Top Issues (So Far) for Christians in 2019

The top issues for Christians, at least so far in 2019. Todd really joins us today right here on the Christian worldview radio program where the mission is to sharpen the biblical worldview of Christians, and also to share the good news that all people can be reconciled to God. They would repent of their sin and put their faith in Jesus Christ, I'm David Whitney Houston.

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Todd Friel is the longtime host of a popular radio and television program called wretched. It's based in Atlanta and broadcast nationwide.

The program focuses on evangelism theology, apologetics, and current events. Todd recently visited Minnesota the state where he lived for much of his life and where the Christian worldview is based. So I asked Todd if you'd be willing to do an in studio interview to discuss the top five things he's been covering on his own programs this year.

He gave me six number one celebrities who lose their faith. Number two assurance of salvation. Number three gospel preaching that makes Jesus desirable number for social justice number five preferred pronouns, and finally persecution of Christians so to get to the interview today.

Hope you'll be informed to be biblical as we think through these key issues of RJ of our day, and let's get to the first segment with Todd Friel, one of the big stories this year and evangelicalism is the fact that Joshua Harris well-known author, former pastor announced that he was getting separated and didn't consider himself to be a Christian any longer, but also recently one of the musicians from Hill song I believe was Member's name said the same thing. How do you explain how something like that happens when we see these things. People tend to get a little bit panicked. How can a guy like that.

Who's been in the spotlight of evangelical Christianity for so long possibly renounce his faith. That should give us confidence that the Bible is inspired.

Jesus promised this would happen. The conversations that Jesus had on the subject of false converts those who profess to be a believer but don't possess a self saving faith. I got that from your book while I was in my concept.

I like what I did take it from you.

It should give us confidence that Jesus knew what he was talking about who he made these predictions that this is going to happen and so when we see it. Don't let it rock your faith let it give you assurance that the Bible is indeed the word of God now to answer your question because I do think that's the big take away from these things I think are theology first John two they went out from among us because they were never a part of us in the right place. He was a part of evangelical Christianity who was probably called on a little bit too soon to be thrust into the spotlight without any testing to see if he was really sound in his theology and faith. So he simply demonstrated that while he made a profession of faith. He wasn't really a Christian and that too can scare people.

So we want to be careful that we make sure we should examine ourselves to see if we are on the truth but it shouldn't become an obsession of ours and every little sin that we commit none of them are little shouldn't cause us to think that we are suddenly a Joshua Harris so examine yourself. See if you're in the faith, so that you don't find yourself like Josh Harrison wasn't in the faith at all. There has been a lot of conversation about the this celebrity culture within the evangelical church to build up people who are Christian leaders. They write books they speak at conferences they have multisite churches. Why does that happen. What is your response and how that I haven't kinda mixed on.

I want to be careful we don't throw out the baby with the bathwater. If you are told evangelicals 100 years ago and there's going to be these devices and mechanisms where you could get the gospel of Jesus Christ to billions of people.

It's called media, Internet, computers, satellites, cable, telephone, all of those things they'd fix it, bring it on bring it on. We can use that well with that has come some unfortunate fruit like Josh Harris.

We were elevate some men who should not be put up on a pedestal, we tend to look at them with.

I think a little bit more of them being role models than we probably should.

And if nothing else from this Josh Harris debacle, who are the men that we should be esteeming who are the ones that we should be looking at and I'll tell you who they are there not far away from either the pastor in your local church. We all love guys like John MacArthur, RC's name name your favorite and it's great and we should benefit from them. We should praise God for them, but we can examine them like we can examine our local pastor Marge his life put your pastor on a pedestal if you will, and benefit from these brilliant men that God has provided great gifts to including Internet and social media. Let's let's let's eat the meat and spit out the bones and well said Todd Friel with us today on the Christian worldview radio program is the host of wretched TV and radio.

Lots of great resources. You can find in their website wretched.org. Okay, let's go from celebrities who quote unquote lose their faith to then the follow-up question is about assurance of salvation can one more thing, Josh.

I'm sorry this is just this is a big deal because a lot of Christians get pretty wobbly need, after something like. I think Josh's writings make it pretty clear what what was off there. Even he confessed that his religious faith was more of a system, how to have a good marriage how to find a good spouse how to live a good life. But that's not Christianity. Christianity is about being reconciled to your God, and of course his statutes are for us to benefit and grown to live rightly but that's that's a minimal isolation of Christianity, and a lot of world systems provide you with a good way to live. Christianity is about being reconciled to God.

He revealed he'd kind of just bought into this kind of work in is good. I got good connections of making a living, nice relationships, be careful that your Christian faith is based on the right thing. In other words, is not about a way to live.

It's about a God to know and follow and obey and worship you and if somebody right away will tag you on that, and civil, are you saying that we should live that way.

No not saying that, but that's not what Christianity is.

Christianity is, you can be reconciled with the creator of the universe who was formerly your enemy. Now you can be reconciled and because he provided that reconciliation now we obey and we have in life tends to go better. But if we divorce the ladder from the former then then you're just in a system right now. Well said. Again Todd Friel with us today, so let's move on to the assurance of salvation piece to this email.

You'll hear someone say in response to Joshua Harris's departure. Well, if one chooses faith in Christ.

One can choose to walk away.

That's how they would explain that. Why is that biblically inaccurate. Now, I can't help but think about Romans 828 those whom he foreknew he predestined he elected people in eternity past, he sent out a general call through preachers and teachers and through his word, he gave the effectual call those he justified he signed. By the way its interest in past tense and active meeting.

He did everything so he said he justified he sanctified and he glorified you can get yourself saved. You can't get yourself lost and that is a joyous message and I wonder if because there's so much wonky preaching and so much squishy watered-down lovey-dovey God just as nuts about you and just ask him in your heart that we sometimes is conservative Bible believing Christians forget God saved us enough to let us go if you can choose to no longer be a Christian. Congratulations, you are more powerful than the God who saved you that is not going to be thwarted in his plans.

He who began a good work in you.

He's faithful to complete it in you. If you can somehow lose your faith. Congratulations, you have destroyed the intercessory work of the Holy Spirit and of the Lord Jesus Christ because they are interceding for you. Even now you congratulations God created the universe, spoke it into existence six 24-hour days not all that long ago asked Niccolo he promised to send a seed he accomplished at every single book in the Old Testament is pointing to the sea, Jesus Christ.

He delivered on time at the right time, born of a virgin, lived under the law, he was crucified roast he accomplished all of that 2000 years of church history, saving maybe billions of people but you will come along and you destroy the whole plan by losing your salvation nonsense. Kinda ridiculous, doesn't it, and it is and that should bring us great comfort that you are in the Savior's hands and you yourself cannot snatch you from answering John 10. No one can snatch them out of my father's hands Todd Friel with us today. So to explain Joshua Harris's departure would be unless we see him repent and return. It's likely that Josh Harris was never genuinely converted. I more than likely if if he has denouncing the faith and persevering and that till he dies and he never was among us in the first place.

Okay, let's go from celebrities who lose their faith talking about the assurance of salvation. That's what that question brings up to next. You talked about another topic, you been talking about in your radio and television programs, a gospel that makes Jesus desirable. What does that mean and then part B of the question is how would you describe how the gospel is being presented in mainstream evangelicalism today. Yeah I been thinking about this a lot because you can help a look at our culture and wonder what where did what happened here and you know this. This used to be the majority religion with so much influence in our culture. What went wrong, why do we see 18% of Christians say they read their Bible on a regular basis.

18% giving it's it's puny compared to the number of Christians. There are 340 to 360,000 Christian churches in this country and the national anthem it it it it it really should be a mighty Fortress is our God with that many Christian outposts. Our saltiness is gone.

The light is dim and I think one of the reasons is because of the false convert rate that exists in an secularism.

I think science with its inroads. I think a lot of kids went the silly youth group programs, they never really were presented with a serious face a runoff university.

They hear some serious professors in their persuaded to leave the faith of their fathers recently reading Blaise Pascal interesting fellow 1700s. He was it was Roman Catholic. Nevertheless, he was wondering why and why is atheism having so many inroads in Western Europe and his his pen saves his thoughts French word for thoughts so we get the God shaped hole in your heart rate kinda butchered that but nevertheless he was having thoughts and what he was considering was how do we present the Christian faith as being so amazing that people wanted and then we demonstrate it's true, and it got me to thinking these days we been doing it in reverse. One of the big stories this year, an event okay will take our first break of the day here on the Christian real figure listening to an interview with Todd Friel. He is the host of the wretched television and radio programs or website is wretched.org and by the way Todd is in Minneapolis right now. So for our Twin Cities listeners. He's going to be preaching tomorrow that Sunday, August 25 at Faith Bible church which meets at the University of Northwestern St. Paul.

I believe your service time is 9:30 AM. During the summer. Also, just before the break. You just want to remind you that we are coming up very quickly on our Christian worldview events in mid-September.

The speaker series event on Sunday, September 15 you hear about in the as today at Grace Church Eden Prairie, the impact of social justice on the church and the gospel.

Todd feels… That a second to Darrell Harris that is our speaker coming for that event on September 15. No registration no cost to music by higher call quartet Q&A after the message were really looking forward to this event. Grace Church Eden Prairie sit down there Sunday, September 15 and the next day, September 16 is our annual golf and dinner event. You can find out more about that and you can register it has to be done by the day after Labor Day Tuesday, September 3. All the information is in her website the Christian worldview.org lot more coming up with Todd Friel.

Next we talked about top issues for Christians.

So far in 2019.

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We can, God will the cattle reconciled us to himself. So thanks for joining us today here on the Christian road you're talking about top issues for Christians. So far in 2019. I asked Todd Friel who was on a trip up here to the upper Midwest to Minnesota for an interview and studio and said were some of the biggest you've been discussing on your program this year. He listed six and so we talked about celebrities who lose their faith. The assurance of salvation an hour and get into the gospel preaching that makes Jesus desirable with get back to the interview with Todd Friel. Another topic even talking about in your radio and television programs gospel that makes Jesus desirable or what does that mean, yeah, I've been thinking about this a lot because you can help a look at our culture and wonder what word what happened here.

You know this.

This used to be the majority religion with so much influence in our culture.

What went wrong, why do we see 18% of Christians say they read their Bible on a regular basis. 18% giving it's it's puny compared to the number of Christians.

How do we present the Christian faith as being so amazing that people wanted and then we demonstrate it's true, and it got me to thinking these days we been doing it in reverse. We we been on our heels. We study apologetics all well and good, a helmet, what about textual criticism. What about manuscript house about Pro prophecies fulfilled all very good, but it's very defensive posture as opposed to lifting up the Christ as the beautiful one that he is so that people see him go. I want I want that recently was spending some time with Pastor Mike Riccardi, great, great preacher if you ever heard about Mike Riccardi got a lot of program. Is this just terrific for you Fatima, the press whippersnapper yeah you know what he preaches like nobody's business. And we were with him and I said, would you please preach the gospel. David, I wanted to get saved again and I'm paraphrasing I'm not doing it any justice, but this is this is an example of what I have been thinking about up with how we present the gospel he began it like this, would you not want to know the most majestic entity in the universe. Would you not want to know the one who is glorious, magnificent, loving, kind and always truthful. Wouldn't you want to know the one who laid down his life for you. You can you can have your sins forgiven by the glorious God who saw you in your pathetic state and took mercy on you and sent his son to die on your behalf. Wouldn't you want to know that Scott and I thought that's that's that's getting regular that's that's making it like whoa presenting the gospel in such a way that it makes it attractive.

And then if people ask is it true did this really happen for me right then we can trot out all of our apologetics. Let's set him up as desirable and then let's defend them. I think that's it. That's a great point you make there is it's so true. Starting with trying to convince people apologetically intellectually but really again it goes back to this is your creator. This is the God of the universe. You can be in relationship with him.

You can live the purpose for which you were created, you can be as you mentioned earlier reconciled to God. I've been thinking about the suicide issue to think the kids are killing themselves unprecedented rates. Why is this happening. Sorry for the analogy, but I think it works. Nevertheless, to try to help people understand.

No other religion can explain why we see such ugliness and beauty outside of us and inside of us. The Christian faith does actually Pascal was saying is let's not be shying away from original sin, is it really explaining you are states of mind there there and reality at the help that helps us understand reality that Steve Jobs is the Apple what God is to you. Steve Jobs designed a computer God designed you, Steve Jobs designed a computer to run with certain operating systems and if you use the wrong one.

It's not going to run right. Same thing with you. God designed you to run on his operating system.

It's called the Bible. And when you don't you're listening to the lies of the world and you're not gonna run right and so what God wants to do for us is save us reconciled us.

Forgive all of our sins. But then he goes about the process of rebooting us if you will and and just imprinting new software into us the Bible and that is where emotional healing comes from the word we deal with our issues of anger think that the guilt, the shame that we all experience and feel the bad thinking and processing wrong priorities wrong desires. He just reboots it, and with the word being imprinted on our brains makes us more and more like him so that we can know what real joy is don't even know what that is, fundamentally, we look at our society and sale, things are falling apart all these crazy things are happening, men who think their women in the affirmation of that society. All this is is fundamentally a rejection of God and what he stated in his word and when you reject that things just go crazy and go insane. It shouldn't surprise us that the West is is debasing itself and it's all surrounding sexual issue because everybody seeking self pleasure and they think that's it. That's a lie. The world system which is led by the devil who happens to be the father of lies who started lying in the garden, then trust me don't trust God, trust me. Of course it would boil down to self pleasure defining at any single way that you want to is because their brains have been running on the wrong software the world system software David you know you know this. You've got a wife, you've got a lovely boy that those joys of sitting on to your lovely family. Those are profound. The world doesn't even know what they did, they would look at you and go it, you've got seven heads. They don't even realize the sweetness of those things that God said this is the good stuff right here so they chase after the wrong things.

Looking for the basis pleasures possible, because they been running on the wrong software Todd Friel with us today in the Christian worldview.

The host of wretched TV and radio program. Their website you can find all kinds of incredibly helpful resources is Richard.org let's move now to one of the big issues going on in evangelical church today. It Artie took over that of the mainstream Protestant churches back in the early 1900s, the issue of social justice were actually having her upcoming Christian review speaker series event on this particular Todd love Terrell.

You have such a good time.

Yeah Darrell Harrison were very much looking forward to that. What caused this new tack to go down the route of social justice maybe could define what evangelicals who think that should be a priority. What they mean by it. What they see why they're pursuing it now in really what's wrong. I think a lot of Christians that what's wrong with trying to level the playing field so to speak, or try to help those who are oppressed are those who lack cortical privilege. Now that that's it. That's a loaded question from every angle.

The social justice issue is a new really. You can early 20th century Protestant and liberal Protestants Rob Rauch and Bush going 1920s the concept itself isn't new that the gospel rather than being reconciliation between God and man.

It's more about doing good unto people so that people can flourish and that is the Christian faith really boils down to that which incidentally that's not a religion of grace. That's a religion of work. So it seems to have caught on because we do see in life disparities.

Now here's the question and I'm not getting into anybody's particulars. I'm not getting into skin color on marketing interracial section any of that but observing the world through a biblical filter is God okay with disparities in the answers.

Yeah, he is your smarter than you play tennis better than I what is God okay with that answers yet he gave you two different skills than he's given me some people are born in this ZIP Code, others, and that some are born to parents.

Some are born to one in the home and God seems to be okay with people being born into different socioeconomic structures with different gifting's and skills. It doesn't need to be a level playing field that we all have the same now. Should there be the abilities or the. The avenues for everybody to succeed. Absolutely that's that guy I think that's Christian, but I think we need to be careful.

Everybody does need to be arriving at the same place and to take your gifts.

Let's just say I'm a mediocre tennis player. So somehow David, you gotta give me some of your skills salute that we can level the Bible has a name for that and it's called stealing and whether it's done by the government or an individual with a gun. It still stealing, so I think the whole social justice idea motivated rightly that we see people in trouble and we want to help those people.

If a Christian doesn't something is seriously wrong. The question is how do we go about doing that and I think the Bible makes it very clear we don't do it through government programs.

We don't do it through legislative means. The Christians individually should be helping their neighbors. Local churches should be making their own decisions, how they choose to engage in their community. Whether it is with whether it's racial issues, whether it's a food pantry whether it's diapers for mommies who need help, they they get to decide those things we do good forcing somebody to do good, that is not Christianity. Okay, listening to an interview with Todd Friel today on the top issues for Christians. So far in 2019 and probably likely more of them as we continue throughout the year. Todd is the host of wretched television and radio. Wretched.org is their webs that we have much more coming up with him. Hope you're enjoying and gaining from this interview, I'm David Wheaton you're listening to the Christian review radio program and were back after this. You are invited to the Christian worldview golf and dinner on Monday, September 16 that would Hill country club was at a Minnesota golf registration includes 18 holes with card on one of the best courses in the state with lunch and dinner. Bring your own force. We can fit you into whole sponsorships are also dinner event description includes a meeting agreed on one wonderful meal a message by host David Wheaton in a live interview with special guest Darrell Harrison the Fellowship content in setting combined to make this a memorable event in support of the Christian worldview writing program. We hope you can come again the Christian worldview golf and dinner event is on Monday, September 16 would help in wiser registration deadline is Tuesday, September 3 for details and registration: one AAA 646-2233 or visit the Christian world.org one AAA 646-2233 the Christian world. The mission of the Christian worldview is to sharpen the biblical worldview of Christians and to share the good news that all people can be reconciled to God through Jesus Christ for when Christians have a stronger faith. And when unbelievers come to saving faith lives and families and churches and communities are changed for the glory of God. The Christian worldview is a listener supported ministry. You can help us in our mission to impact hearts and minds by making a donation of any amount or becoming a monthly partner. All donations are tax-deductible. You can give online@thechristianworldview.org or calling us toll-free 1888 646-2233. When you give like to thank you by sending you a current resource. Monthly partners can choose to receive resources throughout the year, one AAA eight 646-2233 or go to the Christian world you.org.

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Our website is the Christian world.org. Lots of resources and past programs and current offers and Center for weekly email all that nuclear sure takes@herwebsitethechristianreview.org are guest today is Todd feel the host of wretched television and radio programs and they were talking about top issues he's been covering on his own programs this year for Christians in 2019. Let's get straight back to the interview with Todd Friel why so often to those who are very adamant about social justice.

Why is the gospel so often not a part of that outreach. There's a lot of things that aren't a part of it because the current manifestation of social justice.

It's based on. I think some really bad ideologies, critical race theory intersection malady liberation theology. These are all ideas that conservatives have denounced for a long time. Somehow they snuck their way into conservative circles as they always do and they they've made some inroads.

I would like to say this, though, about the social justice issue and personally this is the biggie. Right now we need to deal with this issue pretty fast amongst Bible believing Christians because I I fear the divide is already happening in some of it is necessary. Some of it is not. If you will but let's say on the right side just the conservative side, if you will all the way to the right side of the social justice issue when it comes to racial issues and reconciliation issues. You've got white supremacists in the KKK. That's like the radical wing ding way right there way over on the left side for the social justice folks you got cultural Marxist or just flat out Marxism. Okay, we agree those are both bad and I think that there are shades on the way to let let's just call it a dividing line.

There are there good men that right now are on the other side of the social justice issue than some of us were are conservative on the social justice issue that are being labeled as heretics. Apostate and a year ago they weren't and they haven't changed their position at all. There are some people who have some sympathies with some social justice issues. They they see, for instance systemic racism okay is that heresy if you disagree with. It really is that is that heretical. But are they accurate about that you think you know what that that wouldn't even be my point at this moment. My concern is that there are true brothers on both sides of this issue in varying shades who still should be able to have fellowship but there is a divide. This is somehow being turned into. This is an issue of orthodoxy. I've already said, remember the KKK. You got big problems. Your cultural Marxist, you got big problems, but there are shades of it on the way to the center of this and I am by no means of moderate on most things, but there are men that we used to do conferences with that we no longer do art did they suddenly change on justification know what they they have a different take on it now. Time will reveal there's more to it. But until that happens, we better be careful how much dividing were doing because it could turn into a circular firing Scott. I agree with you that time will reveal because that has a way of just revealing where these things end up in where someone who stands in one side of the issue ends up as best it a ton of confusion right now and so I would. I would just still encourage all of us. Let's just keep our powder dry on some of these things London. I liken this on to the baptismal issue I can imagine years ago when Presbyterians and and and believers baptism. Folks were looking at each other. There is maybe some separating going on will somehow we learned to get Presbyterians and Baptist somehow figured out. This is an heresy.

I disagree with you on the whole Pato baptism thing but we still love each other and we better find where that is on this issue and if there people who are outside of that they can be labeled but let's not divide over non-essential social justice issue is an important issue.

I think to understand not only was going on with the church. With that, but this is the driving issue. I think politically within the country as well to this is what the left bases all their advocacy for the programs and policies they try to implement is all in terms of social justice and it drives me bonkers because we Christians, we actually have the answers to the problem. Yes, I mean, for what it's been said a million times, but it's true.

A million times what what is what separates us.

Were not in Christ. So Galatians tells us that in Christ there is no rich, no poor know some money if no free if you will know black, no white, no yellow, no read it it were in Christ, we got a new identity, I met a political party. I'm not even if you will, a citizen of a particular, citizen of the kingdom of God. That's my identity and that your identity and were in this together. That's that's the great reconciled. Yes it is but and there's there's there's more things we could talk about are some huge issues. I do believe the Christians have a lot to say but weren't were not even getting out right darting black and that's with dividing our country, all the identity groups need the division of people and does not can lead to unity in this this country.

Unfortunately again, Todd Friel with us today on the Christian world.

Your radio program talking about some of the most important issues that he's been discussing on his own program called wretched both a television program in a radio program you can find out more about it and get connected with it going to their website wretched.org let's move on to a cultural issue as we descend down the chain here to the whole transgender movement you mentioned using a preferred corn caught the preferred pronoun of transgender people as being a topic that you think is going to reach critical mass for Christians in this country and I've often thought of this thinking Canada. There's even laws. At this point that you have to call people by their preferred pronoun or else the elders legal action against you. Should a Christian call someone by the preferred pronoun even though you know that's a lie that there are, of a man who is born a man really can't be a woman. So to call that man a her actually lying to that person. I would start with either Romans 14 of first Corinthians 8 through 10 and suggest that this subject falls underneath the theological umbrella of disputable dispensations on the offer. If you will of these are the great areas of the Christian faith that two different Christians can have different opinions on this and we better be really really slow to call the other one a sinner. Here's a question on its fundamental level, is it a sin to call somebody by the wrong pronoun eight we got answer that question because it is just a matter of time. This is what thrust Gordon Peterson in the spotlight. He was the one in Canada who said hey, hold it, you can tell me is a government to use this pronoun that's that's forcing speech that's not even taking freedom of speech are telling me what to seven and were seeing this with corporations increasingly we hear from a lot of folks and Hanks were doing this training and schoolteachers for reactants will have students and so I see two sides of it and and I think both have really valid arguments and my encouragement would be whichever side of the argument neuron to remember this concept called Audi offer and that there's little ding others things that maybe we just see a little bit differently on one side you got the side that you rightly represented the dude is a guy not a girl. I can't: one girl that's you know that that's that's contributing to his old why you affirming that in the middle. I guess I get that I try you know, and I understand it, and that's how I will confess to you that was like I was 100% in that camp. Initially, Bruce. I remember watching you in the Olympics tonight. Caitlin did okay so through some time and just pondering it. Maybe this is wrong, but we need to ask what's going on in somebody's brain who is transgender there there there a boy they think they're a girl, while the DSM, the diagnostic statistical manual used to say they had a mental disorder could Cpl. Klinger try to get kicked out of the Army by dressing up like a woman because we looked at that and said something's wrong and they need some help. They don't need affirmation. They need help mental illness which we all have because of the noetic effect of the fall or brains all have gotten different manifestations of problems, but we all a mental illness.

These people can go to work. These people can function and have a mortgage, but that doesn't mean that they don't have some sort of mental issue going on so I imagine it like this. If I were working in some sort of facility with people who struggle with with mental and emotional issues and I and a guy said don't call me Bob. I'm George the giraffe what I call him George that I mean clearly something is wrong and perhaps he gets agitated when I call him by his his given name Bob he thinks he's George the giraffe, am I encouraging him to continue thinking he's George the giraffe or am I keeping a calm so that I can have a relationship to help them understand your Bob, not a longnecked animal and I think that that is a fair argument.

Is it okay for me to use his preferred pronoun or name in an effort to get him help. I think that that can be pretty compelling to so as we all work through this together. You will have to decide this because it is coming.

I will probably be willing to call someone by their chosen name because you choose your name but your your genders assigned to units. I probably would not call someone by their I just call them by their name over and over again using the pronoun I cannot. I am telling David again to the dollar. Yes, I had so I see this one, but anyway Todd Friel with us today in the Christian Rove you the final topic is gone from celebrities lose their faith to assurance of salvation to a gospel that makes Jesus desirable, rather than just a way to live to social justice to pronoun for transgender people is quite a list number six is persecution because I can see how the number five if you don't use the correct pronoun for transgender people that they prefer that could lead to persecution of you the number one persecuted demographic in the world is drumroll Christian right question. Okay Todd Friel answer the question he's about to propose year after this final break of the day here on the Christian real view radio program. I was thinking as he was answering the question about should we call people by the pronoun they have chosen a man who's thinks he is now woman.

Should we go along with that and call him her thinking what point we've arrived to her society where you have to discuss that question really that shows you how far we've come and how much work we have to do to make the gospel clear clear make biblical teaching, clear coming back more after this, the Todd Friel on the Christian real. The next Christian worldview speaker series and is on Sunday, September 15 at 7 PM at Grace Church Eden Prairie.

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Without shipping to order call one AAA to 646-2233 or visit the Christian were.org final thing of the day here on the Christian real view radio program. Just a reminder that our guest today. Todd Friel will be preaching tomorrow here in the Twin Cities that faith Bible Church at the University of Northwestern St. Paul at 9:30 AM today in the program were talking about the top issues for Christians that Todd has been covering this year in his own programs, wretched radio and television and let's get back to the final segment. One of a few follow-up comments afterwards. If you don't use the correct pronoun for transgender people that they prefer that could lead to persecution of you the number one persecuted demographic in the world is drumroll Christian right question. Is there any difference in the DNA of, say, a North Korean who was at this moment torturing one of our Christian brothers or sisters. In a labor camp in Korea. Then any politician in America know in China though, kill Christians, we got Christian brothers and sisters were getting ripped out of their churches and homes and put in the labor camps in their work in them to death. Is there anything about human nature. In Western folk that is going to keep them from potentially doing that and the answer is there's there's no fundamental difference. So to say that it's just not possible here is to deny the basics of depraved humanity.

It is possible here.

The question that we should ask though is if it comes and the handwriting appears to be on the wall how to react because this is this is a table Turner for Christians in this country, not a Mac and thankfully God is given us a book called first Peter and I think he lays out everything we need to know about persecution and it is radical.

The theme of the book is persecution and so he starts out by preaching the gospel. That's a tell and then he starts to tell people who are taking far more of a beating than you and I are currently facing. You might not get a job because you're a Christian, you might have a crabby neighbor because you're a Christian. These people are being boiled in oil for being a Christian, he does in the love one another. He tells them to be holy. He tells them to submit to a horrible government tells the husband to submit to the wife the wife to submit to the husband the church to submit to the pastor and I think the central verse and all that is first Peter 315 when you're being persecuted, you are going to respond in such a way that is going to force people to go. What's the deal with you. Tell me about the hope that lies within you. Peter sees persecution as an evangelistic opportunity that we are to be holy, set apart loving people that the world looks at and goes, I don't what they got.

But I'm interested in that. That is how were to respond to persecution.

I might suggest we start getting that thought blasted indoor range because it sure does appear to be, and I agree with you, and so I want this follow up with one question, one more question from our own list of topics you done recently on the Christian really was last week's topic we talked about the situation in Hong Kong, and the fact that this freedom loving people in Hong Kong who will render the British colony for over 100 years and they got handed back to communist China, 1997 and now China is exerting a grip on them and in violating the rights they thought they were guaranteed a least a 1947. People are protesting in the streets against this this government, this tyrannical government. Weeds are the talk about his or any scenario where Christians, especially in America. As you see this this leftward turn in the persecution is taking place of our government oversteps the bounds of our Constitution, the Declaration of Independence, even the Sigma using the example of the Revolutionary war. Back in the day.

Some people say that was justified. Some people say wasn't justified. What you say about Christians resisting government to the point of taking up arms. If there violating our own Constitution. Or maybe give some context and that with regard to the American Revolution because some pastors were in favor of her, and some pastors were first of all, I have a mandate from God to protect my wife and children want to do that. So whatever means that that takes to keep my kids from being hurt my wife from being hurt. II can protect them regardless of the entity not having said that, you talk about Hong Kong. There's a pastor there. I wish I could remember his name is happened a number of months ago you read the story pretty big church there Protestant church and he was preaching to his congregation because the signs were there there there starting to post signs in in China.

If you tattle on a Christian you get points be gathered at the control system. Yes, I get points and you move up in the culture. What a recipe for terror that is in this fellow was preaching to his congregation.

He asked the question who is bigger our government or King Jesus is our government really going to stop the forward process of the gospel is the Chinese government going to be the first entity to somehow overcome the promise of Jesus that even the gates of hell will not prevail against the building of his church. This government is not going to thwart the work of King Jesus were citizens of a different country. I think every Christian that we need to work through this because we have been able to live in an unprecedented time of kindness from the government to Christians if that changes.

We need to start remembering our mandate is to preach the gospel of Jesus Christ, so that even our enemies whom we are charged to love will ask us about the hope that lies within us.

They will get saved and they will glorify God to that's our mandate so we can have debates and people are, by the way, Greg Fraser, he wrote a great book on the subject recently about the Revolutionary war. Read it compelling stuff.

I would simply state read the Bible.

What are our marching orders and I think Jesus made it very very clear goal and make disciples reach the gospel. He's building his church. Remember what he said, my kingdom is not of this world. He's building is own spiritual empire and the good news is the best form of government. There is, is a theocracy and when King Jesus returns all of these governments will be gone and he's going to rule and reign. And that is the kingdom that we should be most interested in. Thank you for that perspective. Tonsure question did not yell so your against the American adolescent to follow the question of I will make make you answer it even like tea all right.thank you so much for coming on the Christian review and all you do to exalted God and his word in the gospel on your radio program and television available for you. Yeah, same here time of God's best in grace to you. Okay been listening to an interview with Todd Friel today, the host of wretched television and radio and other webs that again is wretched.org to get connected with their ministry put a lot of great resources and content great on evangelism.

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