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WSJ sports have you on Monday drive where with help question the game of the weekend was North Carolina's overtime win against Baylor.

And that's saying something about Duke Michigan State which will get to in just a bit very good, as was Arizona TCU late last night and so on and so forth.

Here's what I found most compelling about Carolina Baylor. We got to see how powerful and how limited this Tar Heel team could be in the same game. How often is that the case usually it's a Jekyll or hide one of the other Dr. Jekyll or Mr. hot. Not both.

After Saturday, I like it's an exaggeration to say North Carolina when it's right when it's at its best. There is no starting five in America playing better than they errors is right now and were nicknamed iron. Five.

After playing every minute of the second half and Cameron that legacy of the arm five only group when they ran Baylor off the floor. They were embarrassing.

Baylor remember these are the defending champs.

They were 1C and North Carolina's up big in the first half their up 27 points in the second half.

So that was North Carolina at their best at their peak power. Then we saw how limited they can be when Brady manic was unjustly tossed from the game when that happened, North Carolina suddenly didn't look like a tournament team. They don't have death so that Hubert's fault not playing tantra styles or marker done during the year. I have no idea worker one Walton is been why he's fallen off the face of the planet Justin McCoy so on. Again, etc. you know that story. We've covered some of that Hubert's fault. Most of it isn't bad at then rotation even when Dawson Garcia and Anthony Harris were on the team before Harris became ineligible or let's just say ruled out because the way they framed it and also Garcia left the team under ominous circumstances surrounding an illness in his family. The rotations then you want to doesn't have a lot of debt. So when manic left became what looked like was going to be one of the greatest blowouts of a number one seed pre-final four looked like was about to turn into perhaps the greatest collapse in the history of the tournament. Not only are you up 27.0 27 points. You're approaching the halfway mark of the second half, you lose a 25 point lead.

Almost immediately, you look like you've never seen pressure before your throwing the ball you're struggling to inbound. It it was getting really scary, really fast just because they lost 1.that speaks to a lack of death. I was most impressed with how North Carolina responded to that. The most impressive stretch was and how they got up 27 points know it was an over time finding a way to win because I didn't think they had any shot tantra styles it the most important shot of the season for North Carolina. Listen to what he just said, I'll say it again Don trust titles hit the most important chapter Carolina basketball in a round of 32 win over number one seed. No Caleb love no Brady manic love fouling out and you have all that pressure of being up 27 and your season is about to in potentially in your face. A good team that has more talent than you do in your bounce back and who was the guy delivered at every turn.

RJ Davis, career-high 30 points and with one minute left to go. He made a six-point game hitting Anand one to put away the bears as was RJ.

After the game, talking about what drove him and how he found the energy in the mental toughness to finish off Baylor given all that had transpired doing all I mean there was no time to be tired on the overtime news at stake in New Orleans when we want to get to the next round so no at that point I was in Matata my savages. You know that my team is together, regroup, and some to obtain composer as it is when Matt Carney and Roberts place today producing today show 336-777-1600. The phone number if you want, and on Twitter at WSJ sports marketing Greensboro on the line when sent Mark. I thought this was the most powerful Carolina can look and also the most limited. They can look without Brady in the lineup, removing one piece of that iron. Five. What you think know it issue I like to admit. You feel like Chris but told no got you on your show is a reasonable got yes Krista told you he was in Greenville, South Carolina, and was an assistant coach for Coach K's resume now working for ESPN and for those who don't know what my fish, my officiating take is I haven't so much put the so much on social media, but it's essentially that my golden rule when it comes to rest do not unnecessarily insert yourself into the result they did manic was unjustly thrown out of that game for that reason, I don't think the officials did a good job but other than that I think any qualms.

People had about the, the officials were more to do with how often they were blowing whistles versus the calls actually being inaccurate or them being incompetent. I felt that the mob mentality of it was a bit unsettling. I don't think either side got an unfair whistle but I felt that one mistake that they made the throw manic out.

That was them breaking the rule they unnecessarily inserted themselves will get that out of your like you're misinterpreting what all Carolina. I am not. I have no Carolina not rooted for them ever.

What's your take on batteries like what is your like pointed light when I look at my timeline. I have long and joint while Carolina getting close that you know that it wasn't just a knee-jerk reaction from the Carolina people, I mean NPI and eight NPP grand who literally would rather kiss on jersey bingo North Carolina gamble to their people that that's also people that follow along with what the national media say we met in Orlando is saying and others are saying it's so easy to just following line and say all these things without pointing to anything specific. So rather than just fans. Tell me why you thought the officials didn't do her job because you both are going to where you start with both turn and they don't turn in the way that you know you can point you hate it with the Leventhal content unit game. There were one point been going about it yet and revolving Carolina with anything going Baylor. The thing that I don't like you all the rest. Just go for it and kind of bring pressure the entire rest of the game.

Now all that they were calling order in the game when Baylor was not aggressive, but Carolyn was getting when they're getting bumped on closeout.

When are you going to the back getting hit now.

None of those calls are existing so just do the players have to adjust hundred percent but that's the frustration I think that and have watching the game with the official eviction for the split should all of a sudden it here and then it goes there had nothing to do with people getting cheated. Max, my point about prescription scripts. The goal is that you feel that on the radio today that that crew should be allowed to officiate another Damien. Her either reasonable got mob mentality got laughed at first question like that performance was refereed should negate them from again. Going forward thinking up in the playoffs would think that he and the Tennessee game. Those reps were allowed to be in the playoffs again.

They were kicked out. So I feel I feel the same way I do understand. I think you simplify like they all go.

Don't blame it on the ref no waiting on the rest. But for that game but should not have happened because those resins were themselves knowledge of the manic ejection received: you remind me of something that's an interesting analogy and I actually don't have an issue if they don't want to see another game this is me saying they did a good job they did a bad job because they inserted himself in the game were kind of saying the same thing here. I have no issue if they don't work. Another game because they broke that rule. That's a rule that's hard to break.

Sometimes in day went out of their way to do it so I don't have an issue if they don't work. Another game I don't think they did a good job but I'm being a little bit more specific about it, then summer being pretending some of these other calls and announcing you're doing this Mark specifically others are trying to pinpoint other calls that I personally didn't have any issue with as means to save the screws incompetent when really it all goes back to that manic call. That's the way that I feel the analogy I thought of you ever play had you played in 64 before Mario kart. Absolutely I think what marks arguing is it's kinda like your behind in the race and you get those items that you get when you hit like arrows and things of that nature was word on the blue shell yeah yeah no no no you get.

It's just a toddler, how are you get you get better itemize you when you're behind in the race then when you're leading the race and I guess what he's suggesting is and I think it's fair that maybe you got a more favorable whistle because are down 25, 27, maybe Brady manic doesn't get tossed from the game. If it's a one-point game in the final minute.

Then if you're up 25 but will never really know the answer to that on Twitter W STS port 33 677-1600 if you want to continue trying to get when Jim Nance joined our show a few months ago. He told us he was almost certain he and his crew would be wherever Coach K and Duke were for the NCAA tournament and surely enough, it's Nance it's Raff it's Grant Hill in Greenville, South Carolina, that since that conversation conversation we had answered. Been thinking what can blind can I use for my final call for Kay's last year. Yesterday he went with the music is still playing for Coach K's last dance which is pretty good but I bet you he didn't have that line prepare with about five minutes to go. At that point, Duke was following the script with the that would have their season ending Greenville incredibly proud of my guys this is. This was set.

You guys were terrific man. I'm so I'm really proud to be your coach. Now that it had nothing.

There were coaches in those last for five minutes.

All had to do with heart and togetherness and they follow their hearts and God bless him in the Sweet 16.

Yeah, let's go to KB and emotional but the reason he was emotional wasn't because they followed the scripting out eliminated falling short of the Sweet 16 know he was proud because what transpired after that the script completely flipped.

I thought they were cooked. It was 60 or 7065 smarty five left to go and Michigan State was on a nine nothing. Ron and the body language was bad for Duke. It was similar to what I saw up close. When North Carolina was Upland Duke in the final minutes Coach K last game at Cameron with the pressure to seem like it was too great for them and they wilted. I felt something similar happened when Virginia Tech ran away with it late against Duke in the ACC championship game and this is a single elimination tournament and Michigan State. As older guys. They have a lot of talent. I thought they were going to get Michigan State – how many years has the recipe to beat Duke in the tournament that hit the reason don't turn over the ball. That's kinda what it is and they hit 50% of their threes 22 attempts and on top of that they had seven turnovers. They did their part. It looked like it was good to be a Michigan State win, but what followed, leading to that emotional answer by K was the greatest collective display of resolve leasing for this Duke team all year long and every guy had a hand in making it happen. It wasn't one guy taking over like RJ Davis with the Tar Heels know it was Mark Williams grabbing a big rebound and hitting free threats underrate a free-throw shooter, Mark Williams, when Delmore getting the stop Michigan State credits keep Paula Montero and Jeremy roach out of the paint to keep Trevor keels there and killed Bates a big defensive place to come in off the bench and then it was keels hitting the most important shot of the game. He might've been the most important blue devil down the stretch of this season, but the big reason why I think K was his motion as emotional as he was when he said that was because I think K retired Cape thought about retiring a year ago but one of the things that drew him back to Duke was this tournament having moments in this tournament. It's crazy to think because of the pandemic and Duke last year.

Not being good there being a lot of extenuating circumstances that to Duke hasn't played in an NCAA tournament game three years in Zion.

Williams was on the roster. Coach K when he says after the game. I'm 75.

How lucky you might have a moment like that coach 42 years and this is one of the greatest five minute stretches at the end of the game for us to close things out. What a moment against Tom Izzo against Michigan State. To do that in this tournament. How lucky am I to get to experience that one more time to get to do. That's that's I think a big part of the reason why you want to come back. His career is to be to find out what he did in March and the numbers are staggering is 199 NCAA tournament games. The next closest is Jim behind was 62. But then perspective for Jim behind to catch Coach get it up to win six straight national championships and when one more to tie Coach K's Mark right now.

It's unbelievable. He's 15 national temperatures. He's been at Duke for 42 years he's made 26 Sweet 16 have the right 22 Sweet 16's with the exact number is but it's over 20 remarkable.

The numbers that is produced in this tournament. So the thought that he would retire without his last game being in the tournament that's defined his career unfathomable. 26 sweet 16. Thank you, thank you. That's over 65% of the tart the seasons he's had a Duke. They made the Sweet 16.

Meanwhile, Elon and High Point there just hoping to get into the tournament one time ever there, one of the few teams in D1 that have never been to tournament East Carolina. I went on the pirate they haven't been to the tournament since 1993 Dukes undercoat case printed 26 sweet 16's.

It's amazing I wouldn't call it the Sweet 16 until 85 and expanded at 64 so you start thinking about it. 26 okay will let Texas back to 1996, only 11 years 11 years is 85 that Dukes not a part of that unbelievable you are listening to W STS Winston-Salem Greensboro to BPC and Burlington to Vienna for High Point signals makeup W SJS sports okay but today we got brine geysers to join us at 530 were few minutes past 5 o'clock sure you subscribe to the best of podcasts or to drive Josh Graham and iTunes Apple podcast spot, affiant anchor, we still have another parodic Carrington tickets that were to give away on tomorrow's show.

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NC State at half time leads K state, 43 to 27 Alyssa Canadian got and found trouble with a couple of thousand. The first three or four minutes of the game didn't matter to its core point in the first quarter yet NC state was still leading after one and now the leading at halftime by 16. This is a true national title contender and they state the nine seed probably imagine not to get into much closer and this one assuming command is able to play more minutes.

Jones is nine points and five rebounds. We assist as well.

Rayna Perez monster Kayla Jones, Rayna Perez team to be a hobby had acrobatic layout in the first half as well. Keep an eye on this close on this one, but NC state probably can run away with it later on tonight North Carolina in action against Arizona 54 match at 10 o'clock as the Tar Heels have to go on the road to win an advance to the Sweet 16, number four is today the trade deadline and the National Hockey League does not have. I'm seeing on trade notes today at 3 o'clock with the NHL trade deadline and the Carolina hurricanes today. Yes, very competency in the ME nailed it a year contract today for crack in the ME young player involved that controversy to pull him away in the offer sheet with the Montréal Canadiens, Max Domi. He is a Carolina hurricane now accorded the peer Lebron that happened right before the deadline hit the 28 goalscorer not too long ago will see where he slots in once things get iron through and you figure out where he could fit in onto a team that expects to be a Stanley Cup contender. A lockup copy in the ME they bring in another score, and Max Domi had some problems being available that's with the cane done deadline number three Charlotte are going for five in a row tonight. They got the New Orleans pelicans escaped Charlotte now Charlotte games over 501 game over 500 and hurricane back at the Brooklyn Nets for number eight in the Eastern conference standing. This is what's kind of interesting about it though what you want to set it up that you play if you were to play Brooklyn playing situation.

You do not play in Charlotte but instead in Brooklyn that what you don't worry about Kari Irving home court advantage might not be so much of one for the net that comes to fear Charlotte might be in the 90 that way we can play the 10 and if we lose well then we got Tyree that the gains could be in Brooklyn and Tyree's probably that's not to be able to play the interesting hypothetical in the way of gamesmanship.

Something to look at number two got a lot of NFC South quarterback that's got video of the Carolina Panthers at Kitty pickets birthday examining his hands. Did you see this video where you got and been back there just staring at his hand holding a football as if they've never seen a pair of human will, not holding them with laces is interesting. So the entire Panthers grasses. There the Colts.

They traded for Matt Ryan, which means that Ryan is no longer in the NFC South.

Marcus Mary Jo designed with two-year deal in Atlanta to replace Matt Ryan and the fans are up in arms because it only took 1/3 round pick, bring in that Ryan when they traded a second and the fourth floor Sam Donald last year they they were not going to trade doing NFC South team and a big part of Sam Donald's value was his contract and how inexpensive it was relative to a guy like Matt Ryan, who also is about a decade older than Donald little bit more difficult to say that in 280 characters on Twitter twitter's to get mad.

Why on this showing talk radio shows in general.

We had a little bit more time to and get into some of the context why these things make sense. The New Orleans Saints locked up things Winston for two more years. Last of the NFC South have pretty active day in number one hideaway. Alyssa contained South the Summerfield discord for first two points of the game to open up the second half as he states up by 50 if she goes scoreless and 1/2 and you're still up by 13 points.

It's time the government looking for that possible UConn that the fact that's not to be played in Greensboro this and number one on the five things five today the number one story brought to you by our friends, precision, garage door, Citizen Kane is really that good but apparently a there's been a negative review. You negative critical review added to the Rotten Tomatoes page that already had 115 reviews all of which were positive and negative review that said that this movie was not in fact an all-time classic and you might be thinking all this is terrible how they can view it this way will know this is a review that is been on earth from 80 years ago in the Chicago Tribune where it appears even back then, there's always that one person in the media that wants to be contrarian.

Oh everybody likes this thing will actually here's why it wasn't that good.

Here's the headline in the Chicago Tribune back in 1942. Citizen Kane fails to impress critic's greatest film ever. Greatest ever filmed. That was the headline that ran back then fantastic with Paddington at some point like not that long ago will know that was the audience score.

I don't think the critical score was ever at 100, Paddington five fantastic that somebody thinks that it's not that good. This is what this is an excerpt from the story. It's interesting it's different. In fact, it's bizarre enough to become a museum.

Please what it says sacrifice of simplicity to sentencing to eccentrically overall but it of distinction in general entertainment value. Picturing this person with Leica robe and a glass of wine as the pinky in the in the air as you see this moving.

I actually have not of course you don't want that actually have not you just haven't. And that was the really, how long is that list, how much time you get about 30 seconds of Pulp Fiction is okay. You need to see that apparently is a 40-year-old Virgin holy. Again, if you haven't seen Citizen Kane. All yet you did see through a long movie from the 40s. Mike and Ignacio for this. Is it me saying nobody should see it.

If you want to write and it's influential in the movie it holds up in a lot of way you're this guy in Chicago terrible.

That was. I wonder if his opinion changed after that. Maybe he set that I wasn't a good thing. Robert Ebert even had that happened, Roger Ebert where he would say, a movie wasn't that good at the time and then years later if you like. All I really reviewed it, got apparently didn't like do the right thing when it first happened, and then 10 years later after second thought against the Geisinger to join us in about 15 minutes know how precise the guys today because I'm valuing my mental health usually lose in that game and hurts my confidence start the week doing here's a question I have though is the ACC the best conference in college basketball. I buy that, but maybe not for the reason you're thinking next life for yours@bankofamerica.com/more rewarding. Copyright 21 Bank of America Corporation some really great point, see the man tries with Josh on WSJ at sports.

I still like Baylor. When Carolina looked awesome yesterday. Hard to expect that the look is great yesterday tomorrow 3.9 seconds left to survive in national champions and see two guys. The pressure of the farewell tour is broken. Do and I don't see them getting past the first week and I really don't spirit is here. I thought Robert not here crying Geisinger joining us on the phone now not to play out besides the guys I'm protecting my mentals by not getting beaten down in that game that this is going to be a really positive segment for yours truly, but I guess not. When we got Sarah McLachlan keep me accountable here on a Monday crying Geisinger from ACC sports.com here to join us and make our show a lot smarter than it normally is, whose recovery desperation effort in the final five minutes impressed you most do, or North Carolina's I think you simply by a human can look at it. Either way and we can touch on why you would for the baptistery you but I think you considering the stakes, setting expectations that you can type for Duke. The lack for minutes, possibly of the guys that were playing together. Maybe Mike shift you career there is a favorite heading into the game going up against trying to bring it back in the lack of will and it without Ajay Griffin and you're one of the most important players and going up against you know a really good Michigan state not here, not roster the teacher froze there to. So I would think you you want to make the case for you and Dan Brady Dan expand Caleb love chaotic sporting event typing some time. I got no issues with that, but I think there tipoff times have been announced for Duke Carolina and for Miami spoiler alert.

They're all very late.

You got Duke Texas Tech Thursday night. Interestingly, this is a Thursday game rather than a Friday so Duke will have four days in between playing in Greenville versus traveling and traveling to San Francisco in order to play this sweet 16 game North Carolina. Meanwhile, only has to go up to Philadelphia where it will face UCLA six days after the win against Baylor. Both those games expected to start around 940 Miami has Iowa State.

This game will start approximately at 945 or 950 on Friday. Which team do you think has the best shot at getting to New Orleans. Out of the three ACC thing yet only like I think about it powering out pliable. I think they are like general I think I would go Duke line viewing feet to Miami. Three. With the market being like kind of relatively tight, so great about March what you're talking about there, though, when you're like Darla, who's the best team in the bunch probably do okay well who's the best team that they're playing well that's probably Miami and then who else is left in their bracket. It's just the beauty of March the end of this question isn't it symbolizes the best team together like the rated factor. Even if you go credible.

Single-game elimination not being like your only received the tournament every rounder. It like that but it's funny like that sort of like draw the curtain back on the lake you go to 538 what you want to buy like their projection model like you are getting you keep 1% chance of winning the championship right the national Ejector giving you and the 3% chance of winning the national shipping to giving biennial 1% national title but according to 530 projection. Miami is the only theme of the paper lightly. Mind you, to win their matchup. Like in the round in the Miami 530, giving them a 54% chance to beat Iowa State giving you and the 46% can't get UCLA into a 47% chance Texas second deficient event in the country that sort of like provides a little bit of numbers to it like got a way to make sure that your group and playing for Duke right I guess he could've come back in the game against Michigan State but not after entering his ankle had health issues I see on social media today working out with Jean for whatever that's worth and UCLA.

I don't know we've gotten any word yet on Jaime Hockett but probably the brewing player and if you want to be able to go get you a fee that would be you. You play but unneeded he's not hundred percent kind of a big deal to the really important personal player for them to forward spot so yeah I'll again I would take you back about want both of much prefer.

I was state of the year with Kari Hunter there no walk in the park right now. I Geisinger series on Twitter you guys_bird media stuff ACC sports.com since were not going to play out precise the guys today. I do have an NBA draft question to get to before we get to that. I do think the ACC and I've been talking with some coaches behind-the-scenes about this a little bit. I do think the ACC isn't getting the respect it deserves, and that the SEC in football, there's this media apparatus that surrounds it where you just took to say with any kind of a straight face that the SEC is not the best football conference.

People will laugh at you because just look at the titles they want. Eight of the last 12, and history tells you that the SEC is the best conference and there's a good argument for that even if a single in a singular year, the ACC might have a better season than the SEC like they did when they had Notre Dame in the league a couple of years ago and got to the college football playoff.

Similarly, in a sport that does not have a four team playoff which erases all lot of possibility for randomness, and who's going to win the title you talk about a 68 team single elimination bracket the ACCs 16 of the last dozen national titles. I guess ACC schools because technically Louisville was still in the Big East. Back then, or motive in your one of the American why is the ACC viewed with similar respect essay. The SEC is in football is a lack couple maybe the lack of money couple. The kick around like in general, the tech won the league last year right left even may have been a bit of the down here for you with not a lot of put down here till historically it was all say the Big Ten SEC Big Ten had a better year but to suggest that one of those conferences are better than the ACC when the ACC and historically down here could still sent three teams to the Sweet 16. It it's something I find ridiculous when people suggest yeah yeah like the league at 31 10 Virginia Hayden literally 10 guys drafted in the first round like 1/3 of the personal think that your exact same thing happened in 2017 you and you want to title 2017 10 first-round picks me NBA draft from the ATC to that event like Beatty apparatus yet all that kind basketball to like the network all that stuff like that didn't quite completely like orbit. One football fairly. So there's probably that you and then you without digging into all the numbers like some of the great resources that that wonderful job measuring.

Africa called tobacco like Ken Palmore is what art metrics site black couple of years getting out that big tenant league or whatever you 12 well, which will been pretty pretty incredible, but I think that that the site you a lot of you now whether you show writing you when you and I come on referencing these websites to it.

If that is spitting out that like the big tenant league while 8.X number of teams in the Canton top 50 lake becomes a feedback loop been going out back out.

I don't go your five yes people take Canton to be gospel versus a tool the way you put it is. It's a tool it's not the gospel of this is the this is if you're if Wake Forest is ranked 33rd in there's rankings. They are the 33rd best team in America when we see Miami ranked 20 spots lower even though they be wake twice and have better wind than any when they got with her when it Cameron.

Oh yeah by the way to playing in the Sweet 16. Brian Geisinger joining us here draft talk here so you are kind of alluding to it.

With the success the ACCs had how fluid do you think the top of the NBA draft class to be in terms of what people viewed to be the the rundown of the top picks in this years draft the top prosper yeah I honestly work in order is locked into gentle dog, a polyp and Caro Duke Jabari Smith from Auburn and Jean IV of Purdue.

You are that my order I would go you up and Caro (181B Jabari Smith three Jade 94 all the company directly to go to five during the 680 Griffin of Duke in the prepare problem. Dolphin errors are venturing into guys like Johnny Davis got that type of stuff. I really think the top 4 to 5 you like locked in place. But even with the inside of that, I think it's like a little a little fluid, but for me I feel pretty good about being Carol home when they would be three IV for jail during five you reading more doubts of polyp on Carol because of how scrutinize he is playing Duke or Chet Holmgren because of how unique of a prospect is. I think both catch more carrots by productivity right belief year I covered you a leader at all.

Again, I think they Carol because of that look like the media machine back around you. Thirdly, there's plenty of club cricket backup, but it's not the finger games are on later at night etc. etc. so that I would update you if you really want. Like knock Pahlavi care like that I like to like pretty whatever but were still overthinking it to guide put 200 pound you can handle the basketball incredible pastor team first player like you play defense he could get on the break like you got a night drinking glycoside to control like you thought they laugh and they got it off the ball.

They run you know they run power port center to control think Carol and Mark will take care of the John so even credible with all great, all that but what I would think very quickly you not to make in the NBA not be because of the weight in like any or whatever custom code doesn't have to actually keep this guy correctly into developing the right way like don't just stick him in the allotted stuff that I can do on the basketball court of super skill is like a yellow freakish defender so I think both really good people you want to knock because you know you're either you're over 50 with and Caro or with with Holmgren. I don't think you're being open-minded enough to realize what exactly is capable of doing on the court.

PG next week will have precise to guys questions for you. In the meantime, enjoy the hoop and rest up because it's good to be some late nights, late in the week. Yeah, definitely. I was on Twitter at the guys_bird and Rita stuff ACC sports.com sugar or just filled with tons of delicious flavors to do this. Let's go five hour energy information is a five hour energy with Josh Graham on WSJ escorts David Hale from ESPN joined the show now and David you were in Greenville yesterday to watch Duke when that game against Michigan State saw you it Cameron for the Duke Carolina game where things went south for Duke down the stretch. I think you were in Brooklyn as well. When Duke let things slip away lay against Virginia Tech in both those instances, it seemed like to me that the the pressure, the gravity of what surrounding this Duke team and Coach K's final season. It became a bit much. They played tight and not only did they lose they lost those games by double digits and I couldn't help to think Boyd did the script of that Duke Carolina game looks similar to what we saw yesterday where Michigan state goes up five and it just looks like Duke's going to fold, especially with Ajay Griffin being on the bench. So given how the final five minutes actually did play out. How surprised were you to see Duke pick up the pieces the way they did a little shop. To be honest with you because you're white because so much of what this even look like the lonely weight which were consistent problem. The burden of carrying around Tricia's legacy on a team of mostly young guys you didn't ask to be in the situation that was a an ongoing issue and then you have this one thing that they censor the start of the tournament was like do it at a time and so really don't claim for and yet here you go with this is a matchup that became the entire narrative around the game and took on a life that everything was going against Duke, which sounds stupid to say because this is a team with probably five first-round draft audit obviously very talented and certainly was more talented than Michigan state. But the team that dealt with the psychological burden all year and really had to grow up at the toughest possible time and if you look at the body language of those guys when they were down five players shut. You could look at him and get the feeling like she had an idea and then they turned all around and you know it really all of them played a part, but it would be impossible to not single out Jeremy roach for what he did. That was just an incredible five basketball from the guy you most unsung hero on that team all season. There was a super fun game to watch the whole time. The game was played at an incredibly high level glycoside probably a dozen different moments where you thought all boy this is unreal and it came down to an ending that in so many ways kind of turned the narrative of Duke wanted Ted which was probably thing that they really needed to do.

David Hale with the senior historian on the front ESPN.com. This morning he was in Greenville watching Duke lien against Michigan State yesterday. If it's late in the game. It's tired final 30 seconds of the game you think Jeremy roach is played himself into the spot where he's the guy you expect to get the ball say in the Sweet 16. Good example of what I think this particular Duke team is and maybe wasn't in the past years of Zion and Bagley and those guys that have stars before and there was often sort of a house of the stars cooperate together and everyone sort of deferred them team this year that I think you'll think terms of heart Mark William*Churchill to be a first-round draft pick. And I think moments where he looked like a star. There are still stars on this team, but I feel like the pieces match up better than they have in a long while that doesn't make them swallow so that you can watch the OC from obvious laws before he got hurt in the game. We saw multiple times were were probably terribly upset with him being out of position and in turn the ball over what you see is a team that I think really is a team not a collection of future graphics and Jeremy roach is the perfect example of that team guy mentality and he stepped in when Shields got her early in the season and was just fantastic.

I may not*strikingly fantastic, but because of the system. No turnovers, which is what you need and you don't even Tricia, you said at the end of the game yesterday that lives the basket that roach did again and again down the stretch.

There were some of the best or has to the basket you seen in 42 years of sidelines. I don't think he's exaggerating that it was pure confidence from the guys who is probably gotten the least amount of attention among the six guys who play a good bit. There and yeah I mean I think you certainly earned the opportunity to be that guy. But the beauty of this lineup as I think they have lots of that guy and I think they do work well together menu something terrible. Admittedly, at times this year has felt like he's been a little reluctant to truly embrace the talent and try to take over game, but he really is damned to do that down the stretch when he saw a guy like Mark William to the first half of that game dominant in the paint. Michigan State really had no answers for him.

Once he got the ball and he didn't even take a shot final 14 minutes of the game because he was so busy playing defense.

It was the group that played really well together, and the fact that Jeremy roach could be the start of the end of it speaks a lot to how much that group was willing to to not feel like one person had to do the job that they could really sort of work in each person play their role was the greatest collective display and resolve that I've seen from this Duke team all year long. David Hale with us from ESPN you are in the room and you saw how to got emotional talking about how these guys played together and how it wasn't just one guy you probably were keeping a close eye on the emotions that K showed on the sidelines during the game. Since you are in the building and I've worked to this theory, after listening to what Kay said after the game. It seems like to me. March was a big part of the reason why Kay wouldn't have thought hang it up last year. Maybe some of it was.

He knew he was sitting on a monster knew that they had these great this great roster coming back and you have a shot to win the title. But maybe it was as simple as while I didn't get a chance to play in the tournament that's defined my career last year I didn't get that in 20 20 x 20 19, was the last time you know I was in the tournament. That's three years ago now he's having those moments again so I think I don't think it was coach speak when he was talking about. Wow, what a moment for a 75-year-old to experience. I think a big part of the reason why he wanted to come back was so he could at least experience that one more time what you think. I hundred percent agree with you wrote in my column so the end of it was that you talk to the beginning that when they were down five if they could grow up in that moment. Clearly they did, but in doing so, it kind. I think maybe Trish FD feel young again from the literature development.

It is God who is seen and done everything called basketball and I think you can rightfully be critical of some of the waste is handled this year and the pressure that that has put on his team and I think that they have back in that moment. I think they went out and played five minutes of basketball. Blank up there among the most remarkable and memorable five minutes of basketball that Trish FD has seen his players play in his career. I think that it absolutely belongs in that pantheon of truly memorable moments during the last 42 years and if you're a guy who is somewhere between his last name and his forth the last game to think that you have one of those moments still in their sort of incredible when we take a step back and realize like you are scripting the last chapter of this epic novel and it still had some surprises in there that your friend or chef you found or not you have to look at his work. Spent a great those moments can still live up to what we think they might be spring practice, least of this your way how tough of a call. Do you think it's going to be taking a champion for the Atlantic division or do you already have a good idea who you're going to be picking in June.

Jim Phillips of the before the we were chatting for a little bit on the like that I am exactly what we were talking to Greensboro, Greensboro, just wanted to say okay we get it. I didn't pressure him on that, just checking you know how relationships are just the harder you try to cling to the more they want to run free. So I I've course at the Phillips's got Wake Forest right that's that's what you're telling exactly that the vision and I am always I feel it you have to put the big caveat out there, because we all put too much hype wanted to thank you state over the years and even if you think Florida State back will see how that story but it is a really potentially good division of picking the day I will still probably to Clemson because I know trained to believe that you know you see the sun come up every day you start expected.

One day it doesn't come up you baby will expect a little less but are still figuring the next, where I am on Clemson. I think that there still the most talented team, but weight brings back pretty much everybody and I think that a great Ireland defense of coordinated energy status so many pieces coming off of a nine parentheses 10 with an asterisk season Florida State I think made real strides last year and should be better this year. Syracuse has maybe one of the best if not the best running back in the country Boston College if they have a healthy quarterback.

We see what they can do Google's have the worst luck in the country pretty much of the last two years, but still has one of the most electrifying players in the country and there's a lot in that conference in that division to say like I don't know.

And that's the thing I think in some ways got pretty lucky last year.

They want a lot more and a lot better is only within the context of last year.

There better but better to write back to where we started from. So to me it is very much wide open. If you're asked me to pick him still probably picking Clemson. I know that the boring answer, but I got a lot of time to come up with explanation for a better answer to you. Headed to San Fran.

I am not actually back to doing some football stuff so I'm off on the football related road trip. I would love to be going to San Fran is my favorite city in the country.

You can pay me enough to live there, but it is my favorite city in the country. Let's talk football sometime soon buddy thanks for doing on docket hail joining us from ESPN on Twitter.

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One thing I want to discuss with the ACC. It's the best college basketball conference right at the ACC is to college basketball what the SEC has become in football that would be my argument.

That isn't to say in a given year. Another power conference can have a better year than the ACC. Just like the SEC a couple years ago. Remember when Notre Dame joined the ACC and the ACC, not the SEC got two teams of the college football playoff while the ACC had a better season than the SEC when it mattered most. The cream rises to the top and Alabama won the national title that year the ACC in a historically down year five teams and it is down. This is not me saying that the ACC has not had a down year because I think to suggest that would be ignoring metrics that you should look at is a tool, not the rule.

You should go to Kim common said, here are the rankings. These are the best teams in America because Ken Pomeroy says so if you were to look at that today you would find that Miami is apparently 20 spots worse than Wake Forest is even though Miami beat Wake Forest twice and wanted to do and is playing in the Sweet 16. Wake Forest is in the finally of the quarterfinals. No there in the quarterfinals of the NIT all due respect, Wake Forest when you get beat twice by that team and that team is a better one than anyone you've got that teams better than you are.

Specially if they're in the Sweet 16. The NCAA tournament. So do not use 10 Palmer some of these other metrics as the rule. Use them as a tool. The ACC did not have as good of the year is the SEC or the big 12 or the Big Ten but they are the best basketball conference because even while they haven't had the greatest year. They still are able to send three teams, the Sweet 16 hi for more than anybody else.

I guess it's what else has more than the ACC sent the big 12 are sent to the Sweet 16.

The season nobody else. No other conference is capable of that one other comment is that bad years that they probably going to get five teams and those five teams are often not the teams that are going to the final four.

Going to the Sweet 16. As I was with other comment is a down the ACC have a down year. Dave sent three and four, Notre Dame played a really close game with Texas Tac, the ACC is the best conference in college basketball just like I wanted to suggested the ACC is a better football conference of the SEC because it had one better year than they had a couple years ago I would not suggest any contacts there is a conference better than the ACC is right now basketball because let's look at the recent history. Not all the way back to 1953 because I know people get annoyed when you do that just because you're the greatest. Historically, doesn't mean you could be the greatest forever… Go recency here. The last normal tournament that we had last year that everybody had them in Indianapolis. It was weird games were getting canceled. Now that was not a normal tournament last year 2020 Abbasid and have a tournament the last time we had a tournament.

The ACC had three number one seeds and the national champ. This is different than college football college football. You have a final four to win a title you have to win two games beat a team in the in the court at semifinal and then when the national championship game. The SEC is 18 of the last 12 the best conference in college football. In a more random 68 team tournament that is single elimination. The ACC has one. Six of the last 12 national championships that is remarkable ACC schools 16 of the last 12 Duke twice. Carolina twice. Louisville did so in Virginia. Six of the last 12 the conversation to be over that point nobody else really be trying to debate this now. The analytics made it look a lot worse than what it actually was and it was based on the ACC, Big Ten challenge, which by the way, the Big Ten, 186. I like the ACC got waxed and the ACC was transitioning with a bunch of new players in the transfer portal and figuring things out and with a new coach at North Carolina. Many of these teens were trying to figure out their rosters and when they did the ACC performed a lot better judging things in November doesn't make a heck of a lot of sense, and having that carry so much weight to get the February and March doesn't seem like it make sense either. I also want to mention that the Mountain West which is a conference that a lot of people I think rated higher than it has been in the last four set in January with a straight face that Wes was better than the ACC. I never said that that over the last five years. Six years I will note the stretches, but their last 12 games they've had in the first round. They are one and 11 there commissioners out here saying the next step for us. We need to win games will know bleep open for this year. All those folks that one bid ACC one bit ACC where the folks doing the hashtag. Let's make the Mountain West. The one bid league again where those folks in fun fact. Three of those four Mountain West teams with a higher seed in their course, they were now due. How many times the ACC was the lower seat help with Miami and North Carolina and Notre Dame in the playing game, best conference in college basketball. I don't even think it's that particularly close. I don't the Panthers even busy as we been talking about Matt rule Scott Fitterer big Mac to do their all canny pickets per day earlier and there's rumors the Panthers have expressed interest in Mayfield which I am in favor of that. I'm in favor of a lot of things. The Panthers are done lately quiet but really good weekend for them in free agency wishes go down the list of things they did, they continue to bolster the outline they added Austin Corbett. The Rams guard from the Super Bowl team Bradley Bozeman center that if Matt Paradis is unable to go. He's your guy from the ravens and capable's daughter there. He could also play at either of the guard spots in your interior aligns good speaking of things in the middle the middle of your defense is stronger yet, a defensive tackle. You add court core Littleton and the linebacking core you add in the secondary. Xavier Woods, former cowboy safety. That's an upgrade over former Wolfpack or just a member to Sean Watson, went to the Cleveland Browns rather then Atlanta and New Orleans in your backyard in the NFC South. Matt Ryan is no longer in the division so you might be worrying about Marcus Mary Oda instead of Matt Ryan yelling at you to get off my bleep and feel. But wait there's more DJ, more extended him one of the 10 best wide receivers in the NFL kind of went under the radar. Now I think it was a competitive rate that they got DJ more to agree to Dante Jackson last speed on this in the secondary.

Hopefully JC horns back and healthy. You sign in elite plundering Johnny hacker Dante Freeman.

He could play you need someone to spell Krista McCaffrey from time to time you get up and running back. I thought they had a really good weekend. I really do. Panthers got better in the last week to spend a lot out of that salary-cap of the Sean wanted it since DeShawn's not coming to Charlotte you have money to blow on other things that can make your team better right now and it seems Caroline is committed to doing that which ACC team is the best shot at getting to the final four. So we talked about the three that are there Miami Duke was the best. Try to get into the final four will ask our resident hoops near BG next