Cleo Hill Jr. & Tubby Smith (3/2/20)

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Prepare yourself and your hearts for Danny Manning keeping his job beyond this year it wake our I know a few weeks ago. This seemed inconceivable that something I came on the radio and said hey, I can't see a circumstance where he keeps his job beyond this year, but I'm not one of the sports radio host is just good to have an opinion and after receiving more information is just to try and justify what he said weeks ago.

The that's not flip-flopping that is learning more information and having that affect your view.

It's being open minded about things. While I still think it's best for Wake Forest basketball.

They have a new leader of the program after Danny had a shot at it for six years and only made it to the NCAA tournament. One time I can see the situation he's brought back, and I think this is something very real that we have to prepare for here in that if you were to ask me what percentage chance there is many many returns over 40%. This is probably a 50-50 gas right now.

A 50-50 percentage split if you look at that pie Wake Forest keeping Danny Wake Forest moving on the team has improved. First, inform it's the second most talented teams had an Wake Forest tied for second most wins with 13 overall he has three more winnable games remaining.

They played North Carolina tomorrow, which they've already beaten NC stay on the road in Raleigh.

God knows what NC state team. You're going to get.

We learn that with Pittsburgh on Saturday as the Wolf pack eked past Jeff cables reeling Panthers. We know the good a player Tuesday game at the ACC tournament in Greensboro. That's good to be a winnable game in the first round so there are still winds left to begotten for Danny and they beaten before teams that Danny hasn't been before beat Duke beat North Carolina. That might sound insignificant to you all, Duke's loss, three of the last for the unranked teams.

This is a blue devil team that probably is a gotta be a final for quality one forth in the ACC standings in a year. The ACCs down North Carolina has had a down year. So how much value can you really put on that when for Danny and Wake Forest here to tell you it means a lot it means more than the other wins against ACC competition. There's no question about secondarily the buyout is still very expensive. Best case scenario. Jeff Goodman's number of 18 million in either November or December 2018 was off his buyout figure of 18 million as far to large of a song I've been told I was told last spring by some people around Wake Forest is probably closer to 12. The 14 and this year probably goes down to about 10 to 12 but we never got any that officially Wake Forest is a private school. They don't have to reveal the sinks cutter O'Neill. He did the reporting for the Winston-Salem Journal this past week and talking about Danny situation and they reached out to John Curry for an interview to try and get some quotes.

They turned down the interview and Danny Manning Bramwell and was asked Danny was asked about his contract situation when they decided to bring them back. Last year they would not comment further on that. The fact that the total hasn't leaked. I think can be used as justification for keeping if were led to believe it's 18 million, and it is to get. I don't know what the buyout figure is then there are at least some understanding Wake Forest fans would say yeah Danny at least has done well enough to not shell out $18 million to get rid of and to hire a new basketball coach.

After that, I'm not saying that's why this is happened. Maybe it's just a standing policy where not to reveal that type of information but where journalism is that in 2020, and social media big as prevalent as ever. I'm surprised that figure has been released since Jeff Tibbets at its 18 million over a year ago next year's team. Though if you look at the guys were back who are scheduled to be back probably the better way to say that guys could transfer some to go Pro we saw with Terrel Moore, Brian Crawford, we saw that with you know Mitte glue leaving early John Collins leaving to the MBA. These things can happen. It's not the time to count your chickens before they hatch, but here I think if you look at the talent on this roster. There are enough good players to field may be Danny Manning's most talented team as title Wake Forest 2000 22,021. I don't think it's unrealistic at all. I think if the players return in a way they returned a year ago. Not a lot of turnover from 2019 to 2020. You can feel pretty good roster at point guard Jacoby need to's taken steps you have this three-star point guard is a top 40 point guard it is position nationally at a Chicago Marcus Watson is rankings.

According to the Medica digested 24 seven shooting guard Tommy Brown.

You could put them there.

Have Sharon right Mike when stepping it small forward. Isaiah mu CS going into his junior season Ishmael Massoud his second year upfront Odie of Guatemala has really come on this year amid some of the injuries wakes at upfront Olivier SARS been a revelation going into the year. It's been a frustration with he will show you what points why he starting in the ACC. He will show flashes why some think he could be a great player but he's never really done it consistently last week against Duke. He puts up 25 and then on senior day Saturday I was there at the Joel he had 30 and 17 a marvelous performance for Olivia if he returns. That's pretty good. Starting five. You had to Biggs injured start of the year. Assumedly you get back to wreak ingrown and Sunday. Okay, it's a pretty good roster right there and we can have success with it now. I still think if I had to guess today. Wake Forest is going to make a change at head coach just because the standard hasn't been that at any point really the last six years. Even the year that went Wake Forest went to the NCAA tournament lost in Dayton. They were 10th in the ACC. I read the story from Connor last week that I just alluded to calling Joel Coliseum. At times be in reminiscent of a morgue. It's the 10th straight year Wake Forest attendance at the Joel is been under 10,000 fans this year is the lowest of the 30 year history of Joel Coliseum. The average attendance was less than 7000 people. Robert do you know how much the Joel Coliseum holes 1514 so that building on average consisted of what was more than half full or was less than half what I beg your pardon so I think the decision hasn't been made yet.

Wake Forest fans need to prepare for Danny potentially returning. I think it is a tossup what's gonna happen with the demon deacon head coach once the season. It. Another thing that might be significant. They they lost one game when all the luminaries were there there honoring Dave Odom and Mitch Shaw has been will game all year. He shows up for the Georgia Tech game they lose that And Tim Duncan and others are here and all Wake Forest has to draw on is the past and that couldn't even bring out a massive crowd. The Joel Coliseum so I don't know if they can afford to keep Danny around when you consider the financial aspect and the losses just at the gate attendance wise at the Joel Scott Greensboro who wants in on Danny Manning and what potentially could happen after the season and Scott, your own sports and try what your thought on it. You met your very argument for treatment on the way I look at it and I don't know what to buyout 100 with God. He could wait no more in the country and let go after that. If I remember correctly, and if they will release it rip. Somebody after taking weight to number one. Go get rid of Danny Manning awful just one trip today. NCAA is six or seven years. Yes, it's interesting you should bring that up. Thanks for the call. They were number one of the 2009 season. They were ranked very high at the start of the 2010 season, but that year was underwhelming and didn't meet expectations.

There were a lot of stuff stuff going on behind-the-scenes that fortunately we haven't had to deal with with Danny Manning and the players that he's recruited.

Not a lot of stuff going on off the floor that we could be critical of the coach. The type of player. He's bringing in. It's not a simple thing to address quickly. What happened with Dino Gaudio but the buyout figure as you mentioned at the beginning, not as big. Not nearly as big as what Wake Forest could be staring down right here with Danny were to be joined by Tubby Smith High Point head basketball coach national title winner in a little over 30 minutes.

It's just feel so great that were in the month of March so many great games around here that were going to be watching this week and in the NFL. A massive headline from one of the biggest stars not playing Tony Romo reportedly gets a $17 million annual contract from CBS that's going to keep him with Jim Nance on CBS's top team for at least the next five years, but according to Richard Dinesh. There is an agreement in place that would have them well beyond the next five so expect Tony Romo as long as the CBS NFL relationship is there for the next decade, maybe even more than that.

Tony Romo good to be working. Games with gymnasts. Hello friends, a lot of people push back on it say it's ridiculous at face value. There are players and how do you expect us to sign a CBA when were not getting enough of a cut that were making more than the broadcaster in the booth but obviously Romo is a different case. Romo is an exception to the broadcasting rule.

CBS in making this decision to not even allow Romo to hit the market they had in this contract that they had a 30 day negotiating. That began after the Super Bowl after the season ended where Romo could talk to ESPN could talk to other competitors. Reportedly, ESPN was preparing to give him a massive deal that looks a lot like the one he just got at CBS. The reason they didn't let it get to that. I think, was to send a message to the NFL and ESPN that they are still the top-of-the-line in football broadcasting right now. The new TV deal for the NFL. There deals that they're looking to broadcaster games on NBC, CBS, ESPN, those deals expire in 2022 but they're expecting those conversations to start the negotiations to renew those deals later this year, the NFL, they want the top broadcast talent on their games. They want Romo to be there now that Romo is under contract with CBS and the totals put out there how much CBS's bank, the NFL had a long-standing relationship with CBS. So now they group they're gonna want Romo on their games. Of course, CBS wants to be with the NFL or else they'll pay $17 million. I think this weakens news all but cemented that part of the NFL's future in broadcasting.

CBS is going to be there in some way shape or form. The NFL as I mentioned, they want the best talent calling their best game.

I think it's far from a coincidence. ESPN has seen a dip in the quality of matchups they get on Monday Night Football in the last three years and the fact that John burdens no longer the analyst there. It's been Jason Witten and Bulger McFarland, the quality of the broadcast has gone down since to Ricoh laugh and Gruden left so the games that they received haven't been as great. That's why the ESPN wanted to get Romo and I think they could still salvage something if they go after Peyton Manning who already has a relationship with ESPN through the Peyton's places series on ESPN. Clawson, the details show that he does. That would make the most sense. Last year they went up the manikin. According to reports he didn't want to become the color analyst while Eli Manning's brother was black.

He didn't want to be in a position where you have to criticize his brother. So now that you guys retired. It seems Peyton will make the most sense for ESPN to call and try to bolster their Monday Night Football package.

It's not as absurd as you think.

Financially, though, think about this. CBS pays the NFL $1 billion, with the be every single year. They pay $100 million just in production, an additional $25 million just to put things together for a Super Bowl broadcast. They have 10 million more viewers in that for 30 national slot on Sundays Monday Night Football get when you consider all of these things $17 million to make sure you secure Tony Romo to say it's a drop in the bucket but it's not a crazy over spending spree on talent by CBS they used Romo obviously want to have them to make sure you're broadcast is pristine, but I can't think of anybody in the history of the world is that you know what I was thinking about watching this NFL game, but I'm not gonna watch because this guys broadcasting, or more importantly I'm going to watch because this guy is calling the game.

I think it's a reputation think I think of sending a message for ongoing TV negotiations and the television contracts expiring in 2022 and it sending a message that a CBS is still putting on better broadcasting of the NFL and live events that ESPN the hell is this the drive. This is kind of everything until you get caught up with all these toys well not totally true because of the bachelorette Drive with Josh Brown or tub triad to be joined in moments by Cleo Hill Junior, head coach of the CI AA champion Winston-Salem State Rams and what a game it was expect from center to set the scene very quickly. For those who didn't follow it over the weekend. Winston-Salem State just two years ago had five wins on a season that hasn't one. The CI AA championship in eight years were down 11 points with less than four minutes remaining and went on a miraculous run ended up winning by a bucket, a last-second heave by Fayetteville state didn't go and there was just pure emotion on the floor for the Rams Cleo Hill Junior of course the sun of the Winston-Salem State legend Cleo Hill senior who played alongside Earl the Pearl Monroe way back on those legendary teams had a run of success in the MBA as well so will chat with Cleo Hill Junior and just a bit. That is it.

The only great college basketball story from over the weekend you may have missed Jim Calhoun is a former national championship winning coach at you, and he's been out of the one coaching for the last handful of years.

Kevin Ali took over for him, probably in 2012 or 2013.

They won the national title in 2014 Kevin Ali has since been fired. Dan Hurley, now the head coach at UConn, but coach Calhoun got back into it a couple of years ago, but not at the D1 ranks as I mentioned, he is at D3 St. Joseph in West Hartford, Connecticut Connecticut and his team went 26 into this year 2062 and they won their conference championship this weekend to get it automatic bid into the D3 NCAA tournament and what makes the story even more incredible.

I was reading a story that Chris Bingle wrote for CBSSports. Apparently the those school he was at only accepted men may just two years ago as an institution so they didn't have men's basketball program and they didn't even accept men into their institution before 2018. Yet this year and the MPC stages of this program. They had to early losses in the month of November and since then have just gone on a roll of 25 game winning streak when they started the season one into 25 consecutive wins for Jim Calhoun and his St. Joseph team in D3 basketball.

I thought that was a really neat deal as well. We have another national championship winning coach is going to be on this show.

Tubby Smith is good to join us from High Point. He is one of the nine active D1 head coaches who have won national championships joining the list of Tony Bennett, Jay Wright, Roy Williams, coach K Bill self John Calipari Jim Daly Chaim Tom Izzo, all of those coaches have won national championships. As has Tubby Smith, whose High Point Panthers had a rough go of it.

22 losses this year more than Tubby Smith had in a very long time. His High Point Panthers are to play in the big South tournament tomorrow. It seems we have difficulty trying to find Cleo Hill Junior so will hope to chat with him and just a bit, but it was a wonderful story this weekend at spectrum center and it's the last year there to be playing the CI AA tournament in Charlotte.

They're going to move things to Baltimore starting next year.

In addition to that going on whether to keep it in Island Duke, NC State later on tonight. Zion Williamson face Lebron James last night and it was a standout performance and I want to spend some time on that in about 10 minutes Zion facing Lebron for the first time last Tuesday and then last night about what had to.

Heads will get back to that in 10 minutes when LB enjoyed by Cleo Hill Junior, the head coach of Winston-Salem State basketball so I spelled it out. I set the scene about as well as I could coach. What happened late in that game. How you guys came back the historical significance of it as well and of course your background, how much time passed after the buzzer sounded in Charlotte before you thought about your legendary dad and what this accomplishment might've meant to him, loaded their will. It wasn't the end of the game.

It was actually throughout the course of the game that I thought about him the possibility of both winning the game of what it would mean it would with your mama throughout the game, but at the time of the buzzer all about with my younger daughter fades and phages.

The one that came over and said that Pol Pot would be proud. Didn't get out from there. The most I can only imagine what age did you realize how much your dad and Earl the Pearl Monroe mattered around here and what Winston-Salem statement to him that was pretty early probably around the nine maybe, maybe years old of my parents were big painters at the house.

Always govern the parties, always having a cookout.

So that really all I knew filled great. I thought we talked Earl before the game of rock 'n' roll but I reminded him of meeting him when I was 10 years old at a cookout in on New Jersey and now I told him that they were always my dream backcourt as a young fella that was, when I knew I was always a friend of of Earl but it was around that time, figured out that my father was actually pretty good ballplayers well thought around nine or 10 you go Winston-Salem head coach Winston-Salem State Cleo Hill Junior with us on sports and try it consisting was picked eighth in the preseason and hasn't won a CI AA championship in years and this seems to years removed from winning just five games in a season.

You guys were down 11 points of the final four minutes of the championship game now that you have a little bit of time to reflect on this. How old do you want this team to be remembered. This run to be remembered. Probably might go the head basketball coach them in a job that I never dreamed in a million years that I would have not because I wasn't qualified but I just put with Beta University. Such a high pedestal from my background knowing about so after after getting the job is about accountability. Knowing Earl since 10 years old and knowing my father was a pretty good basketball player around the fainthearted.

It wasn't too far after that coach again at a function of about 12 years old of anybody knows coach gave the boys the profound aura about himself that it sounds like you talking to God without fault old and he became my mentor.

Once I became a head coach. We had many talks about life coaching.

So I will partake in the job that you would have to have pigskin that the legend of current big game: Cleo Hill and Monk's others as well that ship was definitely a part of what you signed up for where the ribs conference championship national Ship of greatness was the expectation as well as graduating naturally so it would always is a lot coming with the and if you're not prepared for all of that. You don't take the job and I was always prepared to take on those sound suspending you guys start the year with without friendly and exhibition against North Carolina year coach Williams talking about touch gains meant to him and how much respect he had coach gains in what you're saying I think rings true with the standard that should be set at Winston-Salem State. I just got a note coach. How do you celebrate after that Board will report again about the day before. Maybe Friday after leaving Claflin of the coaches got together we have a real good chance of winning the game tomorrow. Let's think positive and when we when we are all going to go to the outside pole of the hotel and its code or below 2° at the time so that that was our celebration yeah yeah I didn't think Michael is going to remember thoughts Bakelite. We got to the hotel." Now where you're ready to come job started going outside phone started turning on that we celebrate all my goodness that's fantastic touch that way meant a lot to a lot of people around here and it was great to see continued success.

We hope it and I will continue to follow you guys. Thanks for the visit got it. That is Cleo Hill Junior from Winston-Salem State CI AA chance from over the weekend. Something I saw this weekend reminded me of Kobe and Jack tell you what that was next on the droplets so please keep it to yourself. Just know that you're on the drive with Josh Graham March 1 time this year. North Carolina look like North Carolina against Syracuse: Anthony was tremendous Tar Heel shared the ball better than they have it any point this year and this is the month it has to happen for the Tar Heel specifically next week in Greensboro where eight days from the start of the ACC tournament in these parts, and I don't think it's impossible for North Carolina to win it all next week. I really don't which means their NCAA tournament chances are exactly dead yet. The Tar Heels are in dead last in the ACC standings they got there five fifth conference went of the year on Saturday.

But here's the case for North Carolina coal is learning to close game, which is something you just can't know how to do until you actually do it and I understand his lottery packed excellent player hit big shots gets Notre Dame, but when he came back from injury missing the month and 1/2.

He wasn't very efficient.

The first four games.

He shot 36% or less from the field in the last five games for North Carolina he's 49% or better in every single one of the NC State game. It was a turning point for coal and for UNC it was a relief to have a lead at the end of the game. Even though NC State cut it to three and made things dramatic the same way Virginia did. Notre Dame did. Georgia Tech did. Boston College did Duke did the leads got away from them and they ultimately lost those games North Carolina close things out.

There was a relief sweeping throughout the Smith Center. When that happened the chemistry between Garrison Brooks and Cole Anthony. It's improved greatly and it's been a massive difference maker see it has just happened the last two games North Carolina.

They closed out to get it's a stately built off that I get Syracuse but just look at the last five games for Garrison where he's closed averaging a double double over the five-game stretch. He's had at least 20 points and five rebounds in the last five games.

Christian Keeling. He looked like a plan. We thought he was going to be coming to the Tar Heels from Charleston Southern. He's averaging 13 points a game and the last date that we don't know if even those with the three-point line is he said he had a three and he was surprised he was behind the three-point line against the pack, but putting that aside this a small sample size. He's playing pretty well right now and we've seen crazier things happen in conference tournament week. Remember, Yukon. In 2011 10th in the Big East standings. They had the play on Tuesday they work to make the tournament unless they want a couple games in the Big East field that year, Deborah Walker and Company 15 straight games and the latter for or against ranked teams.

They won the Big East tournament that year, North Carolina. They have a lottery pick who's playing his best ball right now they want it. Syracuse convincingly and that's not an easy place to win beat Oregon which is about as good of a win is anybody in the bottom five or six of the ACC standings has all year long in the ACC. How many ranked teams would North Carolina have to go through in order to win the tournament they want and at the phase 1 on Tuesday or Wednesday, you probably would. On Thursday, assuming that Virginia continues its success. There ranked in the top 25. Now, you probably play a ranked team on Thursday. Maybe play another on Friday and another on Saturday so it's one less ranking than Yukon of the run into and we've seen the unevenness all year long Florida State with the Clemson lost Clemson this year's beaten the Seminoles, Louisville Duke, North Carolina in Chapel Hill. What opponent is unbeatable for North Carolina presents the worst matchup with the target because they had Florida State dead the rights on the road in Tallahassee. They had Duke in the worst possible predicament that could be in twice Louisville that was the one convincing game. North Carolina had against the top tier of the ACC, but I was played in the Yum Center. If the Tar Heels have any level of success in Greensboro the crowd to be behind them. Most of the people were going to the Coliseum. I do magic target.

The biggest cut of that pipe Tar Heel fans that Tuesday and if they win that Wednesday and so on and so forth. I don't think North Carolina failed to complete given up hope.

So on that you're saying it's gonna happen, but I'm not ruling it out today to let us blame it's best ball right now they are looking like the team.

We thought was good to be the second best team in the ACC in the preseason poll. Your thoughts are welcome on twitter at sports of dry at three 367-1600 is the phone number Kelby Smith High Point head basketball coach to join us in a little over five minutes letter also said something crazy and let's get crazy short while ago though he said that walkoff locked aflame the wrapper isn't a whack wrapper.

The reason I was brought up. I don't know who to give credit to hear Robert but walkoff locked aflame gave an interview where he was talking about his rap in a way that seemed about as honest as anything I've ever heard from somebody in that industry. Here's that's out. I want to figure how can I become a multimillionaire of business data will wrap all the way to outweigh follow-through filled timeout room is okay.

My lackeys's realness overcame his wackiness, but I think most people agree with waka that he is a whack wrapper like his music is ridiculous.

It incited violence.

I think in some cases, about a decade ago like it was a very weird time when his music was hitting but Robert he he went out there and said that his music actually is more profound than you think that he is not wack by any means. So I challenged Robert to find one of his songs that he finds to be profound to be not wack and just simply read the lyrics and not to expect you to wrap here. I just want you to play the instrumental for a song and to read the lyrics. Robert taken away.

I got a whole lot of money.

Nice lady bottles keep hopping and that's why those bad ladies are jockeying for the party you have already already there.

What just go, I decided the water right as he was, and I did not expect you boys to say waka waka Laurent Waters all across the studio I missed that I was reading the lyrics but I don't think his music incited anymore violence than like not give you book a few bucks can the people in a fight, but I mean you're right.

Some of his songs do have that almost omnipotent presence is just a guess as they come all just snatch every single person that party and make them party at the same time. Listen to me if anybody in the Greensboro Coliseum.

Anybody works is going to be working with the ACC tournament hears my voice right now, not a few but needs to be prominently featured at the ACC tournament. It is an ACC tradition in these parts like North Carolina key spots in the game by a mix in some luck if you but at the Smith Center and I'm here to tell you last year in Charlotte championship games about to be played at Duke and Florida State. I see the DJ I walk up to him. This is probably about 30 to 45 minutes before Duke Pl., Florida State, Seneca got nephew Buck is no my well you probably should. Big deal here for the ACC, especially the ACC media were all about it.

So is also what I can do babe. They announced the starting lineups and as the players are walking on the floor music that starts playing is, you guessed it, crime mobs to be Buck and I looked across the press row and I just see 89 maybe 10 Caucasian men who looked like they couldn't contain themselves were about to jump on the floor and act a fool yeah that's the one song that if you're downtown and that song comes on and you're not with your friends.

You need to find them because someone will get in a fight so that song will come on instantly all the beef all the animosity all the hatred comes to the surface and it just boils up and people to start swinging and scary on twitter at sports of tried. Is there a better example of a song.

People act a fool during then crime mobs not to be Buck or something by waka Flocka, the great Tubby Smith is going to join the show next on the drop really appreciate you listening and thanks you from the bottom of his twisted little congratulations he won over a complete imbecile drive with Josh grandma's Pforzheim triad is more with me getting set to go all across college basketball.

The women's tournament in Greensboro for the ACC will take hold tomorrow. I'm looking High Point basketball schedule High Point to be playing USC upstate tomorrow night in the big South tournament and I'm to start things off with the stat here. There are nine active D1 head coaches who have won national championships in all of college basketball Tony Bennett last year. Of course Jay right before that Roy Williams coach K John Calipari Bill self Jim Daly Chaim Tom Izzo and our next guest home to the triad high points. Tubby Smith, I know you don't need much of an introduction coach, but I gave you one anyway how's it going so well you you watching the box score goal as well as read, but then again there, we chose to build this program, young players, young talented people from the region from the area so that there again I'm not disappointed as I would be if this was an upper-class group like you are/were able to squeak out 16 ways last year. Squeak out this year required probably to tough to schedule a history High Point basketball so we bright future ahead when you're out of the recruiting trail.

How often is the selling point, including hey, I've coached the very best in college basketball or just to make it simpler. How often do you wear the national championship ring when you're out and about.

Very seldom do I wear it but I will probably have to put it all once you get on a recruiting trip by 922 probably think in this guy coach at all, but we had to restore some to the program and I think this back. The youthfulness that we have in the new facility, so it's not just because we got it the right way. Over the years before one of nine coaches with a natural capture get some assistant coach there to help me. I got a great staff and are doing a fantastic job and we just need to get a little more debt, losing three players this year to see one left earlier in the season so I figure that would be okay. As you mentioned, no, you're not accustomed to losing more than 20 games in a season but it's kind of been that year in basketball, not just college but prohealth Steve Curry has all these losses with Golden State Roy Williams.

We see him down the road. He's having peace. He seems like after games. He wants to pull his hair out the women's game out that the girl have a tough year at Notre Dame.

So how have you been handling it. I have have has it taken time to allow for perspective to set it. I know not really because you're so busy trying to get players better when we played better recently that we lost a couple couple lost by eight the other day we lost about four to Asheville were lost. Part three. The longer we have a chance when all those games that I would put us free will. When you give us 12 with 12, 13, where some momentum, but even at that, we we know that where the youngest team in the league. We know that where you start three freshman through sophomores that really knows some more start again Rob Peterson and Katie Sanchez but they been giving it their all and they will be better because they played the obit of every again this year. It's High Point had basketball coach Tubby Smith with us here his Panthers get a taste USC upstate Spartans tomorrow in the big South tournament at 7 o'clock to on the road but I'm just so glad you ended up connected to this area of High Point in the first place. As soon I think many of our listeners know you attended High Point College back in the 70s and it's cool that you're back in coaching here the last handful years, but how close were you to not going to High Point instead playing for Lefty Gizella Marilyn, are you Gatling robots graphically for coach Drysdale lifted his first year will that spring is going pretty much made up my mind going to Maryland and happy life. You see it all the time. They are small, small publicity surrounding coaches departures all Plato coaches, new coaches coming in with the transfer report for being able to move coaches being able to move left and right. People just don't have the patience would have to be at high toward photographing apnea met my wife year 44, 46 years ago near the girls will there's been a wonderful and great to get back to High Point on campuses exploding premier universities and premier and so in the country but mediocre brain.goodbye, here's this big remarkable shortage in special and so were excited about the new facility that will be all bore total alignment sheer go there a lot a lot of positive things happening here even though we're we struggle to win games is been a fun season. As far as seeing the growth and development of our youngsters how rules have changed over the years, and one of the things you noted was the transfer portal what you think of the new transfer rules that are being discussed within the NCAA offices right now. The one time transfer being something that allows for guys to transfer without having to sit out a year. I don't know if I remember I said something I made a comment about it when I was in Memphis what are we teaching kids how to quit and Mary works there approach you get fired to Carol Eric of imparting archer have you been porridge about you understand just one more goal the direction you want to do a student athlete to let them transfer free agency. But even MBA as a deadline when you have to. And then they have to give up certain things was all my own mind, acute transfer file five school just compensate us for the loss of that scholarships really stress stress prayer you making it will make a lot of money.

All five schools of rework object of acute transfer from High Point to through a pile five school we should become the University should just let Omar that best dissuade it for me. We had three kids leisure two years wonder doing their own wonderful child grateful to God that we miss a mutual agreement knows what they were doing this for a number of enough for the one time transfer but it is coming anyway. What you have to meet all glory your Aldrich transfer qualifications you got to be eligible here in good standing at the University leaving and so forth and so on. The sprinklers to give our kids move into a pile five school to nonpareil five school.

It might be easier but but you might see guards are left out program for Excel that are playing and other pile five schools in this order. Those who Texas Tech, Minnesota, Kentucky, Georgia, so it will be something interesting. This company Smith with this year. High Point had basketball coach. His Panthers tomorrow to be in action in the big South tournament. I want him things on a high note here, you grew up on a farm. Our producer grew up on a farm.

He didn't have 16 brothers and sisters see you. You played college ball at High Point College. So I got to know who's the best athlete of you and your 16 brothers and sisters who could put younger brother played special baseball, but he's about as talented Williams play for the Yankee organization relate to the big lake you call the best athlete in family mama mama was the right answer right there always the best way coach. Let's not make it 23 losses tomorrow to win the big South tournament. I know you're turning things around. Sometimes it just takes a little bit of time to do so it's good to hear your voice. Best of luck. Thank you Richard, you got it. That is Tubby Smith. High Point head coach joining us for a bit.

If you have 17 kids. Does that make you the best athlete in the family.

Robert like his apparent who has that many children and athlete is that a sport when you start getting into Philip Rivers range dome on territory only mode call that a skill may not not a skill I don't love you would call them the best athlete but deftly the best child rear Roger does take a toll on your body physical for sure right. He referenced some comments he had at the University of Memphis. I think what's newsworthy. That's that people might actually take from that interview, Tubby Smith talking about the one time transfer proposal that the NCAA is looking at the ACC said there about it. They want to have athletes with more freedom and opportunity to transfer out having to sit out a year W just heard him say if a player transfers from High Point to a power five school we should be compensated for that scholarships the University should be bought. I forgot about the comments he had at Memphis a few years ago they do stick out and it's one of those quotes that I think people were split on you have a large faction of the audience that is old-school and thanks yeah these athletes aren't as tough as we were and were teaching him how to quit and then the other side a little bit more progressive people thinking okay well these athletes are getting paid. These coaches they can leave and go wherever they want. Sure, they could be fired, but athletes they can lose their scholarships and theory to year to year and it just doesn't seem right to minimalize in this way, Robert, do we have the sound. This is Tubby Smith back when he was a member.

While we will talk to them. Kids have a lot options now days with the new NCAA regulations guys can transfer when they want as long time like that it would hundred Division I players transfer leisure over 800 hello digital output doing things are going. Let's quit her member, Dan was a freshman High Point College data entry on this that had happy year model that allows women to Blacks in the whole school – a son so I do some. Do you know they still you still didn't show they still feed as to how student education as is her sweet capable management taken this 1960s, when you join the Army best thing ever said to me plus who I saw when I see this national max exit exit is what it is now so that's Tubby Smith and I can already hear people agreeing with him Word for Word with that thought, I think this goes back to how you view college athletics. If you think it's a business, then you're not that I have an issue with this you can have an issue with the one time transfer if you view it as something that is probably just short of professional sports which I'm here to shatter your world if you don't believe that it is it is a meat market. In a lot of ways it is very close to professional sports results really do matter right then please spare me all the stuff about building guys in building these athletes right like here for the entertainment value here because we we view it in markets like this when we didn't have professional sports. We didn't have the Hornets we didn't have the Panthers we didn't have the hurricane we had the college team mattered so much in the results, they do matter right there.

There are people who believe that college basketball be ruined if athletes make things make money off their likeness make money from the school or whatever. I never really thought that way. There was a time where the Olympic athletes didn't make anything they said no one will watch the Olympics if these guys were no longer amateurs and of course it was wrong so I struggle to agree with the sentiment of Tubby Smith in the past, but it does seem Tubby is progressing and thinking.

Hey, if a bit of you is a business, then let's treat it like a business. If we're going to have a great power five level player at High Point and somebody punches him away free agency almost then we should be compensated by I don't know if that's what Tubby wants to see happening based on the way he said it just there, but it does seem like this is the coaches argument in response to letter sent out with the business coaches they could go wherever they want, so why not us know there has to be some consequence. If not by the player. The maybe the University and if everybody's making money all across the place and why not do it tomorrow. Mack Brown's could do it. That's of interest in his thoughts and the one time transfer rule talk to him about the Carolinas. Well what's going on. The spring practice as quick. Show update Robert.

I accepted your ridiculous proposal because I was sick one day last week I had to keep the Christmas lights on my car with the Rudolph the red nose reindeer nose and the deer antlers in the elf legs hanging out the back of the trunk. Today's the last day tomorrow.

You and the kids to take this thing off my car that's going to happen. The kids are to be very upset by the jostling of their little faces you don't do that. Had to leap off so I said you all of you sitting there, there I was driving around Winston on Saturday night having dinner with Darren Vaught who broadcast High Point and I parked my car parallel parked it downtown. Winston and right in front of one of the bars at the trade Street, some guy is like to hear what he saying that he grabbed like the person next to them visibly started pointing and laughing at my car and Chick-fil-A workers are just roasting me the drive through line. It's brutal man it's been brutal. I hate it probably got to get the house similar to a superhero when you don a mask, you put yourself in perils way.

I think that has to