Can the ACC schedule basketball like it will football?

You have financial capital financial.com. This is the gold shell steak is Carolina every year. Carolina being big dad to a young soccer player. So thank you very much for doing this again was going on. Not a lot I I'm coming with you that it I cannot put myself in the shoes of an antistate fan but what I can acknowledge that the absence of division play even if you're still playing Clemson. Every single year has removed the roadblock that would be Clemson or no in 2012 or 2013 Florida State and so hey if you got play Clemson.

The best thing that you can hope for is that you get a rematch in the ACC championship game was the rest of it sets up so that you can be. Even with the loss to Clemson the second best team in the ACC a bunch of things I want to get to about this. I will get back to 1355 means. Does anybody 355 we talking Gary Patterson defense and really can reason 355. We always we work from from the basically the blue line out the back line that we go to the midfielder we go to forwards.

Nobody plays a 355 anymore. First of all, that's illegal, but will get to the scheduling format in a second.

We know that the pack 12 just completely scrapped divisions this year. The ACC is doing that yet.

Do we think that this is going to be the plan across the country. Yes, I think that for the SEC, they are just got a hold tight until they get Texas and Oklahoma on board right and they take on a 366 rotation to be able to handle their 16 team conference and as we look to the Big Ten to be able to be the next in line. Remember the big 12 is no divisions. They already have a round-robin schedule.

I don't expect they will go to division play but we will slowly but surely see division play phase itself all the way out. My big take away from a national perspective is that the ACC has only committed to this through 2026 right. 2026 is that we learned our lesson out to 2036 when it 2016. We learned our lesson of scheduling out 20 years in advance and now we're just going to take this bite by bite. You heard Dennis mentioned earlier on the show that you you. These could change right we only these are going to be your primary opponents at least through this edition of the scheduling model. I think that cutting this off at 2026 is very sharp because you want to adjust.

If you need to. If there's an entirely new college football landscape should always give yourselves the flexibility to adjust its wise scheduling these things out forever is never a good idea if you're to stack the ACC this year and obviously were just guessing, but if you had to say. This team will finish first. This team will finish second, who would be that team first and who do you think that they would be second Clemson one is based on conference schedule on basic and on whatever it is to Patterson was the base it on. You can base it on uniforms best you Clemson one antistate to Miami three and then when we get to for I think I take hits okay so what are saying if if if what you say is correct and I tend to agree with you that it would set up the possibility in the future. Just not now for Clemson and NC State to have a rematch, a textile bowl rematch at the ACC championship game. If this were next year as opposed to this upcoming year and I think that would be better so the follow-up to that because I heard the Joe's talking about this with Bubba Cunningham yesterday. Would this be better or worse for getting multiple teams into even a slightly expanded college football playoff. This is going to be better because it's going to provide a quality opponent that if you are on the cutting board.

If you are this is going to so much more than put in 62 on the board against Virginia. This is going to do so much more than underwhelming against a Georgia Tech or whoever comes out of the coastal division.

I apologize because I understand that the coastal division does hold the most recent ACC is getting it done as conditionally linked from 2009 until 2012 until 2021. It was it a Florida State or a Clemson Atlantic division winner that we had. So up I mostly looking at this to the Clemson FSU viewpoint, but at same time I can say that those matchups felt like don't screw it up right. You know, it never felt like it was the kind of opponent on conference championship Saturday. Aside from, you know, when they did go with one division. It was Clemson and Notre Dame. And guess what you both made the college football player. I did, but Notre Dame I believe was was undefeated right of the circus is a here's where I think it actually does write what I said earlier, was it depends on the season. Whether or not it would be good or not attending to NC stating that takes 1/3 loss in the, in the conference championship game is probably not getting the way I look at it so it but attending to state team that misses out on a conference championship game might get in.

So I guess I just think it depends on the season I dove.

I think it's a neutral. I don't think it benefits you can, but I think it could also hurt you so I think it ultimately is a neutral for me is whether or not it helps you get an extra team player. I think it guarantees her champion gets. I think providing a quality opponent for championship, and the fact that you know you mentioned the two lost three loss scenario if we are truly going by your winning percentage. There is a potential that there could be a team that goes one and three in the non-con, but then gets white-hot in conference play wins all those games with a three loss team in the conference championship. We are far less likely with no divisions to have conference championship contenders that have three for even five losses of was a Georgia Tech went seven and seven. A couple years ago right thank you its own record and how it ended up losing in the conference championship game and losing that is bowl game after that.

I think that it is more likely that your champion is going to be in the college football playoff we mentioned the expected expansion of the college football playoff. If it's a close game.

Both teams are quality, then you are going to have a result that should provide not just your champion, but also your runner-up a decent shot to be able to go play the player to Patterson. As always, on Wednesdays. Alright so we now have the three of the 5355. So these are I think Dennis took called the primary opponents. We'll play these teams every year is very team there that caught a break. Is there a team there that got hosed, for whatever reason that you can that you can see pit. I think that pit getting Boston College, Syracuse and Virginia Tech is favorable, could be a monster.

You know like him were looking at Virginia Tech as it is currently in turmoil under Justin Fuente and I believe that Brent pry a Virginia native know who basically took down the Justin Fuente regime by recruiting all the best players out of Virginia and bringing him up to Penn State right I was talking with her friend Will Brinson about this yesterday like the easiest athletic director move ever say what happened with Virginia Tech football they were doing good on the recruiting trail players are leaving the state where they going Penn State. Okay, let's go get the recruiter out all these players from leaving. So that could turn a little bit but on its face that I had really highlighted. Boston College turkeys Virginia Tech. I understand that we in a lot of cases here were put in some of the old Big East foes back together but I I thought that that was a favorable draw the thing that made me laugh the hardest is actually on the Virginia Tech side because I said what is the history between Virginia Tech and Wake Forest when the world outside of and then it came to me.

If you mentioned, it's Frank Beamer you are in 00 on that scoreboard but there also campuses are 90 minutes apart and Virginia Tech does travel that was from a mean it's not good for Wake Forest to say were excited that one of our primary opponents will travel to come, but it's good for Winston-Salem hotels. It's good for the gates. It's good for the concessions so archived, so that one as one of the few truly geographic moves.

I was surprised. Speaking of geographic that Florida State did not Georgia Tech as Georgia Tech is the closest campus from in the 880 from Tallahassee so that one was a little bit of a shocker, especially when you're trading them out for Syracuse but in other than that I think that everybody got a decent across your three Juergen have one or two that you're excited about and one that might not make as much sense for the most part I think fruit disco can appeal that back. I think they probably gave Georgia Tech the break. There goes Teck has Clemson and Louisville as their other two so to give them theoretically.

Louisville should be a top half of the league football program. We know where Clemson is and Florida State should be a top like no worse than flickered right if you do that, then you're putting them against three programs that like you are Georgia Tech already fighting an uphill battle back on time college football and you're handing them programs that are built to win at a high level or at least willing to spend it in Clemson, Florida State and and I will be the only way Georgia Tech should be good is because they are based in a hotbed of college of high school football is a great environment for college football in the state for high school football rather in the state, but there are so many academic requirements. It is difficult for Georgia Tech IGN you're competing you know with all the other SEC and ACC schools that recruit that area is just hard.

I just don't know how they're going to do it so I gotta think they were thrown Georgia Tech bone Florida State 30 Clemson, we think Miami should be good to so and then they throw Syracuse at the end the days of Syracuse being good in football thinkers longer. Just note along yet as I think the logo. It's unfortunate you know I'm significantly older to Patterson people I like, I might be 40 years older than she. Patterson, for all I I grew up in an era why you laughing for the management of youth would Brinson be a high-pitched voice so but I grew up there. Actually it was after I was still going on. When I moved here 98 were Syracuse was good. You know going back to the Don McPherson as a quarterback era. Dick McPherson is the head coach Donovan McNabb was obviously a pretty good football player at Syracuse they were good for a while but they just can't be good anymore today.

Just not enough of the talent is staying in the North Syracuse is a place is been basically forgotten by enough like I know they were good. A few years ago but it was a mirage. We all knew it was a mirage. I guess you can be really tough. I just think that basketball school the right to mention we treat them with. They used to be.

Year in and year out a good football program. I I grew up in like in the 70s and 80s, and Syracuse is good football this that the Northeast actually played good football.

Boston College was routinely good. Penn State was routinely good, though schools almost all recruited in the same general area as it was before big money and all this before the river there was a time where the ACC paid out more money than the SEC that also was during the lifespan of my time on radio in Raleigh, North Carolina. Is there something you would have done different with 355 in the way they've done it know I I think ultimately the real balance of this scheduling model is the fact that you're not going to have these drastic swings in terms of the conference schedule on a year-to-year basis. Because your complaint everybody like five and five.

It pretty much guarantees that you're just going to face a wide swath it's can be changing out. I really like the idea that we have changed the math on who has the easiest and toughest schedules. I just turned in the future for CBSSports will be posted here by midafternoon, ranking the toughest schedules in the ACC and it is such a simple activity to support because you just look at the cross division opponents. Everyone can apply the same division opponents, but the cross division opponents who avoids Clemson and NC state your schedules easier. You know who draws Clemson and also has Notre Dame rotating it on the schedule your schedules harder and I think that this will at least create a lot more diversity where it will be much less easy to understand. Looking at the entire conference who has the easier and tougher schedules because all be so much more diverse without the men monotony of division play let's take a quick break and come back.

I want to ask you about how this might lead them to scheduling changes in basketball. If there thinking about these things.

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So you get more games that have more meaning just think that there's somebody games you yeah but the safety of numbers enough to worry about. One team having a tougher schedule than anybody else, isn't the company ACC basketball programs and how many ACC basketball games do you think really qualify for that delete kind of status because the league is huge run wild and look at the individual program. Some of the head coaches. Some of the success that the ACC is had it with a few teams making a deep run in this past NCAA tournament and other years. Were you able to really beat your chest at the league office about how many teams are in the NCAA tournament. Like true like entertainment value.

Bring in some buzz. I think that it is in college fastball as a whole to get it limited and I think that in the ACC. Specifically you're talking about matchups that involve only a couple teams for year and I don't have last year's schedule in front of me, nor do I I I believe they kinda do. I mean it.

We don't have a lot of scenarios where there are two awesome high profile gotta see it ACC basketball games on a Saturday. It feels like they always slotted for the 6 PM Eastern time to fall like that. We we trot through the big 12 and we trot through maybe an AAC bridge game and to put UVA 6 PM UNC Duke 6 PM right now. I think that the ACC probably does a good job of at least spreading those high-profile games throughout the calendar so that we don't have any weekend Saturday in the college basketball season. That is, without the kind of marquee event that is going to get that ESPN prime time kind of treatment so we we have experts. Whoever those experts might be on the professing to be one, but there are people within the league that we think these teams are going to be good. These are like we think these will be our our forebears than these two or three or four teams that we think could push that there's always good to be an outline is always to be somebody that surprises in last year's terrible example because it was a bad year across the board in the league but for the most part have a pretty good idea who's good be good.

I would simply make sure that those teams played each other on a regular basis with like a home and away one off.

Let's make sure that we get to do Virginia games every season. Let's make sure that with Florida State especially where it is right now under little Leonard Hamilton that Florida State did new blood gets two shots against the bluebloods and it's not one of those two games I see what you're saying.

That's what I think the league should do. First of all, it's better for the teams up top like this would have been better. Probably they got hot at the end but this would've been better for UNC right. This would've been better for any of the better teams to play more games against better competition this if if were going to be so many things on quad water quad to that we should create more quad water and quad to opportunities and then allow just the garden and I would do the same thing as I think it benefits the bottom of the middle as well. You can create may be the illusion of having better teams at the bottom by all my gosh this team went 21 and nine even though they didn't beat me buddy good but they went 21 and nine maybe they get it. I get to a first for so I just think that there is some manual things they can do rather than say this is our formula and worse work on a stock with an alleged to be at the it's always been in a possibility, but they've never done it.

So there's the way that I've heard it proposed in all this stems from the this most recent basketball season when so many nonconference games were able to spring up out of nowhere and they are able to organize it be something you can't do in college football because of logistics of adding an entire team and support staff. We can find a gym we can get all of our guys bear in maybe we can sell some tickets. I think that the following conference centric argument would be to take a weekend and say are everyone's playing on this weekend will be grateful though against who and you sell that the way that you sell the ACC Big Ten challenge you, so that the way that you sell the midseason SEC, big 12 challenge and maybe that midseason SEC, big 12 challenge is a way that the ACC even counter programs that were on that same weekend we don't even know until there's some drawl or some big, some announcement show and like you said, maybe it's not random. Maybe there is a little bit of we are going to go ahead and have the best teams play against each other because that creates more quad when opportunities but all of this stems from the idea that you can schedule late into the game in college basketball. In a way that you cannot with so many team sports all across college sports especially when it comes to comparing it to football. I I think that having nonconference late in the game matchups put together that put good teams against good teams would make for a great thing for college basketball but for a conference to block off an entire weekend and say that between Saturday and Sunday are entire conference is going to play and you you cannot play an opponent for the third time because right there's a way you go into a season without having Caroline into play each other twice. For example, but you can't play an opponent for the third time we're gonna put you against another similar similarly good team tournament bound or not based on you only point I want. I think I would be a fantastic idea begin my suggestion is to put it there.

January February maybe even counter program. The big 12 SEC challenge because while the ACC Big Ten challenge it. We are used to that has been handed out of an unofficial start, especially with football recently in the rearview for NCAA tournament and bubble purposes.

I do think the big 12 SEC challenge gets a little bit more juice you. You can even do that for the entire final week of the regular season, you can make this a big deal because as we get to the end of the season.

Everything takes on more meaning. One quick thing and then I'll ask you question about pumpkin Ridge does it matter where the conferences headquarters are really four $1500. Y'all can come work here. I've got a spacious office have Kevin over there Amy can have my desk right really running the show anyway right yeah but it I do think that there is a little bit of a network.

He aspect to this where being in the same place as the stadiums the sports consortiums and in this, that of the other.

I understand that and I understand that Charlotte Douglas versus PTI is a very different playing situation and goodness travel seems tough enough as it is right now so you might as well give yourself as many chances as possible going to do one of the hubs of the southeast, but in terms of, you know, doesn't dip July as a North Carolina resident think the ACCs headquarters being in the state of North Carolina benefits me know. I do not I I've argued that we should just get the greatest RV ever and Jim Phillips can be driven around the ACC footprint and headquarters happens to be where they wake up in the morning listening tour. I imagined listening tour as a Madden style bus absolutely no one in particular in all across the ACC footprint today headquarters is in Charlottesville tomorrow.

It's just not ill. It got it because there is an advantage to just being around some of those like business people, summers, people within the community.

When you are going to be leaning on them for some breaks when you are going to be leaning on them for the advantages that you would need to have that football championship be there to utilize the ballpark for the baseball tournament.

There's there.

There's a lot of activity around the Charlotte area were just having those relationships by proximity as is going to end up were common in handmaiden. Maybe it does, but may I think if they want to have the association with the league to go to have the association with the league of their headquarters are in Atlanta or if their headquarters are in Charlotte or if their headquarters were in New York.

What was to be in Orlando right when we think will look, I wouldn't completely rule it out, but that's in Orlando tell you this. Of University President-elect that you need to get involved in, and in all those matters are ESPN and Disney just I'm just saying all right.

I watch the press conference this morning from yesterday. I appreciate Brooke's Good being honest when he said, look, my bodies hurt you bit barely played over the last two years I appreciated Pat Perez saying today that a man it's a grind for me basically to finish in the top 125. This allows me to make a lot of money and not play a lot is that our live events, exhibitions to you absolutely with him he needed and guess what I watched. I watch the match of of documenting the jury do much for Josh Allen and all I did not.

But I said I have watched them act like I have watched I had to.

I've watched Brady of oblast ULI goal. All of these. Not all of them have watched many of these events. The slime cup. Shout out to the slime cup 10, which by the way, had an official the Justin Thomason: our slime cup this oh my goodness sent me a link I I will I will okay.

It was eight Nickelodeon golf of all my guys sent me a link shout shout out to Paramount, Viacom, CBS and all the company plugs I need to get in but I by the slime cup had a higher official world golf ranking average than the pumpkin regiment that's going on this weekend. Is it Ridge or the Butterfield and John Deere so maybe John Deere's feels terrible job, but it will feel this is worse than the Irish open field this week. If I am willing to watch all of these exhibitions. Then, like maybe I'm I'm not planning to watch pumpkin Ridge, but in terms of the general premise of do you think that live golf 54 hole no cut limited field shotgun start. Do you think it is an entertainment product you think it is an exhibition yes but if that's it's because if that is its reason for existence is to be entertainment and an exhibition and I guess the units fulfilling its purpose that look. I I've I think the players are competing but the way it's set up, if not to be taken seriously by the world golf rankings and they need to understand that and if they change the format and I don't even care shotgun start whatever it's it's different. Ask it to me it's completely irrelevant that viewing product I want to see. I want to see the leaders play 16, 17, 18, and succession. I don't have the agreement that this is I don't want to go to the second easiest hole on the course or the leader happens to be able to be getting a birdie right at the end because it's their 18th all right as your almost never not almost never but had many golf courses are not defined or easiest holes on the course of 16, 17, 18 rounds one and two shotgun start round 3 Traditional Way of finishing a golf tournament would would be better for that golf tournament, but I think that the shotgun start for the first direct the fact is that it that 54 holes, just not to be taken seriously.

I don't care about no cut their 20 events of the PGA Tour that have no cut world the W GCF are being free of world ranking points. You just need to get into them so you can continue to boost your ranking events that has been something that I I've agreed with for a long time, but the idea that a 13th Pl. finish in 54 hole event is the same as a 13th Pl. finish in a 72 hole event is that that just cannot count one for one when it comes to the world ranking very final final thing. This is not about live. This is about to the DP world tour the old European tour. They've essentially admitted the truth out loud the way it's structured now and people are mad about this, but we all will all know this is true for long time is that they are now fear tour for the VGA door. The top 10 finishers of the year and Theodore will advance at the option anyway to advance to the PGA Tour, get tour cards. I have no problem with this because the best players in Europe have been coming over and playing the PGA Tour forever so suddenly now because it's in the rules now people are going well for Justin. Just saying that were not as good a tour.

Yeah that's been the case for 30 years at the risk of nuking us here in injury time do you think that live will try to buy DP world tour and to have tried to my thinking that this agreement, which includes more money from the PGA Tour to the DP world tour to prop it up has gotten in the way if I got in the way at some point.

This will be called PGA Tour Europe right in and we are very much like not awarding integrates praises for the PGA Tour bosses and the headquarters don't it was a was a good break at the DP world tour is decided to increase his partnership with the PGA Tour versus what was probably an option from letter from live gifted by either flattened by it and I think they tried to to Patterson. You're the man.

Talk to you next Wednesday ask you I will talk to you next Wednesday. Hayes will talk to you next Wednesday sounds good.

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