The Drive with Josh Graham - CMC=MVP? - 10/7/19

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This support is the Carolina Panthers won three in a row. See everybody today applauding McCaffrey and pumping up Brian Burns that his defensive touchdown. However, remember this, it's not talent that separates teams in the NFL.

It's culture. Think about it, the talent Between the best teams in the week and those that are 500 is marginal.

It's very small. I will go as far to say it's microscopic, especially in today's day and age where the dolphins are taking you see how bad the Redskins are where Jay Gruden is getting fired at 5 o'clock in the morning, despite the fact his team put up a fight in the first quarter of that game against the New England patriots, but speaking of the patriots there always seen as the example of this franchise that dominates every single team in the NFL. They've gone through this run with the been dominant in the AFC's three of the last four super Bowls, they been in him. Tom Brady is 16 rings probably could've one more than that.

If not for Eli Manning to Nick Volz but they were the last talented team in the last three Super Bowl wins they've had Atlanta had more talent than the patriots did the Los Angeles Rams certainly had more talent than New England.

The Seattle Seahawks more talent than New England but it's the culture it's the expectation that you're going to win. It's the coaching and what's fostered there under Bill Bella check that I think makes all the difference. The Carolina Panthers during this three-game run. I don't think Caroline is more talented than Houston with all the injuries Carolinas hat I don't. I didn't think they were more talented than the Jaguars yesterday purely from a talent standpoint. Carolina won the last two games because Ron Rivera has fostered this winning culture a winning culture that is now made him the all-time winningest coach in Carolina Panthers history that when yesterday and it seems fitting that it comes the same day the panthers are inducting for new members to the Hall of honor. Smitty stored in gross take the loan and Wesley walls because Ron Rivera is soon to be there one day he's the best coach. The papers have had and he continues to evolve and to innovate and the thing that stands out to me about Rivera versus Fox is just how many guys in that locker room would go to war for Rivera. If you asked any of those players to talk about Rivera. They get borderline emotional because they just want to run through a brick wall for deck. He seemed to be a players coat excellent from an exit exit no standpoint when pressure was put on them to make changes as they were losing games last year. He takes over defensive coordinator duties and they get immediate response to it, holding the New Orleans Saints to 12 points or something last euro Monday night. This year the deep.

It's been a lot better there off to a no wood to start though Ron Rivera kept everybody composed just listen to the way Luke equally described Rivera who got the game ball yesterday following his franchise record number of wins isn't that something goes Rivera is one of those guys that he loves the players and I think that's the best part about how he sees a great coach understands ball but I think he loves the guys and I think you guys appreciate that guys feed off that and and he's always super constant know we been in tough situations. Since I've been here will even start as well as menu to note like this year we started going to.

Everyone could've said disguise Fonda coach Rivera does a great job keeping everybody involved. Everybody encouraged him and has the same message every week that were good football team is playing like it so happy for coaches and a tremendous job since his been reset system really need deal. Krista McCaffrey big day yesterday record start to the season for Christian is doing amazing things, but three years ago.

The panthers selected him eight over eight overall.

When nobody really was projecting McCaffrey to go into the top 10 and it was seen as a no question Leonard for not being a better running back McCaffrey Blair nice day yesterday but if you redraft that draft a few years ago.

How high do you think Krista McCaffrey is going.

McCaffrey didn't forget about that. When asked about Rivera after the special it's really special, and he deserves it all in our love, Ron RC believe the mean just right for drafting that men alive took a chance and a lot of people within seven teams in front of me didn't and he did this always be appreciative that so he deserves his coat check of mental and all of us so happy for over his nine year NFL head coaching career is 173 of his 132 games on the sideline. It all goes back to this winning culture and it's not just Rivera Greg Olson after the Tampa Bay game. He was speaking to us in the locker room set unit does not feel bad for us because and hurt because guys are going down because where or when to we just need to buckle up and find a way to win games not feel sorry for ourselves.

Trey Turner and Dante Jackson are out the last two games. Figure it out. KK shorts on injured reserve next man up in Butler getting into the backfield making the player to yesterday. Next man up, execute that's what the panthers challenge their players to do and they were up to the task. John Masco spent time talking about him on Friday is the papers office of line coach burly dude kind of somebody who veers away from talking in the media and such, but how amazing was it that Krista McCaffrey had all the holes he was able to run through considering how good that Jacksonville front is with Elias Campbell and got away in the middle that the pets Marcel Darius also was clogging up holes, but insert Dennis Dailey in the place of Greg little inserts Greg von Rhoton in the place of the injured Trey Turner and they don't miss a beat, and not only did they not miss a beat McCaffrey's rolling over people and then when McCaffrey gets banged up at the end there is Reggie Bono fun running through a massive hole and scoring a touchdown. It goes back to what Ron Rivera has taught and what he is fostered. It's a winning culture and that's the difference in the NFL. There isn't much difference talent level between the Kansas City Chiefs New England Patriots. The Green Bay Packers and some of the lesser tier teams in the NFL Jacksonville Jaguars. The Atlanta Falcons tell you it's not that different but coaching and culture matter so much in the National Football League draw broadcast live in the Law offices of Timothy D. Wellborn studio you can tweak the show at sports on triad 336-777-1600 is the phone number Desmond Johnson is producing today's program to catch up with about 20 minutes with Cody Martin recent hornets draft pick a pretty neat story this week where the hornets to be playing a game in Winston-Salem at Joel Coliseum preseason game against the Sixers Cody Martin at one time was it NC State Wolfpack then transferred to another Wolfpack with Nevada. But before that he was at Oak Hill Academy and before that he grew up in Knoxville baby County high school so it's good to be in the deal for him very close to home playing a preseason basketball game for the Charlotte hornets coming up this week summer to chat with Cody and about 20 minutes.

The table really is set over the Carolina Panthers to make a Super Bowl run. It only happens with cam Newton on the field every indication I've gotten out of Charlotte. The people I know and talking to them about Kai allowing in camp. Every indication is when cam returns. This is going to be his team.

It doesn't matter how many games Kyle Allen wins, he's done a nice job but back to the coaching part. That's what they expected.

They didn't have Kyle Allen in the position he's in. Currently, if they didn't expect him to be able to step in with the talent around him and have some success. If you're one of those people that are pushing against what I'm saying right now and anti-campers always owing to Josh and Kyle Allen's foreigner was a starter three of the four games being on the road. What's the most memorable throw that Allen made yesterday. Tell me about the one deep down the field that he made between two defenders tell me the throw.

Allen made that cam Newton covenant, and while you're thinking about that. I'll remind you that cam is not someone he's had a lot of foot concerns.

So when he comes back from the foot and he's healthy. I can list off two sets of hands, maybe four sets of hands, the kinds of plays camp to make with his feet, but Kyle Allen couldn't possibly make to Carol.

There were good team right now and that's because of the culture that Ron Rivera has instilled in Charlotte bought the only way they go from being a good team right now to being a great team, a contender to win the NFC. They need cam Newton and right now it's a very good stretch for Carolina because you have Tampa Bay beatable team in London to be easy Campbell baby Carolina and Charlotte baby the Rams by a ton hanging 50+ on the road in Los Angeles exiting the peak. Carolina ran so it's not to be easy. It's not to be a walk-through by any means, but if you get that went before, and to going into the by, and after that the same disk of 49ers play tonight and the run defeated no one's. That's not a winnable game for Carolina regardless of who's playing quarterback and at the cam Newton might be back for that.

I think it's the earliest good return October 27 and the Titans are at home before that stretch against the Packers Falcons and sing realistic you're talking about a six into football team. It really is coming up why Krista McCaffrey go. Is it my NFL MVP through five weeks since the drive Josh grandma sports hub triad are not thinking anything is the second is only try to land graciously meant gracefully to the end zone. There are a lot of defenses that wish Krista McCaffrey would be gracious to them, no looking into the end zone. I'm interested phone calls on what would happen to you if you even that attempted to what Krista McCaffrey did flipping into the end zone for that 336-777-1600 is the phone number were on Twitter at sports on triad amazing game for McCaffrey and that was my exchange with him yesterday following the panthers third consecutive win this time against the Jacksonville Jaguars as great as he was. He is not my leader for the MVP award through five weeks of the NFL season. Russell Wilson should be the favorite. As of right now I get McCaffrey's numbers are great and there are so many you can pull needs thrown into the same category as Jim Brown and is doing something for the first time since Thurman Thomas was running around in Buffalo over everybody. I get that he's been tremendous bought this is a quarterback award most valuable player E is the last six winners of the award.

All quarterbacks, 11 of the last 12 all quarterbacks, so I know what we do in the media guys doing something ridiculous. We did this with Antonio Brown two years ago when he was terrific with the Steelers and now are doing it with McCaffrey put this guy in the MVP discussion and will be there. It's good for Carolina. Denise talked about the day as an MVP candidate through five weeks, but here's the thing Russell Wilson he's had more of an impact and I think until cam Newton returns Seattle's football team is better. The Carolinas is and it's because of Russell Wilson. It has more to do with the position. McCaffrey plays then his ability and his performance. If you're playing quarterback you have a better shot at winning the award because it's about value McCaffrey. He has a massive game against the Los Angeles Rams. They still lose right McCaffrey even though he could take over games and they needed him yesterday to be Jacksonville.

That's fine what Russell Wilson is doing week the week if he doesn't play well Seattle losers.

Carolina could still win a game in Her disappointment, I just can't and they can lose games when he doesn't.

Russell Wilson's numbers there absurd right now. It is only the NFL in passing yards and homes does but get this 12 touchdown passes no pics. He leads the NFL in touchdown passes right now most people would've thought of that was the home 12 TDs, no interceptions for Russell Wilson. Then there's the running element that he had that not even the homes has at the moment so I really like the Seahawks right now and I like Russell Wilson who was great again against the LA Rams on Thursday night football is putting up absurd numbers and right now their only losses to the New Orleans Saints were very good football team. At the moment so give me Russell Wilson is the funniest thing today. The funniest thing I see a lot of narratives on Friday and today nationally little bit regionally.

We we often forget about Russell Wilson where this guy come from, we often forget it is a good enough credit Russell Wilson and Krista McCaffrey. We've all forgotten about Krista McCaffrey. What football person forgets about Russell Wilson and Krista McCaffrey. It seems like a straw man to say that we get it. Seattle's not the biggest football market. We get it. Carolina Charlotte is not that either, but I'm scared to let the regional media and national media.

No we know Russell Wilson and Krista McCaffrey are if you don't you don't follow football close enough, you probably don't like fantasy football if you don't know how great Krista McCaffrey's been the last two years. Russell Wilson missed the Super Bowl XXI and the one he showed one did you miss Russell in bed with Sierra telling people hey Seattle did you miss that to because he got paid and we uncovered that very closely. It's something that bothered me today was really waking up Friday morning or this morning saying holy bleep who says Russell Wilson, and Krista McCaffrey. What's he about love for somebody did not know McCaffrey is and then just look at the stats like you know what that would be like it's it's a movie you're in a coma and you wake up and you just look at McCaffrey's that oh my gosh this guy must look like Ezekiel Elliott. This guy must be bowling people overlook the bus. Did I want to see what this guy looks like you must look like Adrian Peterson who are Krista McCaffrey doesn't look like the running backs used to see the top of the running backs leaderboard looks a little different set out Russell it to your to your point about running backs, having not very good odds to win the inability piece and I guess you it is Peterson's the last one yeah you Peterson's lessons over the past 20 years old and three running backs of one MVP are my love into your sarcasm to give you the years though okay so 2012 Adrian Peterson saw the stat today and I read it off. I didn't know who the specific backs are so getting the year 2005, 2006 Falkland one late 90s and early 2000's. That was 2000 okay so the last 20 years. Okay so Faulk was in 2000 is a 2000 5006 the lady and commented season has to be one of the house that was six and John Alexander was on a Madden cover their go to buck between all three of those notice they all broke some kind of record that year at running back John Alexander broke the rushing touchdown record that your for running back and then Thompson broke that the following year and into thousand 12 Adrian Peterson was threatening to break Eric Dickerson's all-time single-season rushing record in order for Chris McCaffrey to really win this award.

He's probably going to have to join that thousand thousand club that that thousand euros rushing down your perceiving that only Marshall Faulk and Kreger.

I think he is the rush for 2000 yards is that pop dear Savior is the trend right now like people do on the mat. If he continues at the rate that is going right now he's on pace for 2251 rushing yards 21 rushing TDs 971 receiving yards five receiving touchdown Camp that's that's what he's on the face to do right now so I'm not taking anything away from McCaffrey. It doesn't make what he's doing any less impressive if he doesn't win the MVP award. This was the way Greg Olson described it had a chance to walk over to Olson's locker. He was just talking about what McCaffrey's been doing of late and this is what he said words of the ability to run long runs run for run run Shaw regarding extra yards after contact. Just wanted actio to receive case law. Other things you can do is right does not a lot of other guys if any, is maybe spotted Isaac and he doesn't passing game 25 carries also, here's a misconception people have about football. It's very little about tricking people and more about executing something better than the other side.even if they know what you're doing Olson I always learns up every time I talked to Greg and he brought something that looked apparent from the naked eye, but we couldn't tell for sure until we went into the locker room they seem to run the same play more than a dozen times in the jags just cannot stop it. It turned out that was exactly the case I ever heard the same call came in itself.

In the run game you'll repeat place to begin the pass came twice a lot of on timers but in the run game to three maybe four times in certain situations that I am and I got no time to rinse in quiet motion same play jacks just couldn't stop it, even if it's Reggie on the phone running the football. I don't understand why more proteins do not do this you see in high school time were team if they see something that's working actually means was I currently game this past Friday that we called we saw the same thing over and over the Grimsley just kept running up the gut, quick pants you doing if it's working and you guys are executing people is rarely ever works this kind of way to reason why like yeah I think most coaches agreed exactly what you're talking about getting for every single time or 45. You keep doing it.

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Cody Martin is a second round to be a draft pick of the Charlotte Hornets you might know them is that you might know as a form former NC state Wolfpack basketball player or even further back than that you might know him as somebody play high school ball at Davie County high school in Knoxville, North Carolina.

Cody Martin will join the show next on the drive which Josh Gray is more spacious and he knows his horse back to drive Josh Graham on sports hub triad Panthers win in Charlotte last night three second wins for Caroline or I guess it was in the wall that was happening Charlotte preseason basketball game against the Boston Celtics and will have another one right in our backyard here in the triad Joel Coliseum Friday night.

Tickets are still available for the Sixers and the Hornets which will feature our next guest Cody Martin. Once upon a time you might remember him playing NC state for one set of Wolfpack, then playing for Eric Musselman in Nevada a very good team that made the tournament last year.

That's another Wolfpack. But before that Sunoco Academy and then he was in his hometown of Marksville North Carolina playing at Davie County high along with his brother Caleb. Everybody still remembers the Martin twins Cody before we get to the basketball. Did you go to grow up Panthers fan to your coworker are very rare, very provocative article.

Our group ever creamer you a comparable group near you are playing in a preseason basketball game in Boston last night. Wonder how much longer does it take following the game for you to check and see what happened with Panthers heroic Bogart remote group who are on the quiet burglar revenue maker regularly really will how much family are you expecting this Friday night at the Joel Mary Margaret vertebrae about their llama family members are private of and I don't hear from Mike on the street are annoyed by what North American environment.

Do you think you'll see some Davie County jerseys were they going to be number 11 Charlotte Hornets jersey. There might be a combination of its Cody Martin with us on Twitter@Cody_Martin 15 that's Friday night 730 will be there. Sixers Hornets Joel Coliseum in Winston-Salem. The earliest memories you had Cody of watching college basketball or the MBA around here are our dear Guerrero regard to our character of our regular North Carolina and are you growing up and go out going through school recruitment, director Pierre North Carolina grew on me right of us.

"All you North Carolina like their involvement in North Carolina players when you're watching your younger one out your mama. Where Carter I love the microphone require starting a word about the logical order. They were your you know him. I am going there to work on art here you go there?

Here's the reason I ask because you 24 years old. Yes okay which means you would've been nine years old when North Carolina won the national championship in 2005 against Illinois Marvin Williams was a top five pick in that draft your teammate man tell. Have you told you watch North Carolina growing up. Article number of darker older than her. There are around her like everywhere you go: bargain on the road on what going up what's the best you could tell me about when you and your brother got mixed up everything under way, is there one coach was yelling at you, and thought it was actually her brother, Arabella Gerber, our care throughout reported and I know you called in there. I got director for you where you feel better. Eric Burkett is a good idea if you ever slip up. Did you ever slip no coach you got a raw diet was actually motorcar your whatever Coakley Merrick. Riker Martin with us traffic for the Charlotte Hornets Friday night. Joel Coliseum is the Sixers facing the Charlotte Hornets so I'm seeing that shack has been involved in a rap beef with Dame Lillard looking around what's going on in the week.

Is there anybody in the Hornets locker room you think could hold their own behind the mic on her milder. Rare rare sugar from other Gerber when I get there of the work on an out working on prayer. Whether I very got going on over here about heard about it. When Jake calls just hanging out practice. Draco lover her primary. Four years ago hello there, there would we always wear pick up from her and threw it out.

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You have to visit around here when you're around Knoxville or Davie County Mayor with very light earthenware live closer. I would go you getting at Miller's always good to collect the balance of the family character over your product sweetie. My broker feeling they don't have anything like that in Charlotte part of the sink to look forward to seeing it will be home to you at the Sixers base the Hornets Friday night. Thanks so much for doing this man Martin second round draft pick for the Charlotte Hornets from Marksville, North Carolina, Davie County got NC stay than now to the MBA. It really is a neat story and you can find tickets again for this game still go through the Joel you can go through the Hornets as well. Working to be out here.

Dez is feeling spirited today. Scott is Hornets drive fit on Charlotte hooking us up a little bit right around the corner man source the 23rd of leaves open at night 23rd so were little over two weeks away from that they open things up at the Wednesday night so checks out Aaron Gabriel in the house as well. A reminder, speaking of Charlotte and basketball were going to be at operation basketball tomorrow DG and myself will be broadcasting out there so it'll be seven hours of local basketball content where DJs get to catch up with DJs can have the more he told me earlier. It's it's all big names, so let's start there massive names that DJs can have on the show working have as well try to figure out if he's going to catch. I know working to get coach K tomorrow were going to have Roy Williams on the show tomorrow. Try and catch Jim behind getting back on in Greensboro because we know how much he values Greensboro and I think were to catch some Duke and North Carolina players baby little jab in the Laurier Jack White action. Some Garrison Brooks as well.

We got Danny Manning on the docket so that there's a lot tomorrow.

West Durham hanging out with Don's baby a J bill itself. Operation basketball. It's something we always look forward to every single year as the kickoff event for basketball, but were in the only place I think in America you could talk about basketball 12 months out of the year, so this is the kickoff event officially for basketball, but with the dog basketball the last month and 1/2 really getting ready for the start of the season and will visit a lot of the storylines were to introduce Aaron Gabriel to the coaches and players. Aaron, are you aware those shades indoors tomorrow the entire term. How would you describe the shades that you're wearing right now around the circular storm trooper T-shirt sexy magneto, magneto, sorry it was like and why it's hard for me to see that it was magneto you understand why thought was a storm trooper from afar, when it's black and white. Maybe I guess if we stretch it that the judges will allow it. You'll hear the latest additions to the shack name lowered rap beef next probably broadcasting to it already is clearly something that you guys are not sucker me into the story at all. Just tell me of your own benefit. Your drive with Josh Gray on sports hub try bring with Brian Burns, Panthers linebacker stupid score will you ever get a touchdown. The easiest one to be stored to be hard-pressed to find one like that before we get to the shack name lowered update between those two stay with Brian Burns for a second because last week he had the ongoing debate that really sparked controversy on this show arguing in the locker room with Gerald McCoy who was who would win a fight at a Superman or check that Spider-Man versus Batman that was stem because they were excited about the Joker coming out now this is not a Batman movie. There is no Batman in the Joker. I had a chance to see the Saturday night so I was interested to know while preparing for this football game Sunday afternoon in Charlotte, getting set for the Jaguars.

Did Brian Burns have time to watch the Todd Phillips movie starred by Joaquin Phoenix, the Joker, here's how that exchange sounded as if it was great.

Great job like it was a different twist from the original joke indictment also all know it's a different Joaquin Phoenix is Joker is right there with the pleasures I saw it Saturday night and don't worry, there are no spoilers to be found here. No spoilers for this movie but I will say the way that this movies being discussed.

Joaquin Phoenix's performance of the Joker and Heath ledger in the dark night.

It reminds me a lot of the Michael Jordan Lebron James debate with hair for some, the latest thing is the best thing think about that movie came out 11 years ago. So you see people who are young, who think that is the original Joker unpacking that piece of sound by Brian birds him saying original Joker there I think speaks to what were talking about some of these players now felt players would have been 910 years old when that movie came out. It's not uncommon that that is the case so comparing it to MJ and Lebron there are people who don't remember watching Michael Jordan play who were chiming in on this Lebron James debate San Lebron's the best because numbers and individual statistics on the flipside of that, there are people much like those who will not welcome any player being seen in the same light as Michael Jordan who sold the dark night and said there will never be another Joker performance that's as good as Heath ledger and in the dark night. They are not willing to welcome anything else we there was a board factor to people that believed no one would play the Joker again because Heath ledger was that good. In the 2008 dark night right so you could see where I'm headed here there were people who would not welcome the idea of somebody being better sounds a lot like the Michael Jordan guys Heath ledger people, having the same debate nobody could be as good as Heath ledger was. I'm not saying it's better. I'm not saying Joaquin Phoenix was better than the Heath ledger Joker I'm saying they're in the same conversation like what Burns was saying there. It's two different kinds of jokers you got an origin story going up against a fully developed Joker like this, jokers not supposed to be the deviant step ahead of everybody else. Villain. This is how we turned into that. That's the premise of the movie. Meanwhile, Heath ledger Joker it is that it's a step ahead of everyone else.

It's DBS. It's brilliant. It's mastermind type stuff.

Case in point example grabbing opinion.

I don't know why. I actually grabbed the pen in my studio as if you guys can see it wanted to see this made me think that you want to see me make this pain disappear.

We eventually got there and now it's a really good movie.he's going to win best actor how legit it is in the categories get a look weird because where staring right down the barrel a situation where Joaquin Phoenix is playing the Joker nominated for best actor going up against Adam Sandler in that category and Tom Hanks as Mr. Rogers like where staring at that possibility few months ahead of time to try to prepare you for what might happen if that is the case. Joaquin Phoenix is when going away yesterday. How is the security of the theaters I know you were worried about the into this my wedding Saturday night I risk my life Saturday night all that talk about how is a lot of people do it on Thursday and Friday. Josh Josh got to see this movie together with Thursday and Friday I want to see it two more times. I also excited to see this movie again. There was a police officer right outside the theater. I high-fived him thank you for being here, sir.

I don't know but maybe a suspect tried to stop me if I am not become a lost word never my life. Both the high-fived police of the phone that have occurred with cultural divide, but possibly cultural divide between the glass here in the Law offices at the bit to be well. We set on like half of the police, life is as manly as crazy $24 for the ticket. The two tickets AT $24 and my date had $30 worth of light candy/drinks and stuff cost is $30 for two drinks to things candy and popcorn is about 60 bucks for this movie date. Pain that's crying, I'm going with the movie was good enough but one thing is that it was. I never do.

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Hey protect your children from things inside, but don't think you can. All I was thinking is there are parents across America who are caving this week because their kids are writing them sank the Batman movie comic book movie this it's it's fine to Add to the comic book movie be don't cave don't listen to them, you'll thank me later.

It's very dark, sound advice, it is now almost dark comic book movie I've ever seen. If you thought the dark night was dark okay on three I want us all to do our best Joker maniacal laugh that we could come up okay one simultaneously to three big thing that we can laugh that Mr. Hank was trying to get a little what was speaking of things that we can laugh at Shaq and Dame lowered her added again. I haven't heard the most recent Dame lowered rap at the way it went was Dame lowered was asked who he thought was a better rapper himself or Shaq. So of course he said himself a ridiculous question we ask what you can ask any of the page better than Lebron and they'll say yeah I'm better than the prompt drastically player if there better what you want to say yeah shocks better than me even though I wrap all the time and I claim to be a very good rep putting that aside after that comment, Jack put out a wrap about Dame Dame responded in kind. I thought Dame crushed Jack. I did, I didn't think it was close but then Jack felt the need to respond in his first one sounded like it was recorded in his bathroom.

Let's see if it got any better. Okay, before we completely react to what we just heard. Let's let's hear the rebuttal, even though we just heard a few seconds on it. Here's Dame lowered anything really possible that in his sleep. Prof. let me try to relieve his family And goes right is not what I think Dame Willard he proved what he said to whatever interviewer Dame lowered was asked who's a better wrapper hammer shack and I think over the span of two wraps Dame's reps don't sound like they're in the bathroom and I actually would listen to Damien lowered song shacks just sounds goofy. It sounds goofy and dated Dame lowered.

I know question he's crushing chapter of the question is who the better wrapper after hearing the second one could be switched his flow could never, always coming on. I'll get him about the flow chart will not shacks well but actually switched up his flow and the second one.

So if it's about the best rapper between the two. I give the name off of the however it's about who get met who in this crappy it's shack not saying anything. Thanks that has less ammunition. The work with a lot of things that Dame lowered can say like if you're going out one of the most popular players ever in the day you asked for this he was asked better wrapper is. He said him and he proved that he is the better wrapper you have to get included into a wrap.

He brought like someone well.

I was really happy they will likely love shack like that with killing him and the battery is better. He's better at rapping then Schachter Road is not dissing them at all like the two phone themes put out. I have not already trying to. That's why losing it but I don't think he is winning because of quality. Another thing to shack is winning because Shaq is using beats that everybody knows Shaq's victory is Biaggi all what we when we first knew it came on bizarrely bobbing her head.you automatically bought by hand. I was left was goofy what you mean. I was bothered by hand. Me and Aaron are in her listening to him as soon as we start Bob Lundblad but Dame lowered more original Dame lowered to do multiple flows. Dame lowered doesn't sound like he's wrapping in the bathroom. It's far Dame lowered over Shigella for 40 slide lowered over Shaquille O'Neal. It's not even close.

You are listening to W STS Winston-Salem W COG Greensboro WPC in Burlington W MFR Highpoint. Although signals making up sports on dry ground lease broadcasting to it already is clearly something that you guys are not sucker me into the story at all. Just tell me of your own benefit. Your drive with Josh Gray sports hub triad, bring with Brian Burns, Panthers linebacker stupid score will you ever get a touchdown. The easiest one to be hard-pressed to find one like that before we get to the shack Dame lowered update wrap between those two stay with Brian Burns for a second because last week he had the ongoing debate that really sparked controversy on this show arguing in the locker room with Gerald McCoy who was who would win a fight at a Superman or check that Spider-Man versus Batman that was Stan because they were excited about the Joker coming out now this is not a Batman movie. There is no Batman in the Joker. I had a chance to see the Saturday night so I was interested to know while preparing for this football game Sunday afternoon in Charlotte, getting set for the Jaguars.

Did Brian Burns have time to watch the Todd Phillips movie starred by Joaquin Phoenix, the Joker, here's how that exchange sounded as if it was great. Great job like it was a different twist from the original joking may also like it's a different Joaquin Phoenix is Joker is right there with Heath ledger's I saw it Saturday night and don't worry, there are no spoilers to be found here. No spoilers for this movie but I will say the way that this movies being discussed. Joaquin Phoenix's performance of the Joker and Heath ledger in the dark night. It reminds me a lot of the Michael Jordan Lebron James debate with hair for some, the latest thing is the best thing think about that movie came out 11 years ago. So you see people who are young, who think that is the original Joker unpacking that piece of sound by Brian words him saying original Joker there I think speaks to what were talking about some of these players now help players would've been nine or 10 years old when that movie came out.

It's not uncommon that that is the case so comparing it to MJ and Lebron there are people who don't remember watching Michael Jordan play who were chiming in on this Lebron James debate San Lebron is the best because numbers and individual statistics on the flipside of that, there are people much like those who will not welcome any player being seen in the same light as Michael Jordan who sold the dark night and said there will never be another Joker performance that's as good as Heath ledger and in the dark night. They are not willing to welcome anything else we there was a board fraction to people that believed no one would play the Joker again because Heath ledger was that good.

In the 2008 dark night right so you could see where I'm headed here there were people who would not welcome the idea of somebody being better sounds a lot like the Michael Jordan guys Heath ledger people, having the same debate nobody could be as good as Heath ledger was.

I'm not saying it's better. I'm not saying Joaquin Phoenix was better than the Heath ledger Joker I'm saying they're in the same conversation like what Burns was saying there. It's two different kinds of jokers you got an origin story going up against a fully developed Joker like this, jokers not supposed to be the deviant step ahead of everybody else. Filling this is how we turned into that. That's the premise of the movie. Meanwhile, Heath ledger Joker it is that it's a step ahead of everyone else.

It's DBS. It's brilliant.

It's mastermind type stuff. Case in point example grabbing opinion. I don't know why actually grabbed the pen in my studio as if you guys can see it. What many see this made me think that you want to see me make this pain disappear. We eventually got there. Now it's a really good movie.he's going to win best actor how legit it is in the categories get a look weird because where staring right down the barrel a situation where Joaquin Phoenix is playing the Joker nominated for best actor going up against Adam Sandler in that category and Tom Hanks as Mr. Rogers like where staring at that possibility few months ahead of time to try to prepare you for what might happen if that is the case. Joaquin Phoenix is winning going away yesterday. How was the security of the theaters I know you were worried about the into this my wedding Saturday night I risk my life Saturday night. I did all that talk about how a lot of people do it on Thursday and Friday. Josh Josh, you gotta see this movie with Thursday and Friday I want to see it two more times. I also excited to see this movie again. There was a police officer right outside the Peter I high-fived Sir that may be a suspect trying to stop me if I am not become a lost word never my life both half of police of the phone that have occurred with cultural divide, but possibly cultural divide between the glass year in the law offices at the bit to be Walmarts.

We set up like half of the police, life is as manly as crazy $24 for the ticket. The two tickets AT $24 and my date had $30 worth of light candy/drinks and stuff. The cost is $30 for two drinks to things a candy and popcorn is about 60 bucks for this movie date. Pain that's crying I'm going to go with the movie was good enough but one thing is that it was. I never do.

We got express our 33677716 you're right, host of the drive also obtain welcome through.we got that ball we caught every did you see this idea West last night. I again no spoilers. I feel like I don't want to be the guy on the radio that's telling parents. Hey protect your children from things inside the right don't think you can. All I was thinking is there are parents across America who are caving this week because their kids are writing them sank Batman movie comic book movie this it's it's fine to Add to the comic book movie be don't cave don't listen to them, you'll thank me later. It's very dark, sound advice, it is now almost dark comic book movie I've ever seen.

If you thought the dark night was dark okay on three I want us all to do our best Joker maniacal laugh that we could come up okay one simultaneously to three speaking thing that we can laugh that Mr. Hankins trying to do a little what was speaking of things that we can laugh at Shaq and Dame lowered her added again. I haven't heard most recent Dame lowered rap at the way it went was Dame lowered was asked who he thought was a better rapper himself or Shaq.

So of course he said himself a ridiculous question we ask what you can ask any of the page better than Lebron and they'll say yeah I'm better than the prompt drastically player if there better what you want to say yeah shocks better than me even though I wrap all the time and I claim to be a very good rep but a medicine that comment Jack put out a wrap about Dame Dame responded in kind. I thought Dame crushed Jack.

I did, I didn't think it was close but then Jack felt the need to respond in his first one sounded like it was recorded in his bathroom.

Let's see if it got any better. Okay, before we complete will react what we just heard. Let's let you.

Let's hear the rebuttal, even though we just heard a few seconds on it. Here's Dame lowered is really possible that way and in his sleep. Prof. let me try to relieve even after the audit log cabin on the right is not a wrap once again. I think Willard he proved what he said to whatever interviewer Dame lowered was asked who's a better rapper him or Shaq and I think over the span of two wraps Dame's wraps don't sound like they're in the bathroom and I actually would listen to Damien lowered song shacks just sounds goofy. It sounds goofy and dated Dame lowered. I know question he's crushing chapter of the question is who the better rapper.

After hearing the second one could be switched his flow could never, always coming on. I'll get him about the flow. Jacqueline checks well but actually switched up his flow and the second one.

So if it's about the best rapper between the two. I give the name off of the however it's about who get men who wrapping it. Shaq thanks that's has less ammunition.

The work with a lot of things that Dame lowered can say like if you're going out one of the most popular players ever in the day you asked for this he was asked better rapper is. He said him and he proved that he is the better rapper nobody has to get included into a wrap. He brought it like someone well.

I was really happy they will likely love shack like that's what killed them in the Psalms are batteries better. He's better at rapping then Schachter Road is not dissing them at all like the two phone themes put out. I have not already trying to.

That's why losing it but I don't think he is winning because of quality. Another thing to Shaq is winning because Shaq is using beats that everybody knows Shaq's victory is Biaggi all what we would we firstly we came home, started bobbing her head automatically bought by hand.

I was listening, goofy what you mean. I was bothered by hand.

Me and Aaron are in her listening to him as soon as we start Bob Lundblad but Dame lowered more original Dame lowered to do multiple flows. Dame lowered doesn't sound like he's wrapping in the bathroom.

It's far Dame lowered over Shaquille O'Neal before following slide lowered over Shaquille O'Neal. It's not even close. You are listening to W STS with Bensalem W COG Greensboro WPC in Burlington W MFR high point. Although signals making up sports on dry