Future of Two or Three Super Conferences // Pete D' Arruda On The "Dickie V" Documentary

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But that's another story for another time.

I mangled is the gold show what we do at 2 o'clock is gonna run through a lot of sound from yesterday because a lot of stuff came from SEC media day and it's worth your time. The wall of sound is a function of this pilot. Start with the commissioner of the SEC, Greg Sankey, who I think is possible. It has been given for the last probably longer than 15 years, but it has been a given that the SEC plays the best football.

Maybe we can joke around with it just means more. It does, but they simply play the best with and that's been the case.

That doesn't mean they always have the best team. Often times they Ohio State has won national championships. Clemson has won national championships. You don't go back that far. Southern California national championship, but the SEC has played the best and because of that their television package has until the Big Ten will eclipse and this year they will television package has been the best and they have earned the most money, they will be second but it really doesn't matter how they'll be second to the Big Ten but will both be right around or north of the hundred million dollars annual anyway. The Commissioner Greg Sankey got a feeling himself these days and here's Sankey on I guess is the aftermath of the Southern California UCLA defection from the pack 12 to the Big Ten.

A lot of you could foresee all but there are a big collectively, the reality is more change formation committee. I rewriting the Constitution your cochair on that what is left to decide a lot back to the Constitution. Language hyperbole. It seems to me, because the Constitution D&C 44 process. Also, the real issues were warned in the charge to the transformation of direct financial benefit. Student athletes government decision-making membership regulatory culture and to walk through those processes take time and that you have to think through membership are thinking. Think was all for that was an interview with Greg Sankey and that is not a CBS sports.com. They were talking about the transformation committee in the NCAA. I'm not sure what any of that really means for what this is what's going on right now in college sports was the only thing that really matters is how much money these conferences can get working to hear from Nick Sabin and a little bit.

My read on Nick Sabin is that he is not happy with what's going on in chocolate sport really isn't happy about what's going on. Forget that the second first of all, Dennis Cox is checking in the mist. Place your bets, but that's okay. He's at the Westin in Charlotte. The date did you trip a fire alarm. What did you do down there. I did not fire alarm out of my believe what happened was Jim Phillips arrived and realizes oh no, I think that's really what went through his head and that's what trip the fire alarm. I think the fire alarm. It's really you know, I guess you could say lack of better term feeling around the Notre Dame once a lot of money in the it's a figurative fire alarm figure in a little. I would also what what do you have anything else to report from the Westin while I was trying to confirm if it was Jim Phillips or if it was Notre Dame that tricked off the fire alarm work on contacting my source right now. Before still now directly coming back into the building so that's something I try figure out who actually set the alarm off because I did you ask anybody what happens tomorrow. If you're in the middle of the show and the fire alarm goes off. I we all gotta go down the stairwell. That's what I learned all that far. It's 121 flight true love your coming up in the parking garage will you have the gall to clear out which mean for us tomorrow but Jim Phillips talked at 930 I'm I'm I'm setting a new batch of flat over a number question about the future.

The over under 1 1/2. I want somebody asked Jim Phillips a question about live golf, you can I will not be in their answer. Asking questions I I'm good to be a voyeur unlucky to be an active participant in There I want. Glad glad you are not the cause of the fire alarm.

Maybe I will. I will okay anything else to report know nothing yet.

There's a lot of signage they'll ATC it here way better than one in Brooklyn. I granted a lot of science from Brooklyn looking for on your care, Charlotte cares about the ACC football meeting. I know there are big balls and oranges right Boulevard will be there semi-again the current year's delay with no bowls of oranges yet will be there tomorrow. I think I'm Dennis Cox news reporting live from the fire alarm at the Westin in Charlotte for tomorrow. I'm glad I'm glad we got that. I here's Nick Sabin will play this will come back and talk about it on the other side because I if you listen to Nick Sabin does not sound like he is a happy camper. Based on what is going on around college boards. This is from get up with Mike Greenberg not get up with was a get up with my great yeah thing is get up with Mike.

This is from get up from yesterday show or maybe was earlier today with Mike Greenberg on what's going on with conference real and we all have future probably money probably drives a lot of this sort of above my pay grade though to know what we should do is click in the SEC when any of the links I think is thrust forward conference rate passes all over your opinion is as important as any change. Change big picture first for that.

You basically dedicate your life.

I think probably for the have obviously not want to have probably some have not sorted say second half of sleep will count as well. Maybe there's some system like your play when how it all walks out.

I know that one thing we've always tried competitive balance in college athletics and I think this could affect that difficultly for a soon. It's easy to tell just listening to it, but if you're looking at it if you're watching Nick Sabin.

I saw the video he doesn't sound like a guy who is in favor of what is happening and I could be wrong I could be completely he's right in that it's not can impact Alabama negatively can't. Alabama was basically top of the food chain. George George's at the top of the food chain. The schools like that. These are the schools that make all the money and they recruit at the very top and they win all the time and Ohio State's Darren Clemson has been there. We'll see if Clemson stays there. Don't know but something in there that Sabin said that was really really important and will isolate that what we come back because there is a downside to this I will hit that on the other side on the culture right now going out all right if I want to mess up on the production side of things. Every now and then I thought I should at least get the bumper music track very very good credible song my songs are better live in the city of Graham Hill on the ones and twos.

Very cool stuff. I SEC media day gave us a lot and we listen to Nick Sabin is a second ago in a couple minutes your clip from Hurt Locker current Street from ESPN about where he sees the future going.

I actually think Kirk is a lot more right than most of these people that we have heard from Nick Sabin did not sound like a happy camper. It's great for Alabama what it what the amount of money coming in is great for Alabama. Although if you can't pay the players right now colleges are directly paying the athletes then it's just excess soldiers could have like superduper locker rooms and they could have 47 quality control.

Coaches grant to bury the money somewhere or maybe the athletic departments will just fund no women's hockey University of Alabama never women's hockey team so much money so Sabin was talking about is great for Alabama. It's great for the like that schools top. But there is a cautionary tale here in this is what he had to say. I think probably for the have obviously Alabama will want to have some that have not.

Some of the sort of say second half of my workout as well. Some system like relegation here. Relegation might work, but at that point you have to have like 30 teams in each conference.

Maybe not quite 30 you'd be like 24 teams in each conference to have relegation work that relegation be a viable option. I don't think were had. You could do in college you can't do it in professional sports in the United States for all the people to think that all that's what MLS needs. We need relegation. Nobody's ever explain how that would work teams are trying to win trying to win tell me that a somebody to pay David Tepper paid want $300 million for Charlotte FC. You tell me the chart easy to pay $300 million to get into MLS and then all of a sudden be playing in MLS to sorry that's not can happen. Not the way this works in American professional team sports.

But, theoretically, could work in college but was was referring to their was that if we keep growing as conferences and ultimately you end up simply playing yourself because of you have a 20 team league, which is where a lot of people think that the SEC and the Big Ten are headed. Well, you're going to play your entire schedule against yourself. I mean, I'm wondered for years why if you're excluded from everybody's party why you would partake you would help them out by scheduling them so I don't think that's can happen.

So if the SEC is rescheduling themselves; even before we get to that the way to Texas and Oklahoma get a load of whatever division are to be in the SEC West.

I don't mean you don't even know again somebody's gonna lose and I think that's what Sabin was talking about. Right there I Kirk Kirk should have ESPN was asked about how he sees the future of college football now and he went beyond to power conferences listed in the morning talking to people. I would be surprised if we settle ultimately three power conferences. Yellow schemes are left out of joining the Big Ten. I don't know what's can happen with Notre Dame just for arguments sake eventually give in and go to the Big Ten Big Ten at 17 you know the Big Ten is one more or two more right so that will change things up drastically. What was left when the dust settles.

They don't go into the SEC they don't going to the Big Ten is a good chance we end up with three power conferences with right around 20 teams and what Allah knows what will happen to the teams that are left out those 55 to 60 teams and ultimately try to be in this new world were headed towards work college football playoff is dictating it capital financial advisory group. We are talking retirement coach. Let's say you have more than $1 million balance in my 401(k) revelations connect actually come back and bite me because this is the thing that we did we get the Mirage received the Rogers of the desert before you see what's what. Her head was not there when your financial garage is thinking that that total balance in your 401(k) or IRA is yours. We have two people to want to get a hold of the two uncles North Carolina and Uncle Sam both ever get to do some damage to the balance depending on what kind of other income you have lose 40% of your belly looking at a million-dollar IRA because we were 6000 you. So how do we get around is what you don't get around the end up in jail to try to do what you can do tax planning to minimize the effect of taxation into the future. The text train is coming out and we need to make sure to minimize the effect of the derailment of the financial accountant for the next 10 people will do it at no cost relegation put together your very own tax and retirement plan 800-661-7383 or text Adam to 21000 for coach beetroot. If we are headed to a world where we have three power leaks. They'll all have 20 teams. Roughly and Notre Dame will be in one of those conferences because of that's where were headed then will have three notes essentially three seats at the table and the teams that are playing football at that level will be part of the playoff and if Notre Dame wants in because there won't be anybody left to play Notre Dame will be in one of those legal not even assigning them to league at this point, but that's what will likely happen.

Maybe I don't know that anything can happen for another seven or eight years. Everything's going to hinge on the ACCs grant of rights will talk about that a lot tomorrow and the next day and people will try to explain why teams can or can't leave but if the ACCs grant of rights proves legally sound then the ACC will not disintegrate until somebody is willing to take three or four year financial kit with a sledgehammer. I'm not saying that will be possible, but so were talking about until like 2032. So were talking about another 10 years before something like that would happen if the grant of rights proves legally binding if it doesn't then the teams will exit tomorrow and that stuff. That's a fact that there is no middle ground here and it will be one or two teams. It will be a lot of teams in the ACC will be picked over like the deer on the side of the road by vultures. That's what will happen. That's what is happening to the pack 12. That's what will happen.

What has happened to the big 12.

If what you have is nonbinding.

Your fair game solid is kind of the way it is. That's what mergers and acquisitions are a big business and that's what it's ultimately going to be in college sports then you have to decide is it healthy for college sports as a whole. It's okay if you grab your piece for you but it's probably not great for the sport as a whole, but that's where we are in college athletics. There is a new documentary on Dick Vitale that is coming out in about a week. I think it's next.

Not this Saturday but the following Saturday.

I believe is this Saturday to Saturday so we know the executive producer of the documentary Dick Vitale been on the show a lot.

Vitale will be honored at the SP's and actually texted with Dick earlier today. He thought I was inviting about the show I was just out of the world of talk about the documentary boy to talk to the executive producer of that documentary and look Vitale is a really interesting character will talk about Dick Vitale what he is meant not just to college sports certainly meant the college basketball and ESPN next gram is coming up on Thursday following the SP's. If you are a subscriber to ESPN plus you can check out the Dick Vitale ESPN films and we have the executive producers can join us in the second.

Here's a little late here is the official trailer for the Dick EV dock. Check this out concerned about, people don't realize that with her coach high school and got fired. It's really an amazing story will overcome a lot of adversity. I answer so you want to check that out you Thursday on ESPN. Plus, after the SP's or Saturday at 4 o'clock on ESPN. The router is the executive producer of the Dick EV documentary and he joins us on the Adam gold show. Full disclosure those people listen in Raleigh or listen to the best of podcast will know that I do commercials for Pete we call him Coach. Saul just called Pete.

This had to be an absolute blast working on this for a long time. This been going on for two years that were very happy to be releasing it right when Dick Bartel get that award on Thursday night. That's right against the did the Jimmy V award for perseverance and I actually I texted with Vicki earlier today. I know I just think I texted with dignified out earlier today and thought I was inviting him on the show. Just saying hi because it made me think of him and he's I'm saving my voice for the aspects I should know, like week we talked to Dick a lot and he makes himself very available so explain your involvement in this why you wanted to do it and how he wants to deal with what we had a private screening in Chicago last weekend. Dick Michael cannot make you weeks ago and the doctor told he could not talk for two weeks. I don't think his wife Lorraine said he can't stop talking for five minutes right so we wouldn't want to get around of the big crowd in Chicago. But the reason that Obama show before he does tremendous research Ripper children's cancer research and in the V foundation and everyone knows the who doesn't know the V foundation Jim Valvano and so he likes to concentrate on children's cancer research and and if you never had a friend or family member who's had cancer in her youngest. It's not fair so try to fight that then this idea came along with Dick man whose lead the director of the movie good buddy of mine is 1/20 Emmys in his lifetime and that I piggybacked with a method executive producer 1314 Rudy to walk on about the right thing, that it's it's it's free online on Amazon at the core for Netflix to go back and forth with.

That's a great movie. To put this one we have people lining up people you see on TV superstars like Lebron James Shaquille O'Neal, which we couldn't get in the trunk of his good rush. The deadline like Smith, anyone you've ever seen on TV.

Coach K was very generous with his time. Very good buddies with Jim about well but it is just a great movie. Nobody left that movie cinema without a tear in her eye.

Some people admitted crying more than once all of it like rock. I cry three times and I was behind see what you think about about I tell you and I know it was alluded to, like he was a very successful high school coach and I think he went to the University of Detroit had a great year had a great run. There and then got the job with the Pistons and didn't make it out of season one and that point becomes gets an offer from ESPN to be a college basketball analyst and he took it even know what to do and I don't think he intended to keep that job forever, but I think you could make an argument that he is as responsible as magic and Larry for the ascension of college basketball to what it is today. I will think about back then we are just getting on the back of the day you want to watch a basketball game yet to turn the TV room for one was on run for the week and that he started showing all the time and then this guy Dick Bartel got some time to get ahead exciting.

He's got a thousand books.

He writes all his books with the same guy Dick Weiss is another guy known longtime college basketball writer in New York and Philadelphia but with the sayings and the showmanship but he really was a salesman and like I'm not muddy. Comparing him to Tiger Woods. But in this regard. I think it's fair because Tiger made the sport of golf a incredible more more popular than it's ever been, and also he made it more money than it had ever been made, and Vitale's personality. Put college basketball on everybody's television intercede. I am not saying that Coach K should give him a cut as he probably has probably made a bunch of donations of the V foundation.

I know yes I got a lot of work for that but don't like there's a part of everybody's salary that is probably the Bartel well I was talking to Mark Cuban market. We did half a million to the to the beach foundation because of Vitale said he was so infectious and embarked on a research and he said I can't give enough to the foundation yet Vitale is done so much and you talk about childhood cancer in the is got the V gala every year at his house and they raised tons and tons of money and then when he got his diagnosis yet he has come three has made public. I don't know how many people would would essentially live this publicly like he has, but I just wonder what sort of an impact that is had on everybody else that she has decided to essentially share this with everybody else.

There was a time where you can play college basketball with the klepto. I don't know that that's still not the case. To be honest.

So in front of been a really fun project and on, and I'm really excited to get it out. I think everyone listening that will benefit by watching think is any question about that. The one thing that I and I don't know if if within the movie there are long snippets but I used to watch the speeches he made at camps to kids and he would go on for a long time and he gets a minute as an athletic event when Dick Vitale got worked up in the speeches so I don't know how much of these speeches are are contained in the documentary but I'm sure if you if there isn't you can find them online and they are inspiring inspirational messages that he gives to kids who are really very impressionable and there's a lot of different things in the world today than there were maybe 25 years ago will let you go Pete. The root executive producer of the Dickie V ESPN 30 for 30 which drops on ESPN plus Thursday night after the SP's and then Saturday at three at 4 o'clock on ESPN.

Thank you for your time so I'll talk to you soon will see you soon. Thank you got paid through executive producer of the Dick Vitale documentary look, I'm not. I'm not lying. There are people who don't like my towel because it's all show and sometimes you think he's not paying attention to the game. I get I get it. That happens a lot with a lot of a lot of analysts, but if you are a college basketball fan, you have to look past that style and thank my towel because when he started in 1979. I believe he started with ESPN mean ESPN was showing Australian rules football which I hacked, like, but college basketball wasn't that big a deal it was, is a big deal here, but it wasn't a big deal nationally meant that he build that sport good for good for right now and it should be interesting to to check all of that. I let let me ask this question, we have talk.

I don't I don't necessarily want to talk about. Though the live golf tour, but there are there is one thing that is not official yet, but nobody's denied it. So it's going to happen and there is one thing that might happen that are going to be game changers for a lot of people. David Verdi was reported yesterday that he is going to leave NBC and work for live golf on a three-year contract to do 8 to 10 of its per year, which right now are not on TV there on your Internet so in a week from this Thursday at the next event. I don't even I don't think Verity is going to be working this year but maybe will at the next event you can go online and watch the shotgun start and the 54 event you can you can watch all the I've checked it out. It's golf golf on your screen. Whatever the screen is it's just golf. But here's what's likely going to happen would talk about ferreting sick Charles Barkley is meeting with live golf this week and if they are meeting with Charles Barkley it's it means that they would like Charles Barkley to go work for them and if he does, it's very possible that he will not work for TMT. Not saying that's a done deal, but it's possible if they want Barkley. They are going to pay for Charles Barkley and Charles Barkley said this recently on Pat McAfee's radio show. You're right. Look at the board doesn't want to. I would love and I will be so off the TV.

I will judge other people listen to RMA about the relative I think that's just signing bonuses by way same thing see that that's all very funny and it's part of the reason why this series was always going to work June 19, 2000 started May 6, 1997 with the announcement that the Hartford whalers were coming to North Carolina transition of heartbreak. Figuring it out on the fly became 25th anniversary of the Carolina listen my now work to the level of everybody going just test working off right there. There are different levels of need. With this, but if Charles Barkley if they want Charles Barkley. They're not can offer him $100 million, but they could offer him $30 million a year and it's going to be difficult for Charles Barkley or anybody to turn that money down, like Dave, this is what I was told that David Verdi got to leave NBC and I think he was making between five and $10 million annually at NBC ferry.

I was told that there is getting between 20 and $30 million a year to do 8 to 10 events to consider that I'm not even going to get into the morality play because I don't think that's I don't think that's something it's not proper it's just that it creates too many but what about so I want to play anyone what about games.

If you don't care the source of the money and a lot of people don't, then fine. If you have an opportunity to make $25 million to work to do the math here in my head. Let's just say 10×330 days a year. I'm just saying hell of a lot more people would then wouldn't write. I mean, that's why what from the broadcasters perspective.

Know what I am curious about with David Verdi is will we get to the point with Verity that we did with our low white who is a complete she'll for what is essentially a middling golf tournament. Not great golf tournament. It's just okay. He is overselling a mediocre product.

If you think that what we have seen is amazing, then you don't know what amazing is amazing was what we watched.

This week at St. Andrews middling is what we watched the pumpkin Ridge which was better than the first one at Centurion in London and is not unlike not even saying that it's better or worse, then some of the lower PGA Tour events not singing their praises but it's just not that great but our low white man is selling like I'll be curious if Verity goes that route.

If he tries to because I'm sure they have marching orders. I'm sure there told this is what working to do. See how that plays out. But wouldn't be a fence. Miss Charles Barkley from inside the NBA on TNT. I'd certainly miss him, but then again I didn't expect to see them do as much NHL coverage is a good just for he was just there. He just loved. He loves the NHL. He's a huge hockey fan which is awesome absolutely awesome. It was great to TNT. Got part of the packages they could involve Barkley but I think NBA fans would miss Charles Barkley from inside the NBA.

If that's the route that TMT chose to take, or if that's the rapid Barkley chooses to take a bite 25 million to work 14 events. I'll do that but I think they're good.

If they want Charles to pay for Charles the paper Charles and Charles looked when those made-for-TV matches on on TNT. Barkley Sparta golf covered right so it mean he looked he knows the game he understands again. Barkley and certainly fairly would be way more important to live golf than almost every player was playing their tour almost every single one.

I was getting to worry one Duke University men's basketball has been notorious for a lot of things, one of which I should say notorious I should say known for a lot of things.

I don't think there notorious for anything but they are known among rival fans for not playing road games on an opponents floor. Unless of course it is the big 10 ACC challenge, in which case every other year. They do but John Scheier has scheduled a home and home with Arizona which starts not this upcoming season but the next season. First, he will be at Cameron but in November 2024. They will play in Tucson. Interesting. Steve Wiseman covers Duke for the unit. No talked about was to bring that to Cameron to beef up the home schedule which is usually filled with lesser luster in Division I home fantasy so it's a change in in two ways is the coach K, got away from particularly playing on opponents home court emissions will how long it's been since I did this let me latest regularly and even 90s yet. Remember, no Christian later look at Golden playing shack on a Sunday in February, but you left, not only did it was with a plate. Let's exclude obviously the AC peaked in shallow right and the St. John series right Lisa play St. John's the garden so duplex point regarding your ears.

That's a home game played at Georgetown right guys.

The second camera so they play Georgetown in 2010, up in DC. They lost a game to remember and I was a championship team here, but that's the last time I found that they play like another known name brand power level your Big East team Big Ten. Whatever on the road and in that situation. So Josh, are is whether the person feeding John Jackson that the escort administrator to talk about was this the company was interested in doing and how they got there deal with Arizona this week. That's pretty cool. Arizona's great notes a high level program. Those games and get major national recognition and I think the most important thing is there and I know some season-ticket holders at Duke like the home schedules have not been great if you don't catch it. Did of the big 10 ACC challenge when it's a home game year maintenance schedules is a hold no offense to Elon, but it's a whole lot Elon's Once upon a time when they were the second ranked team in the country and catechesis first season insisting was able to upset them so yeah there are very historic program Cesar that's the last major upset that Kevin accuses God his tenure. This is a great nonconference schedule impact that they've brought in, minus the ACC versus Big Ten challenges you mentioned college basketball scheduling it. It gives you a lot of freedom because there are enough games where you can play mean a loss to a good team on the road isn't going to keep you out of the NCAA tournament is just not I mean I've never asked Mike Sharansky why he'd stop doing it because I don't really think it matters because these for the whole, the notion that it gets you tougher. Mike, whatever you play a lot of road games in conference play that gets you tougher to play these he placed 20 conference games now like 10 road games and link that makes it tough one game at Wisconsin doesn't suddenly make you tougher and NCAA tournament games are all played an initial court so maybe it's even smarter to play high level games on a neutral floor because that's what really gets you ready for March because these games are being played on neutral floors, but in the grand scheme of things it's better for your fans if you bring in somebody they don't normally see that absolutely the more you get more TV coverage out of it but I don't. If you get bored I get to it.

I think the TV coverage is the TV coverage. Don't think it matters like it's better than if you're bringing in. You know central Michigan yeah right, but if you play Arizona on aircraft carriers, whose Michigan State playing Carolina know that what they did play an aircraft carrier, long time ago. Michigan states playing another aircraft carrier game this year. I thought it was going to be Carolina again brother going do it twice so so don't make a difference you plan to go on an aircraft carrier or in Marine in the middle of no Kansas.

It doesn't matter it's still to be televised but it's just it's better for the people who buy tickets to be able to have one of those every year and look I've always praised Roy Williams not Roy Williams taken it to a different level and I try to bring this up as often as possible. They will go to places you can't believe they will go to North Carolina will play at College of Charleston.

They opened up a new arena a few years ago. The play at College of Charleston. They played at Elon when Elon opened up their new building and all credit to Roy Williams for being willing to do that because it costs you money because that game would normally be on your floor so you would get the ticket revenue you are essentially donating it to them. I want to say nevermind I was this the Carolinas will play UNC W, not bothering to go down to Wilmington to play that day about tickets back in Chapel Hill Friday night, but I think they might've put wealth to date today not play the game at UNC Wilmington. I was at a game in which they played Wilmington in Myrtle Beach really still can't figure out why they did that, I think it was for Ray felt okay. I think it was for felt yet they played a game in Myrtle Beach in what looked like a high school gym.

It was like at the Myrtle Beach's convention center. It wouldn't even in a real arena. It was in a little literally looked like a high school gym where they were, but I it allowed me to cover a game in Myrtle Beach in December and expense, whose winning the skylight for the little skies circled. Now I have down there.

You mean the fares will no I did not do that. I just just kind of sat on the beach. Brought my brought my two dogs down there set on the beach and then maybe enjoy a little nightlife in Myrtle Beach which everybody should do so tomorrow we're going to be originating the show from Charlotte. The ACC football media days tomorrow and Thursday. Live from Charlotte very interested in what Jim Phillips has to say is commissioners for Ms. tomorrow morning.

That will be a very interesting chat with the Commissioner to everybody. Graham Hill well done road see tomorrow from Charlotte. I am out of gold face. This is the Adam gold shell June 19, 2006, but it all started May 6, 1997 with the announcement that the Hartford whalers were coming to North Carolina transition of heartbreak of figuring it out on the fly became fifth anniversary of the Carolina listen my