Are Reparations for Slavery Consistent with Repentance and Restitution? Part 1

Our reparations for slavery consistent with biblical repentance and restitution. Part one of that topic today here on the Christian Ruby radio program where the mission is to sharpen the biblical worldview of Christians and to share the good news that all people can be reconciled to God through faith in Jesus Christ and David. We host the program and are website is the Christian world you.org will Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. Day is a national holiday that occurs at this time of year commemorating Dr. King's impact on civil rights in this country, particularly equality for Blacks and decades after Dr. King, the issue of race and racism hasn't died down.

In fact, race and racism are hot, but hot button contentious issues today, not just in broader society but also within evangelicalism as well. For example, Southern Baptist theological seminary recently issued a report on slavery and racism in the history of the Southern Baptist theological seminary, reaffirming a formal apology made back in 1995 for the seminaries quote participation in individual and systemic racism.

Unquote in past eras.

So whether in the, the nation are in the church. There is a growing call that more must be done and simply apologize for slavery. That reparations must be paid to what whether in money and/or benefits to the descendents of those who were wronged generations ago. A graduate of Westminster seminary said in response to the Southern Baptist seminary report quote good first step.

Now reparations or do not only symbolically but financially this can take various forms, but nothing short of free tuition and student loan debt cancellation for black Americans who attended and will attend SP TS in the future. Reparations must follow repentance unquote with today in the Christian review Darrell Harris enjoins us. He's a former fellow of the black theology leadership Institute at Princeton theological seminary.

He joins us to discuss whether there is a biblical basis for paying reparations for slavery along with a host of other questions about race in society and the church today was get straight to the first segment of that interview, Darrell. It's great to have you on the Christian real for the first time I often asked first time guests tell us your three-minute life story, including how you became a follower of Christ will be reportable. Thanks for having me on really appreciate you inviting me to your program. Yet my three-minute life story would begin with the fact that I grew up in the inner-city public housing projects of West Atlanta, native of Atlanta lived in Atlanta all my life.traveled all over the place. Throughout my career on the middle child of three in about a week after graduating high school I listed in the United States Army were served a total of six years.

I am married with two adult children, collard and Naomi became a follower of Christ in 1986 after visiting first Baptist Church of Atlanta at the time Dr. Charles Bailey was a senior path of least daily still see you passing there at SBA after visit. During that visit. Rather, I filled out a visitors car like you always do it all good. So the Baptist churches. Not long after that though, I was visited at my apartment watching members of first Baptist Atlanta who walk me through the Romans road to salvation, and that was the first time I never heard the gospel presented in such a way as to bring me to the realization or maybe even better, to the conviction that I am a sinner in need of salvation. So it was one night in my living room of my apartment back in February 1986 that I came to faith in Christ and have been the following him ever since. No, thank you for sharing your story.

Now you became a follower of Christ.

Darrell Darrell Harrison with us today on the Christian world you will start out without a fundamental question about just the definition of race.

So how do you understand biblically understand the concept of race. In other words, is everyone the same race, the human race, and we just have different skin pigmentation's or is race: quote race more complex than that is definitely more complex than that.

David biblically rate is spoken of two distinct context. First, in terms of species or genus, such as what we find James chapter 3 verse seven where James writes for every species of beef and burgers, of reptiles and creatures of the sea, is tamed and has been tamed by the human race.

Now in that verse in James 37, the wars, species and race are the same Greek now is the Greek noun suffices. PHY SIS that Greg nullifies.

This speaks to the nature or origin overseeing by your left one context in which we understand the word race biblically. Secondly, the Bible speaks of race in terms of this city, such as what we find in acts 17 verse 26, which reads, and he that is God made from every man, every nation of mankind to live on all the face of the earth, having determined their appointed times and the boundaries of their habitation. Now the word nation their neck 1746 is the Greek noun and loss for which we get our English word ethnicity so in one since we are all the same race in terms of our physical nature as human beings or notices. We are not the same race in terms of ethnicity, but the problem with many today is that they are defining race of applicant air quotes. The defining rates in terms of skin color along with skin colors.

Mary Millie rather a sort of external characteristic of who we are as physical human beings with this annuity is a matter of blood, not skin color.

So is saying that yes race in the conversation around it is much more complex than skin color.

Still Harrison with us today on the Christian world view. He's a former fellow of the black theology and leadership Institute at Princeton theological seminary. He blogs at just thinking.me and I would really highly recommend you read his columns are there there very insightful. We hear Darrell that this quote.

America is an inherently racist nation they would be referring to specifically whites toward Blacks, whites are racist towards Blacks is that statement true or is racism whites towards Blacks black towards whites, Asians towards Hispanics or whatever, is that latent within every ethnic group toward another Nazareth are ethnic groups always cut up suspicious and demeaning. I guess maybe an in mentality toward one another again David by saying that in the spirit of full disclosure, personally, I reject the term racism because as we just discussed a minute ago. The root term race is so grossly misunderstood by the vast majority people use it. That is become meaningless now.

That said, however, I will use the term racism for the sake of our conversation here today, but personally I despise the use of the term myself but to answer your question, yes, racism is latent within every ethnic group, but that's only because then is latent within every ethnic group of racism is sin. Sin is no respecter of ethnicity. We notice from text like Ecclesiastes 7 verse 20 was held MD there is not a righteous man who does good at whatever thing.

And of course what the apostle Paul tells the Romans 323 for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God. So yet racism is latent within every ethnic group. That's because sin is latent within each of us who comprise various ethnic groups think and consequently, as a result of that racism again in air quotes a term which I define as sinful discrimination against God's image bearers who are of a different ethnicity. Racism is by definition dynamic is not static in what I mean by that is that is a volitional attitude that is born in the heart is not something that is forced on us from the outside of ourselves and I think that's a problem that were looking at today in conversations around whether or not America is an inherently racist nation because it is interesting that that were inherent by definition mean that is something from within, but we are addressing the existence of something that affects us from the outside in, as opposed to the inside out helps explain that's just an aside, what word do you use instead of racism but where do you like to use it. I like to use the word. This is because when you talk about biblically speaking, the Bible talks of ethnicity. The Bible does not talk about race in the same system that contemporary or or worldly society and culture uses the term, so I prefer to use the term this more biblically accurate, which is a term ethnic schism and not racism never doing this interview around the time of the holiday.

After Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. were many decades beyond the era in which she lived back in them was the 60s and maybe early 70s you think race relations with the ethnic relations. That's the better word between what they specifically whites and Blacks have become actually more contentious after the civil rights era, and specifically maybe within even the last 10 years. Just just from someone who's somewhat passive observer of it. I'm not on the front lines of these kinds of discussions all at times but seems like there's actually more contention between whites and Blacks now than there used to be for the term race relations as inherently problematic because of that, a state of conciliation between black people and white people should exist on no other basis than ethnicity.

The truth is, David, is that to whatever extent there is conciliation between one person and another defendant, regardless of ethnicity. What everything there is conciliation between one person and another is a result of having the right heart attitude not right skin color of the same thing applies if there is contentious is between one person or another in a marriage between a parent and their child. This is exactly what the apostle Paul is alluding to what he said in Romans 1218 he said, if possible, so far that if it depends on you, be at peace with all men.

Now, if there is been an increase in contentious is between Blacks and whites over the last decade or so and perhaps there has been. If that's the case, however, is because our affections are misplaced. That is my argument that if that's the case if in fact contentiousness is on the rise between Glaxo life is because our affections are misplaced. What I mean by that is that instead of shutting our minds on things above, as Paul exhorts us to do in classes 32 were looking to worldly solutions like politics, in an effort to create heaven on earth, but as were exhorted second Peter 313.

Believers are to be looking for new heavens and new earth.

And where righteousness dwells with supposedly looking above, not to fall these solutions through political or legislative maze so as to create a kind of heaven here on earth but again, to whatever extent there is an increase contentiousness between Glaxo life if the heart issue to be dealt with from the heart's new term has been coined in the last a lot are now five years or so, maybe longer.

Pizza came from the Academy in higher education from a Christian black person's perspective. How should we process this new term. This narrative that whites have this something called privilege that were so, what we so often hear today by Darrell Harrison will answer that question after this first break of the day on the Christian really hope you can stay tuned much more coming up.

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These issues are always on the forefront of people's mind to see the news and so forth. And even within the evangelical church with conferences and MLK 50 conference which are guess Darrell Harrison will talk about coming up on the program today about what a summer background on him is mentioned that he was a fellow of the black theology leadership Institute at Princeton theological seminary, where he graduated with a theology and ministry degree. He was also the first black man to be ordained as a Deacon in the 200 year history of First Baptist Church of Covington, Georgia and and now he's the Dean of social media just started this for the ministry of grace to you. Okay let's get back to the interviewer, Darrell Harrison, as we continue the conversation. A new term has been coined in the last a lot are now five years or so, maybe longer piece that came from the Academy in higher education from a Christian black person's perspective.

How should we process this new term. This narrative that whites have this something called privilege that were so, what we so often hear today.

First of all, why should realize that not all narrative is true, not all narrative is true. That's number one.

The term white privilege is a subjective phrase is so often repeated by social justice and I say that both within evangelical church and without the church is big is come to refer to any white person, any white person at all, regardless of whether he or she is actually guilty of using their cortical privilege it is to the point now that every white person is privilege simply by virtue of being white and and and that's where again the term has become meaningless because repeated so often that it has no significance anymore whatsoever. No person okay regardless of ethnicity should take on the guilt of phantom sin on the basis of subjective narrative such as the one being propagated under the label of white privilege and the reason I describe the narrative, a subjective because there is no definitive or objective definition of what privilege is blessed before before you.

I've observed what I've observed personally anyway. Privilege simply means being white. Your privilege David by virtue of being white and that warrants within certain circles within the social justice world that you be punished. That you be disciplined that your privilege be reduced.

Whatever degree of privilege you may have social definition that has no basis in objective fact, not only do I know white people who are not privileged.

I know some black people who are very privilege is the thought of dividing line there that sort of wreaks of a certain hypocrisy in that within certain social justice circles white people who will been accused of having privilege there a black who basically are for those same delivered privileges rather are not held that same standard of a different kind of racism ready: athleticism and just to look at someone skin color and say you're a Certain Way, Dell thank you for explaining that Darrell Harrison with us today on the Christian world view. As I mentioned earlier were around the time of Martin Luther King Jr. weekend nasty a three-part question about him as a follower of Christ.

How do you just view him generally in his legacy where his doctrinal beliefs Orthodox is he someone that biblical Christians should venerate as he is highly venerated, especially in light of some well-known evangelical organizations like the Gospel coalition and the ER LC the ethics and religious liberty commission of the Southern Baptist convention had an MLK 50 conference last year on him to answer those that multipart question differently David on tomorrow.Malkin Junior now that may sound rather harsh someone who is a native of the city were docking was born and raised what his legacy is most tangible. That is, Georgia but go I do not admire the man in one respect, I do admire how God's sovereignty and his problems, chose to use Dr. King during his time here on earth. Now that fit. The truth is, and this will be difficult for me to set up a document looking Junior, who was a graduate of what was then known as cold theological seminary so Dr. King was a seminary. This is going to be tough for folks to handle as they hear this. Dr. King was not a seminary graduate, he was not Orthodox to the doctor beliefs, particularly with regard to the deity of Jesus Christ. Now educated case in point, I want to quote from Dr. King's own words from a paper that he wrote while at closer to logical seminary with sheet entitled the humanity and divinity of Jesus with Dr. King said this quote the conflict that Christians often have over the question of Jesus's divinity is not over the validity of the fact of his divinity over the question of how and when he became divine.

The more Orthodox Christians have seen his divinity as an inherent quality metaphysically bestow Jesus Jesus.

They have told us is a preexistent logoff. He is the word made flesh is the second person of the Trinity is very God of very God of one substance with the father, who, for our salvation came down from heaven and was incarnate by the Holy Ghost of the Virgin Mary.

Certainly, this view of the divinity of Christ present many modern mind with insuperable difficulties.

Most of us are not willing to see the union of the human and divine in a metaphysical incarnation.

Yet amid all of our difficulty with the preexistent idea in the view of supernatural generation.

We must come to some few of the divinity of Jesus in order to remain in the orbit of Christian religion. We must have a Christology where, then, can we in the liberal tradition find the divine dimension in Jesus, we may find the divinity of Christ, not in his substantial unity with God. I will repeat this and this is Dr. Martin Luther King Jr.'s own work. King says, we may find the divinity of Christ, not in his substantial unity with God. But in his filial consciousness and his unique dependence upon God. It was his spelling of absolute dependence on God that made him divine.

Yes, it was his devotion to God and the intimacy of his trust in God that accounts for his being the supreme revelation of God.

All of this reveals to us that one man has at last realized is divine calling that of becoming a true son of man by becoming a true son of God is the achievement of a man who has nearly as we can tell completely open his life to be influenced of the divine spirit unquote. That was Dr. Martin Luther King Jr.'s from his paper titled the humanity and divinity of Jesus. Now saw what could be argued is the most fundamental tenet of the Christian faith. That is the deity of Jesus Christ.

Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. is his own work did not, that Christ inherently possess that attribute. So not within the focus on Dr. King's organizations under the Gospel coalition is the ER LC have placed on him. In recent years. I would caution any Christian regardless of ethnicity to not venerate Dr. King documented any other human being on the basis that neither Dr. King's theology nor his Christology was biblically Orthodox. That's basically apostasy today to get that particular one wrong that's just rank heresy to get the deity of Christ wrong so well that thank you for explaining that I never heard that quote before so that was illuminating as to what he actually believe because if you get that belief wrong about who Christ is that he's not innately divine, the son of God equally God. Everything else is going to be affected by that parent or you of who Christ is a great Darrell Harold Darrell Harrison with us again today here on the Christian world view as we talk about race and racism arranging the reparations for slavery in just a few minutes here. I expect to read something that you wrote.

Now, in a recent column on your website on your blog. Just thinking.me and you wrote a column entitled the era of the angry black Christian is contrary to paragraphs and in follow-up with with the question you said, as an entity, the black church came into existence by necessity, not choice.

It is the ecclesiastical byproduct of an evangelicalism which for decades lived a lie, having been intoxicated by the moral rot gut of slavery. Frederick Douglass, himself a former slave exposed this hypocrisy when he said that quote the slave auctioneers bell in the churchgoing bell chimed in with each other in the bitter cries of the heartbroken slave are drowned in the religious shouts of his pious master revivals of religion and revivals in the slave trade go hand in hand together. The slave prison in the church stand near each other unquote you gonna say conversely abolitionist William Lloyd Garrison said in 1854 that quote the slave dealer gives his bloodstained gold to support the pulpit in the pulpit and return covers his infernal business with the garb of Christianity.

In just one more paragraph okay were going to read that paragraph after this next break of the day here in the Christian will view your listening to an interview with Darrell Harrison. He's a former fellow of the black theology leadership Institute at Princeton theological seminary were talking about race and racism are as he liked to call it something is more accurate.

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There is so much on biblical thinking.

With regard to race and ethnicity. I'm so thankful to have Darrell Harrison on the program today just is very insightful and accurate specific with what he saying in biblical.

Most importantly indent before the break, I was reading a quote from an article on his website just thinking.me about the error of the angry black Christian. Let's continue with the reading of that quote in the follow-up question to him is in light of this discriminatory meal. You that the aforementioned Dubois confessed that he regarded the white evangelical church as quote an institution which defended such evils, slavery, color cast exploitation of labor and war unquote it is that shared perspective of white evangelicalism that served in 2008 as the impetus for black liberation theologian and former pastor of Chicago's Trinity United Church of Christ Rev. Dr. Jeremiah Wright to pronounce the anathema God.

Darn American you didn't use that word upon this nation because of its history of slavery, the right. That's why he said that because of our history and though not usually expressed in such malevolent terms as rights. The sentiments inherent with his imprecatory malediction are nonetheless shared by many black Christians today.

It is indignation that is grounded not an actual sins committed against them personally. Mind you, but a tribalist ethos, which proffers that are shared ethnicity equates to a shared experience regardless if that experience is historical, e.g., slavery, or contemporary was going on with police violence isn't ethos to which I do not. This is you referred yourself, which I do not subscribe sub. There's a lot in those two paragraphs, but none that was very insightful.

There is a you say here that there are reasons why the black church was founded and was founded in a kind of anger against how Blacks are treated in this country maybe would explain more of that. The thesis for this column that you wrote. You be glad to David well referred to their by arguing that the Blatchford was founded in anger but maybe what I mean is that the reported anger over the sin of slave, which is essentially what gave birth to the black church in America. As a result of black Christians being denied the right to worship alongside white Christians as fellow image bearers of God. If I could give a personal story. Not many years ago I was a member of a Southern Baptist Church whose origin is the date back to 1823. Upon joining the church. I was handed a magazine for lack of a better word that detailed the history of the church of the church began in 1823, but it wasn't until four years later in 1827 that the congregation had to vote on whether or not to allow black people as members. Now this is a so-called Christian church having to cast a vote on whether to allow people of a different ethnicity to become members of that local bodies so that's just an example of the mill you that existed then but whose effects continue to reverberate even now here in 2019. So that's the context in which I argue that the black church was founded in anger referred to the anger over slavery is in that context on and that context that I argue that that that that that that worked anger so I don't want anyone to take that word anger and automatically assume that it refers to you and attitude or a mood, but I referred to a righteous indignation over certain denominations being willingly and blissfully participating in propagating and facilitating the institution of slavery in America slavery is a sin that should anger us all now only from a historical perspective but also the present day reality because you believe it or not. Slavery is still practiced in many parts of the world today. I think of the text like Ephesians 511 where Paul writes that we are to not participate in the unfruitful deeds of darkness, but instead to even expose so we talk about slavery. Let's not automatically default to the 1800s, or even the 1600s, but but but slavery still a present-day reality.

And even though I do not subscribe to the tribalist ethos that says well since we share a common skin color that that equates to a common experience will know it doesn't I don't subscribe to that. However, I am not so na�ve to disregard the role the evangelical church has historically played in allowing slavery to continue for long as it did Darrell Harrison with us today on the Christian worldview, former fellow of the black theology leadership Institute at Princeton theological seminary. He blogs at just thinking.me he's also the Dean of social media at Grace to you. Just one more follow-up question on the black church I noticed in your bio that you said that you have a passion for seeing expository preaching become the standard within the black church so shouldn't there even be a black church. In other words, identifying with others just of our same ethnicity, shouldn't we have the Bible talks about you, whether you're Greek or Jew, or whatever you are come together in one. Regardless of your ethnicity and the second part of the question is what is really the state of the black church today I noticed that you're seeking a generalization, but where is the blacklist that even the black evangelical church today. What is it like you pick your first question, David and say yes you are absolutely right. There is only one church. Matter fact, the question is not should there be even a black church or a white shirt and even short note insert ethnicity here. This should none of that should exist from the standpoint of vernacular for the Christian, there is one church there was and is the word tells us right there was one wart there was one faith, there is one baptism, there is one church. So when I speak of the black church. What I'm referring to is more along the lines of its cultural traditions into the ecclesial traditions that are inherent within that particular aspect of evangelicalism. But you are absolutely right not only shift their not be such terminology used. We need to start speaking in the context of what the Bible teacher will teach us of what the New Testament teaches and that there is only one church absolutely with respect to the state though.

However, I will use the black the phrase a black church just for the sake of conversation in response to the question about what is the state of the black church personally from our perspective not spent half my life as a member of black churches, and then the other half is member why churches like I can speak rather slowly from both angles will respect to the black church. Generally speaking, and this is a general statement. This is not speaking to every specific evangelical church that has a predominantly black congregation. I did make that point because there will be folks who will listen to this interview and will attack me for generalizing across the whole spectrum of black evangelicalism and that is not what I'm doing. However, have you spent almost 30 years as a member of one by church or another. The overall state of the black church out. :-) Pretty poor, it still suffers from a an abstinence only to say a dearth outfit absence of expository preaching the gospel is not explained from the pulpits and most black churches, the vast majority of black churches on Sunday mornings are going to hear topical can't talk type of message.

I will either call or sermon. Some messages that have more to do with how to improve a certain aspect of your life how to find a marriage partner how to have success in this area are that very seldom are you going to hear a message preached about who Jesus is unique. Who Jesus is and why it's important to believe in Christ.

Why Christianity is the truth in Islam, Buddhism, Jehovah's Witness, and Mormonism is not things of that nature. So from the standpoint just of what is offered from the pulpits, the black church is innate in a in a desperate state of affairs, and I say that now in the concept that I am now having been exposed expository teacher for several years. That's what my passion lies is to see expository preaching become the standard in pulpit supply churches because it is not now the gospel is not taught there is a lot of preaching going on, there is a lot of emotionalism going on, but there is very little exposition of the word of God going on and as a result, black Christians that are members of the churches that attend these churches are not applying the truth of the gospel to their lives in a way that's effective because they don't understand what the gospel is so there are many many problems within the black church yet I was saying well that goes well for other church ethnic churches as well � true, but my experience is within black ecclesiology in my passion for this, for those churches. Rather, is that they were turned their backs on the prosperity gospel that they will turn their backs on selecting the church based on the style, the singing of the style of preaching or the war or the style of their traditions and that they would follow the gospel with respect to searching out the truth of what the gospel means as it applies gospel is alive yesterday and the Christian Realty was Darrell Harrison fellow the black theology leadership Institute at Princeton theological seminary.

We have one more segment coming up with him and we have another week with him so hope you're enjoying interview business much more coming up day on the Christian worldview. I'm David Wheaton. The mission of the Christian world is to sharpen the biblical worldview of Christians and to share the good news that all people can be reconciled to God through Jesus Christ. When Christians have a stronger faith and when unbelievers come to saving for lives and families and churches and communities change for the glory of God. The Christian world view is a listener supported ministry. You can help us in our mission to impact hearts and minds by making a donation of any amount becoming a monthly partner. All donations are tax-deductible. You can give online@thechristianworldview.org or calling us toll-free 1888 646-2233. When you give like to thank you by sending you a current resource. Monthly partners can choose to receive resources throughout the year, 1888 646-2233 or go to the Christian worldview.org. Thank you for your support. There is an abundance of resources available in Christian bookstores and online sad reality is that many of them even some of the most popular do not lead to a sound and strong faith aim of the Christian world view is to identify and offer resources that are biblically faithful and deep in your walk with God in our online store. We have a wide range of resources for all ages, adult and children's books and DVDs, Bibles and devotionals, unique gifts and more so browse our store@thechristianworldview.org and find enriching resources for yourself, family, friends, small group church. You can also order by calling our office toll-free at 18 646-2233, one AAA 46 2233 or visit Christian worldview.org final segment of the day here in the Christian worldview radio program or website. As always, is the Christian world view.or you can go grab your free weekly email or annual letter you can hear the audio pass programs including this one, you go to work, resources, and you can also support this ministry is the Christian world view.org yesterday was Darrell Harrison is a former fellow of the black theology leadership Institute at Princeton theological seminary is also the brand-new Dean of social media at Grace to you ministry were talking about today racism, racism, or as he calls it the more accurately ethnic system and also reparations will get into that next week, reparations for slavery is that consistent with biblical repentance and restitution. So we have lots of very interesting topics and interesting conversation coming up that is very relevant to the conversations we hear in society today was get back to the final segment was Darrell Harrison is often said that Sunday is the most segregated day in America we been talking about white churches and black churches and so forth. What is that the best way forward to have more of the I guess the New Testament church more grounded biblical church were there is not divisions based on ethnicities, but believers just come together. You hear some churches try to put Emily white churches try to have more Blacks on the elder board and got a quoted things like that in with your answer to a better way forward to have more mixed churches. Naturally, with people seeing each other as brothers and sisters in Christ instead of dividing amongst ethnic lines again is the question with Dr. Martin Luther King who first asserted that Sunday is the most. Our in America, and his assertion that has largely been accepted as fact primarily because with Dr. King made the assertion.

But we need to be careful here to distinguish between segregation and separation. There are myriad myriad reasons why black-and-white Christians worship separately, but what I find most concerning about this assertion that Sunday is the most segregated hour in America is that it is only those churches are predominately white that are Catholic. Becoming more ethnically diverse churches that are profoundly black, are not held that same standard. The reality is that there are countless black evangelical churches, particularly in the inner cities that not only are predominately if not totally black are quite multiple with their congregations being mono ethnic I find nothing in Scripture that mandates local congregations be multiethnic. Nothing a church can have people are very safe of Bellovin occupying their pews, but all that tells me is there a people are very safe of militant occupying the pews of your church. It says nothing about what the person who is Caucasian or Hispanic or African thinks in his heart about the person next to them who is Latino or Chinese or Middle East is the condition of the heart, not the cold skin that matters most to God. Now, with respect to a better way forward. The best way for to have better race relations within the church is for those who comprise the church to have better relations with God as the apostle Paul writes the security is five versus 17 through 19th is therefore if anyone is in Christ is a new creature deal. Things are passed away. Behold, new things have come all the things are from God, who reconciled us to himself through Christ and gave us the ministry of reconciliation, namely, that God was in Christ reconciling the world to himself. That's the approach we have to take the we've got it backwards here. The this is especially evident within the social justice realm of evangelicalism is that they are trying to change yes that they are trying to change systems and institutions, and then as a result have that reflect that reconciliation is taking place, but biblically reconciliation happens from the inside out. It happens from the heart. First, and the effects are seen outwardly as a result of what has happened in weekly. So again, the best way for for you and have better relations with one another is for you to first have better relations with God is very well said very very true as well and follow-up as you mentioned the social justice movement that's really prominent now within evangelicalism. How is that social justice movement and evangelicalism assay going to going to turn out. Do you think, especially with regards to race relations.

Yeah, I don't think is going to help. Partially I'd be so blunt, but I don't know any other way to say it biblically.

The concept of justice needs no qualifier. Such a social biblical justice needs no qualifier when followers of Christ obey him. There is justice we don't obey him. There's injustice is really that simple of the biblical idea of justice is Very well in Leviticus chapter 19 verse 15 the first recess, you should do no injustice and judgment. You shall not be partial to the poor, nor defer to the great you are to judge nor your neighbor fail your judge your neighbor fairly. Now that one part inculcate every person on the planet that is biblical justice clearly defined in one verse, you shall do no injustice in judgment you shall not be partial to the poor, nor refer to the great you judge your neighbor fail now a fundamental problem with the evangelical social justice movement today is that it goes completely against what we just read that is committed in Leviticus 19 the contemporary evangelical social justice movement is a movement that promotes and advocates partiality, especially towards the poor while punishing the great totally against was committed, and Lucas 19 is a movement that promotes and advocates partiality total for as well as towards those who are certain ethnicities, namely black people. Okay, so the current and am speaking of the current evangelical social justice movement. I'm not talking about secular social justice movement. The evangelical socialist movement today is a movement that is of life with partiality is wife with partiality. In that context because of that reality.

It can only hurt race relations because it is a direct violation of what is commanded in Scripture, so no the current social justice movement, evangelicalism is not going to help all race relations. It is going to hurt in the in because it is inherently and intrinsically going against what is commanded in Scripture.

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We put up a couple hours after the show. Part two will be next week. Also sapphire free podcast startup this year with short takes as well. Some of the highlights from the interview for today but just want to conclude by saying we do live in a changing and challenging at ethnically divided world with a way to change that is through one person is through Jesus Christ and his word because they're the same yesterday today and forever. We put our faith in him we start to see each other as people fellow image bearers made in the image of God. Let's do that this week with talking next weekend everyone. We hope today's broadcast turned your heart towards God's word and his son to order a CD copy of today's program or sign up for our free weekly email or to find out how you can be reconciled to God through Jesus Christ go to our website the Christian world view.org, call us toll-free one Tripoli 646-2233. Christian worldview is a weekly one-hour radio program that is furnished by the overcoming foundation and is supported by listeners and sponsors request one of our current resources with your donation of any amount go to the Christian will view.org or call us toll-free one Tripoli 646-2230 3.2 SF Box 01, Excelsior, MN 55331 Xbox 401 Excelsior, MN 55331. Thanks for listening to the Christian world view. Until next time think biblically live according