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Who's the bigger bummer?

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February 17, 2020 6:00 pm

Who's the bigger bummer?

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February 17, 2020 6:00 pm

On this edition of The Drive with Josh Graham David Glenn calls in to discuss his daughters college recruitment, the guys give their hottest takes on Lets Get Crazy, and more.

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This is dry when Josh drives weekday afternoon. This support is 30 point win against Notre Dame and North Carolina/Second Life Virginia from over the we gotta talk about a state Boston College really again to reject what I'm about to say, but hear me out.

I think NC State has been a bigger disappointment and North Carolina this year that is at the say North Carolina's better than NC State. But I think more disappointing.

The reason I believe this is because of a simple rule I follow. I had rather be disappointed and understand the reasons why I'm disappointed why something is disappointing then to be disappointed and to be equally confused. It's so much easier to explain why North Carolina has been underachieving vanity states.

It's just so hard to explain it to somebody last year. NC State right on the cut line to get Markel Johnson back oh pack to be a shoe went to the NCAA tournament. They are upgrading in the off-season.

Here they come in to the year. It's a down year for the ACC.

It's a down year for college basketball NC state. Shirley is going to be a part of the field of 64 right now it just hasn't been that Dylan already has NC State, not even on the first for Al but the next four out and bracket ecology.

Neither Carolyn if you try to explain it simple. You go okay they lost. For starters from last year and this year, little and they've had it on the significant injuries. Neither of those apply to NC state. That isn't to say they haven't had injuries that Andres is good to be out for a little while miss last night's game.

Markel Johnson. He missed the start of the year so we got off to a rocky start DJ Funderburk. He had the suspension at the start of the year CJ Bryce. He was banged up for a stretch, so I'm not saying there haven't been Nixon bruises along the way but would North Carolina Brandon Robinson missed essentially the first month of the year he's been out last week and 1/2 Anthony Harris out for the season before the calendar turned to January, Sterling Manley didn't play a minute. This year, these are guys that we expected to be a part of this Tar Heel basketball team that just aren't there that you still have the core of your team.

You guys are supposed to be relying on and they just haven't shown up Markel Johnson NC state needed a lot more from him last night. It's that simple.

Is that life for file six turnovers and 17 minutes only scored four points. His final minute was inexcusable.

Down one turns it over, leading to a homerun layup. It's a state down one again couldn't catch the pass.

I know you look at the reply you see that Boston College is player is a foot on the in-line he was out of bounds, the official missed the call, but that doesn't excuse Markel not holding onto it and allowing foreign officials call one where the others the subjectivity of it all to play a result, in the play to have the homerun layup put BC up three again Devon Daniels.

He was while the net possession, so I don't want to excuse them completely either, but Markel is supposed to be to God final possession. What's Markel doing rolling into the paint with three seconds left to go in the game down three granite CJ is a smooth player and smart enough to go beyond the three point line and not settle for the two given to state a look, but I did no idea what Markel was doing on the plate has been reliable at all.

So trying to explain away NC State is difficult. I have three of their five starters from last year back Wyatt Walker. It was kind of mutual for him to transfer out of the program you felt better about Manny Bates and Andres coming in and DJ Funderburk.

At that spot surreally.

You're only losing one starter you wish you had back in torn Dorn but Braxton Beverly back Devon Daniels back. These are guys who have done good things. It's hard to explain why NC states in this spot the Wolfpack hasn't beaten a ranked team this year. North Carolina at least took out Oregon look in the ACC cleansing claims are not even close to the NCAA conversation took out Louisville by double digits over the weekend since also beaten joke they be a good TCU team at a conference NC state owing to against ranked opponents. Most of Auburn, which is ranked in the top 10 most Louisville just got beaten by Georgia Tech and got beaten by as I mentioned cleansing in the last week and that it was in Raleigh millisecond by 20 points on top of that NC state lost to North Carolina to home North Carolina team: Anthony wasn't even out on the floor in that game who met this was ranked at the time when they met in Brooklyn lost that game.

Unlike North Carolina and at-large bid is still obtainable for NC State.

So for trying to spin this positively Syracuse when they got last week that still qualifies at this moment as a quad one went Wisconsin got a big win over the weekend so they bump up to that be in a quad one.

Went into state beating Wisconsin at home in the big ACC Big Ten challenge. You have three cracks at Duke and Florida State. The rest of the way it starts Wednesday night in Raleigh.

Duke goes into PNC arena Saturday Florida State comes to Raleigh to close the year.

Pretty much at Duke.

So you have three opportunities to get another solid win, but I don't think that really matters. If you lose it home to Pittsburgh or lose to Syracuse rest of the way our excuse me to Wake Forest. If you lose one of those two games. I don't think the committee is going to look favorably on that or if they flameout on dame day two of the ACC tournament in Greensboro. That's where NC state is that at the moment disappointing because it's hard to explain, North Carolina. It's easy to explain. So I think NC state has been a bigger disappointment this year. Your thoughts are welcome on the show. You can tweet them at us at sports of dryad.

Robert Walsh is the producer of this program Aaron Gabriel in the house as well. 336-777-1600 is the phone number order to cover all bases of the big four Wake Forest Legend Dave Odom going to join the show in 25 minutes. His name is going up in the rafters of Joel Coliseum Wednesday night when they honor the 1995 Wake Forest team that finished first in the ACC standings. Doubletalk speaks momentarily. I mentioned I was at Duke on Saturday. Blue Devils get their fifth 30 point win of the season for ACC 30 point win of the season. To further emphasize and the day after Valentine's Day. Robert Mycroft showed up to Cameron indoor Stadium Zion Williamson showed up at the under 16 timeout of the second half and Zion, he summoned scary. Do they were to be Notre Dame regardless.

John Moody was in foul trouble you had Durham, who was having a nice game he was in foul trouble. They were both out of the game burning carry was dominant. They were up by 17.54, 237, when Zion showed up but what we saw in the following 10 minutes after Zion arrived was what I described to be scary. Duke. I don't think they were to win by 30 the pace they were going even with the foul trouble for Mooney and Durham over the next nine or 10 minutes. Duke outscored Notre Dame 26 to 12. The players were clearly putting on a show for Zion Alex O'Connell led 15 in the game. He had some three and he does the three goggles towards Zion is sitting right behind the bench and Zion returns the three goggles and kind. Matthew Hurt did pretty similar thing they put Mike Buck Byron was the right hand man for Zion. The dishes to the admirals boy David Robinson for adult and it was a neat moment in the locker room. Zion catching up with the guys Pius Jones was down there too had a chance to speak with Quinn Cook briefly, but I had a chance to talk about among current players Mike Buck buyer.

I just asked him about how Zion's presence affected the game and this is what Mike said I didn't even realize his career at all the yelling and stuff and all the time looking around my go my golf course course is so good having back and I know he is a little bit because atmosphere you can get anywhere else, especially here he enjoys when you Duke won that game without Tasha Stanley in the lineup.

Notre Dame had a lot to play for and still it is Duke. And Winston-Salem really quickly what you got for me in terms of the question and go right ahead. Yes, just like your opinion. Please think Caroline is going to flameout than I'd like a getting his way. Cody think you going to be a competitive game against Notre Dame like they had been of the last three heartbreaking games that lost Chapel Hill yeah and I I think North Carolina to when the night. I think I think the bill also what they did against Duke and against Virginia this past Saturday.

Remember they played each other to open the, the, the season ACC games to open the regular season: Anthony had a big day. I really feel Duke broke Notre Dame Spirit on Saturday, North Carolina. I think there are things to take away from Saturday. I really do remember working to get the Dave Odom in about 20 minutes but speaking of those things to build. I'll tell you why North Carolina's loss to Virginia actually was a positive for the heels going forward. Next on the draft. This is okay. Thank you, Josh Gray Fox sports hub triad tanks bring them right now.

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This is a segment we welcome your involvement. Just as long as you don't bring in a take that we deem to be lukewarm. I want something that your friends been making fun of you thinking or something. You're just worried they're going to judge you if you say it out loud those type of takes at 336-777-1600 hot takes only errands locked and loaded Robert's locked and loaded locked and loaded. So let's dive right in. Let's get crazy if you have a hot day that we deem to be the main searing hot you will be rewarded with the following sound greatest gift we can go and you listener. I'll get us started in the state of loss for them last night against Boston College, but they are still in the at-large. Upon so I think this is going to happen over the next eight days. NC states going up the Wednesday night and then beat Florida State on Saturday then lose North Carolina next Tuesday the rapid beat beat Florida State. God hates North Carolina to get swept if you think that's what John, let's get crazy. John the Birdwell to be facing the clippers of the first row. The records match up in any way there. Robert's think that's crazy to know what the crazy part is that the bucket would play the clippers of the Lord that have been the clippers blues.

The nugget of the nugget didn't beat the clippers of the first round. Cancel basketball cancel the entire playoffs. Let's get crazy. Let's, Astros news going around the room going around Astros genies gamble is the best thing to happen to baseballs is very long thing is the best thing because I've never paid his multitudes in my life measure looking forward to opening day with angels and the Astros.

It's amazing that this is the place baseball has landed on people don't care about the transactions back.

One of the best players in the sport called Goldschmidt to go from one team to the other Mookie bets for the Red Sox to the Dodgers. We don't care about that.

Let's talk about the ways we can fix baseball.

How about we talk about ways that the Astros should be punished and what they did today where buzzers who knows what got it that it was José out today where it got a steroids is Barry bonds and taking that's a lot more interesting a lot more fun to talk about. I don't know if it's good for the game but that certainly qualifies as a hot take next Pres.'s day. It's a holiday today.

Did you guys know that happy. Why yeah why are we here in the next five years. Presidents' Day is going to get moved up two weeks to becoming the day after the Super Bowl where everybody gets off work the best journalistic work I've ever done was asking then Gov. Pat McCrory if he would have day in the calendar become the post Super Bowl holiday like in North Carolina. Would there be a Super Bowl hangover day. He looked at me like I was a lunatic that I still did the Lord's work in asking that question. I think the only way it can't happen is if we mask it with another holiday so we do Presidents' Day two weeks ahead of time, then it's kinda killing two birds with one stone. Or as Peter would like us to say feeding two birds with one stone. Getting to revert stone but once I get the best idea you've ever had ever crazy Scott in Greensboro. Let's get crazy. Scott, like any normal one. All all I don't want to be the other way around that I think deserves to visit his first year as an assistant altogether, but there's a lot Tim Duncan returns to the Joel on Wednesday. Dave Odom says he thinks he's going to be there said that last hour return maybe be head coach Deacon 33 677-1600 is the phone number Robert. Let's get crazy.

We all agree that Zion is been pretty amazing so far I would say, but not amazing enough to win rookie of the year what he's going to do something that's going to help push him past John Moran Zion will record the leagues ever quadrupled double with blocks.

The last one was in 1994 by David Robinson. He can do that before the end of the year and win rookie of the year. That's crazy talk. The second is called let's get crazy crazy.

Aaron and Bill got together played. They called this will through repeated sale is exit champions will play the bottom of the will or lose in the next three seasons. We call that game toilet bowl that wouldn't be much of a contest. I don't think XXL seems be say Alabama LSU last year. I don't think so.

Question in the David in Greensboro.

You're up next. David, let's get crazy after the San Carlos belt drawn out pour out a requirement. Dusty Baker is the manager though I it would be funny.

It would be hilarious if the Red Sox just that they still have a manager double to Carlos Beltran. We got Alex Gore out. I've already seen the rumor thrown out there Red Sox they traded. When that is when your left on his contract going to get hammered by major league baseball this year so there just seeing the writing on the wall things go badly in them while outscore is out for a year what the sudden I can't take credit for that is just the rumor be in for another Robert you say you got some let's get crazy. What Once upon a time in Hollywood last night for the first time a little late to the party but you know what I'm saying.

It is the worst Tarantino movie since half of it. I guess half of the double feature that he was in charge of John my way. Take Valentine's Day. I watched Goodwill hunting with my girlfriend. Nice there referencing to enjoy that very much. Will and Skyler. He had to see about a girl right they broke up after one week after one week. There's no way the relationship works after he says to her face. I don't love you, and she's on the phone afterwards giving him a second chance. I love you will well have a great day… Relationship. How does that work. Yeah, take me back. I'm really not I like apples, but we will know if you like apples but the guy who was smarty-pants and is about will asked if he liked apples and got a number you like them apples. Aaron is well completely dry from you Robert erasable Panzer dome mean what you write and get a pencil you think is all right exercised. Everything here were were were were empty. How much those left little over an hour. I think we'll get there multiple hours. What I'll tell you why NC State has been a bigger disappointment than North Carolina this year.

Next on the drive Josh grandma loves to talk sports. He also loves to daydream about sports, mostly about being the locker room towel boy your drive with Josh Graham going to love Cleveland Cavalier and John the line are in discussion with both sides to part way.

I believe the line to be the most underrated college basketball coach of the last decade with the Michigan Wolverines taking that team to the final for a couple of times, losing to the Louisville Cardinals and Rick Patino in 2013 await the NCAA said they didn't win that national title so I guess they didn't yeah revoking championships doesn't seem to really work Reggie Bush you wanted 2005. As far as I'm concerned, and Memphis. I watched Derrick Rose play in that final for so I'm going to say they played in that championship game and lost the Kansas and on top of that, I'm gonna say John beeline lost to the Louisville Cardinals in the championship game at the side ran since beeline might be back on the market for college teams to pursue. I've seen more than a few Wake Forest fans said that's what we need Danny Manning. He is getting the job done.

One NCAA tournament appearance in five years and it's going to be six years. The season unless they pull off a miracle in the ACC tournament by any standard. That's not good enough to wake just as when you're talking about the program from 91 to 2010 that only Marilyn North Carolina and Duke have more ACC wins then it's just not acceptable to go to the NCAA tournament. One time in six years. There's gotta be changed. I set it on the show. I try to be as transparent and honest as I can. If it wasn't for the buyout figure. A year ago. I think it would've already happened.

I think there are three reasons why would beeline though. It's not a fit with Wake Forest number one. He would be twice as expensive as Danny is currently when you look at what he made Michigan. He drew in $3.8 million with incentives. Danny gets paid 1.8 and change plus the potential of a buyout close to $10 million. I'm still trying to figure out where Jeff Goodman got the $18 million figure. He pointed out at about this time last year. He said it's going to cost 18 million for wake the buyout Danny. I still don't know how that works. Wake Forest doesn't have to reveal what the buyout number is, or even anything regarding Danny's contract because there were private school, but even if you count every cent, every dollar on what he's owed over the next five years. His contract going through 2025, 1.8×5 is 9 million so it could be somewhere between nine and $10 million if every cent now so I think Wake Forest they're going to get that done I think is going to be a new head coach. But John B was not a good fit because he's just too expensive. Also, he's accustomed to big public institutions with infinite resources West Virginia basketball and Michigan.

That's where is been the last 20 years. Wake Forest is kind of the opposite of that. It's about making the most of little doing more with less, then it is we got the resources that's gonna blow NC State Duke and North Carolina away. Oh, and that's the other thing you got three teams in your state to which that are public institutions with lower academic standards can welcome them better talent in your backyard so you really don't even have quite a recruiting base to go up against. On top of that two of those schools have Hall of Fame coaches to and Roy Williams and Mike Chesky presents a different set of challenges at small it's private.

But that doesn't mean the problems can't be solved. Dave Clawson's figured out Olympic coaches and figured it out. Dave Odom was a guest on today show figured out.

Skip Prosser did so I think John beeline being at West Virginia big public institution and being at Michigan. Kind of eliminates him as a fit for this place slinky 67 now not be in a just here. Remember Mack Brown was around the same age as well and it was a good fit North Carolina because that's a place that has a ton of resources, public school resources people behind the people excited and we saw what that did last year. It was a perfect that he was familiar with that place. He understood what makes North Carolina take the opportunity that you have playing in North Carolina. He had one there before. He's a Hall of Fame coach, North Carolina, Florida, this is different. Wake Forest is good to be a full rebuild. Unlike North Carolina with background.

By the time beeline could turn around. Wake is probably to be 70 years old so understanding. Danny Manning is still in place regarding his status.

I would say it is likely Wake Forest is going to move on. That's not based on anything in that building other than looking around the Joel Coliseum and see a place that was once one of the toughest place to play basketball being often two thirds empty that and the standard that Wake Forest should hold itself to an John Curry understanding about as well as anybody leads me to say there's gotta be a change.

There, if that happens I'm to throw out two names right now. Two names that I think are picture-perfect fit for wake basketball and once here in the Triad West Miller baptized Wake Forest in addition to playing it North Carolina. He's energetic to breathe life into the program he somebody was head coaching experience and built himself up at a lesser bid major school and I say that with all due respect to UNC Greensboro's is not the same as the ACC and everybody knows that move makes sense for Wes makes sense for Wake Forest. It is the inverse of Danny Manning. You got a young guy, energetic, not a household name as a player, even though he did play for the Tar Heels that would make sense, but the name I like the most is this one. Russell Turner, 49 years old. UC Irvine, he was once on Dave Odom staff as an assistant in the 90s and he spent six or seven years coaching in the MBA with the Golden State Warriors very successful program at UC Irvine understands Wake Forest still younger guy MBA experience to those are two names of throw out there. We'll talk with David Glenn about NC State's chances of making the NCAA tournament after losing to Boston College, Chestnut Hill last night but I been pushing this offer quite a while. My car has Christmas decorations on it. My office has Christmas decorations or when it and I don't quite know how to feel about this.

If you remember back during the holiday season.

I said I hate Christmas decorations on cars we all share the road. Please don't make me look at your car with the Rudolph the red nose reindeer reindeer nose in the front of it. Deer antlers, the whole nine. Aaron re-created the tray Joan shot in less than 15 minutes which was our bed so the man of my word. I wasn't in the parking lot when it happened. When I saw my car. I was mortified. Robert how do you care to describe what my car looks like at this moment just everybody out there can know I will be paint a picture what Josh looks like he was looking out the window like an old man.

His family doesn't come to visit them anymore.

He was so sad looking down in his car. I attacked the back of it very quickly with some magnetic reflector Christmas lights look like the lights are on a Christmas tree you mean reflecting light. So when semi is behind you at night while you're driving homes or even tonight. They will see the light from their car reflect off of the Christmas lights on the back and the side of deer in the Lord.

We put some range did all of this cost that was handled by Ginny.

I'm not into the budget very expensive. It was extravagant to say the least. So we got the antler horns on your back window so it looks like your Rudolph, you have a red nose on the front are antlers, horns, horns, you antlers, horns, synonymous with, and we also have elf legs sticking out the back of your trunk so you look like you are some kind of a murderer of some sort pulled over with no you keep saying that, why would you get pulled over.

It's pretty suspicious having a car with reflective Christmas lights on it and elf one crime suspicious of all this, Alex is this just to see thing is to stand out right so I I like to flow it 8 miles an hour over the speed limit. See that's dangerous, even though the rules I had people say that now that if you're not going faster than 15 your good there.

Some people say more than 10 so I flow it eight and Mike good. It eight while having Christmas lights on the car with elf legs hanging out and also deer antlers in February. I think the only what you get pulled over is if there's a cop behind you and one of your antlers flies back and smacks the hood of his car.

That's the only way or that there is a missing persons report for new oh yeah your devil you get pulled over. I do so people are clunky get me because I'm going to forget that all when I learned was that honk if you love Christmas sign but we did not get that. So is it just to be honk if you love the drive from it. It's just honk, just keep talking so if you see it idiot with reflective Christmas lights on his car.

Antlers and/or Rudolph the red nose reindeer nose on his car in the Triad also driving to and from games over the next two it's going to grow it.

It's going to grow on you. It's not hard to figure out who's driving that car by the end of week one. You are going to be so… It's so embarrassing to be your Christmas year round guy, this does sound like a really bad TLC Christmas. This guy was a screwed you hated the holiday spirit Christmas lights up implanted onto his car in the Rudolph the red nose reindeer, nose and antlers.

This guys now that the holiday spirit cannot be met by persons in all you had to break the segment down a black person you have a favorite magical black person in movies Michael bagger Vance Dunkel minds I guess it's is that same bad movie real you know they say the man doll of crag were Sinbad is a G is that real or is it shack that's not even all pick either one is my magical black guy like me what was bagger Vance is like superpower like Jesus. Here's this guy knows everything just so happens to be black so many movies in the Latin last, albeit he was blue magical bloopers Sanders putting coach and Billy note what is his name is the fake hand so your talk about happy Gilmore, it's jobs, yet shoves Peter. He is also my magical how much damage did NC State's lost check in Chestnut Hill due to the Pack's NCAA tournament hopes will discuss with early afternoon was David Glenn next to me, this is dry likes to kiss the war. This is extremely small children. Don't let them disturb you back to the drive with Josh Graham the time I used to run one of those recruiting sites for East Carolina.

So I talked to high school recruits. We had to do the star system evaluations. This is get a three star, a four-star or a five-star and I feel like that is starting to become an outdated way of looking at things and I understand that sites like pride inside Carolina. The mendicant digests are bigger than ever. I feel like this one time is not something that we generally don't really cover on the shelf.

I feel like I can go back to my roots and having a similar evaluation with our next guest, David Glenn early afternoon house because he is on his way right now on a recruiting visit with his daughter Avery going to South Carolina as they all call in it an official visit there heading tomorrow to try and see if that's the choice for Avery so DG what's the prospect break down for Avery. Glenn is getting set to make her official visit with the gamecocks will get Avery up in the cart right now. Find all of her private closure paper so we could share all the personal information sheet. God loves several interstate including at you UNC what she like several FTP school, including South Carolina that were almost there. Georgia and Florida. She also applied to Florida State and got in there so there's a lot of moving part, but she is in demand yelling at edge will probably replace club soccer wherever she goes and you're on top of it.

So there's a lot there one as I have learned over the years of their debt. As a father. Are you concerned the state of North Carolina schools can't keep the fence up from the SEC team is trying to come and approach our talent every year on that college football, it feels like dark outgoing morning you know why can't more of our fault.

Keep those players for whatever reason without basketball players for Avery is not going to be a varsity athlete is going to be more than athlete. I am not concerned building that got building a fence around North Carolina so whatever is best for her. I will be okay with and I could be you, I could but it could be them were out of date will follow him on Twitter at David Glenn show. Listen to when noon to three. Darren Bob will be pinchhitting for DG tomorrow afternoon. How much does last night's loss in Chestnut Hill change NC State Outlook moving forward for you. Only a little greatest stranger that sounds right. Article fax resume stranger down the left.

I look at the quadrant one category thoroughly. That winning record in Quad one and everybody would probably get that correctly doubled five and one in games that the NCAA selection committee ascribed that the most challenging, which is depending on your overweight or neutral site. They have a formula for that well group 5 and want to guess what it and if the Wolfpack either Florida State or Duke this week they would add another Quad one with both of them visiting the arena so it it doesn't help that you lose at Boston College. If you end up squarely on the bottle. Even the UNC lost at all on you a little bit with guitar you'll get glass plate right now but I do think that big wins over great opponent that even outweigh your ugly losses. So it was a small step back, but I don't think the Wolfpack is that yet. If a week from now you and I are talking affected either Pete Duke or Florida State this week yet then we can start talking about the NIP and and really the bubble bursting in terms of the big bracket of the we were hanging out hurricanes game last night and this weekend the big news really across the state of North Carolina was that the hurricanes are finally getting the outdoor hockey game the Stadium series game that Will Take Pl. in Carter Finley Stadium February 20, 2021 and when when I look at this state as a hockey market. DG growing up in the state North Carolina it's passed every test along the way competitiveness to Stanley Copps to Stanley Cup appearance is one when I should say two additional Eastern conference final appearances. They hosted the NHL draft.

As I mentioned a couple Stanley Copps the All-Star game in 2011. Now the Stadium CF game they're getting support and longevity Mike Sondheim of the Carolina hurricanes PR department tweeted this out the deck. Last night's game that we were at is the 10th sellout. The hurricanes of had this year. That is the most sellout in a season since the 2008 2009 year and they had 10 that year there's still a month and 1/2 left to go in the regular strike of the hurricanes could still continue that momentum moving forward. How significant of a milestone is this most recent headline for the canes in this state is a hockey market big deal looked a lot of great there and I would dart with great everyone DG on a better connection willing make winning make paintable, especially in what we call it nontraditional hockey market, but the other stuff better. You know the world defendant upon Raleigh for the draft for the All-Star game won't quite be the hockey world.

Next year bought the partnership between beta and the Carolina hurricanes strong one obviously will fragment the with the cane. I just got a little magic turning a hockey rink into about all court right across the parking lot that you and I walked across last night. Carter Finley Stadium and through this point in the history of not Stadium.

What we call all the outdoor games.

The Winter classic and all the rest. There has never been an outdoor hockey game sponsored by the NHL United market there almost all in the colder market occasionally way out with what the first and Tom Duncan worked his tail off with staff to make this happen. We don't know the opponent yet those other things are important landmarks because it's a reminder that we don't always Raise our hand and don't forget, don't forget about October. Here little hurricane down here in Raleigh because were smaller market nontraditional hockey market. One by one the wedding again first, but also those other draft All-Star game. In places like you know Lincoln financial Field in Philadelphia. Click like job in Chicago.

One of their big baby to their big, come to think of it, so it needs first date.

It's even better for the cane and I think it's great for hockey fans all across the market that is going to really really strong right now.

After some ups and downs over the last few decades, walked blessing for you DG on skin oppose the poll question that we have, to you on twitter at sports untried if you want to vote on this.

You're a season ticket holder with the canes on top of that you're somebody who has covered the ACC for more than 30 years.

Hypothetically, if North Carolina played each other the same day as this hurricane Stadium series game. What would gain priority in your mind will and you know my favorite law school head answer what it start many of my blue book style okay and said McDonald's All-American for North Carolina next year. There back in Duke is the number one recruiting class at my desk got this year's team back as well. So they're both ranked in the top 25. Carter that makes it harder because I have never been to an outdoor hockey game and I have cross over everything else off my fourth bucket with and I've been to more than 55 zero. Carolina games dating to the late 1980. I think I would do the Stadium. It would hurt if both teams are good a lot more that it wouldn't hurt this year when a member like that go only to learn a real or yeah, lifelong hockey guy boiled Carolina because of the many uncovered so many but yet that we might not get another game in my life.so I know there were three good Carolina game pretty much any year.

I hope you and Avery enjoy Columbia. I hope I wasn't the worst house. Guess you ever had this weekend… You're a great event for regard all over. Of course, bark bark, my friend got it that's David Glenn is on twitter at David Glenn show