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ACC Football Schedule Changes Benefit All Schools

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June 29, 2022 2:13 pm

ACC Football Schedule Changes Benefit All Schools

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June 29, 2022 2:13 pm

Adam Gold says the ACC football scheduling format starting in 2023 will benefit all schools, including NC State Football not having to worry about being in a division with Clemson football every year. Adam shares his idea on how ACC basketball should approach their scheduling with a similar format.

Plus, Daniel Wallach, sports legal analyst, joined the show to discuss Washington Commanders owner Daniel Snyder avoiding Capitol Hill, and what NFL Commissioner Roger Goodell can do to potentially remove Snyder.

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Daniel Wallick is going to join us today for the legal the NFL's got to legal issues in its way.

You've got stuff going on with Daniel Snyder who is avoiding the subpoena and I agree with and frankly there's no reason for him to go on Capitol Hill. There's really no reason for the NFL to be on Capitol Hill. There just using the NFL as a high profile no workplace so they're doing and its grandstanding on everybody's part and like half the people they are not taking it seriously and that's a problem just wasting everybody's time will talk to Daniel Wallick about that will talk Daniel Wallick about DeShawn Watson, whose hearing continues today in the NFL seems to be ratcheting down its expectation for a suspension which is good for Cleveland and maybe not good for the NFL in their image but we will will discuss those, then right now. Let's break it to get to Brooks Kappa here in couple minutes to get to some other things. First, it was actually legit news being made yesterday by the PGA Tour that were going to get to, but over keeping little bit more local to start the North Carolina state legislature cannot figure out how to allow citizens the right to wager on sports but they at least did right recognize the importance of the Atlantic Coast conference.

Although they didn't actually call it the Atlantic Coast conference and will explain that the second interesting budget proposal that is now being kicked around the and CGA and I believe they've agreed on it and it's the last to go to the governor Roy Cooper for approval of blah blah blah.

But any budget proposal.

There is a $15 million line item earmarked towards keeping ACC headquarters in North Carolina that the assumption is there going to leave Greensboro and go to Charlotte or Charlotte is one of the two cities Orlando being the other. So this is North Carolina's incentive to the Atlantic Coast conference to stay here home.

If you will, but here's how it it's kind of talked about in the bill. They don't call it the ACC they call it a qualifying collegiate sports employer as an entity with four charter members that are institutions of higher education in the state.

I wonder what you talking about the big South that is so great, that is so great, the USA South athletic conference Division III right so look I made my feelings on this particular issue very plain. I cannot think of anything less relevant than where HQ is located. I just I can't. I nothing happens there.

They don't play games. There is no games being played in the lobby. There are no matches there are no press conferences. There they don't do anything there.

They send out emails there right, whatever like there are there are employees there but they don't do anything so I don't understand why it matters where your headquarters are my opinion on this is they hold championships in Charlotte.

So you had to do a logistical stuff to get everything set and organize right they do ACC media football were to be there before we in Charlotte will to me to be doing all of your stuff in Charlotte just be based in Charlotte is instructive exactly so to me it would just logistically, that would just make sure that would be fun but where HQ is is immaterial to anything else. In fact, I made the suggestion, and I think it would be funny. I would just get the most shirked out RV you could find. I would get like a Madden cruiser on steroids. And that's the conference office and Jim Phillips can just drive to get to drive to Blue Ridge Pkwy. He would drive himself. That would also be great. That makes them good ACC network right Jim Phillips is famous for carrying a backpack right so you get a just an incredibly tricked out SUV Jim Phillips can just be driven around the ACC footprint and today headquarters is Clemson tomorrow headquarters is Atlanta which is limiting the SU in the RV and that's you get a PO Box. We don't need anything else. Nothing happens that headquarters is purely symbolic, but I do understand the symbolism of where Homans right. I understand the symbolism of where home is.

It just doesn't matter to the league. It just doesn't matter where Homans with that said, I will throw this at this is an add-on in the bill that at least four additional tournaments and I believe it's ACC men's basketball women's basketball, baseball have to be held in North Carolina to get this one time, $15 million payout so it's essentially what the what the state ledges doing is they're trying to buy the ACC staying home. I mean if you want to have your headquarters in Orlando being hacked. If you have the Walt Disney World Disney owns ESPN the ACC is already in bed with ESPN so you could just I know if I have been to Disney World and 30 years somebody would actually get about 30 years so is there is is there still a Skyway to tomorrowland.

Many could have a Skyway to ACC land. I actually one of my favorite rides of all time is think that what Mr. toad's wild ride that's gone okay. I think that I think that's got or that met the teacup but to God just made you sick all the time.

I think that's also I would have no idea what's there.

Epcot center. The future of college sports with the NIL displays all the if you want to have your headquarters therefore but they state legislator and legislature legislature in North Carolina is trying to buy the ACC staying home and I get it I get so here is my because a lot of people think it's tied to where the tournament is the basketball tournament right ACC football is good to be in Charlotte for the dirt for this foreseeable future.

I can see an occasional year where they go to Florida I and maybe occasional but Charlotte's a good spot for it is because we don't know the teams are going to be in it it's centrally located. It's the most central location for the league you got Miami all late southern tip Boston College adored Syracuse of the northern tip or pit work will Notre Dame eventually but not… That Notre Dame's involved in it now so right now Charlotte's kind of the midpoint is the closest Clemson right it comes out as it was the consummate I said yesterday that I was impressed by the overwhelming number of NC State fans that embraced states annual football game with Clemson as opposed to looking at it. Hey, why don't we have to play Clemson every year when UNC only has to play Clemson no. Two times out of every four right. Why do we have to play them every year I get I totally understand if that would be your mindset, but I appreciate the fact that State fans like this. What does when enough of otherwise you'll eventually be mad at although maybe they're just setting themselves up to have something over there like an argument and argument winter. While we have a much tougher schedule than you because you get to play while both teams typically do but play Virginian probably will just be okay right UVA in historically speaking, is basically just okay anyway, that was a that was in the side but some people think that the basketball tournaments. Location is tied to where headquarters it's and I would argue that why would you think that I just ACC men's basketball tournament should go to like destination cities.

But here's what I would do what I've said this before, I think love the ACC tournaments go to Greensboro and March. So in 20 March 2023 for the 70th ACC men's basketball tournament. It will be in Greensboro I would treat Greensboro like the RNA treats St. Andrews or the USGA treats Pebble Beach is probably closer to Pebble Beach or Pinehurst in the future. In that yeah give it to be back there on a rotating basis. Every X amount of years. So next year or this upcoming March were in Greensboro and then the following year were in DC 24 and I would go DC again. 25 go to Charlotte 26, 27, I'd essentially be using Charlotte and Washington DC as air quotes permanent host of the ACC tournament primary house. Yes. Primary yeah I think he usually has a theater say this for how out of the last 6 to 7 years. What what what was the last time it was up there with Carolina beating Virginia in the title game. It DC is the best place for you are not going to convince me otherwise I would never go to Brooklyn again ever. Brooklyn is a waste of time. It's too expensive it's Brooklyn. It's not Madison Square Garden. If you can't go to MSG. Don't even bother with New York City that was there breaking this your face eternal ethics. Yeah, it's just it's believe it or not it's inconvenient yeah Brooklyn and you would think that with New York City everything is convenient. MSG is convenient. Brooklyn is not so, I would scrap Brooklyn for the duration. DC is the best spot.

I think Charlotte's the next best spot and then if you wanted to bring wanted to bring it to Atlanta once in a while fine. Or if you want to look, I joined in Tampa you want to go down to bring it to the state of Florida go to Tampa or Miami once. That's okay if you wanted to hit Austin once that's fine too. Hello if if notable Notre Dame simile for basketball Chicago once goof off right, but also negative Big East or Big Ten territory, but ultimately I just keep it in DC and Charlotte and then use Greensboro for like special days so I have the 75th 75th anniversary of the ACC tournament should be and then you know maybe I come back for 80 or 85 or doing on an even number year come back and 2035 or something like that right but I would Greensboro can't be the permanent place for it can't be the most frequent place for because Greensboro doesn't offer enough for people. It just doesn't quite frankly, Winston-Salem offers more for people that Greensboro does and I guess it's clear close enough to Winston-Salem. But you have to get the car right so here's it's no longer about basketball tournament stopped being about basketball when we ended up with 15 teams. It just it just can't be, it's about entertaining business clients. That's what the ACC tournament has become is become a corporate event and all the schools are trying to get business from whomever and they need to entertain them, and you're not going to entertain them with only basketball. Basketball is the additive everything else you want restaurant you want recreation you want things to do and DC offers more things to do offers more things to do hotel restaurants, nightlife, things like that so that's what that's what I would do. We'll talk more about that little bit later. Aunt said Mr. Basey's email. I really have much to say that there's other other than it was announced today around at the end of the show, but Packer and Durham will stop on Friday and will be the last Packer and Durham both Mark Packer and Western both friends of this program will stay with the ACC with ACC network. Packer will be repurposed somewhere else. Durham will expand his play-by-play schedule, but Packer and Durham, which was the first daily show on the ACC to work. Had a run a bow over thousand programs.

But it is it will cease to operate as of Friday. Friday will be less show so that's that's kind of upsetting. I have more ACC things to point out I bring it, bring it back to something else does this kind of just popped in my head right before we started the show so yesterday the ACC announced a 355 scheduling format football three permanent partners. Some people are mad whatever and then a split of the 10 remaining football ACC members 51 year and then the next year and then five the third year and the fourth year you so you would play every body at least once every three years never go more than three years without you never go more than two years without playing somebody like I know the ACC basically just set the schedule for the next four seasons at the right want to figure revisit those primary members after four years I believe that's because they they didn't necessarily calm permanent. They just called him primary. Okay that's that's fine. I think there is a way they can if they would feel like they can move around. They can that's okay that you should always leave yourself flexibility to do everything, but it it occurred to me that in basketball. We already don't have divisions which is good right we don't need division to basketball. But here's where you can really lean on tradition. They don't have a schedule plan going forward in hoops. Maybe they feel like they don't need to change it. I disagree that always thought this because here's where you can lean more on tradition for permanent partners. You can create for.

For instance, there's no reason why weight doesn't play Carolina twice every year and stay twice every year basketball although they do play state twice a year basketball right Duke plays wake twice and Carolina twice daily play state.

Once, although they will play twice this year just worked out that way but but that's where you can rely on tradition to make your schedule. If were playing 20 conference basketball games and we are which it whatever I'm not in favor that but that's fine doesn't really matter. I don't think you play so many games that it really doesn't matter how they schedule within the league. It's already not fair. So why try to make it fair. So here's what I would do with ACC scheduling will talk to Chip Patterson about this a little bit later on I would make the best television schedule I could. I mean seriously going into each season we mean maybe I don't. But there are people who do know the best teams are to be right so let's just say that we think going into this year that Carolina Duke and to randomly pick schools here, Syracuse, Notre Dame, Louisville.

We think these are going to be the best five teams I would make sure that they played each other twice don't care if it unfairly waits a schedule towards one school over another or not it makes it one team schedule harder than somebody else's schedule. If you're good, you're going to get in the tournament. It doesn't matter that we can look at magistrate the schedule and all the quad would bed but all of that stuff that we spew at the end we can do that because there's safety in numbers of a basketball schedule. You really can't do that in football because I mean, unless we have a 32 team football tournament if you lose twice your pre-much done. If they expand, even if they expand to 16 which I don't think they will. But even if they did, you can get away with two losses. But you probably not get in the way with three so you have to be careful and I schedule a basketball teams get it with double-digit losses all the time Carolina lost lose 10 times think so, but I wanted to know, that was their final records of the only lost nine I think about during the regular season.

Teams get it with double-digit losses routinely. It's not a big deal so I would not be concerned at all about being fair and equitable in the basketball schedule I would make the best TV schedule I could I would let the best teams play against each other and the added benefit to this is that you can have the middle tier of teams and even the lower tier of teams play the bottom more and there will be teams with bad records. There are always teams with bad records in every league, but maybe you elevate other record. So if a team again.

Just using this as an example, if NC State is probably a middle tier team and you allow them to play more teams in the bottom there obviously going to play teams at the top when a couple of those, or one of those and elevate your profile maybe were talking about is this benefiting teams if if the whole goal is to get more teams in the tournament. Maybe this is the better way to do it I would. I would not have any formula for basketball. I would have some pertinent some primary partners that you want to play for traditional reasons, reasons, and then I would make the best schedule I could for television and then try to benefit the bottom of the league only makes sense to me only makes sense studio in my man Coach Pete through the capital financial advisory group were talking retirement coach. I'm a simple guy but I like colors. Tell me how I can colorcode money and get ready for retirement. I like colors to lecturers like graphs I don't like just buzzwords what we try to do is we try to break down all those words on your statement.

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I hope it's green for you 800-661-7383 or text Adam to 21000B through the NFL is in court times to do so to speakers really neither of these situations are about courts, but they are about the law did Daniel Wallick from Wallick legal at Wallick legal on twitter, but more importantly the conduct detrimental podcast. If you are interested in sports and law and the convergence of the two.

You must stop here as often as possible. I do it helps me out along the way, let's talk about Daniel Snyder, the owner of the Washington commandos. I will never use the real name now. He's never going to testify. I believe on Capitol Hill. But how can he legally avoid the subpoena to file a lawsuit and by the way, thank you for all the nice words about conduct detrimental. We got a week to be held in contempt of Congress. The moment he served with a subpoena serving her memories, and Connie Francis and his lawyers on urgent commandos related business and you can't serve somebody overseas very easily at all it will take months And so we can really stay out abound and avoid having to worry about. This is to come back because it's a public relations issue is seeing as of the eating subpoena grounds for the league to do something even more seriously, because then he's looking like you skirting the edges of the laws he has already done that. So the next the next battleground will be the lawsuit challenging the subpoena I mean is not the first congressional witness whose try to use the courts to avoid testifying before Congress. Remember we we had a parade of witnesses or would-be witnesses in the Donald Trump impeachment proceedings that rather than comply with the subpoena they filed lawsuits asserting what I thought were specious grounds of executive privilege. Maybe some of them had good grounds but the vast majority of them had very tenuous basis to assert the presidential executive privilege but they sought to avail themselves of the court ruling to clarify the status. Dance night is to do the exact same thing and the moment you served with a subpoena to start the clock ticking on the filing of a federal court lawsuit, the District of Columbia federal court system will argue that Congress doesn't have the jurisdiction to investigate him and singled him out for punishment that belongs to prosecutors that belongs to the court system.

The job Congress is to simply pass laws in Mexico to be the bulkhead of his legal argument when he files a lawsuit in a lawsuit, assert the attorney-client privilege to cover vast majority of materials that are to be wrapped up in the Beth Wilkinson investigation. So I think his legal strategy is pretty easy to telegraph and were just waiting for the other shoe to drop, which is the service of the subpoena and ever that happen. He's on a boat somewhere in the in the French Riviera is not an event is good happen anytime soon.

Personally I think the whole idea of a congressional hearing, the House oversight committee.

This is a bad idea to meet grandstanding to even have this if you're really interested in workplace, you know, conduct yes I understand the commandos are a high profile company with a long history of workplace misconduct, but it seems to me that there's just a lot of people try to make it make public points and the hearings are always going to be a sham. Half the people asking questions have no interest in doing this either. Let me ask about Roger good Dell who appeared on his resume call. I thought he was disingenuous at best. He doesn't have the power to force Dan Snyder to sell but he certainly had it influence you know it because it it has to be a 20 funding 2431 other owners have to vote them out, but he certainly has influence any can make suggestions anyway like he had. He has no influence at all. He was being disingenuous with with the House oversight committee just influence in more than just a suggestion that the Constitution and bylaws empower the commissioner to actually make a formal recommendation to the executive committee to initiate all proceedings that would that would force NFL owner who violated the provisions of the Constitution or conduct detrimental provisions to be forced to sell the burden starts with him. He has to initiate the process of making that formal recommendation, so he's crazy critical integral part of the process that would lead Dan Snyder to be forced to sell his interest. He has to start forgive Elvis a is nothing I can do about it is just an outright if it's not an outright lie. It's contravened and contradicted by the plain language of the Constitution, which gives them that power to start the process. If you believe that there's been a violation of either the Constitution or any of the so-called amorphous conduct detrimental provisions that appear in every league.now we can see why the name of Daniel Wallick's contest is called conduct detrimental since we've worked into mentions of that Justin just income and distant discourse.

I think it's fantastic. Conduct detrimental is the is the podcast is the thing about it. I've I believe this and I and I joked around is that if if only Daniel Snyder was his Hon. as Jerry, the late Jerry Richardson, former owner of the Carolina Panthers who sold to his his team after it came out that they had their own workplace issues that he was directly involved in, and we know that Daniel Snyder has been cited and is been sued and we have there's just a long history of Daniel Snyder and misconduct with this. My feeling is that Snyder knows enough about the goings-on around the league that maybe the other owners are afraid that if they push them out that it's gonna come back on them. I think it might be more afraid of the precedent that would set that would lead you every owner has probably their own problems in house. It may not be something that Dan Snyder is going to expose but if it takes workplace issues were employees have been mistreated, so to begin the process to force an owner out. I mean every other owner of their teams would have to look internally and wonder will have the same problem.

You know, virtually every team at some point or another is been sued for employment discrimination and failure to promote their all these problems worse than the Baltimore-Washington commanders obviously but if you set the precedent where you know these accusations from employees over a toxic workplace environment sexual harassment or racial discrimination does exist and in virtually every corner of American life American corporate life.

So could it could create a scenario where other owners are to become vulnerable themselves based upon actions that took place in the past.

Maybe they think should happen, but I think that's what they're afraid of. Dan Snyder tries to expose the inner workings of the National Football League will be sent into oblivion. These billionaires are not to be cowered by threats from Dan Snyder because collectively and even individually.

There are more powerful than him and in a court of law imagery of his cortical peers.

I don't think Dan Snyder is going to do too well and to use the press to use his inside information to embarrass others he will be he will be sued and in litigation for the rest of his life. And that defined the rest of his life.

All the other owners to continue on with the business of the National Football League.

So unless he has know some you know smoking gone she could have embarrass or lead to the resignation of someone like Roger good Dell or maybe force other owners have to sell their interest conversations that internal memos and emails. Maybe he had all all I know is all I know is this Daniel there is there's there's something that he has that convince Roger to Delta not have a written report on the investigation into the workplace practices of the Washington commandos. There's there's a reason why that didn't report that there wasn't anything published. If you want that written report come out in one of two ways. Forget forget Dan Snyder forget Roger Goodell wants to subpoena Beth Wilkinson of your House oversight committee. Of course she's electrically stock to be able to divulge attorney-client confidences, but there are ways to ask her questions as a you have a recommendation that was different than what the NFL ultimately punished Snyder for an object, and that's not privileged information. I don't think that's privilege and the answer that question really bolster some of the reporting out there that she was prepared to recommend that Snyder be forced to something that's not legal advice and the house committee can challenge any assertions of attorney-client privilege by pointing to a long line of case law and in congressional authority that says this is not a litigation proceeding, the attorney-client privilege doesn't count in congressional investigations and the chairman of the committee has the discretion to disregard privileges and forced the witness to answer something won't get to the heart of it, widely skirting around the edges and viewing owners and commissioners were simply not talking to protect their own to shield their own financial well-being.

Beth Wilkinson the other hand, has a story to tell if she's permitted to tell that story and there is a way to adroitly and cleverly and smartly answer candid questions without intruding upon client confidences, so I don't know if that's a line that can be walked here but I mean let's get right to it looks like spring Wilkinson before Congress and why don't we subpoena the custodian of all these investigative records because they're the ones who can be forced to produce these records to Congress they already possess it.

So rather than target good Dell or Snyder. Other participants in this investigation that might have a more compelling story to tell and be provide a quicker pathway to getting somebody's materials released. This is why people need to go to listen to the conduct detrimental podcast because you very thorough. Daniel Wallick and I love talking to you, but unfortunately we run at a time when you get to the other legal issue. The DeShawn Watson thing so I will direct everybody to June 22. That episode is the DeShawn Watson partial in parentheses settlement episode. Check out the podcast conduct detrimental talk again very soon. I hope you have a good July 4 weekend and will will connect again very similar pilot feeling very soon. Given the pace at which things are happening always a pleasure. Thank you for having me on your program and look forward to the next time. As always, thank you.

You got a Daniel wildcat Wallick legal on the Twitter again podcast is great. They will help you understand these things a lot faster than I can. Although you need to listen to the show anyway. June 19, 2006, but it all started May 6, 1997 with the announcement that the Hartford whalers were coming to North Carolina transition of heartbreak. Figuring it out on the fly became 25th anniversary of the presented by the Carolina listen so maker maybe it's not going away.

I know we joked about two weeks ago that the Baker Bayfield think it's been shut down based on not being able to make a move during the draft but no almost every day somebody writes something about well Baker Bayfield go to go to bed. There's Kimberly a Martin from ESPN both found one that happened. I can't think that defined my thinking that Carolina would be the destination. In fact, initiated everything that I'm thrilled that the area where the back Baker Philip Brown hospital but very very unlikely because both I like this Baker Bayfield know it's just know they they sign Jacoby percent. They gave DeShawn Watson $230 million. Yeah, it now appears more and more likely that there won't be a year-long suspension so that Watson will miss maybe not even half the year that's going to be a very, very dark day for the NFL. I mean whether or not 20 of the lawsuits were settled out of court. There are still six others pending and maybe even more on the horizon.

I just did the NFL wanted an indefinite suspension probably not going to get that they're probably good have to attach an actual duration to it, but it do it now seems what their leaking out is that that would accept 6 to 8 games. So were you telling me is that what Ezekiel Elliott did and what DeShawn wants a bit of the same call that you can't elect savanna fellows knocking to come out is looking now with that said, Watson is their quarterback percent is there backup and likely would play if even if Watson is gone for a year percent would be their quarterback. Mayfield ain't showing up to play for the Cleveland Browns. Yeah, it's like someone that you are a relationship with decided to move on to someone else, then a big fat ring on their fingers at all by the way you want to come to the wedding. It's next week so ultimately broke up with me right ultimately they're going to have to release Baker Mayfield but man the Panthers just might be desperate enough. I just hope they don't give up an asset. If I would put myself in the Panthers in a Panthers fan position. I don't believe Baker is the guy that's going to get me where I really need to go.

I think Baker is better than the current guy but he's not the guy.

The last thing I would want to do is give up something that I might need.

In other words, an asset. So if they wanted.

If they were willing to just take an even swap.

Donald for for Baker. I do that or if the asset that I have to give up is like 1/6 round pick in exchange for you to pick up part of the contract. I might do that. Maybe. But I don't want Baker so much that I've given up anything for and my fear is that the Panthers can't help themselves that that's my fear right yeah that really good point that that chocolate cake looks so good I know I should have it, but my gosh the icing looks delicious sliver. This is the gold shell June 19, 2006, but all started May 6, 1997 the announcement that the Hartford whalers were coming to North Carolina transition of heartbreak.

Figuring it out on the fly became 25th anniversary of the presented by the Carolina listen