Can NC State football exploit Clemson's defense?

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Are you just trolling me at this point know we've we've seen the production schedule shift around you and so basically now I go either straight from spinning this joyous time together with you every single Wednesday into a CBSSports HQ preview of the SEC on CBS weight or because of hurricane Ian is currently creating tornado warnings rabbit Lauderdale area. We did need to tape before God are great conversations I just got done breaking down every single aspect of the SEC on CBS game of the week between Alabama and Arkansas but now that I understand that, based on your leading you would like the Clemson Tigers. What we are to do that. The imbibing is the biggest game at state has the Clintons played the games routinely, especially over the last eight or nine years. NC state is not an a friend of mine did point out that state did have a game at wake last year where the Atlantic division was on the line and wake ended up winning that game.

Although there were still some games to be played after that glitches dive right in. Mrs. this is mean the biggest opportunity for Dave Doran ever at NC State. Maybe Everett but maybe ever is the head coach what happens in northern Illinois about not knocking it, but it different level of tell me if you give me your thoughts on state at Clemson on national TV in prime time that it stinks that it's going to be a rainsoaked game] yelling soformal, more it stinks frenzy state more, it stinks for NC state more because Clemson has a quarterback who is the size of a linebacker and that if it comes down to who's going to be able to be the bigger body running with the football. I think that Clemson's got a much better runner of a quarterback. I think Clemson's got a deeper running back room and while NC State is great at the line of scrimmage, especially defensively, especially on the interior of that defensive line if it comes down to DJ to younger Malays, big body against safety or an outside linebacker DJs going to win that battle. If this is so if this is the same kind of slot fest where you're just going to waters can be flying everywhere you can be running the ball a lot. Then I think that that favors the Clemson Tigers and I almost what it is like does it count as NC state stuff that the biggest game of the modern era is being played under these ridiculous conditions and that if we did have a crisp early in October 1.

No early October night in death Valley, where maybe you could get those butts tight with a couple of quick touchdowns and and maybe the defense forces of turnover to you could get that negative home field disadvantages: but I think that you with the storm in place with the rain that they're calling for it is is going to turn down is going to turn into a game that unfortunately for NC state.

I think Clemson is very prepared to play with a lot of running the football and actually limiting DJ to younger Malays ability to sling the ball through the year. Here's the thing about it. Having watched Clemson now for the last couple weeks. I actually think their passing offense is ahead of their running offense and I don't think DJ you is that good of a runner is so big he is. He is enormous but is smaller than he read many used to be so I've I got and I don't know what that means but my biggest fear is that NC State couldn't get the yard they needed at East Carolina yet. Week one, but it it's just good to be that much more difficult to do that against him against Clemson. Male Wake Forest had a lot of success late.

I know there were some negative plays that hurt them, but they a lot of success late running Ellison inside, although states offense is obviously very different yeah and there's a doubt our friend Conor O'Neill did a good job of breaking this down in his own review of the game, but it was a the Wake Forest offense does a lot of take with the defense gives you Clemson because of the injury issues and the secondary was not prepared to go man-to-man against Wake Forest wide receivers, a stunning stunning turn of circumstances that if you go back 20 years ago and say hey guess what Wake Forest wide receivers are winning one-on-one battles against Clemson's defense of back Clemson can't stop it. It speaks to what they've done in terms of the development at that position within this offense, but that was what happened is Clemson said okay we can't guard you one-on-one organ have to play zone organ have to go behind this thing that meant that there were less bodies in the box and wake forest because the offense operates in a way that takes with the defense gives you says okay now are going to run it and you are right, they did have some success for more success than we would've ever expected.

Based on our analysis of the game going into it, but it wasn't enough success and on the full yards per play basis throughout that second half. I don't think the entire body of work builds out such that it was anywhere as productive as Sam Hartman throwing the ball into those one-on-one match ups were whether was Jamaal Banks weathers Donovan green weather was a T Perry wake was winning those matchups and even getting the pass interference calls to keep drives alive. I mean it's it was an interesting spot to circle back to your comment about the passing game because what has happened is that Bo Collins has really emerged now fully healthy as the best outside target that DJ will younger Malays been missing Joseph Nagata is still a physical freak, but the secret sauce is the tight end Davis Allen and keeping him from being able to catch 50-50 balls in third-down and red zone situations is going to be a problem. He ain't Brock Bowers, the Georgia Titans includes absolutely phenomenal moment is that same style of tight end where I just think that the physical size and the athleticism provide such an opportunity for DJ doesn't even have to be perfectly accurate because of how Allen's going to be able to go up and get the ball and/or prevented defensive back from getting armor to use last week as a reference point for this week. It looked to me like an I'm not sure that I'm giving either Notre Dame enough credit or to my I don't hundred been it looked to me like North Carolina is ill-equipped to play in those types of football games like I just got big boy football that when it's normal football when you're playing normal teams in the ACC. North Carolina is better and more dangerous like it doesn't show up negatively. When you play a good team like When you play a Georgia state met with Carolyn Scott better players but when Notre Dame showed up.

They their Carolinas defensive line looks like the same size as Notre Dame running back. What are the chances that state has a similar problem at Clemson.

I don't I don't think that'll be the case because of NC State's performance in a win against Clemson last season. I think that in terms of your confidence. There's so much there's so many veterans on this NC state roster is so much continuity from last year's staff. I think that that when should eliminate that kind of situation and that kind of impact here. Get cancer go back to something on the North Carolina Notre Dame doesn't sort of hilarious to me again was so much more lopsided than the final score way more Notre Dame rushed North Carolina and I finally found something that is able to exhibit that re-familiar with success rate to nerdy humanity fund goes nearly as you like you were an area we were to sportcoat trying to log success rate takes all of football and it boils it down to the simple idea that every single down is going to be either a success or a failure right and that on first down. Success is getting 5 yards or more on second down, success is getting 4 yards or more on third-down successes getting a first down.

The defense, of course, being stopping your opponent from being successful. Then there is a a formula that takes a game and says what is the net success rate between these two teams in her home about to be frightened here so the success rate for Notre Dame in its win over North Carolina was only slightly less dominant then NC states win over UConn in slightly more dominant than Alabama's win over Vanderbilt so let me reiterate this in plain Lehman speak if you look at every single down individually and stacked them up on top of each other success that Notre Dame had against North Carolina was on par with NC State thumping Yukon and Alabama thumping Vanderbilt. They did not look like they played in the same division. That's what I closed last touchdowns are just window dressing to make everybody feel better about that was and that was my take away from the game and it was disappointing because when Matt Brown came in to the press conference and talked about well Notre Dame got all these top 10 classes not really last couple yes the ones previous know and actually the recruiting for North Carolina Notre Dame over the last four recruiting classes pretty close, in fact, North Carolina had a better recruiting class I just used 24 to 24 seven sports four from Iraq who cares mean the rankings are a little bit different but they're basically all the same, but the recruiting isn't the problem.

I don't think unless it Willis were talking about recruiting put certain physician groups Carolina hasn't done well, which is probably the case. To me it's about developing Carolina just hasn't gotten the most out of their best players except guys like quarterback and wide receiver running back yet. If if Drake may goes through his North Carolina career and the Tar Heels don't make a run at an ACC championship. It is a colossal failure by everyone around him because the opportunity to make a run at a championship in a program that doesn't compete for championships regularly happens when you have a generational talented quarterback that is how Clemson leveled up twice with the Sean Watson and Trevor Lawrence, and I'm not even say national championship. I'm saying an ACC championship something that North Carolina has not had around in a long time and I think that Drake may is that kind of talent when you have that kind of town in place and you know it early than it is so important to find ways to improve everything else on the field on the side line up in the booth babe, even in the stands. I don't know maybe is the game day management. I had somebody text is like the Sunni flutes in the band. That's how when their feelings are North Carolina fans are thinking every aspect of the game day experience. There was so much excitement going into that game you can than coming off of a biweekly to just get to to just get thoroughly pushed around on a down by down basis. Massively disappointing and look if if it wasn't Virginia Tech. I would be very worried about the lingering impacts of this game, but Virginia Tech is such a such a unique part of the ACC football experience.

It's a tire fire. We all love you all understand that all right will get a prediction from you if you will, on state Clemson we come back plus a minute ask you this question. Should Patterson are the best for me the best five teams in the ACC. All of the same division next senior producer Dennis Cox on the ones and twos today lead to the Victoria is on assignment, probably a baby shower since that keeps the Panthers win hopes alive apparently. Hopefully that will work out. She will be back tomorrow right the door back tomorrow. That is correct. All right, let's get back to to Patterson my friend wearing a sportcoat still wearing a sportcoat he must have to go back on TV.

If you're watching on TV at W RAL sports plus then you say midship budget cleans up well all right let's let's talk about first. Give me a prediction Clemson the hosting NC State in a monsoon in the admitted EM, which by the way, I have a I take umbrage at the fact were still calling this category for 55 miles an hour wind now and it's hundred 57 miles an hour it's cat five cable color 4+ a photo of a leg to this like iPhones or like a grade like an 89 minutes abates a good be said to budge better, but the B+ a at Maryland they have a pluses with what he was asking. I know somebody that got an A+. I know I don't believe we did. Yeah, I was always like to chuckle at the four hour 4.3 would be able to really do stuff that GPA.

I'd I didn't have the opportunity not found. I found the class is wink wink or you could get finished with about a 9798 average, but they only counted for for me as I was trying to stay eligible as best I could. I give me Clemson 27 NC State, 17 or 20. I think Clemson ends up covering the number I think that it's more than the over under total of 40+ when does suppress scoring. Anybody who's a similar cover three podcast knows I level wonder as much as anybody but rain actually contributes to overs and the fact that this thing is sitting around 40 is the ridiculous Russell going to slip the defender slip.

It's hard running the ball down and also fumbled touchdowns because you can't hold onto it so. We we have data on now rain impact scoring when we have data on that certain mile-per-hour wind where like it really means white on a note explaining it.

Okay, so if you get above 10 miles an hour it starts to be more favorable if it's above 1313 to 17 is really the sweet spot and if it's crosswinds through the stadium you need to find a direction over the stadium as well. That's going to impact your field-goal kicking ass can impact your passing Manhattan, Kansas, Ames, Iowa, Tulsa, Oklahoma those of the spots were you really start to find the good crosswinds.

But yes, wins especially a sunny, windy day is going to help your unders rain. Everybody thinks because it's harder to throw the ball is going to help your unders but actually because of the inability to hold onto the ball a difficult it is to tackle and maintain your footing that actually ends up helping overs, though it is not as much of an advantage as the wind aided under a.k.a. the wonder yeah I think I think Clemson wins II think that it has nothing to do with whether NC state is ready for big boy and COBOL. I think that this is a this is a Tigers team that going up against Wake Forest found a major flaw in its defensive backfield and both the wide receivers of NC State. If this is being played on a sunny day, but then also the conditions which are gonna make it harder to push the ball down the field will limit NC State's ability to take advantage of that Clemson defensive weakness. I'm in a circle back to Clemson at the end of this conversation about where they are in the national picture but the other question I asked going to break. Is it possible because we have Wake Forest playing at Florida State. By the way, both ranked teams whether or not Florida State should be ranked or not knotting for this conversation.

I shared with whether they should not mean there's probably 40 teams that local look pretty similar. Maybe not.

40 but you know when you get past, say 12 is not a whole lot of difference between a lot of these teams is preposterous that Pitt's rank means our state's right to, but like fiction be right. I have no problem with with not right okay so is it possible that the best for maybe five ACC teams are on the Atlantic division. I think that it is that there's no possible about it. It's an is not improbable. It is okay for best teams in the conference or Clemson NC state Wake Forest and Florida State and that to me distance is leaves the door open for you to put Syracuse into that conversation, I will pray the underlying metrics suggest that Syracuse, while foreknow, is probably barreling towards a six and 67 if I finish look good on Dino Baber forget the four winds.

No one can ask you to give those back. You are hopefully going to be able to get this thing to a bowl game and be able to deliver on that for the first time since 2018. But it is.

It is noticeable you and Pitt has injury issues of the quarterback position, which is limited where they stand. In this conversation but Miami is a mess right now North Carolina has its issues. Virginia and Virginia Tech are bad to the point where Duke is favored right now against Virginia and I feel like that's what my most competent pics of the week is taking the blue Devils to cover the short number against the wall, who's this Saturday. I look this is bad. That was it about this out last weekend.

You know the ACC coastal division's acumen of record was a guy I know. But it has to be a smaller number on the left is one in six all good and the one was Pitt beating FCS Rhode Island Rhode Island noted the use of 45 to 24 somewhere around 90 blitzing. My point is, it is so perfect that the ACC Atlantic division fans for years clamored about how unfair it was and then we saw a little bit of a shift back where it was a little bit evened out little bit more balanced that here in this final year of division play is everything that they've complained about because not just the two best not just the three best, but the four best teams in the Atlantic Coast conference can only share one spot in the ACC championship game. Give me ACC Atlantic winter -425 over whoever comes out of the coastal in the ACC chair future game in early December. I was on the money line, not -425.7 million sure that our attitude to bad is the beer from cover three podcast series CBSSports.com. This is my at my argument when the announcement came that we no longer needed divisions. It was the pack 12 scrapped it. Why don't we scrap it now so we can have a better ACC championship game. I guess we were hoping that Miami would be real. Obviously Miami is not and I don't know.

I don't know who's been on who would you make the favorite on the 20 on the coastal division side right now I I think I would make it North Carolina. In spite of what we saw again by any like Pitt doesn't pits on its third string quarterback, North Carolina got a future first-round draft at front by the way, if I was Miami quarterback Tyler van Dyck who just got benched against middle Tennessee. I'd be you can enter your name officially in the transfer portal right now, but boy, I'm sure you could send some DVMs on Instagram to be able try to figure out other places that you could go that's like I don't know. I don't know where this goes for Miami because the offense is had, and hiring Josh Gaddis was supposed to be this big coup taking them away from Michigan but all of the worst of fears for a Miami fan about Memorial crystal balls impact on the offense that man is a he coaches like a defensive coordinator which is so frustrating when all my enemies had his own defensive coordinators they dubbing Mark Richt wasn't right, but this mean this this is like bad nightmares of Randy Shannon already. This is not not a good situation for me ask you this question quickly about Mario crucible because all I heard for however long he was in Oregon was that he was being lucky is a good coach and all that but Mario crystal ball over his managed to get the least out of whatever he had on the field in terms of his offense.

So why would beasts we we why would we be surprised or anybody be surprised that Miami's offenses substandard coming. If it's the Justin Herbert theory right account. How does that person barely move the needle even at a place like Oregon at the quarterback position and he gets to the NFL and like oh wow Mario Criswell is an offense of line coach. He was in offense of coordinator who was promoted to replace Willie Taggart would cut it up when we target left to go to Florida State right but that he coaches like a defense of coordinator and they don't have the personnel to be able to go out there and win games 17 to 10 this speed at the wide receiver position and the skill positions in general just isn't there. Out of the recruits really well and he's trying to build a program on toughness, but they went down 2043 to middle Tennessee and they couldn't run the ball against middle Tennessee. I made the joke and you called me out on it that North Carolina had NFL quarterback and if so quarterback in a conference USA defense will conference USA defense just limited Miami to 1.6 yards per carry. So maybe North Carolina should be the favorite is a conference USA defense can go get you a win in hard rock Sadie on the other thing is that my feeling about North Carolina is that when it doesn't look like there is a physical mismatch verified right, which means that pits the only real threat and and they don't have an offense so I guess Notre Dame did neither. Maybe Pennell scored good rollup 570 yards of total offense against the fullback to the backfield. A late development Tommy Reese is like from know that you doesn't have that many carries on his career, but I don't think you'll fumble at least I think most of these defenders will bounce off of them. That's what the tape says to kill us.

It was it was remarkable all right real quick about Clemson them elected Patterson go the question was posed this morning on another network that could Clemson make the playoff with the loss and a it's way too early to have that conversation because we don't have enough context. They play on the right side of the bracket. If you will, to where if they were lose to state finish 71 in league finish. We still managed to win the ACC championship by winning up to winning a tiebreaker. They have the win over Wake Forest at the finish, 71, whatever it still there for them but how do we know the answer to that question, but is in the answer is the answer.

It kind of depends on what every everybody what everybody else does. And there Clemson so they're going to get the benefit of the doubt. I will say that I am less confident in Clemson, making it as a one loss team was walking into the season and that is because the two huge games in November when everybody is talking playoff when the playoff selection committee is meeting those games are at Notre Dame in South Bend and against Miami. Those wins are now worthless. Those could have been wins that could have righted the ship so to speak, proved that this is a team that is playoff worthy. And I think that in terms of the college football playoff conversation proving that you're a national championship contender beating Notre Dame even if Notre Dame continues to roll off someone's year. I think that at this point beating Notre Dame and beating Miami. Those games carries so much less weight that now Clemson needs to have a zero in the loss column to give itself the best chance of making the college football player.

We agree that it's Alabama Ohio State in Georgia. Whatever the record whatever the order those of three best. I think it's Ohio State and Alabama above Georgia but it doesn't matter regardless who is the fourth best team Michigan. I know they just got iListen Turks gave him a wake-up call, but that's that. That was the When you play a soft nonconference schedule right. Amy comes in a little bit more battle tested their they were ready to rock 'n' roll. I thought that Mike Locksley did a great job of getting that team ready for that game and I think that Michigan probably didn't take it seriously enough. But Michigan's better than everybody else, except for maybe Penn State. But that games in Ann Arbor acted out Penn State winning in Ann Arbor done really happen so no problem at Iowa this week is going to score 3 points in that game they gave three Michigan is ruthlessly efficient. Okay good. I think they will be 11 and no heading into the Ohio State game and if that game is close. It was then I can win.

But if the game is enclosed and they will be a one loss team that is look the part, and been in the top five all season and I think that in all I think the SEC Big Ten showdown in the college football playoff is what I project is the most likely outcome with Alabama and Georgia and Ohio State and Michigan, and though do whatever they can to talk themselves into not having semifinals that are just rematches of games that have happened to him the end of the year, but that's what will have going into the CFP that will be the of the orchestrated final for will have crossover matchups for right probably should have two Patterson are the best no dress code next week. I listened I look will see what the calendar says will soothe the goddess that sounds good they'll be well time in two Patterson Ironman go through rose on the within his cocci producing on the ones and twos today because I listen to. Can I kick it often enough it actually threw me when Lou Reed started saying legitimately thoroughly. I likely what this this is actually the song nice on it's not just the sample, not not just the sample, what a great tract of both both. Dreams are like so pleased that Shelley is one of violence have a little fun. Shelley let's do make a little regular bread yesterday. I didn't think pilots that let's ignore.

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