Adam talks to David Hale, ESPN.com, about college football turnouts from this past weekend and the ACC in general.

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David was I but my producer is just euphoric over met rules firing with the Panthers but never met a problem solves what it apparently solved all the problems of Georgia Tech like not that I want to start there, but what's going on in Atlanta.

I don't remember just do I get it. I mean Onondaga Duke is to be perfectly honest, but that's a cool story for then they had a rough go and I didn't think Georgia Tech was without talent just working that was utterly lost confidence lies approach was philosophy was bad, but I think these last two wins of been particularly impressive offenses before the defense played really well. They figured out a way not just over the top again and again and again and again asked what happened last year. How sustainable is this. I don't know.

I'm sure within the locker room. There's a little bit of light. We were talking about the coach for a year now. Talk about that anymore. I think that makes some difference as it may, for the Panthers, but at the end of the day team that has been weird often simply not sure is great. You probably predicted before the season from Detective Pete to projected how all this came about right Duke Duke to before and one having played pretty well in all five games and I thought they played.

They represented themselves well I Kansas I met Nick on this one but as I assure Duke fans it still all right, if ever, all of your dreams are still right in front of you.

If you can beat North Carolina coming up on Saturday night at Wallace Wade. So let me ask you about North Carolina mean I don't know what your thoughts are but I think that the favorites the absolute odds-on favorites now maybe even money or better in the coastal division. How do you see well. So let's just look at her to write off Virginia Virginia Tech completely right are terrible. You look at Miami.

I don't know how this bad, but there's really good on either side of the ball right you look at Pixler that on offense.

Pretty decent defense you Georgia Tech. Their battle offense maybe okay on defense you do can you say I don't really know what we have and do Carolina you have the one genuinely good functional unit in the entire division which is their offense is so bad. Tyler Van Dyke who got pulled against middle Tennessee and has been just a train wreck in the Miami Dolphins as a whole is been a train wreck. Maybe they started getting things together because they had an off week and figured some things out or maybe Caroline was still trash.

I don't know what offense to score some points. So if you go with anybody at this point. I mean, it's the one unit you can kind of convince yourself it's worth getting.

The only thing is formed from a UNC perspective. Obviously, whatever.

If they beat Duke wrap because this July games to play, but it's pretty close to rap if they beat Duke, but state and wake state without Devon Leary that defense might be enough if their offense can run the football, I just I just don't know the some of the weirdest things happen when NC State kicks off a football game I've never seen the punter put the ball across the line of scrimmage before I even know the rule Highway six thinking about the 13 and they went backwards 20 yards or whatever it was more than 20 yards by almost €25 they would backwards Chris not to get a 53 yard field goal to cash in that field position and they punted from the +36. I don't know. I'd like.

I like watching football for the first time. Yeah, there are 50 different ways. Florida State should've won that game and none of them have what they were doing to pass. The game makes no sense to me is selling my touchdown one by two and in the interim, completed one pass either wide receiver so no explanation is logically, but I just NC State and the football gods are socially laughed at you for the better part of 30+ years. Many are due.

The completion was for a loss of five so yard so here's what I need to know about Jack Chambers. I'm not even a lie and say that I know anything about Jack Chambers but apparently the offense that they read a Charleston Southern was a passing offense so they can throw it right Dave Gordon said today that Jack Chambers had 400. I did not look that up. I'm going to go ahead and take it.

He basically set up as he was daring to run the ball. I don't know why she would do that with given okay. I just stole look. Syracuse is a offense that can move the football right not consistently done that this year and not the team is necessarily putting up 40 game but you have to complete the balls to beat this week.

I I was doing the best job completing his last couple of weeks. I find it hard to believe that suddenly the offense will come alive to the backup quarterback again.

Stranger things have happened.

It was all Devon Leary's doing or guys like Devon Carter, haven't yet, really, yet you aren't as good as we want them to be in some of maybe some of the other guys right now their only reliable receiver. It really is. They are Thomas. I will say that as soon as Trent panics can come back and play. I think their offense will get a little bit better because I felt like a deed by the end of last season, I thought Tenex was a huge part of the passing game.

Of course, maybe the real huge part of the passing game was Pam Knight and Ricky person in the backfield which is created so much in fear. I guess in defenses because those two guys were electric, but I think you have good running backs now maybe just not is not as good, but David Hale ESPN.com is joining us here on the Adam gold show just one more thing about NC State's defense. They stayed relatively healthy.

So unlike last year when it was this like every week. It was another guy, another guy another guy they stayed relatively healthy defense good enough to run the table from here on out. Yeah, I think definitively remember this a little bit. I know Clemson is the defense of the lake. I don't think it's a state far off from that lecture really helped build some debt for this deal. I'm played terrifically against Florida State.

We know how good those linebackers are the DVDs that's been the one area where because of a couple targeting calls and a few little injuries he remembered it had done well. I think this is certainly a unit that will keep them in every game now. Yesterday have put together an offense that can close the door on the games that your defense is allowing you to win and that to me is the big question their money a little bit at this point of what Clemson was last year which was a defense to get your chance to win every game in a 1 ton of them. Despite offense that was an absolute train wreck. So I've seen enough of good NC state offense to know they can be better.

Clemson was last year so I can still very easily be attend when team I don't know if you are getting any offense of production is the defense good enough to go out when you're game against a team like Wake Forest 3010, move the football as it turns out sooner keys becomes a problem because Syracuse looks like at least they know what they're doing Wake Forest. We know what their offense, their offense is awesome as is Carolina so mean. I don't know how much you can hold those offenses down you you're a guy who delves in the numbers. What do numbers say the offense of the advantages of a good offense over even a good defense. I just don't know if you can stop any good. Really good college offense if they have a good quarterback comes down to talk to the log of North Carolina week or two ago about Drake that he said look at, what we knew that what he has done so well this year is not make mistakes job of the Québec within our scheme is to distribute the football for the guide was open, which sounds much simpler than I think it actually is an Drake man is doing it terrifically decision is not what he has arm, right is a good physical QB decision-making has been terrific for him this year and that's critical you look at at Wake Forest and Wake Forest are whole offense was because Sam Hartman is a PhD in what they do and makes good decisions again and again and again and you don't mind a little bit of how Georgia Tech used to get after you with all job it just just keep doing the right thing over and over again until you made a mistake on a little bit of what I think a good defense could theoretically shut down one of these teams.

It requires them to not just talented and not just be able to get explosive play here and there. It requires 75 consecutive steps with doing the right and that's really the hard part and deepens the yeah is I guess is easy because Devon Leary is going to be out will we just assume at least one game but probably more wake for second best team in the late again. They were already like you look reasonable questions about wake last year when they want 11 questions about obviously defense which is not great questions about sort of the mentality of the team and how they would handle adversity. Questions about the fear talent differential when you're recruiting guys that are low, three stars, you're going to play against teams that have a bunch of blue-chip questions. This year I Clemson came back and easily could've won that game they matched up with Clemson in the trenches just fine.

Could've gone to New Rochelle after losing that once again they didn't. They came out and went after I think is very good at rescue team to the Army game last week with only certain a world beater this year that they could not stop last year to save their lives in harmony essentially had nothing in terms of offense against Wake Forest this this year so I look at them. I don't know what I say requires I am ready to go quite that far with this to me is not just like all Wake Forest is good because the teams around them are bad, some schedule of a rented, this is just a good football team playing simple. I don't have any qualms about saying that the funny thing about the way Clemson game. Just going back to Debbie formula David Hale go from ESPN.com set wake was running the ball effectively on that final drive on till I think it was Brian BC made a really big stop and push them like got them they can they call off schedule so we ended up being second in long so I guess I guess they felt like they had to throw it, but they were moving the ball on the ground at 567 yard chunks and it looked like they were going to get into field goal range to kick a game-winning field goal on Phil debate. They obviously got pushed that field goal range and then both teams settled for overtime away could've won that there was 1/3 down conversion that Clemson the DJ DJ thought played great in the overtime that you knows Clemson was behind the medicine convert 1/3 down that it was a touchdown and then that was that. But we could easily won that game you were talking about a completely different thing. I'll think wake is getting nearly if if you put and I keep using this example, if you put Wisconsin's uniforms on Wake Forest. We would be talking about a completely different team would like to Wake Forest coach.

I totally agree with this what our scheme is credibly undervalued.

I think the 15th of the country which is really good.

I would put things together. I think that the fun they're also fun to watch which if you, the Panthers called Dave Clawson. I like it started at a David Hale joint on twitter I prescience on the final talk is my pleasure. You got a David Hale ESPN.com click first of all Dave Clawson not an NFL guy. So what's to stop right there.

But I will say this about Dave Clawson when it comes but my feeling about college coaching is that it's not about X's and O's.

It really isn't about X's and knows better players are going to win because the disparity between the elite players and the rest is vast, but in the NFL where it is X's and O's Clawson might be a good guy to have on staff, but he is just such a wonderful football coach wakes good, which is absolutely flat out good. We got to have to your entertainment you are unbecoming night the big drag down like an anchor and golfer something that's fine, fine. It's good for him thing on the list tonight Monday night football. There might be an awkward moment and I could not wait for it, so try eight men could be called out tonight feeling awkward moment she's quarterback Patrick enters Monday night football match up against the Raiders with hundred and 62 touchdown passes are to pass eight men career passing touchdown mark of 165. Eight men would be B6 probable or Pro football Hall of Fame quarterback the homes path is if he does now know why awkward back in 2019. The athletic Kansas City scared already reached 36% of Aikman's passing touchdowns in just 8% of the games will then responded saying he should get back to him when he reaches 33% of his Super Bowl titles waves didn't take long for it is now today have to collect five years the what people don't hundred if you look to Troy Aikman's career statistics you would be very underwhelmed. It is alarming how few touchdowns Troy Aikman through. That's not the way the offense was built.

Now the offense was built around Emmitt Smith and to an extent, Darrell Johnson, but it is. It's amazing. Troy Aikman was never a prolific thrower now so you if you wanted to argue that Aikman based on his numbers does not belong in the Hall of Fame with if that's the way you want to do it, except that there are very few people who watch football that Arabic didn't think that Aikman was among the best quarterbacks in the game right that was just not the way there offense was designed is that it is an interesting mental exercise that is funny. Now I know tonight the night so I'm waiting for conversation actually let someone about good ideas when things spark you and you was a really good idea when I study that found you actually have your best ideas were yes when you're walking like is going for a walk which absolutely but the kicker you can't do you like mindless Evan activity because that works in the opposite direction. So an extreme example watching paint dry. They say something like that is boring to spark creativity sell every day past, like showering, doing laundry, going for a walk is just like the right amount. The perfect amount so this ties into my next topic. If you're needing to come up with some kind of creative idea. Or maybe Shaffer some early Christmas present I never said take a shower perfect shop in the shower now you can think about what to get people the perfect gift. I'm a really good gift giver. Are you okay I take pride in my giftgiving have to abandon a very bad although no actually, here's my problem is that something bad had I have good ideas and then I wait too long and then I forgot my good ideas when the pressures on that is my problem here had the solution for you. I had a Christmas closet throughout the year.

If I find a present that's perfect for someone to keep it in the closet because I've also forgotten where I put it in.

Then I by July live no idea where the true story just very, what if what I did. Not my version of Christmas shopping Christmas shopping.

I'll usually put stuff I'm trusting the fact that my wife or child not listening right now in my closet walking closet and there are little nooks and crannies and so I actually found two things I did not get last year that I did not get that I thought I had to give those out this year is to smile when they say all you think about that time that they'll start to go but be careful with this comes as a PSA so for a lot of shopping and retail guilty, and sometimes upping the price of something to make it look like it's on sale tomorrow and their example is like a vacuum cleaner right typically 250 bucks they will actually make it 300. That way when they strike through it, but it's on sale for 250 what it is. Be careful. I'm sure they're not the only one O absolutely not hundred percent not by yes that is tomorrow in case you're a shopper and you want to think about something I had to look at this ranking all 32 NHL teams for the 2223 season from least to most watchable because the workings was on this when you think they are the hurricanes in terms of least to most watchable, most watchable is going to be Colorado then Toronto.

I'll put Carolina third, you are absolutely right about number one it's Colorado Avalanche percent, the Colorado Avalanche number one they lightning number two watchable then Toronto is number three and they had the Oilers for an Rangers Rangers though as I could see because McDavid is just so absolutely he's crazy good to who else was ahead of Carolina Florida floor fund for three but Rangers nonurban for the watch and ring exactly so we'll see if that changes every time is the atom gold show