The Drive with Josh Graham - Wake Forest AD John Currie on NCAA Ruling

This is dry when Josh Graham drive weekday afternoon. This support is don't be misled by assumptive headlines you see on the NCAA board of governors decision on name image like this NCAA did not do any thing that I'm seeing fan did you even say it's not links can be paying down the to be a commercial very very soon and make money while playing collegiate athlete athletics. They did it take the ESPN headline I see on their front page right now NCAA votes to allow athletes to profit from likeness and when you read some of the statements. It seems like you control that from this unanimous vote from the board of governors saying that they're going to adjust their in IL model quote in a manner consistent with the collegiate model" so there's always that but hang in there yeah were little allow for that to happen we thickets up with, but should happen bought all three divisions of college football need to decide what their models going to be by 2021 so most of the athletes who want to benefit from this. Today won't be able to and 2021 is kind of where they're kicking the can down the road. All we have today.

The NCAA knows they have to change something. That's all they've said here at essentially the same will figure it out by 2021, then you have the full statement and there are several things you could pull already from people reacted to this.

That's nothing more than works out. Desmond, I'm to read you a quote from Michael V. Drake, he's the president at Ohio State. A part of this committee.

The board of governors. Here's the statement he gave on this big new story today you let me know what you get out of this because I read this about three times and there was zero substance I could find.

Here's the quote you try to pick something away from us quote we must embrace change to provide the best possible experience for college athletes.

Additional flexibility in this area can and must continue to support college sports as a part of higher education. This modernization for the future is a natural extension of the numerous steps NCAA members have taken in recent years to improve support for student athletes including full cost of attendance and guaranteed scholarships." What the hell was that our hand is being forced were having to do this we don't want to but we gotta do this or trying to anything in that statement really not gnarly to get all ultimate word salad. Your thoughts are welcome on the subject. It seems like a lot of you want to talk about this Damon image and likeness paper play. It fires people up every single time on Twitter at sports on triad 336-777-1600 is the phone number.

All they're doing is following suit with legislation. You have the California law that was signed by Gavin Newsom that's good going to affect the 2023. The pressure was put on the NCAA. Therefore's bare hand as you said was forced by guys within the sport who are already within athletics who are pretty powerful. Coach K coming out here saying that he agrees with the California law. So this is a move that the NCAA had to make, but they really didn't do anything today so I'm interested in why people are jumping to the conclusion that it's it's all done. It's happened what we talked about for decades. It's finally here now. Not to say this is a step of progress, but just slow your roll a little bit were talking about the NCAA here, and if the NCAA is taught me anything, is that it will find a way to mess this up. They are so susceptible to trying to react to public pressure that they're bound to cave and do so in a way that's not productive and doesn't arrive at what most people agree would be a positive result. I almost went down the road of word salad there a little bit about the NCAA cases, the noteworthy ones complete overreaches an investigation safer Penn State and Jerry Sandusky, a box that going after Schapiro at Miami completely botched.

That investigation can get Miami for really anything Conant pin North Carolina down for all those years, the best recent example was the rice commission. We can all agree there are issues in college basketball right after the FBI is literally investigating investigating coaches in the sport they put together the rice commission and very quickly here they come. If Condoleezza Rice many others demonizing the one and done think that's what's hurting college basketball, then having agents get involved in a way that's just confusing when you read the details of it all and it doesn't really seem like they fix much of the problem at all.

But if it's getting rid of the wanted done, then that's going to satisfy some considering the way that we scapegoated the one done role in my opinion, and maybe that will steer site away from some of the problems that are a little bit more difficult fix here the NCAA. They're going to fight this you thanks the NCAA is just going to pack their stuff take their ball and go home doesn't know the NCAA that well. They bought themselves time to figure out a strategy to fight this.

That's what today's headline is they've bought time until 2021 to figure out how they can maintain this college model it's benefited them for more than it's benefited the star athlete brochure.

They're going to figure out a way to compromise this to compromise where things are headed and how they can keep things the same as much as possible. Figure out what exactly that is so don't quite jump as far as many are today saying that it happened it's done. Damon image and likeness. It's going to happen for college athletes. I'm not at that point yet will get Wake Forest Dir. of Athletics John Curry's thoughts on the subject and a little less than 25 minutes he will join us ahead of a massive game for Wake Forest coming off the open date.

The deeps will be hosting NC State noon kickoff time tickets are still available for this game.

I expected to be a very good crowd. I just don't know really who do expect playing quarterback because I went to Coach Clawson's press conference earlier today. It was the number one question on everybody's mind is Newman going to return Jamie Newman after missing the Florida State game. We get a depth chart. Sam Hartman's name is printed right next to Newman's. So that's when my concern started then when I heard what Coach Clawson had to say. When I asked him what's going to be the decisive factor in Hartman or Newman getting the star against the Wolfpack. I became even more concerned for QB 12-year-old Jamie can go though not Sam. If Jamie can go go go Jamie Carico sale that answer tells us so much.

It tells us that this shoulder injury that Jamie Newman has is more serious than we originally expected. It's his non-throwing left shoulder. Remember, game day, we were unsure if he was going to play against the seminal sum expected Newman to go, then the game ends Clawson kind of gave a similar answer when I asked him when did you decide Sam Hartman was going to be starting this game but I figured with the bye week and having this game off.

It was a situation they thought they could win with Hartman keep them engaged. This is a quarterback you're gonna want to have redshirted this year and you complain in four games this season. Why not get them acclimated and then next next two years is gonna remain Wake Forest be a big part of your future. I understand all that but it was all under the understanding that if Newman is healthy 100%. He's going to be the starter. This seems like he's far from that. Or at least a couple weeks ago was far from that. Now my going as far to say that I'm concerned that he's going to return Clawson in the past hasn't taken chances with that, he announced after the Syracuse game that Hartman is done for the year last season, and I believe Newman is going to return it could be against NC State.

The fact that this is a question today and that he answers in that regard. If Jamie is healthy he will go if he can go. He will go has been concerned about how injured that shoulder really is Hartman's a good alternative, but not nearly as good as Jamie is Jamie's more surehanded, less careless with the football trust the pocket a little bit more. He was the best quarterback in the ACC for about a month.

Also, Jamie's had a great run against North Carolina schools don't look now but his first career start was against NC State in Raleigh last year spoiling Ryan Finley Senior died then in the regular-season finale Wake Forest needed the wind to be bowl eligible big cream Daniel Jones and Duke 59 to 7 beat North Carolina earlier this year be Elon. Jamie Newman is a North Carolina killer here every team he spaced from the state of North Carolina. He's beaten will he get another shot against NC State will continue to follow that as the week goes on. I got a 30 for 30 liked easier for you ready for this bit me.

What if I told you game seven wasn't the best two words in sports yeah okay that's next on the draft as we get to RJ for the truth is joy at the bottom of the cereal box got your on a drive with Josh Gray sports hub triad is the end. NC State travel well stating that always packed house while it will be a great environment for college that states Clawson ahead of this weekend's game against the state noon kickoff time tickets are still available for this game in order.com for the ticket office 336-758-3322 were now being joined by the director of athletics at Wake Forest University. John Curry and before we get to the football. John, I have to get your thoughts on the breaking news that has just come down in the last hour and 1/2. The NCAA, the board of governors voting to put some sort of legislation together by 2021 at all three levels of three divisions of college athletics in terms of finding something that works approving a model for athletes to benefit off their name, image and likeness and line with the law that was signed by California Gov. Gavin Newsom what is your view on this envelope across the board of governors got there very there is an excellent working group that was created last spring, trying to look at the roadmap of the framework Thursday for such a move. One important thing to mention to the board of governors. Our statement is that they're expecting all three divisions AA to come up with their own interpretations and guidelines so to speak. The reality is that there thousand AA institution 351 Division I institutions are 65. Power five. Thoracotomy five is the correct term, which of course Wake Forest is one of only 65 schools in the country. The power five autonomous five creation in all of the circumstances of those intrusions are dramatically different and the value provided in the form of a college education. College scholarship is dramatically different. Certainly Wake Forest were tuition tuition scholarship is about $75,000 year $300,000 base value tax-free right off the bat. That's enormously different than what another schools of education might be more vanished away for student athletes out trying to figure out how to adapt to the need to continue to recognize modernization and continued expansion of the scholarship is a challenge across without mercy. The board of governors mandate needs to happen relate in IL is important. There are some that think this is a massive headline today. There are others that say let's wait and see what they come up with for the three divisions of the NCAA by 2021 how big of a deal. Do you believe today. Today was important because it it it does recognize that the the higher leadership of the enterprise understand that it's not something we can keep kicking down the road, regardless of whether or not popular sentiment is realistic or correct it is. It is a fairly evident or persuasive persuaded you abide by the public need. The public sports media.

It's overdue. You know that you can you can do again pretty deep into technical details, none of which fit into 260 or 280 character tweets because it is a complex issue, but it is time that we make a step forward, just as we did three or four years ago when Pres. Hatch was the president and chairman of the Board of Directors in 20 autonomy division was created which resulted in the cost of the tenant stipend being added to Dr. scholarship. So we need to take another step, and this is an important moment in embracing the fact that this is something that needs to. To happen a modernization of the rules while we protect the collegiate model, which is a valuable model for student athletes across the board evolving to reflect the reality of the environment it's Wake Forest Dir. of Athletics John Curry ahead of NC State Wake Forest noon kickoff time on Saturday as the geeks in this week's AP poll 23rd in the country. We want to talk about coaches: a people any longer. After tomorrow, because in all likelihood the geeks will be a part of the first college football playoff rankings when they are announced.

Give me the latest on what's supposed to be a massive game here in the state of North Carolina on Saturday where you at this second when it comes to ticket sales that were sold out for this game. It's also parents our family weekend here with fairly Wake Forest so it got a lot of parents and loved ones of our way, the game I would have a great crowd, but there's still time for the listener to go ahead. Go to Codex.com and pick up a perfect reminder to cost her help you in your mind. There is no one-size-fits-all. In terms of what the perfect kickoff. II think in this case having daytime kickback. We had 27 30 PX is preferential certainly on August 31 at noon kickoff bring the heat uncomfortable. On November 2 noon kickoff pretty darn good.

Earlier in September.

Families probably have more activities on started morning later into October, November, earlier in the day becomes helpful to recognize the impact that 730 kickoff the last two games… Somewhat of a challenge for some folks, but on the other hand, we also hear from people you can't get to a new game to work during the day so one-size-fits-all that I think is a nice change of pace after the couple making Chicago and listeners in a bad seat in the house and BB&T feel like I'm just being completely honest here.

Not to say that because John's with this right now to get started $55 for this game and its NC state it's Wake Forest. It's a ranked football team in the weather supposed to be good. It's the first couple days of November. I want to see this place packed now, what would it mean to you to hear this game sold out well. Look forward to our goal and we talked about having a different experience than they look. Your allotted us what you said earlier doubtfully right we have, we all come to game a parking close to the stadium get in and out easier. We continue to have progress on the highways around the community. This is a great place to come watch the ballgame and get back in go out to dinner at one of our fine area restaurant second game. We also have you were down to that dollar tickets for the game but to do game in a few weeks we exit to get started $20 with a few more available for that game. So we want everybody to be here this weekend and then back here will recognize the senior class in a few more weeks find that Codex.com is a very big way to go contrary with this or have you been satisfied with the support you begin with football because I know that something you were very you were. It was very important to you.

Going into the absolutely best student attendance.

We had probably 10 years in over 3050% of our student body in attendance for the first couple games 2000 per couple games out of city game all very game of the left not because many of our students read account and in the community support is been really really good as well.

We got continue to spread the message that it's easy to get Wake Forest football games. Everybody's welcome. You'll have to go to school here. This is a tried steam this is what the sales team and talked earlier about the economy. Five and the power to verse 64 cities in America that have a power five athletics program with Salem is one of their budget cities in America would love to have power.

Five. Athletics and school that come into play at the highest level college athletics in their community and we need to continue to work hard to strong relationships and a stronger hometown feel like we've made great progress this year also believe that if you look at our coaching staff across the board.

Danny Manning and Jane Hoover been all around town grade students.

Different groups are delivering tickets personally over the last couple weeks for basketball season which starts next week. I really believe that our coaches across the border done a great job of responding to that that need to continue to be out and invite folks to come to bark are our ballgames and deacon ambassadors program the football about this program has helped put a lot of groups and gaps in the stadium who have not otherwise have. All of BB&T feel that way. Continue work on service options like that on the fan zone live band out there started 9 o'clock in the morning banded men in black games and people enjoy that as well. As well Dr. you know you have a special day with the deep speak to baffle program and have an open scrimmage starting at 950 Joel Coliseum seeking cloud over everyone apart absolutely free to go over the Coliseum watch watch and practice a little bit of scrimmage situation is not full-blown scrimmage, so to speak, but scrimmage situation. CRT see the seats are available for sale for this coming season, and we have four or five other team to be there signing autographs and just visiting visiting with fans that can do a really nice baseball, basketball, field hockey, golf, soccer, tennis, cross-country and track athlete will be there making such a great opportunity if you're in the community yeah kids that you want to expose them to elite college athletes world-class student athletes right here Wake Forest and then you can go right over and watch the football game. I Left little bit of the band there down the fan zone and see you said earlier on top 25 football squad that's played really well again.

She states that are starting to quarterback this week so we need lots of noise to get on a little bit and we got a national European audience so you love the network, but we talk about exposure.

The ESPN name mainline channel means that this thing is going to be seen in every television set America so we will witness on the Wake Forest be well represented with those cameras, starting for NC state as we force times when their third consecutive game under Coach Clawson against the Wolfpack since you mentioned the opportunity with decedent Danny Manning steam at that scrimmage is short scrimmage like situation the practice they had before the noon kickoff on Saturday. We are a week before the start of the college basketball season officially before we let you go where you in favor of the 20 game ACC schedule working to see for the first time this year but certainly aware in terms of having a great home flight in favor of the competition. Certainly I make a challenging schedule even more challenging but again you look at what North Carolina will have 10 conference basketball games in Winston-Salem. Dr. Virginia, and Salem was dark horse drawn to Duke energy state before the agitator that so 14 home games and 10 of those 14 home games are a few school of 11 game and gave you a pretty good schedule and as you know, just one of the great option for geeks is the deacon mobile pass which is right now the hundred $50 and goes up to $200 on Thursday, but it guarantees a fan ticket for every man and every women basketball game this year, Joel Coliseum. After that the heck of a deal. How does it affect scheduling basketball for a new you said that you make things more difficult to schedule altogether, but with this 20 game schedule.

Are we just gonna see if you were. I don't want to pick out any schools but lesser D ones playing power. Five schools are going to see lesser, less Zagat versus North Carolina home in homes that the first when it comes to mind for me where it actually does make it a little easier. Could you not going to get as many games from a culture perspective.

The schedule is more difficult.

The flight that you're playing it much more difficult it is it so hard to win a championship in the league and it got a little article you got two more games you gotta get through your comment about what is it affect negatively, maybe it maybe it's one guarantee game last.

It certainly does give pause to figure out how many times you you can go on the road. You know I'm not personally one of the unfortunate things about both events are likely played a tournament in California which is a need tournament three games, but those are all games are on campuses. I wish those tournaments were to gain so we can have one of the other games on campus but nevertheless it is what it is converted continue to have a great schedule basketball agile call to get too far down the line and she states this week and once again@noonkickofftimecodex.com you can learn more information and the doors open at the Joel Coliseum for the men's basketball practice at 915 in the morning and an opportunity to meet the other sports.

To appreciate the information and the insight John. It certainly appreciate Dr. Craig for let me go with that. Well weren't you click why on the golf channel. Geeks are currently in the lead on the men's side work format. One N. pot on the limits to matches were added to work out a warning word down and choose show the Eastlake, use the top four golf programs in America for the man in the top four golf program America for the women. Wake Forest is the only school with both its men's and women's programs. In the event so I will also keep the radio on and listen to you Josh that you can have golf channel on the background so you can keep up with the channel mixer we get it on the golf channel because I was excited. So in the spring. Certainly golf Wake Forest that's that's that's big time stuff whenever you're talking about men's or women's. John Pritchett that's done for you on twitter follow the director of athletics at Wake Forest at John_Kurt given everybody some love in here were all about that, why did this NCAA decision come today.

Why did the NCAA act now on and I is next on the sports talk.

If you're talking about it. We're talking about this radio drive with Josh Graham massive trade made in the NFL today.

Now that the trade deadline is past. He believed traded from the Rams to the fifth-round draft going back to the ramp, massive stuff that's going to affect the playoff races all across the league and that's essentially this is what you want me to be excited about Neil before your God. The cell and the trade deadline Thursday, and Pat Brown.

Everyone thought they should do something. They state that the Browns are a funny deal. I don't want to get open aside, it's hilarious how many people are mad at me as all these TV commercial you try winning the game new/you could be damn good at football and do TV at okay. It's one of the dumbest takes I've ever heard in sports that somebody is great or bad, or to be somebody is bad because they're spending too much time doing GQ interviews or dare I say appearing in these commercials. I happen to like the Baker commercials.

They're all funny. I can being in the Brown Stadium and watching a movie on the big screen with this girl then she wants a popcorn so we walks all the way down onto the field. It gets to the concourse and then walks all the way back with the soda as well. She says where's my strong and it hasn't getting back up believing it commercials a great to get out Baker Mayfield back for try to make a buck was I talking about trade deadline, massive stuff keep to leave it really was two weeks ago where the hobbits a new jail in Ramsey being traded which are moderate names, but the bells never been a hot the MBA or major-league baseball deadlines down in terms of the appeal of those days because the star simply don't get traded in the NFL. Like, what is the equivalent genuinely interested. What is the equivalent in major-league baseball works is in the NFL to a top player being traded in the MBA like what would it have to be because the MBA I would say six of the 10 most recognizable athletes in the country are NBA players terms of popularity in terms of stars, Braun staff harden payday if you go down that list. Harden and I reset hard on us now only bleeped this said, for names that one of them was harden from one state right yet Zion is probably right on the border of that which is crazy. Zion is more popular, more recognizable, then every single NFL player, but Brady I go as far to say that. So there really isn't equivalent here like it would take quarterbacks being traded in order for this to be massive. Now I understand fantasy football is a lot more popular. The fantasy basketball or major-league baseball's fantasy leagues so people actually are really paying attention to see if Robbie Anderson is good to be traded for 1/4 round draft pick. That's what the Jets were wanting a return. Nobody bid on that, but it's hard for me to really get excited about left tackles being shopped like Trent Williams didn't go anywhere. I think a lot of that has to do with nature than FO itself because the value in NFL player space at their store there probably under the age of 30, so there probably on the first contract so it's not really beneficial for the team to trade them because her get.

I much lower hold up the biggest stars of the game are quarterbacks in the best quarterbacks are over 30 fusing them. I mean, you're saying unless the quarterback will probably see his appetite happened. I'm saying we probably don't because the nature of the NFL. They tend to go younger with these types of skill player what what why don't quarterbacks get traded, why doesn't that happen. Well, I mean teams pre-much own you mean once you get traded in the season last year but he wasn't starting for the jets right reason I got traded was because Donald was starting those games, but who who's stopping Andy Dalton for being traded to the Chicago Bears with wanting to Dalton that risky right now. Yeah, I mean, there's really only a handful quarterbacks really believe that you would trade for a night there definitely 15 to 17 quarterbacks who it would be the biggest story in sports for a week if they were traded. Evolution seven quarterback will just give up is my question. I may well give up so much would it be worth pursuing those point considering jail in Ramsey cost how much to first rounders first rounders, and adding 1/4. That's Deion Sanders type of bounty to me like you to write rounders. What would the quarterbacks cost me what like take Aaron Rodgers is what 35 but he's clearly one of the top two quarterback storm again today right how much we take pride Aaron Rodgers away from the Packers by first rounders. I don't and that's why it doesn't happen, but in the MBA. You do see trade like this and the major-league baseball deadlines almost an annual think rentals and players of that nature will audit soon MBA.

I think the players have more control now than NFL players to much later time was that the NFL is trying you see guys there are more trades than they are normally have been perfect. Ramsey Mohammed Sununu. I was really surprised Ajay Greene to go anywhere any of those tingles get traded not think so you know Atkins didn't know none of them I hurt nobody got traded upper management decided they were all stuck together for the rest of the year Ryan Finley fire them up how you feel. If you're looking to leap today. You wake up and realize you been traded to the worst team in NFL Utah money ball like eight months ago on the head and it hurt right now hand to rehab in Miami and I love you notice there's no state income tax in Miami that is also valid as I'd say there are worse places. If you get shipped off to Cincinnati Cincinnati in the winter is not great in Ohio in the winter like I can assume it's probably still suboptimal.

The best way to talk about that I'm looking at my ACC rankings that they were going to join us, will discuss what we have here every week and ACC sports.com and put it on your if your ranking the top of the ACC.

How you do it because my rankings. Indeed, these rankings are completely different like let's go through. Let's just go through the top man this is so much fluctuation between what DG believes and what I believe when it comes to the ACC like let's go one through 10. I like to go all the way to 14 because we all agree states in the bottom for Syracuse Georgia Tech Boston College their bad those 40 but Mandy deep were in agreement.

Shocker Clemson is the number one team in the ACC number two I had Wake Forest DG had Louisville because Louisville beat wake. He has wake third, I am Louisville third, I am Louisville third, fourth, I have North Carolina over Virginia. He has Virginia and Virginia Tech over North Carolina because Virginia Tech had to head has been the target.

So here's one through six. Clemson Louisville Wake Forest Virginia Virginia Tech North Carolina mine Clemson Wake Forest Louisville North Carolina four. Virginia, 5 to 6 pit for him.

He has Miami over pit because Miami this past weekend, you guessed it be Pittsburgh. I'm not basing anything off one result because there's so many things he could have his disqualifiers one over Virginia because Virginia North Carolina does not have a bad loss this year. I think North Carolina is the favorite to win the coastal if you asked me today Virginia Tech if they went out will have a tiebreaker over North Carolina bought the Tar Heels they only have three more games left the plane ACC black bear at home against Virginia.

I think the wind this week and Virginia is banged up in my Bryce Hall. The Tar Heels are getting miles will flip back better coach better quarterback real home crowd prime time game I like North Carolina to win that game, but the rest of it is is anybody's guess, like differentiate who's better between Miami Virginia Tech pit and Florida State ON Duke. Good luck. How do you begin to figure out was better between pit Duke, Virginia Tech, Miami and Florida State. How housewife this is Pittsburgh. Things like that team.

It's always floating under like the consciousness of like the regular fan and end up being towards the top of the coastal as people make fun of the coastal division, and rightfully so.

Three of the worst four teams in the ACC are in the Atlantic BC state and Syracuse are three of the four were stained.

So while you pick fun at the coastal BC NC state Syracuse would still be equally as bad. I think if they were in the coastal division. I really believe that Yahweh I would take Miami over NC state right now any day so or even Georgia Tech over Syracuse or Boston College right there is a very important headline that we need to talk about here and I'm not talking about the NCAA stuff will get to that in the 565 and beyond. That would DG in such there is a Tennessee man filing a lawsuit against Popeyes for running out of chicken sandwiches. It's going to trial on Monday or Tuesday. Another trial set for January 8. Yesterday they said that trial date.

This guy is seeking $5000 after allegedly experiencing quote emotional damages and wasted time." He claims the companies liable for damages to his car which was allegedly inflicted by driving back and forth to different restaurant locations while attempting to purchase said sandwich are to bring this thing back yeah buddy come back Monday I am ready ready is no way that the sandwich meets the hype row I classify. I was fast food the same way as execs and I'm probably more skeptical than you are when it comes to chicken its fast food. I don't think you are more skeptical than I am when it comes to chicken say when I am very tired, like one of the most skeptical people you'll ever meet someone ask a conversation with Josh dear judge mental and I always say are you kidding me I get to be judgmental. My job is judgmental you. I want to write your judge mental note bleep going up to an accountant saying you're good at math you like numbers like numbers your judge mental you like it took place in which you like to say which was actually not as ask me sandwich guy. I like Zaxby's sandwich I my life was changed when I got the spicy sandwich changed everything. I never got the chicken sandwich at cookout, but Jim's Angel just in the press box on Saturday was the Tar Heels after he came on the show Davis cookout order was very excited to do so. He's he said that is very excited. He he said he gotta try the ticket sellers that added a good chicken sandwich at cookout unaware man. I thought the same thing and then I sat down in my kitchen and bit into one and it changed my life. I got I do not expect it to happen the way you did. That's what I want to share don't believe you.

I want, I didn't believe it either as a standalone for two hours for chicken sandwiches makes no sense. And then I did with the church folk on Sunday and was everything about it would be everyone call me a hipster for saying this. It's fine if I sound etc. like an elitist with his pinky finger up. I don't like being told I likes I'm gonna like something see that's the problem. I don't like it. That's the problem right there you will be told that's that's human nature. No.

When I sold educational material, door to door in Texas. We had the great sales paradox. Would you like to hear the great sales paradox.

It's one of the most helpful things I've ever learned it's something you can apply to every facet of your life, not just sales. Are you ready for this cohort. People hate being sold on things we hate being sold on things more than anything in our life like we hate it. We don't like being so like when somebody it's like when you're waking up when you're kidding your mom says breakfast is ready. We got food get out of bed and you don't get up quickly.

Why did you don't doesn't want to appease that woman doesn't want you to appease her get up even though you know damn well you what that practice. You want that food why don't like being sold on things. On the flipside, us Americans. We love to buy stuff just has to be all right.

You can lead a horse to water right. We got a drink of water right.

We hate being sold on things. However, we love to buy stuff. So when people say the love Game of thrones. More than anything ever. Oh my God, there's no way you can you can dislike Game of thrones at Scott Boone's a lot of foods, like the World Series the other night like right I don't want to go just to simply appease those people.

I don't appease them.

I would be sold on something I find Game of thrones, and watch it wanting this makes me sound like a hipster.

It's completely fine. I don't like being the guy was being sold the most popular thing out there. Both those things you said are true, but we also live in a world where people will buy or do something unless the recommendations and reviews are fantastic. You look at reviews you save. It's forthright. By utilizing those that you being so that helps convince you, though, that decided to watch the true and what I avoided those reviews. I don't. I'm not a big review guy before I do watch that strange. As you watch a lot of movies I want to tell a movie I would think that I go to the theater. I don't do that now try to pick a movie from Netflix yesterday is what you've got mail very outdated movie with Tom Hanks and Meg Ryan OSHA research. I'm not, I will search what Roger Ebert rings that movie back in 1997, whatever you do, that when I'm at home I don't waste my time on my couch watching a movie that's bad.

I don't want to do that the theater if it's something I'm interested in. I'll go and I don't want to have any other opinion. As I walk in the theater. I'm here to listen on here is that you don't like chickens much that I love chicken. Your love is what I'm sick and tired of everybody telling me how much like this, so couldn't stop it's good listening to W STS Winston-Salem WCL to Greensboro UPC umbrella to WMF or Highpoint signals making up sports hub triad is dry okay thank you Josh Gray Fox sports hard drive has been.

I got to know are you playing this because you like the song is called single field of say a sentence on sports talk radio that's never been said before, I like to say no one's ever said in the history of sports radio on the air. I like you highly misrepresent popularity of the back merely by my type of music is more popular the credit for.

I was in Winston-Salem and I went to this bar on labor day Sunday, the day before everybody was off and said hey want to hang out the got live music okay cool and there were other people like a lot a lot of people stage and it turned out to be fuel was performing like you. The cousins everybody has that sound the same sound to give it to you right now.

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We have our weekly rankings up every week for ACC football one through 14, a week from today will be talking about the start of college basketball season, but we have this massive NCAA headline from the day that I'm trying to figure out just how massive it is because really it's just the NCAA saying yeah we agree with what Gavin Newsom signed in California about name, image and likeness, but we don't have to present any legislation, any rules for our three levels are three divisions of the NCAA until 2021 how big of a deal. Do you believe it to be digit the empty AA for the first time ever on the record, it's okay with us moving forward at some point he failed to be an out much later that it's okay for the college athletes to make money off their names there likeness their image that Beth unplowed territory that is straying from an amateurism model that is been in place for more than 100 years and that is a big deal. Now they've been in the relief several things. One, probably no implementation until 2021. Another thing that have to be structured in a way that the money either to be allowed to take now is not in the form of recruiting and boost your own big company and hide the big spokesman money. The idea that you will enroll at the school are fine with that school. All works of detail that have to be plowed through all but that doesn't mean it. Nothing day. It matters that the detail down the road matter a lot more than the legally speaking, what interests you most about the statements put out clear. I think you and I have discussed the fork in the road where the NCAA could have gone and we all bet against this, but they could've gone wild wild West and they could've just said you know what, as long as you're not taken money specifically to perform at court right that would make you a true professional basketball player taking money to play and film exhibition game or some semi pro game that is not that road is not crossed what they could all other money third-party you know were not deregulated or not to control it were not for middleman and instead of course they tend to go the regulation route and there are going to be a lot of legal questions about what they are allowed to limit. For example, what if the NCAA Josh said you're the athlete you're collecting this money as a spokesperson person or for signing autographs or for allowing a video game to username and likeness in their product may be the NCAA said you know what they've got to go through to negotiate with you, or they can talk to you directly, but we have to hold the money or we hold the money until the end of your career with this universe. The NCAA tends to like to control and today statement made clear they're not gone wild wild West. They are going to pay attention and try to govern something that is going to be hard to govern because imagine just the booster that wants to pay you start athlete to be a pitchman and what you really want is for you to stay in his glorified school that he offers a $50,000 is the NCAA really good, they will thousand dollars pitchman to be on the billboard for Billy Bob's tractors right or is it really $20,000 pitchman and $30,000 in a silent understood you'd better stay at my school or your never get you the rest of that money.

I mean, good luck reading people's minds good lock arguing over what fair market value is what all of those headaches are awaiting us. And as long as the NCAA to regulate this and again. Clearly, there gonna try different and new criticisms of the NCAA, even as their opening the side door to this kind of third-party money but also it's the see how the NCAA is going to try and regulate it or if they're going to follow through in the way people are assuming they're going to because while we see these headline saying that all it's going to happen. They're going to allow for athletes profit off their name, image and likeness.

All of those are couched with word salad statements and also I think in the first statement put out with the quote in a manner consistent with the collegiate model" waited is not in any way.

There's nothing about this idea of allowing athletes profit from there likeness that is in any way consistent with the collegiate model were also seen this idea about the modernization of the collegiate model John Curry with forces director of athletics was with us earlier in the show and he even said it's a big step that they're willing to acknowledge this and try to attack it had on.

I just am incredibly skeptical about the NCAA here because I think they're going to fight this tooth and nail, and they just bought themselves a little bit of time by having that window by 2021. In doing so, this is the same NCAA Digi overreached with the Penn State stuff and overreached Shapiro in Miami and and also you. Many have opinions both ways on the rice commission how productive that actually was the college basketball probe and of course the North Carolina academic scandal. Why should I believe the NCAA is in fact better start doing the right thing here. You believe that you believe that there cracking the door for a new kind of compensation athlete that had never been proved permissible for that is a big deal and I think you're underestimating the size of the change year right where you're right it to be skeptical. The NCAA is truly a seasoned professional. Kicking the can down the road. I mean, how long did they delay unlimited meals for at that was written there were truly years ago where athletes would have finished the final swipe on their meal plan and if you're from a certain background. You don't have money from home and you truly have the proverbial starving athlete in a sport that had become a multibillion-dollar industry that was outrageous. Everybody knew that was outrageous and eventually it became such an issue in the public forum just like a new rule was adopted now with limitless meals for athletes that happened out of the goodness of the PAA heart no. It happened after they were taking a pounding in the court of public opinion. When did the cost of attendance adjustment happened when revenue was so big that we should have re-examined the athlete deserve more than rewards which are no decade after the NCAA became a megamillion and then multibillion-dollar industry. It was within this current decade that they finally got this cost of attendance adjustment month, adjustment money that in a fair, do the right thing world they would've gone, probably in the 1990s, if not for decade behind truly doing the right thing on the right timetable and you're right to be skeptical about the timetable here, but there drawing lines already that you can see, you can't make this third-party money recruiting inducement or to still be against the rules, you can't make this money for athletic performance for athletic participation. That's true professional type stuff that remains prohibited, but the billboard stuff in the California law that helped propel the end PAA can forward or even these other state-by-state proposal. The billboard pitch man is going to be in play.

The autograph signing for money are going to be in play.

The car dealership that has you doing appearance date is going to be in play and that is blurry for the NCAA. We know all the details until 2021 this weekend. It's a massive ACC football game with North Carolina hosting Virginia. Both teams are three and two in the coastal tied for the lead in the coastal with the moment which also means after this game. They each only have to ACC games remaining this season. I think the winner of this game is going to win the coastal division. If I had to pick one of the two I probably say North Carolina because they're a little bit healthier rice hulls out with Virginia.

One of the best players in the country at his position. Miles Woolfolk likely to return to North Carolina there at home, you and I both saw it Saturday. These crowds are legitimate sellout crowds. I'm getting the better coach.

I think in Hall of Famer background. I'm also getting a slightly better quarterback to exam how overpriced Perkins how do you see the matchup and what it might mean in the overall big picture of the ACC, unpredictable, and I agree with you that UNC will be probably the best bet in the coastal route coastal chaos that mean a whole lot.

I certainly would not count out forever.

Only had two conference losses. Virginia Tech only has two copper flaws and pits remaining schedule is at a lowly Georgia Tech team Carolina up in Pittsburgh on Thursday night national TV at Virginia Tech, which is five into and then home against Boston College.

Those are very winnable games for the Pitt Panthers and they did take the trip to Charlotte last year so I don't think we can sleep on them. I like your breakdown of UVA at UNC Tar Heels are at home. The Tar Heels may be getting lightly healthier with some guys back from injury even as you mentioned right all about UVA's best player, Bryce Perkins, the starting quarterback really beat up between eight behind a problematic offense of line that was by Louisville this past weekend, so it's crazy to say on October 29, of the particles are only four and four at home.

They should be UVA Cavaliers.

They should get to five and four. They should get before into and again the conference play and that would give background a shot at a trip to an eight game I in the same year that most predicted videos would be at the bottom of the division no matter what the you'll have taken a big step forward in year one of the background can they connect the dots and make that magical man, they could be anywhere from five and seven and missing a bowl eight and four and Planck's constant in the ATP title game. That's how chaotic the coastal live and I think that Mark still applies to the Tar Heels and everybody else at Wake Forest, NC State on Saturday would be enjoyed by David Glenn early afternoon house. Follow him on Twitter at unsolicited lunch at noon to three euros for some triad NC State knows it or to be starting.

It's the third quarterback starting this year and Devon Leary, the redshirt freshman who is going up against the earlier today I went to Dave Clawson's press conference and I saw on a depth chart. Sam Hartman and Jamie noon at the very top.

So I asked folks.

Clawson hey, what gives here what's going to decide who starts at quarterback and here's what Clawson had to say earlier today you Jamie can go go go.

If Jamie can go go go Jamie can go Sam so you and I were discussing the day of the floor.

Yeah, you and I were discussing who was going to start against Florida State. We saw Jamie Newman walking in the Deke walk.

He didn't have anything around his is not throwing left shoulder and it we thought legitimately.

There is a chance to play against the Seminoles. It's been a bye week since and it seems like he still banged up, how concerned after hearing that should defense be about Jamie Newman.

Yeah, I'd be concerned.

We don't know how much I give Dave Clawson credit, he did not get involved in any shenanigans year ago when Sam Hartman got he didn't play any of the gamesmanship games meant misdirection enforcer opponent care for two quarterbacks and he is a man of integrity. So I think some of the criticism of him. Right now, not from you.her mother's is speculative to be at best to be nice about it. There is sometimes an advance your opponent not knowing what was going to wrap up the chinstrap in this case I take Dave Clawson for his word.

We all know anybody been an athlete is overcoming something as a left-handed pitcher. I can tell you there were days that my shoulder hurt so bad I couldn't go about my coach said he is ready. You get the start tonight and I think that's where Jamie Newman is I even after an off week you think you have more information. We don't so NC state has to prepare for two. I think significantly different styles of quarterback and that doesn't make it easy for a team that you know in a position that might be my next scratch and claw just to get into a ballgame beat wake all the other five and three and looking good. They lose their form for and I think some wolves will be howling that QB situation.

It wake doesn't make Dave during the defense of Javanese DD good to hear from you man a lot of stuff going on basketball. Starting next week and got a couple ranked teams in this area in the state of North Carolina appreciate you spinning some time with just take your bike got that's data going noon to three right here on sports am trying to give Melissa tomorrow were to be joined by the Hall of Fame sportswriter from the sporting news Mike to Corsi on Thursday. It will be NC State head coach Dave Doran and also will get into Appalachian states Halloween matchup with Georgia Southern in a be a night game at the rock this week so the exciting stuff