The Drive with Josh Graham - Is Josh a Tar Heels Fan?

This is dry when Josh drive you through this support is always right to do something I usually make for another sport you do call out a fan base trying to talk myself out of this all day but I was just who one noise by Tar Heel fans this weekend that I just got to say something it is not time to start worrying about basketball season okay I heard that at least a dozen times at Kenan Stadium on Saturday. More people that seem interested to talk about what happened late night at Roy the night before been talking about the fact that you're facing the number one football team in the country, and nearly beat them and then after the game ends lotto hoity-toity North Carolina fans out there who are saying, well maybe one of these times we compete number one team in the country.

Well, since we didn't answer will just move on forward. And maybe I'll care about this football team. When we start beating Alabama or Clemson or the top teams that exist anybody who shares that sentiment. This you're probably not going to like the next five minutes of what I want to say here Tar Heel fans. They flat out disappointed me. I feel like the dad telling the kid that I'm not mad I'm just disappointed. First off didn't show up the way they even didn't say game 80% of one side of the stand was born on survey article and submit travel very well but I go to StubHub and look to get tickets the day before the game and I see okay Appalachian State game.

They floated around $95 to about 112 is like the cheapest ticket you can find this game. It was between $55-$70.

The cheapest ticket number one team in the country. Part of that I get okay.

It's a 28 point spread here. Everybody thought the parties were going to get murdered so territorially that you might not want to be at that game. Will the Tar Heels are getting trapped, but the part that bothers me is when fans check out and say the wind that they been throwing out they were toting for years now all well I guess were on the basketball season in the month of September. In past years you've had excuses to do that. The last two years. Perfect example. Okay the teams bad.

We know their bad not to go to a bowl game. So yeah, let's focus on what Roy and the boys have, but here asked for a better five game schedule to open things up on top of that right five game schedule South Carolina Miami Wake Forest Appalachian State, Clemson all or driving distance away.

North Carolina has gotten on a plane yet so curatorial. You could go watch the Tar Heels play in Charlotte again South Carolina you could go watch them on the road play at Wake Forest home number one team in the country defending champs are in your house in your house first time you play the mountaineers since 1939 or excuse me, 1940 Miami in your house night game in Chapel Hill. Not only do you have that all five of the games are entertaining to come down to the final blood stuff you want your down 20 to 9 rally when it Miami last second field goal doesn't work after dad's Noosa makes a crazy cat for a touchdown to convert the fourth in 16 or whatever it was Wake Forest you have the ball. Your down 2418 but you don't get that final second. It was really Appalachian State your lighting up for a field goal to try and tie it up.

It's partially blocked. You lose by three, and then you are facing the defending champion Clemson Tigers you have the ball and you score a touchdown. You go for two to try and win the game against the team that hasn't played a competitive football game in a year. Trevor Lawrence has started and finished 14 games heading into Saturday at Chapel Hill's average win was 35.1 every game by average of 35 point Tar Heels and Matt Brown did something that Nick Sabin couldn't do that Brian Kelly can't do the top coaches across the country couldn't give Dave Doering to deal they found a way to make the game competitive.

Trevor Lawrence led Clemson team and they had him on the ropes with a chance to decide the game and when it in the game ends and one of my hearing walking out of the stadium, not how we need to get behind Matt Brown.

He's got this program coming back know it's talking about Notre Dame. The basketball opener late night would rule. Some of you might be thinking this is a strawman know it isn't. I was there Saturday. I look at my twitter mentioned I talk to media members.

They tell me about some of the posts that they have, how much interaction there is for football when you just barely lose to the defending champs versus late night with Roy content and I'm here to tell you this is not a strawman. It's something that bothers me North Carolina fans please do better this team deserves much more support than what they're getting here. It's exciting football. It's great games. This is a bold team, Georgia Tech, Virginia Tech, is about winnable games at home with a ballgame.

Tell me if he states that winnable every game will North Carolina schedule is winnable. If Clemson was a winnable game how good the coastal how good the ACC that you can't win it has to put up my ACC rankings every single week for ACC sports.com I have North Carolina as the fifth-ranked team just how do you do that you ankle it's easy Clemson one Wake Forest to Virginia three. Good luck. After the I have Duke for just because the way they want at Virginia Tech because who else you put in there. Miami lost North Carolina Syracuse. Not a chance, Boston College. They lost this. I just think the support needs to be better.

There one doing the thing that I wish other radio stations on the radio host want to do and I swore I wanted man.

I couldn't help but get that off my chest or Joey in Thomasville and on the sport some 336-777-1600 if you wanted on the show. Joey your UNC diehard. Is this something you notice does it bother you or not merely the well in this Carolina is one of the most supportive way that is where but football, basketball, baseball, living with Dr. I love your body but you love the city with the but the courts called Dave might be the one that people around man we supper. Last year we games were still looking for where where were behind the back of back and all that we are beyond excited about his football team about where he would love but what we referred to in the state that you could make that claim about it would be good. We referred to the dog Duke university that they care nothing about the football training the baseball think anything we love it, but I need to come with me come with me for day, but all people around. They look a lot. Not basketball but I'm talk about women's soccer. I'm talking about.

All I got. Baseball would be just a dream for me and I have met back in could know they are going to be competing going into this year. I knew I had to work with me predicted five and seven outside thought that we would make them know where you miss you start contending I know he thinks with a phone call appreciate. I wish there were more fans like Joey but what he's describing their that's not the majority of Tar Heel thing, it is sent and hanging around just the hoity-toity courtside folk.

That's not what I'm hanging around on the field. I'm venturing around in the stands in the press box I get the emails against the I get the tweets, so I'd like to think I got a pretty good feel of things among them hanging on the tailgate lots with David Glenn, I'm eating some hardcourt working on offense. Don't get me wrong the jollies around there up.

I just wish there were more of them and there's less talk of checking out after what was the most entertaining five-game stretch any team in the country's hat and there's nothing else there's no other team you can dispute that there's no one else's close to this five-game stretch mark you want to have in terms of opponents and quality of games.

I think I think a lot of Corona fans are probably taking a wait-and-see just with everything involved with it. Matt coming back. I know exactly.knowing we have last year. He's using players in our really totally his, yet something a lot of it was that I will say that there's probably more interesting. The Corona football program today as we sit here and there was six weeks ago from the Carolina faithful like that that can be disputed or that they are more on the radar than they were a month and 1/2 ago. It sustained winnings will bring those people to the level that you think I should be at today. We always talk about how if you missed this area is as a basketball College basketball your bike is notorious college basketball. Oh, and even with the Panthers like it took a while. The sustained success for the Panthers really get a good foothold around here so I would think the same would be true for you will see football like it just takes a little doing still struggle with. It's just when when he makes the comparison to Duke.

It's not the same.

Okay, you have David cut clip he took over a program that was almost court ruled was the worst college football program in the country. North Carolina has resources and they've had what you done for me lately how would an ACC championship appearance just three years ago four years ago.

Tuesday the 2015 season where your winning double-digit games the last minutes he states been to the ACC championship game.

Most people younger people don't remember because it hasn't happened in their lifetime.

Butch Davis years produce some pretty big moments for North Carolina. There was a Thursday night game. I think it was against FSU, where it happened so there are moments I'm not to give North Carolina that out. I'm just not to get the fans that I'll say that they haven't had anything recent to talk about when you beat South Carolina and Miami in the opener you did something that Sabin and Brian Kelly can do against Clemson this past week. I'm just not that except that you actually have me on the head with what you just said that's that's literally the reason why Corona has not gravitated towards the football. The way you want them to get everything you just laid out was not sustained.

It was all sports. It was all college years here two years. They only thing that's not sustained or five or six programs like college basketball true but you later.

Ohio State, like Ohio State, Michigan, Alabama and Clemson. The only programs that do that churn things out every single year but but the fan base that you're reprimanding.

There used to sustained excellence. I write problem and that's the part that ticks me off right you can be mad at them for it. But they're there to look at it in a different light sound spoiled it sounds entitled, that's what it sounds like North Carolina.

We went to basketball all the time. You know when football. We hope we can do the same thing if we don't that that's where the name comes from and I just wish there were more like that last caller that we had more work you want to fans like that you know what fine will take the calls at 336-777-1600 I know I'm murdering the clock right now. I don't really care on Twitter at sports him try it if you care to chime in that way where we going to go Michael in Winston-Salem very quickly.

Michael what you got on North Carolina. First off, Michael. Are you a UNC fan well know I'm from Maryland and I came down here. I actually started to like at date because it seems like the football around North Carolina the entire ACC without Clemson dominated by basketball.

The ACC dominated by basketball and get no love for football is only two true football schools in the state. Thanks for the call Michael and that's a blessed state and that's is Carolyn may be interested, but I still think the fact fans care about basketball more than they care about football there some like to screw me of that.

That's the that's the way I feel about what we learned about the Kyle Allen led Panthers to the last two weeks. That's next on the drive which Josh grabbed Tracy's warthogs right the Panthers when here's what I think we've learned about Carolina. During these last two road playoff team exactly with Kyle Allen at the controls under center.

But there's still itself out, which means if cam Newton gets healthy in time. This is only an attempt to win the NFC South when the entire NFC to potentially appear in Super Bowl LIV because you're pushing back on what I'm saying right now I have a very simple question to ask you who is the best team in the NFC at this present moment 336-777-1600 on Twitter at sports him try it.

There's only one beaten team in the NFC Dez, can you name NFC. It is the that's the reaction you should have San Francisco 43 and no play yesterday.

I like Carolina more than them. The Rams got rolled it home by Tampa, Dallas lost to Teddy Bridgewater, the Packers lost at home to a winless Eagles. If cam returns. The Carolina Panthers are right there because I don't care what your view of the last two weeks. I don't care how big of a Carolina homer you are, how much your drinking the Kool-Aid or what shade of blue your Carolina Panthers blue tinted shades are there is undeniably a ceiling with Kyle Allen. He's going to start next week. Ron Rivera made that known today. He expects Allen to start against the Jaguars as the Panthers return home Sunday afternoon, but let's just be honest they should have lost yesterday's game when you lose three fumbles on the road.

You should not be able to win in the NFL was just that the Texans missed a field goal. Sean Watson missed at least two touchdown passes down the field, most notably the Andre Hopkins on a post beating James Bradberry has been great all year long. Know Trey Turner know. Take a short no doubt they Jackson Carolina should not of been able to win this game yesterday. The best facemask: Bruce Irvin. I'm glad Carolina ended up winning because that makes this team more interesting. That was the more interesting result. But they called breaks like Kyle Allen has all the sudden elevated Carolina to a point. Cam Newton is on capable when he's healthy, of lifting Carolina to their terror heights with cam Newton the quarterback that Alan just can't obtain. That's not a slight on Kyle Allen. By the way during undrafted player cam Newton is a transcendent talent was won an MVP award, who I still think today is more than likely a Hall of Famer, then not a Hall of Famer, just look at guys who are active winners of that award. Matt Ryan's get a break every single record. He's going to be in the Hall of Fame just meister Saussure statistics alone Aaron Rodgers Tom Brady Adrian Peterson's Kaiser to be Hall of Famer's cam Newton is in that class because he's one that award is only 30 years old is not 37 like big Ben Roethlisberger. This is a playoff roster. That's what we learn the last two weeks. James Bradberry will apologize… Before the year I said the Panthers should not pay him because he's not in the best corner on this team.

He's been great all season long to the point where he has people saying that his mommy. I think I'm on board with that. JB's been great. The pass rush. It's been clearly fixed.

It just took Irvin played in his first game. It took Brian Burns how you think the teams picking in the first 15 pics of the driver feeling now letting Brian Burns drop the number 60. He has to be the front runner for defensive rookie of the year. At this point just tremendous play all over the field, whether it's on special teams getting a piece of that pot constantly be in the backfield penetrating on Ron and also pass. He's been terrific. Carolina all over the backfield yesterday. Mario Addison turns out the key to getting him revitalized his lessening his snaps and having him pin is your back his ears back on certain snap count. Have him not be your number 13 down roster, but have them in on third down, have them in certain situations where you think there's pass did after the quarterback. And that happened at certain points. Ron Rivera's pressing the right buttons. I think he deserves the game ball yet again because he is the defensive coordinator.

In addition to be in the team's head coach. But were focusing so much on defense is also focus on Krista McCaffrey to the guys a cyborg catching a pass at the end of the game hundred 75 total yards and it's just balanced, catching Anderson and rushing the football. Yes, she's wide open this team.

If cam Newton gets healthy is going to be a contender. I think I'm not trying to speculate how long Kamsky to be out.

I'm not a doctor, it looks like doctors don't even know what's going on cam right as we were getting off the air on Friday put out a 15 minute long video he sitting facing the camera. Smoking a cigar, drinking wine, and he was very candid.

I think there is just so much to glean from this video.

I think we learned so much from cam but he says that it's a mild list Frank's brain that's why he put it mildly is Frank and he wanted say when he would return. But this is what he would comment on moving forward.

There will be a week or two weeks, three weeks ago before we seek to be six weeks but the thing that I have to stare no if it takes, that's her trust in this tool the wheel we will still be in a great situation. By the time I get back. How's this for a stat will Brian just brought this from Panthers.com to chat with Bilbo in a little over 20 minutes was in Houston for the game.

Krista McCaffrey what were spending time talk about what he's doing offensively leads the NFL was 629 scrimmage yards through four games. It's a franchise record in the six most scrimmage yards for any player for the first four games of the season since 2000. We haven't seen it in nearly 20 years.

The kinda start the Krista McCaffrey is off to Desmond Johnson produce the today show taking your calls at 336-777-1600 you heard there from cam he wants to be 100%. When he does return.

He feels like his teams get to be a good spot in a good spot and I think yesterday's win all but solidified that because Carolina has two games left until they get to the by week. The Jaguars at home. Gardner Minshew, uncle Rico Minshew mania to be in Charlotte this weekend, returning to the state of North Carolina after he spent two years on the ECU football roster very winnable game alum will be starting and that one then it's Tampa Bay in London and I think that's gonna be another competitive football get I think the Panthers need to win one of those two games go into that by week with at least a three and three record and I think that San Francisco game on October 27 is when you circle as a potential date. Cam Newton could return because that would be a little over six weeks to win. Cam Newton sustained the injury.

Remember it was on a Thursday night so then six weeks later. This is where the Panthers are if that's when cam returns.

I think it's a perfect spot for Carolina. I think they need cam Newton inter in order to be a Super Bowl contender. I don't think they're quite a playoff team with Kyle Allen playing quarterback shifting gears to the NCAA. They are trying to play catch-up now. Now that Gavin Newsom, California State Gov. has signed into law.

This pay FairPlay to pay act that will allow for athletes, college athletes to benefit off their likeness to collect endorsement money Gavin Newsom did it on the shop with Lebron James Maverick Carter. I think also, you had a lot of other star athletes were sitting in there as well but Newsom put this on twitter colleges reap billions of students and athletes, but block them from earning a single dollar. That's a bankrupt model designed FairPlay to pay act with Lebron James make California the first date will live with the prophet author name, image and likeness. Okay this California law is a common sense step. Most people agree the athletes aren't getting enough or at least they could get more I felt this way when college sports is generating just millions now college sports or generating billions with a big but there has been disagreement on the way to do it is been disagreement specifically on the schools paying the players directly. I'm not even sure if I'm fully the schools paying players directly. There's complications with that title IX okay. What a softball get women's basketball.

All of that, this seemed like common sense, because it's something that happens outside of the University. This is the likeness of the player. It is their name.

It is Zion Williamson saying okay I have all these Instagram followers already there people that want to do business with me before I ever step on the floor at Duke. I should be able to get paid $200 to sign autographs for an hour at the local Barnes & Noble or the local Dick's Sporting Goods was wrong with that. Be in a commercial. The NCAA they've exploited likeness for decades.

You have the bookstore always fittingly having the star players jersey without the players name on the back right at the front of the store and they said oh it's just those jerseys bear the online store got caught you just type in players names like Dave Young, Claudia Johnny Mandel and Bonnie enough number two Texas A&M jerseys pop were number seven South Carolina teachers, interesting deal. So I agree with this step. I think it was a common sense step and will see how many states follow suit because we already see in Florida and South Carolina getting set to present similar red legislation, just how much blame Mack Brown deserves for the final sequence of number one Clemson Swindon Chapel Hill this week since the drive. You can try getting your sports music talk somewhere else. My life sucks already that your best to leave it right here on the drive with Josh Graham back to back road wins Carolina Panthers or two into coming to Charlotte next week Minshew mania Gardner Minshew with the Jacksonville Jaguars will be in Charlotte at 1 o'clock kickoff time Bank of America Stadium. But before we get to down the road talking about was ahead Bilbo.com was in Houston at the game yesterday and I want to spend time talking about that but before we get to the actual game.

Bill can put out the video on Friday right as we were getting off the year 15 minutes. Pretty candid, describing what's going on with his foot and specifically what happen with him over the last month or so. He covered a lot and I think really filled in a lot of blanks for us, but the one thing I was interested in why now, why what motivated him to put out this video you heard about that was over the Desmond when I was Desmond Johnson. You want to you want to one on the subject that one is Billy Joel Sommer Highland Falls. Yeah, I've been talking about was well done Billy Joe's most underrated.

That's impressive work by Desi's excited about this concert, Bank of America Stadium. I saw him last year in Winston-Salem. It's good to be a good show bill you to be there.

I am an old white man. I will be there so the motivation of cam Newton you think putting out this video. Any idea think yeah I hear him a lot of money at stake doing it, but I think you know I don't think people can error people around him, wanting him to be seen like you what those first two games thinkers they want to remind people that that that he can still play and that the reason why he looked away.

She did those first two weeks and here's a guy who wanted make excuses for so many years. Clearly one of the toughest quarterback we've ever seen, and we saw those first recent associate second week and something clearly wrong and he did his best to get a hold of talk about it, but that eventually it was just how much longer you keep playing this game or nothing's wrong. You got a clear so you can keep putting yourself out.

You can't keep putting tape tape out there that looks like that you're not able to make basic quarterback functions right now so I think it was the smartest place for everybody involved. Take yourself off the field and get better and Panthers perspective. Go get healthy because the way he was playing with the best for them, although on twitter at Panthers abilities fill both of Panthers.com was the most interesting thing you saw in the video really all that much for me. I think it's really giving doable media discussion here would need you ever, when complainer bring up what guys should be doing and how they should be handling and talking to media as someone that used to work with athletes on controlling their brand and controlling as I find that fascinating. I find it fascinating. At the beginning that Kim says will do this on my own terms. So you could run this is how comfortable he is not comfortable clearly as we seen over the years standing up the podium and having questions asked of him.

I'm the same way I hate when people asked me questions like social personal questions so I you I get I get work. Cam coming from the UK looked part of his job should be answer. He knows that I think is you are never going hands are just happy to hear from a person no matter what the setting is and they don't feel the media is owed anything, and perhaps that is true. So I think in one piece of me.

It's disappointing that Campbell allowed himself to be asked questions like this and have unities, back and forth. But I also think it hearing something is perhaps is filtered as it may be better than not hearing from him whatsoever, is the advantage team gets from concealing injuries overblown in your mind think it's all case-by-case. I think in this in this case I don't think there's any concealing they think they believe. Cam was fine. I think that he he you was putting himself out there now, if you wanted have complained after Thursday night game with Dave then set of data that I crack Clearly soaking up with you out probably five cam for the next day and I think the question is over.com with this year. Yesterday, the following things happen in this Houston Texans game Carolina one you had three lost fumbles by Kyle Allen and well documented. The Texans missed a field goal Trey Turner take a short and Dante Jackson did not play there was the miss facemask with Bruce Irvin that's gotten a lot of attention from Texans fans today and died somewhat to missed a couple of deep balls that seem to be open down the field.

Should the Carolina Panthers just theoretically been able to win this game. If I gave you all that information before you know that there are horrific way call having.

How can so the loan is that our DeShawn Watson on those two throws open receivers weird game you know where we are two weeks ago as a whole will type thing, only to words of Christian McCaffrey went the final yard and 1/2. There is made of the player to look into the RAM that's like were so addicted to the NFL in in in is how you have a job, I have a job because we analyze these things to fill up time in the weeks and in in the six days in between games where it's like if you actually did take a deep breath. Not everything like as crazy as it should be each and every week, but because the NFL allows you to stew on these things.

First, six days, analyze every single player like all this and however this should happen. What could've been like baseball past the football stuff just kind of lingers and so the national incrimination to just over analyze everything and so on. The first two games handling one in Arizona that could've lost yesterday, but it's fair to them to end all.

After after talking about it. There were probably really should be agree with you more when it comes to what we do in the media and dissecting too much this Friday after the Eagles Packers game that every single game has to mean something doesn't have to mean anything about Aaron Rodgers in the big picture.

Sometimes a team wins and then the other team just so happens to be on the field and loses, but to broaden it to just the two games.

Kyle Allen is playing without looking at your specific plays numbers what you think. We've learned about the Panthers as a whole seem. Kyle Allen's been able to do in leading this team to two roadway. While multiple conversation with good character. Near the end of last year and in the off-season he was so adamant about what we have to do is we have to find somebody that can be up to three weeks that we will have somebody that will be able to fill in and I think after you after the preseason people pretty skeptical of that boy you back to square by it looks like in three games going back to Russia, starting about three games will some of the small sample size, but think Carol Allen at the very least, is capable of making you feel like you can win a game of cam Newton is not playing and that that's where the Panthers wanted to get to know can help you when you get healthy as a whole other issue but in the meantime, at the very least I think Kyle Allen has proven he can play back as a backup quarterback so antic can anti-cam crowd and others screen but no easiest target better than Kim already got very least, this isn't a Nathan Peter met with the bill situation that has the pass rush exceeded your expectations, the defense the last two weeks that surprising that they can quarterback last week. It was pretty surprising with variable is to pretty potent Houston team in Houston yesterday defensively. Overall, so I think the pastors might be getting it good.

Too much credit coverage is in really good the last two weeks. Arizona clearly has had a problem giving up sacks, not just last week, and Houston's offense of so this is why right all these things taken with a grain of salt, not light. Not everything after being everything the Panthers just beat up on two teams that are giving up a lot of factors that mean the Panthers pass rush is really good, not necessarily, but maybe it mediated so who knows and applied the bigger picture a little bit longer down the line 1st month, but it should wait has been a good start in the reasons for folks to be excited for compliant burnt heat heat in training camp. He looked at the preseason.

Clearly he did. First month that you said that you don't like answer personal questions about yourself and get that vibe, which personal questions of all gosh will like you have family members asking about worker John things like yeah I just yeah, are you better text personal phone call person.

Oh, don't call me a hate like this right here with the last FaceTime chat.

Gosh I accidentally have done lately, but you know if you FaceTime you'll see the water bottle currently for child safety. Panthers Bill, thanks for doing this bill will see you Sunday Panthers.com talks force you would like what you got. This is dry Josh Graham over a span of 14 games, one by an average of 35.4 games of the year they blew out pretty much everybody would like to touch and I guess they didn't cover their verily but in three of the four games were in two of the four games they covered, which required a lot winning by 40 against Charlotte rolling Georgia Tech even as they were playing incredibly well.

Still covering games to prove how good they are.

They have a tight game on the road in the ACC win by a point in Chapel Hill 2120 and now they get knocked down the a people has Alabama at number one Clemson to Georgia three Ohio State four LSU five Oklahoma six here's my issue.

If Alabama had gone on the road and one by a point in Oxford or in Starkville or one by one point in Arkansas at Fayetteville you think they did not benefit you think they go from 1 to 2. I don't think there's a chance in hell that Clemson should not have dropped the spot in the AP poll for winning on the road in the ACC this is an indictment on the ACC.

It's blatant disrespect will go as far to call SEC bias, but I always do find it funny when people say the ACC is down because FSU and Miami are having great years. Meanwhile, Kentucky comes up there is in the top 10. One of the best in the SEC nobody's Lapidus given Mark stoops all the credit know Syracuse is ranked in the top 50 net means. The league is back Wake Forest and Virginia are in the top 25 grants to geeks being in the eight people for the first time since 2008 by the if that happens, that is, the ACC is down when some of the lesser programs Ole Miss and Kentucky.

They are competitive.

Moving up the ranks. Oh, it just means the SEC has more debt. It's ridiculous. There's a little bit bias there. I don't think this happens any chance when SEC team habits, Alabama, Georgia, LSU, Nick Sabin would lose his bleeping mind.

He might even pick up that Coca-Cola thing on his podium and struck it a reporter if they voted against Alabama dropping in the poll. Your thoughts are welcome on twitter exports of dry Johnson and Gabriel in the control room to call 33 677-1600 and know that that you and CT did just come off a loss to have state we know it is on his area.

The F state is a good thing only imagine what State would've done the claims. Sounds nice. Not Mears baby electrical to be a guest on the shelf on Friday but did North Carolina. They didn't make any mistakes. Then turn it over there. They didn't get gashed in the running game like they didn't let Clemson to anything in between the tackles aside for the Travis ETN touchdown at the end of the first is the only time our member cleansing finding a big hole. The Carolina defense of J Bateman credit give Phil Longo credit give North Carolina credit. It's a slap in the face to the ACC that Clemson goes down a spot in the poll because for the first time in literally a year.

Clemson's playing to the wire understand why. Especially me.

People with fools like there's is there such a bias towards the SEC like before the week and started think it's still going on in the top five through the top five are SEC teams. I just read the tough none of those teams are playing anybody really the past five weeks of what makes them top five ranked other than the names of their rolling teams in this in a perfect world you will have the AP poll and tell right now. But since you do it will be the bane of my existence till the end of time. While I have this platform I'm going to be railing against the AP poll. It only exist to drive television ratings so you have a six next with 13 and somehow that means it's a big game because nobody knows the coaches of the players in college football national weight.

You need that to drum up interest you have these great teams playing each other.

Even though we don't know really how good these teams are in the preseason, we set the bowl.

That's all good and well for the first few weeks, but a month.

Here's the issue you have Clemson was preseason number one now in order for the preseason poll to hold any weight in anybody's mind you have to have a reason to pick Clemson to be number one, which means if you're gonna knock them off.

You have to have a reason to knock them off so then you're comparing what's the quality of the team that this teams playing versus the quality of this opponent. How many wages probably points is too many points. How many points is not enough point. I hate playing that game. If you had the poll come out tomorrow October 1 had a full month of games to evaluate, then I think you get a more accurate pool issue. If the wood was no poll whatsoever and then the first one came out tomorrow and Clemson came out number for number five if Clemson was number five say that's justified by issue is that they were number one last week and then based on one game to knock them down from one to number two based on what why if it's a bigger sample size. I probably have Ohio State one right now based on the first month of the more impressive then I think Alabama has Georgia when he gets bleeping and there behind Clemson and Alabama. Why because he had Bama Clemson.

There, at the very beginning. It's a sham. We should even have the a people tell right now if it was me it be Georgia and Ohio State. At the very top.

Then Bama then probably Oklahoma then climbs spot for Charlie had to pull glimpses number one reason to knock them off and I don't think winning by one point on the road in the ACC is enough to say, yeah, you deserve to be knocked out a pack. You won the game you're devaluing winning a conference game. I don't think that's fair you. It's funny too because of the beginning the year, but we told that Carolina needed to beat South Carolina because it's ACC versus SEC mandate that would give us juice right so should not give Clemson use for beating that North Carolina team that beats up SEC team beat Miami yes Aaron, but lost the F state athletes. I know we know aft is good, but on the national stage as you don't know how good upstate is desert you should lose your AP vote living what I should have state though going into that lost their last 11 driving Firefox like get the whole not giving the state juice off the mission as good a hurdle is going to lose the F state hers for Wake Forest, though they are number 22.

They are on open dates so the weight began November 16, Wake Forest Pl., Clemson, and boy do we feel a lot better about this potential of nine and no after watching Virginia Tech play Friday night against Duke who boy it's not a good sign when Virginia's Virginia Tech's best athlete is the robot doing push-ups on the surfboard. It's not a good sign robot with a helmet on. Not great. Virginia Tech got smoked by Duke so Wake Forest open day global at home, you win, Florida State three straight games. That's the one that worries me more. I'm worried more about FSU that I am about NC State is FSU how to pretty good Saturday against the wall pack, but if you take care of business at home then go to Virginia Tech were duped just one by a million. We could be talking about nitinol Wake Forest versus 90 Clemson, November 16 College Game Day maybe to get a Clemson maybe the only other game that compete with that is all burning Georgia my thick but a lot better of a game, but you would think if there's any opportunity any good excuse for college.

Game day to feature the defending champion Clemson Tigers that would be to gain like if you need an excuse what we want to feature Clemson.

One of these weeks and not go to with SEC Stadium every week. This would be the one that we go for if it's Clemson, especially if you're talking about two undefeated teams on top of that there might be broadcasting.

Reasons why you'd want to do Clemson Wake Forest because that's good to be on the ESPN family of networks and I imagine the SEC games could be on CBS but but putting that aside, let's get excited for that. Wake Forest comes defense after watching North Carolina merely because it think there's hope runs when offense is as good as Wake Forest is offense this year, I think so. I'm not used to being a homer for so many think I got an email this morning from somebody you said I am a Duke basketball homer and make sure I get this right because I get a ton of these every week people alleging what my fandom is each and every week, but is a lot more scrolling than I think I need to do here is one filibuster. Hope you are looking at weight for schedule. I don't normally don't charting on the Hytrin early either for other teams of the Mont but looking at their schedule. What you said Louisville Florida State NC state if they can get through those and then the Virginia Tech team that never gets smoked at home in Blacksburg at night and I got smoked by Duke embarrassingly, I think you're looking awake. Forcing the can be sniff in the top 10 by time you get there if there if they're not like it's part it's doable that's doable Clemson football homer Duke basketball homer according to somebody in the audience have people eventually figured out how they figured it out.

At this point that I don't care like I really don't wear gold not care. I said nice things about North Carolina just a little while ago I got something for North Carolina fans a little bit later you might not like it. He states I mean they haven't given me much reason to say good things. I like their team last year, maybe a little too much free with ECUs so I get that that you're not like all on their like I was in the stands for the first time, like three weeks ago for a game. Maybe I left it have to, because it was 35 N. just like a please do not you have to know this is where you can just my a.m. is let mice in the whole legal blackmailing where a parent you need to say it now. Eileen you open up a radio microphone to say something that you can't say that is not I can say its poor radio for you to say that just teasing the beauty don't tickle the audience is not a want to our room is her to pop save working that day. Do not care what what you want. It's not always let us walk out of Lara's dad knows what you are. Wow. All this time you've been sitting here Carolina Tar Heel fan questioning my grandmother Tar Heel you tell me the tarsal mastermind audits are also a sociopath. It's impossible for both those things not to be true. Sociopath function well aside things that they can be found support double negative on my part drive by her friends apologize beats and more. Try the grand slam pizza doesn't matter if you're closeted Carolina fan or somebody who loves upstate or Clemson or whoever it's good pizza good pizza that there are so many things that divide us in this country today, something that brings us together is delicious pie and delicious pizza pie. Specifically grab one of my guys pizza and more. Try to grand slam pizza. If you haven't already, or the delicious dessert of a Moravian sugarcane pie right off Louisville Clemmons Road at the Kinnaman Village Commons pie guys pizza and more online@pieguys.com terrific sponsor of the program you felt like you had something like real secret information. There is no you take such great pride in staying in the middle is just who I really do. Just do what that's her flat WSE has with the sale of WTO to Greensboro WPC or Burlington WMF or Highpoint signals backing up try sports talk you're talking about it.

I'm talking truthful. We're talking about this radio drive which Josh Graham and the newest same people. Clemson unseated the number one team in America. Alabama now number one Tigers number two. Following one point Road win in Chapel Hill Saturday afternoon.

Meanwhile Wake Forest for the first time since 2008 ranked in the top 25. Therein the number 22 Virginia loses Notre Dame they drop the number 23 to figure it all out.

We welcome in ESPN's Billy Philpott now one of the best college football play-by-play man. ESPN has going right right you spent some time in Clemson. I wonder what you make of this. Should Clemson have dropped from number one to number two based on the first close game they played in practically a year or so ago.

Well up here in North Carolina.

Secondly the answer. Yes and wow really good go back out, but they could team that's coming off a home off the Aflac great neck like that.

Maybe the cotton bowl in January, it's all said and think about Africa Aflac great. There will coming in and Clemson comes in is a four touchdown favorite, and you need to hold North Carolina off on a two-point play with the minute to go to sneak out of there with a win.

It leaves a bad taste in the mall of the AP voters go, yes, in my opinion, I posted on Twitter right before we went on the air to UCF Saturday night right that game ended I said in my best guess is Clemson will fall from number one in our grandma will be replacing all number two was in the minds of the voters. The eye test and if you watch to it, but low in the way that offense is operated. This year they have been literally flawless in the downfield passing game. I noted the other teams they played great, but they demolished Duke just demolished that we all saw Friday night on the lease they have that one on the resume that was good to be more than enough for the voters to go ahead and make right now matter at all, but I would've voted Alabama number one after watching the gate. Chapel Hill, with that two-point play in a narrow victory.

Here's why I think it matters if Clemson it shows that that the D AP voter doesn't pay any respect to the Atlantic Coast conference. I'm commenced.

If Alabama beats any SEC team on the road by one point they don't get knocked down from number one to number two and it shows me that the ape and the AP voters mind that if Clemson loses any game from here on out there, probably not to make the college football playoff without getting any help. I would agree with all of that and whether you like it or I like or anybody in your graph. Like right now, not you very positively by just about anybody with a college football poll and dirt you know claims, you could make better things that went you know certainly support that. But I think that's where this perception is reality that the perception of that place in the worker Alabama because it multiple times in the next couple weeks with their schedule. Clemson probably is. And to that point. Despite the grandma Clemson's goat in the last six or seven years. You look so weak and your Texas A&M losing Auburn. I don't think help the open schedule so call your slip up somewhere, especially in again which are favored by four touchdown you needed, help and elicit that applicant Pittsburgh back in 2016 in the day that it happened.

Walter Clemson the day that it happened to other teams right there wrinkle Tigers all lost which helped propel Clemson in the play up at your help. Possible if they were to lose a game if you I do think that they would require helping and you would need a couple of other teams to learn what went game and maybe maybe twice by chemical perception is reality, especially in college football. ESPN's Billy Philpott with us. I think ultimately what my bigger issue is its the preseason AP poll and I think what we do what voters do is look at what the poll was the week before and you're not asking necessarily who the better team is it will how many points is not enough in order to impress maintain your spot. It almost sounds like that this top five that were looking at Bama one Clemson to Georgia three Ohio State four LSU five will make it top. Six.

Oklahoma coming in at number six.

It would be completely rearranged if let's say the first, a people who came out a month in which would be tomorrow October 1. People really matter and I say that because with playoff committee meets for the first time a couple weeks and they produce their poll. I think they were doing that right now they think they may very well have Auburn number one state Georgia or Ohio State or go here night you fall down spot. The ACC is not great. I just don't think it matters at all. The one thing upper really counts is that they found a way to win the game and they continue to do that will be among the top four teams and I don't know. Be number one in the grand scheme. I don't know the whole heck of a lot of Clemson fans without semifinal game close to home in Atlanta as opposed to going all the eye. The ultimate goal is to win a national champ know that makes a comment different. I don't think you're good enough to win even with game letter to Phoenix or Atlanta, regardless of what the home crowd looks like it either one of honestly it just doesn't matter on one of the top four. The top four. The AP poll doesn't matter. The only thing that matters. Members think about a month or so. We now look all over Georgia Ohio State Oklahoma employee by grilling everybody with her to match approximate maybe the number one team so more in about 3 to 4 weeks from the committee comes out with their first goal on all the talk to me down and just talk. It really matter Hope are you buying into Wake Forest at five. I like your quarterback and cleaned it in a container challenge with a that they had an easier time with North Carolina art I get there, but I wake course looks like an eight or nine when team and a French top 25 team circuit that extent. Yes, I'm blinded you. We all know they Paulsons a great coach if he were to get wake to work with Craig and her 11 when you're maybe somebody else comes calling the credit union try to get him out of Winston-Salem.

He's good enough to do something like that.

I like the team five to or they can score they controlled a little bit more explosive. You know well coachable cyclical binder. I I don't go that far from winking games and winning the Atlantic division find people criticizing Mack Brown's two-point call today.

Sparer on you know before they go for it when they were driving again back to twitter. I pose the question, will we go for two because I think everybody that goes back felt like he would go over to it.

Of course I agree with the call. You can argue against it because you know they have some boat show in their favor on that final drive. You know, it just felt good to Kenan Stadium. There was a good five fair white oak agreed with the call to go for. I didn't like the option it's easy for us to look back and say where that wasn't right: right was waiting on and if you go back and you look over devilish with your patient like 2008 when he was the interim coach in 14 or 15 two-point cries against Clemson, only one team has converted a two-point play and it was like 2015 South Carolina in a meaningless situation. Everybody else is like you over so like teams or one for 15. I want to say two-point Apple took over a big part of that is Brent Venables Bates Gallic Carolina they'd seen them play in it in a two-point situation before they were expecting, and it was defendant like they knew what was coming so you would like to write something else.

Especially if that's what you'd already shown, so I was a huge fan of the call and especially the euro has that kind of speed to get the edge.

I like the fact that he went to court and I likely had to say. Afterward, I Mack Brown Matt Mack is doing good things he is doing great things in Chapel Hill and in the year to with the coastal division, be right where they were working on their what was that four years ago.

Great job.

Can you do a great Carolina backup about football and he did that already this weekend. Give me a little bit more. Something on the two-point play against the number one team in defending national champion at home with a minute like you give me something a little bit different to observations I had sealed time to confirm, what you're saying there on Saturday I was on the North Carolina sideline when they score the touchdown and I'm looking straight at Mac and he goes straight to Phil Longo, the office of coordinator and it was clear there wasn't much decision to be made. They were going for two Mack said after the game that Longo he liked this play and after the fact that Apple said as much, what you just hinted at and what was obviously in the play that Davo told his players hey there good to go over to it. They score EP prepared the team defensively, so they weren't shellshocked when they roll out there trying to win the game and then Davo said Brent Venables expected speed option and that's exactly what they read.

And that's why the guy gets paid $2 million a year to be that that's according coaching instincts and having that type of study where you understand what they might run in a two-point situation. I say for you. Roy there's the story out of Mexico City where someone stripped but naked at a Walmart when they were accused of stealing shoplifting something to prove that they didn't shoplift they stripped but naked did you ever shoplift something as a kid that you remember Overgaard yeah what what random question might like your daughter to write your card here yet is it worth to correct from the grocery store and read about that but there was a very scary and I never did anything like that again. Yes, I start about that random question I've ever been. After the radio every doctor when that will change my handle Roy Philpott you'd like to return the favor with something by way my my youngest daughter looked at me that daddy would be smoking cigarettes so I will let you. I'll let you get to that appreciate you spending time with you every time I care about the