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Said the face north Carolina for the first time this year.

Saturday inside the Smith Center. We got beat on the unofficial mascot of cardio basketball hanging out with us. I felt like last night's game for Duke was the perfect game, but the blue Devils needed ahead of their first matchup with the Tar Heels because they flat-out overlooked an ACC team on the road and still found a way to win. It reminds me of something Dabo Sweeney said after the barrel, he snuck past the Tar Heels in football. Last year it was the closest regular-season game 2120 game ends. Dabo's hike that I believe in learning lessons after you lose, but I'm not even a bigger fan of having lessons to learn and still winning and that's what Clemson did.

They began to dominate, dominate, from that point on throughout the season for Duke. We don't have to speculate that Duke Overlook Boston College.

Most times we have to read the details, see if they locked-in in specific areas how they did early on in the game. No we don't do that would last coach K said it himself. This is from the Duke head coach after the blue Devils barely snuck by Boston College and Chestnut Hill diversity was said was very troubled. That's the main adverse stupid not to listen for today's I do want to watch the recent plan grade coach these kids play their voxel. I thought that even better than what I've seen the last Duke fell behind 16 nothing fell behind 12 to score 21 points in the first chapter more trailing so it was evident that they weren't where they needed to be from the start of this game but they still want Trey Jones and Joey Baker. They rescued Duke Trey played 38 minutes nobody had more points than trays. 18. Nobody on Duke had more than 30 minutes played, and again Trey 38 Joey Baker he had the only three for Duke last night. The payment of the second half. He had to, and ones as well. The reason why I think it's the perfect game for Duke ahead of North Carolina. The next three days B.they are going to be about what how bad North Carolina has been this year. That's what the national merit is going to be. This is the greatest national college basketball rivalry in the country. A lot of people organ the logic so the national narrative is going to be what's unique, and that is just how much North Carolina has struggled so coach Kate Skinner reemphasized what he just said Annette Prescott what happened with Boston College. It's good for Duke that they found a way to win. It's better for Duke that they got the slow start out of their way gets Boston College and K have the ammunition to tell his guys don't listen to the Josh grahams of the world and the media.

What they have to say. Don't listen to them, saying how much better you are than them.

If you think that way you can get beaten because that's Boston College and on the other side those of the Tar Heels and this is a national rivalry you been watching your entire life.

Nothing changes you like experience and the thing that was good for Duke winning last night from a Tar Heel perspective. At least this is how I feel. I didn't want Boston College to be because I think that would've focused too much. I like them, yes the coming crispy. Yes exactly like I would not lose back to back.

I think I've only lost one other time the season that's about when the law Clemson and I think Louisville like some of you are saying this is going to lose back to back games so to think they would've lost Boston College and then came to the game. Don't lost where I don't think that was unhappy so I like them one giving us some good footage to look at.

We got some good material that would look laughing Garrison Brooks can dominate learning, carry on and so I think you can outplay him not dominating but I think you can outplay it. I don't think it's all about Kerry.

Aside from Vernon Duke as a team that hasn't consistently rebounded.

North Carolina is number one in the country and rebounded.

So if you're looking for. The angle for North Carolina beating its this Trey don't Kevin Gloria Alex O'Connell eight number one in Chapel Hill, North Carolina is one the last three meetings inside the Smith Center. When these teams are quite Duke. They struggled handling primary ball handlers dribble penetration call Anthony. He is going to be a lottery ticket point guard and it's not because of how he shares the basketball how he drives so that coal Trey Jones matchup is going to be essential as well. It's that where you outrebounded which North Carolina is certainly capable of doing and you win a matchup call Anthony versus Trey Jones that's how it happens because you know you're going to get guys trying to contribute all over the place.

In this game guys are gonna be up and usually it's the home team that has the ancillary guys off the bench giving you contributions you want to expect going so I think working on has a good shot at winning against Dick on Saturday I won't go as far to say there going to win, but I believe they have a good shot to give you an opportunity W.you are the unofficial mascot of cardio basketball all throughout this week having former blue Devils and former Tar Heels on to talk about the big game we've already had on this week. Joe Wolf, the head coach of the Greensboro swarm we had on Eric Montross Eric Montross a guest on today show John Swofford, former Tar Heel A.D. the Commissioner, the Atlantic Coast conference coming up and also tomorrow working to have former coach K assisted crispy: on the shelves are working to hear every angle of this game but you are somebody people go to for motivation on the Tar Heel front.

So every time you're in your we give you just a minute or two to try and speak to the Tar Heel fan base. The triad Sawyer fire up the theme music, fire up the fight song. I got a big game Saturday coming off the lights out. I think the Starbucks got a call from 2020. Maybe himself God just like you and watches all would know about the game is to watch.

I've been up and down just like you right now how light or a 50 tournament right here in Greensboro we got a job on the table right down. That is the saddest message I've ever heard to the Tar Heel nation from B.from the three live crew from wild and now he's going to be on the swarm game the night he's going to be running the joint and thanks to Doug Beamer. He's going to be well, as Robert Walsh and Sawyer Dylan go head-to-head in a tricycle race later on tonight so that's one of the things going on at the periphery of the show were broadcasting live from kickback jacks, the new Garden Road location in Greensboro pretty good crowd of people showing up to say hello lady just pulled up. I think she wants to kiss wrong. I don't want to happen I think so man she's an attractive CSC if you could check with Aaron if that is okay CSC if you could check if that somebody who wants to kiss Robert Walsh that's ugly to figure out and put the Lord to dudes that want to Robert in order to get kiss tickets for this weekend.

So how are we going to do this. Robert, how about I trade Mike's weekly yet because Robert GE doesn't know how headsets work versus handheld. Mike's where he tries to interview people, even though he is a headset he's using the headset mic to talk into it's very confusing. I know so here we go, we have Robert walking up to a couple of people here at the kickback jacks. I am terrified by this. That's probably the first question. As I how I get closer to the microphone.

I think it is because I got it that's as good as you, and that's what I want. Okay, first name is Doug I'm probably something I am the best charges, then charges for in the world. Only two of them so it's fine. One of the two and you trying to kiss tickets way to get credit for that.

What is another concert you've been to that would prepare you for this kiss concert is also without concert also in the claim but without this weight is a pretty good concert where you pulling these questions from the night was really good concert with the microphone is interviewers joshing to talk the entire time. I am sorry look and I got another guy here. We got to like repair tickets left some other body which may be done, red, green Brad green man's man to man. Why are you saying Amanda is because he is backwards On postural does a deep voice tired.

I am a man. Brad is just to get what you want. Some just will be on not that big fan of this girl that I'm courting you that you transfer to give me oh yeah, yeah, we're recording either but there is a catch you guys have to kiss me to get the Brad is chugging his beer right now how unattractive you before you get this works okay were to get this over with you two guys going to know how there is still auditor to see better see you soon. He does look like a child.

I don't know how you believe, all right, yes and we have we have a ton of fans of the show here and including that using an out from Greensboro so that was about as awkward as it can get minute was ridiculous like he's just trying to push his agenda with the show is trying to trying to get kisses from people like that could be your what what you're trying to shoot for.

I don't know what agenda is trying to push the agenda when the agenda he's pushing is the Robert Walsh one where he's getting getting kisses always wanting dear like he got jealous when the Houston roughnecks of the XXL sent us here. Aaron stop was not all about. I like I'm some chopped liver. Every man hello Josh, I love you I love this jacket is Jersey. Everything is going with the hornets in this my guys thought altogether. Okay, the drive, obviously. Today is not being broadcast live in the Law offices of studio, but still you can learn about all the great ways to help you online to mobile.com you will know when you need us to be joined to clean up this joint little bit class it up. John Swofford, the Commissioner of the Atlantic Coast conference can join us in a little over 15 minutes contrast test of the show begin asking Miss Murch while been disrespected so much as you kiss me from job to class up the place like I'm just talking over here then kissing Robert. It has nothing to do with you was that you heard the speech you just gave at the beginning of this season you would want to punch you in February for whatever today is Rick being in the face. That's what you would want to do. I'm just calling a spade a spade. That's what we do one to place. I would love to play spades against our screenshots can place me so many of you guys are checked out because were the restaurants are Aaron, Gabriel, are we supposed to be on the show not doing anything but eating what you have on your plate microphone is playing eating as moving grant. I will get paid to test and write just go to college. All right, let's get to cc the men's basketball tournament and the NCAA tournament first and second round three. Consecutively is my quest green really just how many games were played and that the US the Commissioner. How is the Greensboro tournament different than the other sites start with back history and tradition joshing. In fact, that what this will be the 27th basketball term that has been held in Greensboro so it's been in Greensboro more than any other city or venue, and over the years… Remember when Kermit first moved to Greensboro from Raleigh and the Coliseum seated about a little over 8000 people in that it was decked and went to 16,000, and then it was expanded again and went to around 23,000 and then took out the street to put more comfortable seats and it now. It's around 21 or so is still the largest arena that we played a tournament in Turkey current rotation. We did go to Atlanta and go twice over the years, but I think it's because greens were special field arena around a long time. The people here in Greensboro have kept it modernized and is still a superb facility little different than the grant built across the country with you know a lot of private boxes and so forth.

But that's part of its appeal and the great players and coaches come through some remarkable gains in some remarkable term since the tournament left Raleigh. As you mentioned back in the 1960s, the only buffer. Between Greensboro ACC tournament appearances longer than five years, like the one we just saw was the seven year gap between 1988 and 1995 was another five-year gap. About 20 years ago is your expectation since the latest site and announced his 2022 with us getting set to go to DC again in the Berkeley Center in Brooklyn is that your expectation, the five-year weight will become the norm will probably similar to that Josh and were obviously very differently now than we were when we were 18 or 19 and so many tournaments were played with with our membership directly were now 15 and have a huge show geographic span up and down the East Coast and therefore you have more institutions that are spread out and more institutions.

Voting on where the term land that I think there's a belief within the league all the tournament needs to move around and have other geographic parts of footprint experience.

What is obviously a fantastic and a showcase event for the conflict. So I think in the future. While it's really up to the patient ultimately all where the tournament lands. Personally, I really like the rotation that were in right now just came out.

Where were in Charlotte in Greensboro, Washington, Brooklyn. We have gone south several times to Atlanta once to Tampa. I don't know come back into play or not. Certainly there's a different outlook in terms of having that type of location. Patient and I think overall in the long term. That is the best route. In today's world, but with that being said, I hope there will always be appropriate respect for the history and tradition. Greensboro and Charlotte as well. This is the second most all that that we Charlotte that remains to be seen as you said, we go two years out right now will be to that within the next year I'm sure so we'll see what happens. And because it's a great event with tremendous history and tradition that is successful anywhere we've ever taken. So were very fortunate in that regard. Some people prefer one place over another.

You get a lot of different answers but certainly here in North Carolina people. People love to come to Greensboro for the term CCC Commissioner John Swofford with this year on sports out triad the man that you succeeded Jean Corrigan passed a couple weeks ago we spent time trying to capture what exactly his legacy lives the tournament going back to Greensboro. I'm just curious what plans are there, if any, to recognize the man that meant so much to this Legion. Corrigan well what will really talk through that. Yeah, you know, obviously Jean is 10 years is Commissioner and the number of years as athletic director at Virginia. Have a great impact on the case conference and as well as college athletics special man gave me my first job in intercollegiate athletics and so the irony of following him is Commissioner was not lost on me and always considered very fortunate began my career working for someone of his capabilities and is just a tremendous person always had a good time and always did a great job in combination all week long we've been having coaches and players involved with the North Carolina Duke rivalry. Join us to talk about what their experiences were like ahead now first meeting this year between North Carolina and Duke on Saturday you work the former North Carolina Dir. of Athletics. Of course I love hearing about the rivalry and its fans, whether it's players, whether it's the coaches what personal experiences you had best captures what the rivalry means to you in general think that the rivalry of great respect in terms of the athletic programs and specifically basketball programs as well as just occasionally and I think that's the best kind of when it's truly a respect rivalry rivalry she could put in the strong word that you can take category like to do a lot of was one of over the years.

I think that is shown in the rivalry that certainly speak with basketball because of the consistent national quality programs anytime you need a score especially if you're one of the institutions. Personally, I grew up with it from a young age because my brother Jim played football when I was eight, nine, 10, 11 years old and so I understood Carolina rivalry from the other from the other hand, when I went to school there. Carolina so special. There's no question about that promote personal sample 11. Interestingly enough that I remember is when we first came in the center was to tell you a quick story is not intended that way because we built the strip center and when I was there and we were to move into Uganda 1985, 86 season, but the building unfortunately was not ready and we scheduled UCLA as the opening game so we played we literally set out season tickets to the Smith Center, which was finished, and we didn't know exactly what it was going to be finished and the Carmichael Torrey.

So our ticket office people were pretty busy at that point in time and obviously a lot more people had tickets for the Smith Center, Carmichael ended up playing UCLA in Carmichael then played a number of other games and if it worked out how they work out the last game in Carmichael was an easy state Carolina game that Carolina one and I'll never forget Jim Valvano after the game actually went to the dressing room then quickly came back out and got a basketball and shot Leah everybody I wanted to be the last word have the last basket made in Carmichael so that typical jail and handle that loss with tremendous rice and then the opening day later in the week. On Saturday was against you in the stressor. In both things I remember correctly, one thing Carolina was number 13 and Carolina won that game actually for my chair at the time and that was pretty special to be playing in the opening game of the Smith Center and and to see that building completed and the rest of that building. Obviously, his is history. How do you get out of the game so many great games great players and tremendous coaches that it hard to argue with with ESPN when they call it the greatest rivalry college sports John Swofford with Sissy Commissioner.

You had to make a lot of big decisions over the years. Whether it's expansion and make a decision on say the ACC network, which launched last year but I wonder what where does the stress of preparing for a new building to open UCLA coming in and that building not being ready until the following year for that. Do Where does that stress rank among some of the things you had to deal with over the decades. Well, it would be up there with several expansions that we've had here with the work that went into the ACC network that would that would probably be three yes because you know people forget. Unfortunately, over time you forget you remember the how I and as I said earlier, we were fortunate related things turned out the way the way they turned out because playing North Carolina state in the last game in Carmichael and Duke in the first game in the Smith Center in the same way you get any better than that in college basketball.

So fortunately it all worked out for the good months from July to January. When the building Oakland pretty stressful Swofford thank you for the time today. It's appreciated just great to be with you that is ACC Commissioner John Swofford spending some time with us here in the triad a lot to dissect their will gets more ACC basketball and a lot more. Next on the drive back Jackson Greensboro. Specifically, the one-off new Garden Road. There somebody here a listener that wants to kiss Robert, kiss tickets Eric Montross North Carolina Hall of Famer with the Tar Heel sports network will be here in 15 minutes.

Zion Williamson. I think that is worst game as a professional last night against the Milwaukee Bucks. This is an example of the stats not telling you everything you need to know the stats don't always tell the story and they didn't Zion's matchup with the Milwaukee Bucks got us onto the cobalt had third 37.7 rebounds. Six. Assist is that they are never empty because Milwaukee they win and they are a contender and probably the favorite to win in the Eastern conference. Meanwhile Zion. This was his seventh career game so I'm by no means knocking him there hasn't been a player of his talent into the MBA at his age. Since Lebron James in 2003 stat line 20.7 rebounds. I'm seeing today analyst saying oh my gosh, Zion is good to be the next note. John S this guy is going to have the pelicans as a contender in the Western Conference. He was tremendous again and they wanted the same basketball game I watch back after going to the movies last night because he did at the 20 and seven effort is always there. That's the thing I love the most, covering Duke last year everything. It didn't matter who they were playing effort was always going to be pleasant and it was a spectacle just to see how Hardy played his 67 285 and the other God-given traits. He's been blessed with that effort. He gives and gave in college it does in the MBA. He's always good to fill out a statute 20 and seven.

And last night's case brought the reason I thought this is worst game as a pro they were empty stats they lost by 12 this plus minus -11 turnovers, which breaks a run of three consecutive games of him not turning it over any more than three times on top of that he had missed free throws is over three from three stat sheet. This is what he did and the staff of five or 19 at the line or to be just in the field together that significant because it was the first time he shot under 50% in his NBA career, not to mention Zion was on the fast break.

It looked like he was going to dunk and Yana stood there and he swatted away the shot, so he still has a long way to go. But if the base game resembles 20 and seven on a team that already has Brandon Ingram over 30 points last night.

It's a very bright future and I'm very excited about Zion losses, the producer of the show is also somebody who uses this radio to further his own agenda and trying to and trying get things whether it be tickets tonight is good to go to the Greensboro swarm game Doug Beamer in the house would be retiring on Diaz this challenge that involves massive adult tricycles where you and Sawyer Dylan are going to go head-to-head writing tricycles at the Greensboro swarm game later on tonight.

You seem to be excited about that. I'm very excited. I want to get out there and test the track and see how the slick is how the tires work on the court because I'm not losing disorder.

Robert was mad he didn't get a Houston roughnecks hat tells Houston roughnecks sinners gear because they heard us pumping them a little bit and now he's been trying to use the platform to just get more deer and get more sky roughnecks around here. The XXL starting this week so I bring that up to bring you two yesterday we were thinking of ideas to give away kiss tickets and we have about four or five pairs here and thought since it's about somebody come to get back Jackson kiss Robert think anybody would want to do this right in front of us here to kiss Robert Ross, I think we should just let this happen to get this guy. Kiss tickets if he wants to know this person. First, Robert did this guy Mike.

Let's work this thing out so this guys get a kiss Robert to get a pair kiss tickets and limited chat with Eric Montross from the North Carolina sports network. It's ironic talking to former blue levels leading up to Duke North Carolina on Saturday, you take it away from here with your name young women when you called in the other day and told us that you virtually parted with kids. But before I let you kiss me I need to know a little bit about your kids never contrary to popular belief, so we can you give me some more party swords and others not well once I was kicked out of the concert and then after the show I was invited to the hotel room and there was probably about 30 people like sardines in their hotel room and set a couple things I got kicked out of his brothers right you have a microphone you get to know trying to get to know when Kaylee is your wife kissing his brothers. I don't know their cousins with the same last name was the last time you kissed somebody you need to know that this morning. This morning you kiss your wife. You brush your teeth before that. No proxy. If I kiss you kiss… I'm a little peck on the cheek and then have to be a peck on the team but that I am old school and I'm a former Sunday school teacher. My church is one thing I did learn this alone is your brother in apologies the Lee that was, as I imagine it would be and on top of that he's wielding the beer that tastes Robert like regret, regret, we lose Jillian Thomasville. I always forget about the phones we have that sitting there as well.

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Feel free to drop by the new garden rotate back Jackson is working to be here till 7 o'clock and in addition to that were to be at the Greensboro swarm game later on tonight as swarm faces raptors 905 bring it all back to ACC circles.Duke winning last night against Boston College, North Carolina missing an opportunity against Lord lose by six they missed six free throws in the game missed three dunks in the first half now really efficient three point shooting team, but they called Florida State napping at the beginning of that game. So the Tar Heels are coming off a loss going into Saturday in the Smith Center coming off the win on the road at Chestnut Hill against Boston College tonight. Wake Forest will be an action facing number five ranked level inside the KFC Yum! center. I believe that to be the best team in the Atlantic Coast conference. The only team I feel like it's better than level. At this point across the country.

Probably those Baylor Bears coach by Scott Drew where you just have a lot of depth, you have a team that plays strong defense. I heard somebody say earlier today, that team looks like it has a bunch of adults and there aren't many teams in college basketball.

You could say that about everybody's young in most years, you have a loaded draft class. A lot of freshmen were to jump to the league and mimic bodies part. Not many teams in college basketball this year have the build of, say, Duke a year ago and liked Texas Tech which went to the championship game losing to Virginia Baylor reminds me a lot of that. So I'm really excited to see what they end up doing in the big 12. One of the two best basketball conferences and what they end up doing down the stretch of the season.

The top floor I find interesting NDA people is the number one thing is number two, number three is this same conference as Baylor number four San Diego State, the only unbeaten team in all Division I today that would be absolute lunacy for the number one seed in college basketball where you would have two teams from the same conference and to major conference champions is number one seed in the time it was nonetheless, we never seen anything like that and in at least the last 20 years. I don't think we've seen a season like this from the ACC and in all college basketball. Remember there are only three teams already has at this moment they can. The NCAA permit from the ACC. The last time that happened three teams got in from this leak only three 2000 that significant because expansion for the ACC didn't happen until just a few years or so. It was still at the conference get again. Three of the nine now there's 15 teams in only three right now are good enough, and Gelineau decides to make the field of 64 legend and analyst Eric Montross joins the show next on the drive Smith Center on Saturday when faces North Carolina for the first time this year visiting with Tar Heel great from the Tar Heels sports network Eric Montross Eric, we are broadcasting right now inside a Greensboro restaurant kickback jacks new garden Road location and I'll tell you this all throughout the week without informing Tar Heels and blue Devils on former Tar Heel A.D. now the ACC Commissioner John Swofford today Chris but told him to be with us former Duke assistant on tomorrow's shell and I got to know a somebody who grew up in Indiana.

Is there a specific moment you first realize just how big the Duke Carolina rivalry was that until you get down here. I don't think that way to really understand where everything on your phone. All how is the rivalry involved in your mind because we hear that things have softened over the years when the players stick around for a smaller period of time.

Of course you had been yelling that came in the late 1980s, I think it was in Charlotte in 1989 that happened and then when Dean passes away five years ago. It's a moment that sticks with me five years ago are you had Coach K locking arms of Roy Williams, the team around the center jump circle to pay homage of the former seal coat. It seems now the games just a measuring stick kind of their own spotters. I've heard it referred to as before. Do you think the rivalry has changed or involved in the last 30 years rivalry perspective when you look at all and probably not probably not. Same caliber of probably not be met here, started my years but I think the change I think about and years Montross with this Tar Heel great from the Tar Heels sports network growing pains. Have you noticed as a former big man, with Anthony trying to get the big guys involved, we heard Roy Williams comments about saying this is not as much movement as he likes to see in the last two games of target losses seen from coal trying to get reactivated with the bids but also the rest of his teammates. Where years and probably before working level. When you let out the very beginning. You not backcourt their very mind that no longer athletic translated we became quite clear that job not thinking create job of making sure you will come.

There's no question that there are a lot of problems when you have an under 500 record. It's been a long time since we've talked about Tar Heel team with a record like this. However, in call Anthony's absents.

Are there positives you seen UCB and Rhonda could pay dividends down the stretch specifically when you talk about Garrison Brooks and B Robbie and asked take a step in their offense again baby be more of the dominant scores that they haven't been asked to be any other juncture, their careers more and and help you right now job of growing better job with their veteran when you leave your employer to go and most people associate you with the North Carolina rivalry with the blood on your face, down the stretch of the game against the blue Devils. That's the moment that's most associated with you what moment sticks out to you within the rivalry. When you think about what Duke, North Carolina means to you ahead of meeting number one Saturday. I recall there were conduit now have victory to rich hard to pick out. I think that what I rivalry to try one member in particular I was sitting courtside last week at Cameron when coach K had issue with what the crazies said pointed to them. Chastise the crazies a little bit and I was him having an issue with what the crazies chanted at a former Duke player who was of course Pittsburgh head coach Jeff Capel. Is there anything that sticks out to you about what the crazies may or may not have said to Eric Montross way back when 25+ years ago for 92 game will agree in writing that the locker room area locker and autograph. We can take care of that this rivalry he and years not think a lot of what you would be.

I think what will the great competition in the country and Eric, thank you for the insight of the stories and we look forward to seeing you on Saturday. Thanks for doing this got Eric Montross. Fantastic stuff from him. The Tar Heel great Tar Heel sports network terrifically painted story. The crazies they get pegged as being mean, but there's a fine line between being mean and being creative noninsurance estate plans will immediately .2 what happened with the player a few years ago Tyler Lewis with his grandmother what they know what didn't they know.

Was it an entire crowd was just one person be an idiot. I crazies. It seems the visiting team enjoys them as much as the crazies enjoyed being a part of having one of the best environments college basketball and I think there's a fine line between being mean and being I think fun to play in front.

I always enjoy playing on the rover's plane home games even in high school, especially the interactions of those guys have any favorite interactions between the crazies and certain players and teams actually it's not the teams. It's not the players.

My favorite reactions or interactions between the crazies and the referee. I will now the referees will come out and I remember the last time it was actually Mikey was holding K back before he ended up walking over to the crazies at happened last week before the game. One can do is name is Mike hey Mike hey Mike and eventually turned around is nice to be today ranked one of the crazies hold the basketball before like the timeout begins and I remember Ted Valentine walking over and somebody yelled that what's your name, and Ted turned around and said don't Google me so I thought that was fantastic. You are listening to WS dance Winston-Salem the