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November 14, 2015 1:00 pm

Kingdom Pursuits

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Kingdom pursuits where you hear from ordinary people instilled with an extraordinary passion together we explore the stories of men and women who take what they love and let God turn their passion into the kingdom pursuits now live from the truth.

Your host Robbie Gilmore God's timing is often I every week to see how he times out. The guest arrived on kingdom pursuits and we see how God takes and uses it to build the kingdom and once again he's come through for some amazing way.

Today I think you'll see is a show plays out today that first up we have Chris Patton and Chris has a wonderful website called Christian faith@work.com and you know what he is passion is to be able to share and integrate his faith into his work and if there's ever a time and that as we see the events of the last 24 hours that were to need to be able to integrate our faith with our work and you know organ to be stand around the water cooler and it's can be a lot of folks, and have a lot of questions. We have an opportunity to shine a light as we talked about in the Christian pressure today to Chris, welcome to the kingdom pursuits. I'm so glad to have you, especially for such a time as this.

And so thrilled you ran a 5K this morning just to get here and so could you share with our listeners a little bit about how God has been using you in but you're actually in the car business. I didn't share that, but how he is used you and that line in order to be a light out 12 years ago, like third-generation and we been running it for about 15 years now, but about 1213 years ago that I started realizing that God was more than just by Sunday and occasionally unite for my life.

31 whole thing delete it you follow my fate have an impact for him and then I realized they were.

I greatly think about for the headed baby realized that I could update in the bit and posted roughly 3 that's what we been trying to do it in our dealership great got about 100 employees and got it. You shall not if you give her way more to integrate our fate into the workplace in a day in day out.

We can wait out in the examples we had a chaplain that come through two days a week and time with each and every employee roughly hundred employees believe the Bible study on Thursday and Friday voluntary and teaching them how to be a chaplain in their area of the workplace really all of our meeting with prayer.

We have a library of books. We can check out we actually have 67 proven ways because we know this from the book to get to several of those but I know one of the things that the listeners are going to want to hear and I don't remember.

I've heard I've heard it. I don't remember if it was a dream or vision, but God gave you on how to do this exactly is really going to be cool. You're going to love to hear that. But next up on kingdom pursuits. We also have with this very special treatment. Very special person.

We have my intern who is Caleb Billingham and as a truth radio intern. EBuddy is also Christian warrior. He has a Christian blog and he's doing all sorts of interesting things and I thought it would be really cool for listeners to hear how Caleb integrates along this whole theme of integration how you integrate your faith in into your life and your work. Caleb welcome.

Thank you in my life and in school. Guilford texts studying the concert sound and lighting and then going on mission trips and have my blog as well so in a somewhat different getting ready somebody ready to be on the radio than actually having to be the one to be on the radio.

So what he actually does for me is every week. EP posts our blog here on kingdom pursuits, which by the way, we have all the information about Christian faith@work.com Chris's website, and his 67 prison proven ways to integrate his faith is all there it kingdom pursuits.com as well as Caleb's blog and all that information but you know, and kingdom pursuits. There's got to be original so as I was thing about all this. We have a phenomenal opportunity to integrate our faith in a very sick world.

Speaking of sick like this Caleb man who wrote in the carpool felt sick whenever he passed under a certain tunnel and you guessed it is doctor diagnosed with carpool, and this one's a little tougher. What's the difference between bird flu and swine flu became a sickness incident between bird influence swine flu one needs a treatment and the other one in ointment with good, but Esan and at the end of all this shenanigans you knew I would actually have a riddle in which you can win today if you can tell us which horse in the book of Revelation which horse in the book of Revelation might place you in a ships compartment whose name is comparable. What Horace and the book of Revelation might place you in a ships compartment whose name is comparable in a spaceship. Sometimes they have one of those two.

By the way John if you watch Star Trek.

They have one. If you have the riddle 866-34-TRUTH 87884 866-34-TRUTH and if you answer today's riddle. Johnny Belmont that went through prize packages including magnet how I know we have booked we have pie-in-the-sky from happily ever after Diane all I've got lots of copies of that failure. All you gotta do is tell us which horse in the book of Revelation might place you in a ships compartment whose name is comparable 863487884's number to call in 86634 truths of Chris. Along those lines, I it's been a couple three years since I heard the story. It was a dream or was it a vision and can you share it with our listeners. I will I will call reading Scripture. I'm trying to figure out what in the world. It looks like to integrate patent work and really trying to figure out what my part with the company. How do I do that and and try to get got the picture that came a lot my mind reading through first grade 3 where Paul is talking about building delayed foundation of Christ, and that working to build on top of that with our lives.

You would hate double installers. We feel he could do basically whatever you build a fire on that day.

Yeah, what you feel survived the fire. So if eternal is not difficult, then you'll be rewarded for that. If it doesn't survive the fire burned out the physical been you'll still escape the just barely basically going the picture in my mind that you talk about it. I just picture we got about 19 acres of property with free extra for building three dealership reconditioning center and better employee. Figure it would last Saturday at the property with balloons and cars and in a circus atmosphere. All this going on picture that going through the fire and what was left and frankly there was nothing left because the building burned the cars burned the steel rack the undercard on everything bar in that fire. The teacher was left with 19 acres of scorched-earth, black or what I did and what clarified it for me. There were silhouette hundreds hopefully thousands of silhouette nodding it. 19 acres and the image I got was the silhouette represented old that were impacted for eternity because of the way we operated a bit in my job description at that moment became keyword at silhouette that was for Michael. Now that is nominal to catch out that music means I have to go to a break and were hoping that some regulars a call and I really thought you could get this which horse in the book of Revelation might place you in a ships compartment whose name is comparable 866-34-TRUTH 87884 we got so much more, from proceeding.

See how powerful it is. Caleb welcome back can't take to build the kingdom.

Today we are blessed to have with us Chris Patton with his website Christian faith at work and the author of 67 proven ways to integrate your faith in your business without being pushy or are you will find out how you get that a free e-book on that very subject little bit later in the broadcast and we have with us.

Also Caleb doing him. He is a truth intern Christian warrior and he has a blog to prove it and he works with me often at end Caleb as I was looking at your blog. I was curious, you know, and I similarly to see what Caleb's got here and an unknown Caleb. Actually, since probably you were born I know I know you and you were two or three so on only one thing about that, but I've known Caleb as he grew up. And so I'm really really blessed to and in your inquiry back when I talk. Believe it or not with my voice that he would ever spectate. It was been and I have been friends for years and years. I saw how fun I can go see Caleb's blog and when I did here was this picture of a paper plate and Caleb, can you describe that this is it kingdom pursuits.com.

By the way, along with the stuff on Chris Patton, etc. but can you describe for our listeners. Caleb what's on that plate will during the during the wintertime. The business organization city with the dwelling that has a has homeless shelters at different churches in a volunteer one that's often no woods treat. It's a Kimber the name of this Episcopalian church demo for no woods treat the this is the plate with the with this lady gave me with the thank you note to tell me help how we bless her, by being there hoping I gotta read this plate is how cool is this. It says Caleb's name on the top of it. Mrs. Calvary Baptist Church and says I want to thank you for coming to St. Tim's so must be St. Timothy for coming and for helping us out with the overflow shelter. Not sure after that but I have been blessed to have a special people like yourself. Come in here and be with us. Have a blessed day your friend Alice white and I find that often. Caleb, when we deal with folks in shelters and stuff where you know the only reason were not in the shelter right now, you and me is that the just by the grace of God. So where were very easily, you know, maybe two or three or 10 paychecks away from being ourselves but those people always have this phenomenal gratitude in the sense of why would you care about somebody like me and to go to the effort to write all that on the only thing is, she could find was this paper plate shows that this lady had a phenomenal gratitude when you agree to those of a lot of those people are just of very, very glad other people caring. Take the time to come down there and so for that point in time Caleb Ewart Ewart integrating your faith in your the hands and feet of Christ and in that the reason why is another reason why that paper plate jumped out at me and you might like this Chris you know for years and years. I was like Chris. I was at car dealer and we would have sales meetings every single day.

Imagine you guys have it to write Chris and what I found was an extremely effective sales meeting was what we called the mutual admiration society because so few people ever hear anything good about what they do and so I would say okay to this morning were declaring out a mutual admiration society Simon a call on each salesman and I want you to tell me something really good about another salesman that's here at the table or there in the meeting and it was amazing how beneficial that was and how the salesman would feel pumped up after that and that was pretty cool. And then I got the idea crazy as it is to put a paper plate on their back.

I took a string put it around on the paper plate just like that. Caleb and I would put a paper plate over the head so that would be on their back and then I would have the people right out stuff that was on the paper plate and so that this person will not only have the admiration but they would have it in writing and be able to keep and it's a phenomenal thing. I'd used it as a Sunday school class one time the same thing, just tell us what you like about the persons in your Sunday school class and I went to a reunion of that Sunday school class. It was high school kids.

I was doing it for this reunion was three years later and they got to talking about their paper plates and you know that over half the class still had their paper plate. Chris while because how how often do people tell us something that's encouraging about one week only test in an and in you know that in the car dealership. How many sales managers are beaten down every meeting and now you go out there you just get it but oh what a difference when the people that you work with give you something in writing that they really care about and what a way that we can we can be an encouragement and an and God gives us easily. Insights into our faith as we work so Chrissy got 67 proven waistcoats, but what I would love to hear is underneath those ways.

There's stories of people that were hurting and and you saw God come through for what your employees that you knew that on that day, when it all burned.

This particular story would still be there. Can you share one of those force young gentlemen: Joe cleanup department so entry-level he's making eight or nine dollars an hour watching cars and we had done an internal employee only blanket drive last year about right and we got a blanket drive for a local women and children homeless shelter and this guy generally start with taking hundred hundred 50 blanket loaded up the truck he took over there to the shelter and when he got over there. This young man had the need to be done some significant financial and other needs a hard worker to get. Come back and you can straighten all you know their kids after their home in July, I was aware that I just saw a bunch of the reduction of Chris will I don't know a lot on trying to track with you know, I'm not sure what they'll do what they can to move in and out of their and he said I want to do some going to carwash now one of the things that we do on a regular basis is date carwash for local organizations. They come in, bring the labor we provide all the tools they need water so exalted Russian everything and we let them do it carwash our property charge a dollar raise that money we paid him $10 recording wash each into their organization. Good fundraiser in Delray some times as much thousand $1500 that Mario said that home window Carlock and I think it q. week for Thanksgiving cold regarding if you believe that the organization that bring bring blank and I get volunteers from fully and it will you get them to give up Saturday all the come out wash cars now do to myself. It can be: not sure want to do this, but I got a little excited about Joe, you go get a lift to bring it back to North Eagleton will get this done. Less than an hour later he showed up with a list of 25 employee and all. If you broke their arm to get what we did that carwash today.

Joe ran the whole thing.

We had 50 people show up. We raised about $1300 which he had been bring a toy to clean the back of the truck if they did have a dollar they donate toys. We had a truck load literally $1300 in cash and he got taken back to the kids the Chris just watch when somebody else take that idea runs with it when there to guide and need and fill I just blew me away and and I and I can relate to that so well Chris because I can remember that it was often. You know the guys in the in the wash. That had stuff like that with their phenomenally giving people and at an when we used to have a Bible study there in the dealership that I had it in the end they would and come and share and it was just a phenomenal thing to watch as he began to shine a little bit a light how people would just blossom in the opportunity to do stuff like that and you know it's it's just ultimately so cool that God has you in such a place as this. And now these ideas that Chris is talking about. He shares at his website Christian faith@work.com and then you have a daily wet email that goes out right. Not quite daily. I do it three times a week and describe on that website is every week another two or three, and is just what got my heartbeat or something were doing and work something like that didn't work, but my goal that website started out as a hobby. I didn't think it really would ever get any traction I was doing it for myself but it morphed into something that really done fairly well. It got a lot of encouraging responses back from reader. Basically my goalie built other business owners and leaders to see their business and their job and how I hear your head occupation is exciting.

Crisply I got another break and I'm shocked nobody knew the answer to my riddle. So I'm throwing out there one more time which horse in the book of Revelation might place you in a ships compartment whose name is comparable 866-34-TRUTH 780 come back to the kingdom first we hear how God takes your passion and uses it to build the kingdom.

Today we're so excited to have with us actually to great friends of mine Chris Patton with Christian faith@work.com and the author of 67 proven ways to integrate your faith and your business without being pushy and we have Caleb Billingham our truth intern here at truth broadcasting and Christian warrior with a blog. So there you and as always I kingdom pursuits.com is is a great resource for your because it has obviously links to Chris's website and Chris's book and Caleb's blog but also every week we post our devotions that let you know for some of those of you who may go to nursing homes or you know it's that's that's hard. It's not that hard, you can have a ministry right around the corner that nursing home, assisted living place.

If you just going there once a week is actually I do myself and and Sharon so I print my devotions, which happen to be loaded with my humor and inspiring stories.

I print those every week and there's also a resource for special needs ministry and Sunday school so all those things are there@kingdompursuits.com as well as Robbie's third grade humor resource and my riddle switch. I'm just shocked nobody is called in this morning. I didn't think it was that hard so I can see that I've got to do a little work that is riddle which horse collar done this. Not a lot of horses in the book of Revelation there are few, but I think if you begin to think through this you can get it and we got a hold truth prize package waiting on you and even the book high in the sky from happily ever after. If you like, which horse in the book of Revelation. You might place in a ships compartment whose name is comparable, now I know you can do this on. I've never had my list is not come through somewhere 866-34-TRUTH 87884 is a number to call and also really slow.

866-348-7884 which horse in the book of Revelation which you place in a ships compartment whose name is comparable. I think we need to think through those horses that you go oh I get it, and immediately yield I'll 866-34-TRUTH you think I'm pushing Caleb to try to get some answer my riddle. I think I know it's so good to give it a try. But Caleb, I'm curious to hear you got all these different things in the and now you're you've gone into a line tell folksy again what you're doing to get protect setting the concert sound and lighting learning how to learning how to run a soundboard in learning how the make lights go crazy for consonants and how is God using that this Christmas will helping with the Calvary Christmas production.

At church the be doing the helping with the production side of things. So that flows and yeah I got a board with all kinds of lighting in all kinds of sound and it's kinda cool how God is take a map for you because it makes all the difference when the stage lights up the study and the when we have Sheila enrichment. I'm very excited has an answer to my riddle so I Sheila year on kingdom pursuits good morning, I now thank you. I'm so glad you called. You have no idea what you have for right foot. You know, and ships do that often they go conquer Athos. I hadn't thought of that, but that's a great answer and so by all means your winter Sheila, there's no doubt that that's that's one of the horses in the book of Revelation and there is no doubt every ship I ever met Caleb that it was out there in a lab. Battleships, especially the Conair there you go. And in the cool thing about that particular horse that you're talking about who's right and he and and and I think about that name on this file. There's just a lot of cool things when you think about that particular horse of God bless you Sha appreciate you calling so much in the least.

We have an answer to the riddle of nothing will get the audit. I bless you. You may have another thought.

It's okay. We'd love to hear from you.

866-34-TRUTH 878-848-6634 truth one horse down to to get Caleb at some point in time. Christ became real in your life and I'm definitely curious about how that you know happen for you. Can you kinda take us back to that place and where you were and how it happened was the is when I was a younger private 10, nine or 10 fill this as during my harden. I talked to my parents and they kinda walked me through through this depths, or whatever you want made sense to you when your parents told the thing made since the most was that was Jesus love me for who I am.

That's a big thing that that I got the and then he for gave you. You gave me and it gives be within one day.

I mean how cool is that that's pronounced so happy for you and Chris. I am always curious as one of the things I love to hear about is at some point it seems like our faith just becomes absolutely real was, and you take us back to that in your life like Caleb became a Christian, 10 years old. My grandmother cried and growth in the church until May will, but it was 30 years old when really just a series of things happen and got got my attention started with the left behind book I read the first one, and what struck me not as much with the story but the fact that the guys were left behind. It finally realized what it they grab the Bible and I couldn't put it down by Consuming the Bible every chance they had when they were awake they were reading and learning and I just hit me in the face that I didn't. I was a Christian of the believer and I like reading about that big man started a daily quiet time and over the next 12 to 18 month lag wrote in my passion just loaded and interest from that point forward. It was real.

It that's what state or what you think a Dixie cup Dixie light maybe not like that ever played the Dickie play with compartment God with compartment, and I realized that point he was actually wanting to be the entire flight in every area of my life, work, home, community, whatever would be about, and 30 years old is when I really got. This is my entire life make so many wonderful points and that discussion Chris and I have people all my life. Tell me Robbie, you need to have boundaries, you don't talk about faith in this setting, you eat you. You don't become friends with your employees. You don't become friends with your clients. You don't share the Bible with people that you work with, you know all these kind of things that that people have boundaries. I don't know how to put it other than act apartments in their Dixie plate. Like you said that that's where that goes. Always told me Robbie one of the great believer is a great example. Delia he always told me you do not make it with politics, religion, or it people all separate and and outlawed opposing him and that you get that boundary idea. You gotta keep it that is for me. I know it is for you christen and for Caleb as well.

I mean this is life-and-death stuff and as you described in the in your picture that everything else is going to get burned up, so if I care about my employees if I care about my friends. If I care about the people I work with.

How in the world could I not ask if you notarized and I am like you Chris that I'll read it a bit of something in the word in the morning that just light my fire like those around me know. This week I've ever read about the whole thing about breath in the fashion and how God spirit in your whole soul, so to speak. I immediately had to tell the company tell the people I work with tell my daughter when I'm in the car with her because I just experienced this in its units in a way it's like God is put on your armor every morning. If you go into the word you see one of the pieces of armor is the sword of the Spirit. Well if you didn't get the word today. You got no source of unity God indirectly battling you don't have any weapons, and so I think it's so cool it again for me.

Having been in the car business to hear how God is continued to do that for you in E also do something that I never did so I'm I'm very curious about this year you employed a chaplain for your employees and and that gives them an an opportunity to be a little bit more anonymous in an issues. Can you go to get explainable bit about that sure I had the illusion. Robbie three when I started to realize that they would come to me. I opened the door get anything you want talk about, and it was great just like my like my real realize I'm not going to or let me know what's going wrong. We went on leave I had to pitch off again. Music means we get to go to a break when we come back will hear what happened with Chris and his employees. Thereby, the way we still have some other horses to go if you want to get 866-34-TRUTH 87884 we got so much more finger proceeds coming up as well come back to your passion and uses it to build the kingdom. Today we are blessed to have with us Chris Patton with his website Christian faith.com and the author of 67 proven ways to integrate your faith into your business without being pushy and all that information again is it kingdom versus.com as well as Caleb Billingham who is our truth intern here at the Truth Network and Christian warrior with a blog which is again all his information is there@kingdomperson.com and since apparently I just, you know, my idea Caleb for this idea with the horse in the book of Revelation was which horse in the book of Revelation might place your ships compartment's name is comparable. You see, you may know that then Caleb kinda guess that there's this one horse and is what tail he was pale and the pale horse you could might say that you would put him in the sick bay. No right, you looked at me like you got admit the Starship Enterprise at a sick bay I mean that's where that you so yes, it could've been any of those things. But anyway, when we left her hair.

Chrissy was explaining again what happened when he thought his employees were given come to him with her issues but he employed this chaplain in his business had Chris when I realized that they were not. We went to look outside and found a chemical corporate Fund of America, which is based in Raleigh before it is it is and where he gently got stationed around organization For all the work with several different businesses cover their hours they work full-time.

That is their only job early, and we signed on with them. I think it was in early 06 and we had the same chaplain for the last eight years and he does a phenomenal job here 13 Friday most of the day birthday and you know from a business owner perspective, we want to make sure he is not interrupting or blowing people down that they are very thick that so the conversation looked like it goes along. Phil is after hours or be up for lunch or break that thing. But just a phenomenal program and it improves morale people that matter who you are. People go to work with baggage they can bring their their job from home. They just have issues and for somebody who's date eight training chaplain to speak with him about it and leave them one to solve their issues and help them talk from but also become to fate in Christ and I just don't know if you get a better some of you actually have that happen. Chris where yet employees come to say absolutely excellent.

I get a report every month fell 1 of the big deal about this Program is 100% confidential.

Like you said anonymous earlier, the employee can share with the chaplain and the only way he can break that confident. Hurt themselves or someone and that that is not happen, but the report every month showed how many phone calls made with employee because they called it phone is available 24 seven, 365 days a year of on call and he felt happy times they had a recommitment to their fate. We had is north of the hundred of those and we had eight individual employee not only who they are but did it come to him and that I want more than this coming how to do and he walked through the process so well in you know what's the when you think about that Chris just those eight people that are standing on that 14 acres that when we go to heaven are going to be there. As a result of that investment.

I don't know.

I mean it's just absolutely phenomenally wonderful to put a dollar euro know it's it's it's awesome. And then it you know this post with wife issue has been, you know, there it's hard to go to your boss for that, things so that chaplain makes all kinds of sense and and that's just one of again. Chris is 67 proven ways and and he would love to sign you up.

It's all freebie e-book, all that stuff if you just go to picking the proceeds. I commenting the Christian faith@work.com either one and you give them your email address in there and hook you up with everything right you can get the e-book you're going to get your emails every week and it's like the whole package. Writers also reported on the Robbie did and I didn't put them into an e-book. There's probably 40 or 50 different download that you can subscribe to separately but basically in history. Email but that in for the on that hate resource kit and their devotion. Probably what you nursing home that we used for the sales meeting. So when I do those devotion to put them on there that that lot resource library and you can download those as well. Absolutely awesome getting back to my internal here Caleb Billingham. As I mentioned, he's got this blog and so as I looked down here Caleb you got this one it says my story and it says the question for me and you to ponder today is this someone closely examine my life with a come away with the conclusion that I'm a person of faith that I take God and his word seriously. The Bible says they shall know us for our fruits. What does your fruit look like my fruit is this still growing. Because it's a it's a daily daily thing of walking with God and it's never-ending to till until Jesus returns the it's it's growing in the right direction with our it's a beautiful picture and I can't tell you Caleb that for me. One of my favorite book in the Bible is the song of songs and one of my favorite parts of that book is when she, the beloved, who is the bride of Christ.

He goes knocking on the door and she not ask for. Next, she takes off, and now it it starts to search and it will result in this phenomenal conversation between the beloved. The bride of Christ and the people that are in attendance. There and she goes on to describe all that you know why her beloved is the most fair assignment.

You know that's it. It's the fairest of 10,000, so to speak. That's where that comes from is there in that discussion in the song of Solomon, one of the neatest things of that is when you go from the fifth chapter of the six chapter of the song of Solomon vascular kind where he is in. She knows the whole time and you know it's one of those things you really like, you know I week and she says I know where he is. He is walking amongst the guard minis looking at the new buds and easily gathering lit another words he's down there enjoying his new fruit, and so as I think of your life there. Chris and Caleb's in mind that when when Christ is down here walking with us on earth he is love and those little buds that comes up he's he's love in the the blog by the way Caleb believes he's loving that your thought, wow, I can do this in a in a music I can operate the board here at Guilford Tech at a music event. This can happen at Calvary church and and they will probably be 30 to 40 people come to Christ through that event right, you probably will be in this lady that was at the homeless shelter when you when you're over there and others fruit did and so every time if if you know whatever it is that God gives your passion forth against your passion operate the soundboard show you how to make fruit happen from that if he gives your passion on how to operate your business. You can make fruit happen from that reckless and so it's it's it's one of those things that were just also blessed.

But I'm curious Chris come Monday morning. You can have a lot of employees can be talking about Paris and and I had that question. I'm Christian card as show. What do you have any light that you could shine for them. Sort of is our last words today question Robbie is a hard thing to look at night and will fight wisdom so I can't do that when I can tell you what I would tell them will tell them Monday. There are things that happen in this world that don't make sense.their evildoers and their there just things that do not make an fat that very reason is why I placed my faith in God where when I read what I see in my relationship with him does make estate the refugee caught all the words you want the refugee fatality renders link with everyone. It's crowded.

The bottom line is he is not changing you exactly what he was thousand years ago yesterday and I can count on faithful and that's the only reason I have hope so. I look at the world that kid growing up in this world and just want to rip left of my hair out back to God, that he is near to Jesus loves me like they would fit for who I am regardless of my work flaws and I corrected that and just product it. What happened in. What happened you know in in the city next to it or whatever that you got it under control and that I am unprotected.

The other thing that one of the favorite verses or passages from the Robbie Psalm 91, and I'm not dollars so I may not maybe valid out there.

The way I've read where it talks about the outcome. Actually out right left. I know all of the dial body dies in. I is or not, that's roughly what we got in, that's a great great weight in the show. God bless everybody be thinking about how we can be a light and work on Monday morning.

Thanks for listening so much to