twitter at Darren Dan. The news of the day. Cam Newton according to Joe person of the athletic. His left foot issue is believed now to be a loose Frank injury rather than just a sprain and not to pretend to know much about Alyssa Frank injury. This is not a web MD radio show. But I do know cam didn't run much the first two games. Darren and I this is somebody went when we sold preseason game number three against the patriots we Saul cam's reaction and we knew it was bad something bad had happened, but all we were being told by coaches and PR staff. Everything is great or at least cam Newton is healthy and there's no coincidence that in him, not running the ball. I don't feel like our eyes deceived us with can do you believe the coaches tried to deceive us, specifically Ron Rivera well at lower talk about five-year-old white guy that can make it dated pop culture reference.

When you go back and look at it Frank Rainey is a mid air question degree obviously ended okay but the reality is from the moment that New England game and then they know what the big deal has always been a competing personality thing. Cam wants to be on the field. Ron Rivera want to be on the field rewind shoulder first became an issue and look equally at been cleared from a concussion, but Ron Rivera wouldn't put him on the field.

We put on the field.

The last remaining.

I think both of them have a little bit of fault. I don't know that Robert Ron Rivera is necessarily being deceitful. I mean, I think it was pointless but little hissy fit. Last week I have been bitten on the left pointless to mean many things do not get out.

Hard, they knew after the block again the cam will be out for a significant amount of time and I don't mean 1/4 or a week or game or anything like that. I mean multiple week they knew that injury then was something that was serious nothing and are going to be on the field. I don't know if he was just trying to play games with clicking burial. What by Yahweh.

Again it goes back about saying it doesn't have to be that hard in football coaches will make things more complicated than they have to be.

What's the bigger priority this year, making the postseason were figuring out who cam is why I think that's almost a moot domain figuring out who cam is moving something you're going to be able to do until Camden well and cam Newton is nowhere near well right now he's not. I seriously I was told by somebody who I trust in that building that it was going to be the second half of the season if at all, or can we get back out there so I think the idea of planning out what you know what you got in and you got an MVP level quarterback in and cam Newton when he helped me so and I don't have to go back that far yet people keep talking about the shoulder, but the first half of last year before the children completely medical term incoming Jack.

He was really good and percent completion percentage guy of those first six seven-game before he got whacked in Pittsburgh and everything started right.

So it's not been that long ago when we know what kind of quarterback he is their priority this year just that do the best you can with what you got maybe Kyle Allen can hang on and keep them competitive for point in November when cam can get back out there, but I wonder about what cam is he is not able to run the way cam Newton had been accustomed to running how effective you can make that Randall Cunningham conversion in the second half of his career probably but I don't think you know a 30-year-old cam Newton is the same as 42-year-old Tom Brady or anything he can still he can still move when his body is put together in the correct order percentage chance do you do the Carolina Panthers of not giving cam Newton an extension after this he all I think it's pretty high. I think because of this injury. It almost makes you go year to year.

They've got them under contract for 2020 and it would be insanity.

Frankly, offering an extension tied unclean before he goes out and an employee thinking games improve that of medically reconstructed cam Newton is the same as the old one that I think that would be not offer like a contract extension before the 2020 season but if he had been well this year could no-brainer. You gotta do it next off-season. You gotta pay them 30 got $36 million year that the going rate and now they're almost off the hook and they get a chance to weigh the meanings under contract for 2020. They can always franchise bag and after that if they need to buy themselves more time to make a long-term decision but I mean right now.

Again, I understand the temptation after conversation with a moot point because he so physically, mentally and spiritually broken right now I'm guilty himself. Well, I don't even worry about what he called one the last concert Darren attended was what Peter Frampton the other week was the last thing I've got all elected and I'm getting a lot of Friday morning to get tickets to see snoop a great Fillmore that will be a thing that I need to see my life brothers Greensboro New Year's Eve. Maybe one the circle enfolds next month.

Maybe Billy Joel in April and it violently unfair still opening for me enfolds at that point I felt it together here in Charlotte the other month. I definitely recommend showing up early to him. They bring all their equipment on the ball all right. It's good to hear your voice down. I feel like that's doing Principal talk.com on Twitter at what North Carolina fans be willing to sacrifice in exchange for a win against number one Clemson Saturday that's next on the draft. This is a sport 609 20 now back to the drive with Josh Graham in the trying to billow the WR yelled, local radio over there.

He posed this question, North Carolina to sacrifice the loss of cleansing and basketball which would in the street. Clemson versus the Tar Heels in exchange for feeding Clemson this Saturday. Kenan Stadium in Chapel Hill Tigers number one in the country, Tar Heels and basketball have this long run. I don't know if the Tigers play the Tar Heels twice in the season, but let's even call it that you lose twice the cleanse in a season in exchange for one way and in football. Does your the resident Tar Heel basketball fan you pretends to be a Tar Heel football fan. What you say here is the pretending here and absolutely are not Tar Heel football on a Tar Heel fan the volleyball team can't name him in the volleyball coach of the golf team as a matter of them. So you have to be able to name every single member of the roster to be a family, but you have to follow the I watched them on really cheer them on. I don't talk bad about them. I cheer them on.

I wish what's best for them to cheer on the golf team will not hear me. I know you don't cheer on the golf team to answer your question & the three football players. I will absolutely not not not the claims of US twice or beat us at home just the street right now that they have not one in Chapel Hill since like the Civil War something like that so no, I would absolutely not trade that for a Clemson win on Saturday. What would you sacrifice in exchange for a North Carolina whenever Clemson Saturday like would you give up a certain kind of food you like for a year, year. This would be the biggest win in North Carolina football history. If you get I would do that a certain kind of food you give up ribs for year.

If you want to be Clemson after you give up ribs for you, but you want to give up at a loss to Clemson and basketball season.

Why, because although I do root for all that Carolyn is University.

The baffle team is the bread-and-butter real that's my number basketball fan football thing know what to keep improvements what you put in words my mouth just because I root for one of their teams more so than the others, does not mean I dislike the other team. I think discordant or do not care for.

You don't care, that's what I'm saying.

I actually root for the entire University what Watson whenever in the. The College World Series whenever women soccer players in the College World Series me, but you're not watching them play a series against ricin March not everybody does that. Anyway, you're the only person I really, basically fans do hold all the five of them that are just dedicated target is now known that there are much more than five that's the point I'm making is much more than five Tar Heel football fans. They sold out games so the last handful of games there are real Tar Heel football. You're not one of them so you asked me a question about Carolina football because you claim a Carolina fan and immediately before right before I can send you. I said to Carol and basketball fan I didn't say retarded. So you paint me as a noncriminal football fan and asked me to Carolina football questions is one of make sure that without their dislike sure I was clear but again yeah I wouldn't give up Clemson victory and basketball at home with the Dean Dome for something like a win over number one Clemson or something like that storm in the field. The best when maybe a North Carolina football history.

67771 656 777-1600 would you sacrifice a loss and basketball to Clemson in exchange for a win in football against the Tigers on Saturday like I'm not a fan, so I don't know but I thought this would be a layup yes are you kidding me a regular-season loss in basketball.

In exchange for the biggest football in ever this.

I don't care about the streets of course I take that when I thought this would be. That's why I said to Dave because I thought the idea of just what was it about. But maybe I'm wrong because again you are the fan. I am not I'm trying to figure out the answer to the question so if that's not a degree or if that degree is too far. What is it that might be a couple of wrongs down on this with Chris, or did we lose Chris lost Chris in Kernersville, for I even had a chance to go out there so that's an interesting storyline to Saturday we had background on the show yesterday talking about the Tigers and he's about as complementary as you could possibly be about cleanse it all.

Trevor Lawrence reminds me of the best quarterback in college football. Vince Young background talking about Dabo Sweeney. He's the best coach in America and they has the best assistant assistant coaches in America now nothing background doesn't believe these things. I believe Clemson to have the best coach maybe one of the best staffs of the country. Certainly the most utmost talent. You're going to find but he is it a step at a line and say the wrong thing Max to polished for that Dabo Sweeney will be a guest on the show on Thursday at about this time, let's go to Chris in Kernersville. I think our lines good, Chris, what sacrifice would you make is Clemson and basketball would you sacrifice that game if it meant beating the Tigers in football Saturday. I would or the other way around to face a win and basketball for football every day, every day, you would've wanted it really you're talking about the inverse of that seat we were presenting it on the North Carolina front in her for fan of you would not give up a football loss if it meant beating North Carolina and basketball on away, what would you give up so much.

Yeah, I don't think there's any question.

If you're Clemson and in football.

Unlike basketball games mean so much more football than they do in hopes a singular regular-season day you want to lose the Clemson the same way. Do lose can the regular-season Virginia Tech it still get the number one overall seed in the NCAA tournament. If Clemson loses to North Carolina they might not make the college football playoff so I quickly get that on the Clemson Chris literally just laid out the reason why UNC basketball fan would not give up basketball wins the Clemson dislike the Clemson fan was probably written for the football team when the basketball is not reason because you enjoy football more and basketball and the fact that football is a bigger supporter Clemson and basketball is basketball is a bigger support her one of the football is so its natural form of Carolina fan to say no I wouldn't give up. What is the hundred plus year streak that's going on is that tell you though about the state of North Carolina football. We hear all these things about Matt Brown. Hey, he's bringing it back. People care about football. Hey, we can make it in football. But when the fans aren't even willing as much to sacrifice a bat, a non-consequential really basketball win in exchange for what would be the biggest football when bar what is that tell you little bit of equity has been built up yet.

You can't just expect that feeling to be plopped down into a state like that has to be built like Clemson wasn't like this six years ago and they may have been the fans may been a rabbit but they they were his Internet or nationally known as they are now. They work successful as they are now followed and a lot easier if the answer that question 10 years ago when Clemson was, not as dominant as they are today. It's probably extremely hard for Clemson vented to give up Clemson wind anybody. It's a it's an interesting conversation. Things like these things only come up when we have nothing else to talk about what's funny is we actually do a lot of other things to talk about the drive brought to you in part by our friends at Twin Peaks Restaurant Haynesville Blvd. in Winston-Salem. You could find the it is your local sports large perfect place to watch games to watch Thursday night football which can also listen here to on sports on dry. It's a great game this week. It is the Eagles. It is the Packers exciting stuff and were getting these great Thursday night matchups now Twin Peaks Hanes Mall Blvd. in Winston-Salem will have the game on Riverplace to just watch games here in the driest place I do when I get a free minute and hopefully I'll see you there sometime soon. Twin Peaks eats drinks scenic views this is not got a couple more of these calls before we get to big for Jonathan in Asheboro is up next.

Jonathan would you sacrifice a what a regular-season when basketball versus Clemson if it meant Tar Heel football beating Dabo Sweeney in the Tigers on Saturday here. I would not Carolina had more of a shot to make it I would do it all day every day. Well Jonathan if North Carolina beats Clemson on Saturday, they would be to Lenovo and ACC play with the wind already against Miami if they beat Clemson what to say in a freak situation.

They beat the Tigers on Saturday they would be the front runner to go to the ACC championship. The only problem is this deal expires after one game you have to run into that same Clemson team again on in Charlotte.

More than likely go along.

I got to thinking, John get the one more time in Burlington.

Same scenario North Carolina basketball when lost to Clemson would you sacrifice a loss and basketball if it meant beating the Tigers in football. The number one team in the country on Saturday and let me band on the dog will football like they will football football game that involved. But if we would be football. Think how it would propel Opera program for recruiting. It would change the way which is bound to happen eventually. By the way, it will affect our program to be in all that would be all storm in the field. Things can. It would be the biggest regular-season when the ever done and it would validate a lot and recruits would notice that because here's the list of ACC teams last year's that it beating Dabo Sweeney in the Tigers partner dues.

He did it hit Dino pavers did a few years ago at Syracuse and that's it. That's the list of active head coaches in the ACC that have beaten the Clemson Tigers. That's the less you are listening to W STS with detailed WCI degrees by the PPC umbrella to WMF or Highpoint. The signals they cannot sports a try live with Josh Graham for 620. This interview was powered, known from Empire and many other places. It's clear that my first parent powered from hustle and flow for anything else, but he gave an interview with the enemies that is getting a lot of attention. It was a local LA TV station and he's being interviewed by this man and this woman who don't seem like they're trying to get anything viral out of Terrence Howard, just general stuff that they're asking and they even say after the factoring. The report I really hope this doesn't go viral, but there's no doubt it was going to when you hear what Terrence Howard had to say this.

Give me a small sampling of this interview. 37 years. Pretending that people can pretend to watch and enjoy what I'm doing when discoveries amount person alive with the science that is searching for. I was able to mollify properly and find the wave conjugation that even looking for for 10,000 years would I continue walking on water when I got an entire generation remark oh yes it is curious and wave conjugation that we been searching for for 10,000 years. I think that was in response to a question hey why is this the last season of Empire and he's going off.

Why would I be walking on water, looking for tips when I could be searching for these wave conjugations we been searching for for 10,000 years. I feel like we need to hear the full context of this before we can appropriately react to it. What else do we have from one Terrence Howard.

What do you intend to display all universes expressed in motion. Motion is expressing way always occurs awareness of straight lines come from to make sonic silence. There are no straight line.

So when I took the flower of life properly. All new wave conjugation expose, got it platonic solids there's wave conjugations again flower of life. Okay I I want to be completely fair, Terrence Howard, here there are three possible things I can attribute why he's saying things this way only three explanations that should set for number one Terrence Howard's just trying to sound smart. This is the thing that we do at times I think Kanye West is a victim of this where he's talking about things. Thinking that he has answers to these questions even though he is someone who cut his teeth and hip-hop not academia. Not science, and these things it's this culture where we can watch five or six YouTube videos and think hey I have an opinion on this.

Now I'm an expert on this, I could start talking about in a TV and a root interview Battaglia's and wave conjugation that might be a possible explanation.

Maybe this is him not wanting to answer the question for why he's leaving Empire doesn't want to answer that question and also the way he bypasses it is just saying a bunch of bleep. It doesn't make sense and number three trucks is the only three possible explanation for this. Fourth, the fourth.

I think he was imitating Oswalt Bates.

Remember him. Did you ever watch the show in living color now okay so I know it is okay though the political base. We had like eight wagons siblings in the casting carry goods while people got her start and Damon went out a character in the so-called Oswalt Bates. There was a prisoner but use big words like and what he was saying and it, live it like this last of the matter. Proximity to segregate the crops think that he's just messing with fixed microphone.

The red carpet walking Mike out of the red carpet, he was on Letterman and gave an awful interview that being a bit for a movie and Letterman was in on it and Letterman got pretty mad about it and then Joaquin Phoenix came back and explained himself coming from everything I seen Terrence Howard in the past couple of years, like interviews or what not become always been a Macomb spacey but you're out there with ideas and theories. Or whatnot, we know the person is trying to be too smart. We've seen that person before, though I'm good to go watch a bunch of videos real quick about space now on Neil Degrasse Tyson give my opinion about it here not to go to school for this but hey, I read enough books and I feel like I feel like Goodwill hunting has done a disservice to society where people believe that you can be this incredible genius without having to do any of the actual book work in order to get there, but the blame social media and Google more than that seen that scene that's pre-Internet where very saying oh yeah you think it's a smart think is so smart what you asked just regurgitating from your class to have a you have an original thought really bad. Ask about you to have an original thought. Just realize you tie education you get the price of a library that you know the funny thing about it. The listen back to credit.

Next, watch the enemies didn't sound like he was being condescending you do sound like he was trying to answer questions on early surplus intentionally doing. I welcome the fourth option either is trying to be too smart.

This trying a little too hard to be smart. He is trying to dodge the question is on drugs or he's just messing with us all its one of the four cam Newton is not to play Sunday against the Houston Texans. People are overreacting. I think to this report from Joe person today that it is believed to be a Liz Frank injury for Camden's foot.

There are people today, myself included, who just learned what a Liz Frank injury is watched sports covered sports, most of my life now. I have I've heard of a Liz Frank injury I don't retain that kind of information to the wedding. D showed is a lot of Twitter doctors were acting like they know these things when we had Darren get on the show and he said was a Liz Frank injury actually means that put spray which is exactly what we knew. Cam Newton had now it's varying degrees. It could be a lot worse. These injuries usually require surgery.

I texted Dr. David Dyer sports orthopedist about this PC sent me a picture of a footman baby like a detailed graphic here saying that it's an injury to the ligament or ligaments that stabilize the midfoot the bones and the midfoot remained aligned perfectly and applicant avoid surgery any displacement at all and we tend to fix them surgically. He said, is this what they're saying about cam I said yes. He says not good. Hope plastic type of analysis you can expect this to lead texting a doctor and him saying not good. I think this is a situation where our eyes did not deceive us with so often in the media. In fact, I think the president of the United States actually said it one time. Don't listen to what is being said or what you are seeing.

Don't believe it.

Don't listen to it and to what degree this is what we're being told cam Newton the paint so we were all watching preseason game number three.

He goes down to gets the doing the patriot. It looks bad. So much so that I'm getting tweets getting phone calls people saying the panther season is over before it ever started. That is what it looked like.

However, Carolina Panthers publicly sent Camden's can play game on in the find of it, that's fine. And when they didn't run the ball to him when he did get in the design.

Québec runs they said no and I had nothing to do with the foot.

It's all about game planning what the defense was given us. It was all fine.

Camden's of the press conference he smiling cracking jokes when cam Newton doesn't get the ball to go light against Tampa Bay and nothing to do with the foot in the play call their and then we get the reactivation report from Adams after he missed the game against the Cardinals and now it's Liz Frank injury and people are talking more long-term about cam Newton how much time he's going to my beef with it. Is this Ron Rivera in the Carolina Panthers. They misled us here. They tried to tell us what we were seeing was it so that we weren't seeing what was blatantly obvious and that is quite simply something bad happened to Camden's foot that preseason game against New England, calling Ron Rivera alive when I'm doing here say that as a coach.

There are times where you have to mislead opposition their signs we have to mislead the public, you might say what's the difference like the conversation you have with your wife, honey, I didn't lie to you. I just didn't tell you about this. Some of you that still as line but that's part of the job here as a coach as a general manager, something bad happened to cam Newton's foot. Our eyes saw limping to the side by he's grimacing in pain.

He knows his body better than any trainer any media member.

Any coach and you could see, he's not. He's upset. It reminds me of what happened to Kevin Durant when Katie went down.

We all thought it was serious because of the way KD reacted and granted, he came back he played in the finals, but how long did it and it was clear that probably wasn't the best decision right here. Similarly, I think Camden consented to play the first two games he didn't run the ball at all. There's no explanation for that he wasn't on the injury report.

Week one didn't run it so to cover the backs of the coaches who probably should've the plate in the preseason that all and also to back the fact he wasn't on an injury report they have to say. Cam Newton was right until the Tampa Bay. It might've gotten worse during the Tampa game.

You can't tell me cam Newton was held to game one hour eyes did not deceive us when it comes to Be still in his prime, so it just bothered me when we were being forced that oh Randall Cunningham, second leg of his career.

That's our cam is now cam is still just 30 years old he supposed to be able to run about as well as he has done his entire career as the greatest red zone threat in the history of the sport. I wasn't lying that, but that's what we were being fed. We thought it was bad from the jump. It turned out to be that he should've the played games one and two. Among some of the stories that are being talked about today that I don't figure getting enough attention. The FBI and the NCAA are snooping around Kansas and a notice of allegations has been sent to one of the most storied programs in all of college basketball and it doesn't seem like anybody is making this a huge story. It was a second page story.

When I look this up.

Were talking about the biggest penalties the biggest crimes." But the NCAA can levy and accuse the school in a program for having committed lack of institutional control and a level one infraction for Bill self. The going after self we still have the evidence that proves Bill self knew about whatever wrongdoing happened what has accused or setting court testimony people. Sr. coaches and self. I don't think there is a wiretap that the FBI has but then again if they have something we don't know of yet with that surprise anybody. I don't think so. The rumors that there's one for Sean Miller is well but what is staggering to me is how checked out. Most people are about the story that seems to be so big and I wonder if that's one us, already knowing being in a college basketball area. The heart of college basketball us already. Understanding this is just the way business operates in that sport or number two if this just dragged on too long without serious punishment being handed down along the way that were just too familiar with it that were desensitized to it that okay here's another FBI NCAA headliner wake me up when self attended a penalty. Do you think it's feasible that the NCAA put this out there at this time of the calendar now because they knew would be a page 2 story minutes Kansas of all school through blueblood middle college football season NFL's dominating headlines right now. Why would they do that because maybe they don't want to punish Kansas.

Maybe they don't want to have. I think they would want to punish Kansas if you want to send a message with this you don't want to strike Really can't figure out minutes without well I don't think the time of your matters. Remember, it was almost exactly this time that it all started two years ago was early October. Rightist teams are starting And Rick Pitino's fire so the time a year. I don't think is really relevant to this, I went read into that and that way I think the NCAA is going to have to get some of these major programs. If they're going to come out of this not looking like a laughingstock. You are listening to W STS Winston-Salem WCL to Greensboro WPC in Burlington W MFR Highpoint the signals making up sports try