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App State Football vs UNC football and NC State football vs ECU football preview

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September 2, 2022 4:23 pm

App State Football vs UNC football and NC State football vs ECU football preview with Josh Graham of The Sports Hub Triad, and Travis Hancock of WFNZ in Charlotte.

Also, Dennis Cox continues on our NFL City Tour, this time taking us to Houston, TX, home of the Houston Texans.

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Have financial capital financial.com. This is the gold shell. Speaking of college football.

That's where we will start in this Friday's wall sound is a function of this there is no was driving home yesterday was yesterday.

Got a chance to check out Dave Doran on with our afternoon dynamic duo of Julius and Joe Julio. They call them the Oji and what is interesting is that rivalries in college are way more about fans than they are players because so often players don't.

Especially when were talking about rivalries that are not conference games. Sometimes the players have never experienced it theoretically there only around for short period of time so but Dave but Dave Doran does, though, is that he does explain to his team on you regarding what the rivalry means and some past history of nuclear came on.

Who will acquire, but I don't dwell on Monday because were part of were a lot different. PMR different when a different place than we were six years ago so you cannot really compare this figure to talk about. I know everything that I have 13 penalties leave one possession game and get good teachable information for the guys and, even for more than anything with the team.

I think I've always thought this about colleges. The real anger in rivalries is more about sand versus fat. The real anger in the rivalries, the real sheeted part of it that sometimes that translates down to player versus player to Dave Dorn also talked about this particular Wolfpack team. There are so many guys who have been around forever to cross the border to a good college ball. This way you know some of the guys became bad. Occasional opportunity for teams to be really screwy old players come back for the years we had several not just players but some of our best players do that so the unit came out way probably in my lifetime will have many opportunities you know to coach a team of over this really is remarkable how many good players chosen for whatever reason, sometimes southern Jews because they want you know, maybe I have a historic NC State season.

Some of them are coming back to improve where they might go in the draft but man they are experience to say the least.

I to Patterson. On Wednesday I had a conversation about what this game was ultimately going to come down to. I think it comes down to NC State and their offensive mindset, are they in attack mode because that's what I would like to see for them. I think that's their best way to really maximize this season. I wouldn't be afraid of making a few more mistakes as I think their defense is good enough to overcome it. Ship thinks this game comes down to something exactly opposite.

I think that the ECU defense with a decent amount of experience might be a little bit overlooked and underrated in terms of how important they are to the Pirates success not just in this game but over the course of the season and I think it brings it back to me. I got it brings back to a conversation we had weekly for like two months now where I look at NC State and ceiling of the court who throws an amazing ball and takes care of it right on third down right in the red zone 35 touchdowns, five interceptions almost 3500 yards like all that stuff is is all very true, but as a unit you think that NC State overwhelms the opponent. I guess it really dominant offense. I have yeah I just if ECU's defense can cause some trouble.

Keep this game a little close prevents you get into a good rhythm prevent NC state from being able to get a leg up and then ride the defense on their way to a two touchdown win. For example, then you start to bring into factor the intangible you play and loose. Dottie Ficklin absolutely rocking like those you. That is why I say that the game itself, I think match applies on whether ECUs defense can cause some problems for Devon Leary and Nancy states often all could be very true.

And again I tried to apologize at the front of this because I think that is Carolina seasons can be pretty good although we talk to Steve and I go yesterday when I asked him what would be a good season and he would like six or seven wins. Yeah. So they what they would 75 a year ago but of course their nonconference schedules different this year than it was last year but they would 75 last year with an experienced quarterback like old nailers in the running backs you come back in innovative they've got no familiarity on offense. If there are offensive and defensive lines are you good enough when I would hope that they would be better but the American is also very good and were right were you were watching a couple teams at the top of the American Cincinnati Houston Central Florida who are all headed to the big 12.

Those themes are very very good art to to the NFL former Wolfpack quarterback Russell Wilson just signed a new contract with the Denver Broncos $245 million over five years hundred 65 million guaranteed market editorializing deal which I believe to be a little crazy but that's fine.

Wilson on what he loves most about the contract that does not involve decimals. I think about it all is to be around his leadership. Every day on a daily basis is the guys going. His focus, attention to detail backroom yakking just now and then just arrest the guys read Josh.

I could go to QB room every single day and just push and push and push and learn and learn – so awesome by the way, how much bass was in that microphone tells it all of it give you trouble.

I just need a little bit of trouble is all about the base yes so that I'm still Russell Wilson is a football writer's dream as if it is football writer's dream. It the people.as I heard a question I Keisha J. Will and Max this morning about Will's Wilson the is Russell Wilson the third best quarterback in the AFC West, my and I think it probably is. Yeah, but I think you can make a case that he's the second or the fourth. Yeah, I think you can make either of those cases. Yeah, I just that Herbert has super skills and super talent, but ultimately is he really better than Wilson. I don't know the answer will find that out this year and I think a lot of people do underestimate Derek Derek Carr, who is getting better and better. He has definitely improved over the last three or four years and he also might be better than Russell. Well I don't know the truth is somewhere between two and four but I third dad probably say all right to another quarterback in another division deck Prescott and this is all about. This is we've heard every year, every single year about Dallas. It's time time time here is deck on the season coming up. It's all excitement as it is. It's truly a privilege to be the quarterback of his team to believe that these guys are office defense was coaching staff that we have an especially with everything being said about Saturday night mean the lack of what we have this key right. Keep talking, ready to play right. Keep talking. But we've heard this forever. Dallas is last Super Bowl was ninth 1996. The other 9596 right things nice to me at that so long ago for this franchise. It's in many ways it's like the Yankees if the Yankees had gone 25 years without a World Series title. Then a lot would be written and a lot would be criticized the Yankees went from 1978 222-1995. Between that, I think that their longest drought since they won their first.

I believe 78 to 95 was their longest drought between World Series titles 61 to 77 was another think I have that right.

But it's been a long time for the Cowboys and they sort of look the same and note Tyrone Smith again at left tackle. He's out sick a lot is on deck Prescott big although I think Dallas's defense will be continue to be pretty good, but a lot is on deck Prescott to get this done all right. We will take a short break and come back. We have the rewind. Josh Graham from sport sub triad traffic Travis Hancock from WF NZ in Charlotte to huge college football games and the Panthers coming up golden studio in my mantle to be diverted with the capital financial advisory group.

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We have only bangers left. We have Houston that will be today New Orleans that will be Tuesday and Miami that will be Wednesday. I have not done this in a while we've just got other things but we are doggone close to the real start of football season effect college football really begins this week. It's time to roundtable. So let's roundtable people. Here's a fun person. Travis Hancock WF NZ in Charlotte Mac attack guy. I appreciate your time. Travis, thank you very much for doing this. I know probably love a good Friday roundtable know the what no other way to do it at all what got Josh Graham sport sub triad with and who every once in a while decides he wants to do six hours radio at a given day like you did last Thursday and Friday and like you I should've had you want all day 12 hours radio and two days to 15 minutes with awesome I'll not know Dr. Graham completely. Everywhere.

But at least he went to school with Chris Paul, which just made yesterday. Don't know anything. It will be click onto my iPod don't not binding on the court over Chris Paul's name. There are people all over the media in our building in Charlotte that think it's real. I have people that want me that congratulated me today on the basketball court that they what were I did know was going. Now I truly believe my neighbor about before. Before we continue on this and this is no slight to you Josh and all at T-bone WF NZ Travis Hancock is a must follow. If you have you are awesome so much fun on twitter. I let's get topics so I can pretend that were actually doing a roundtable.

Even though this table is not real.

Let's start up at the rocket kid Brewer Stadium dues.

Anybody know why all start with you Josh.

Let do you have any idea why this went from Carolina by appointment half app by appointment half in a day. Follow like to work straight up to the light most just standing there, but now the reason is because people are buying the story, North Carolina is underdog that last year was what this year's going to look like you don't play perfectly. Mac Brown on Monday. Nobody love more background on Monday.

Sorry against us all. Carolina usually statement or somebody like that. Talk about Ryan right, but people are actually buying and I think last Saturday in the office with the defense to explore. It led to this line being dropped to the point where this narrative. I hate that word here has been built that state's favorite even though North Carolina will always have more talent than Appalachian State, especially after they have three top classes in Travis all behind me a little bit.

I think you know how I would write may back that you would have eventually favored in the second game program at Beckley week one yet their second game slightly over time that they'll get that back to be favored, but North Carolina was a couple years ago with Pam Howe also part of it to have to do with document or wounded but actually it will grind it up it in the last little bit. Why would, but Tony drive.

I think maybe going to play but compromise with Josh down data either going to play in your arteries not played all or what they are right now in Chapel Hill one, don't think about you.

We know down the line break make great right get better but the one known commodity right now. You went out to jot down one of the best in the country. David gave out that will be out there to help them when you got out there working in that environment. I think that is yours where I think it has to be some sort of an injury, and that would make the most sense Josh stands right because yesterday it was still one and 1/2 in favor North Carolina so this actually this morning. It was one and 1/2 in favor of North Carolina so we saw three point flip it basically six hours so I asked at some point it had to be something most most recently and I know what Matt Brown said I thought Mac Brown was truth telling on Monday. Caroline is not been good on the road and this is going to be a difficult environment to play but I also think that in a way, having played a game already helps UNC. I think it gives them a little bit of an advantage because you've been on the field to get somebody else which Clearly has not, but I do. I just think that the way Apple runs their offense is a bad matchup but I don't knows that when the game I just think this can be a lot of points coordinate and whether it's just whether Josh dances. There are not.

I think I like over 56 1/2 and I like that.

By the 10 minute mark of the third quarter, right along right along.

Actually, he was not helped recruit man's daddy was. It was already on the roster. It's just a little Carolina managers plucky little luck I don't know how to stack up in Alabama versus a guileless price is great by the way, I think Chase prices just effective but I think that life airline. He has a better offense of line where he is now that he had a Duke, he had no chance at Duke at all and I don't think again. I don't think he's great. I think the way Apple runs. Their offense is more of the problem running back out there running dark back wife but you have the Back to My Mac that order guide.

I let's get to the other game and Josh. By the way in place someplace and place your bets sometime with either Thursday or Friday heads east Carolina winning out writer +300 which, hey, that would be fun. I don't think it's going to happen, but big picture this for me Travis what what are your expectations for this team and how they approach this game like a lot of people here back in the hype and playing your first inclination is at all like the we know that it but I think that I've had to put the path to the side and back that whatever happened at the date five years ago 10 years ago 15 years ago. We know what that program and the fan think in their heads about the what now different team that might be the best thing you've ever seen the court even though all the leak that happened in all that matters tomorrow. I think you go to play them relatively" probably been a touchdown. Maybe like to find out a lot about them. My why different tomorrow and why the pack doesn't matter.

I think they win tomorrow and I think there even in how people run the government their greatness that October 1 came back they make it like that again when death Valley.

There is not ORAP backed out in our text there.

I think that the eve of my life. I have to bury the email early and I think they will. Josh wants to see. What's the base most of the floor for this and see stating eight wins ceiling is the basement is a lens. Yes, that's the basement ceiling is probably 10 wins because I don't think this is better than last year's bank something really resonated the week of North Carolina game last year when I was talking to Mac. I asked him whether or not his program was at a place where Texas you could lose multiple draft picks not high draft, not your any sense of it, I haven't forgotten only claims in place, you can lose topographic accident not seriously affect you and state laws and also to talk going back and they lost their best light receiver might be the best be seen in the last dozen years I think. Especially right out of the gate that immediately are that type of good when you lose that type of talent in the fact, like that that was Blacksburg open the season last year. Stepping into that environment immediately. Greenville America that is going to be incredibly talking talk about this is the best ECU team for sure that we seen since McNeil and Riley were there and like Lincoln and Ross. There time runs the ball actually plays defense with Scott tomorrow, but back to the rivalry 12 head coaches from ECU played NC State historical 12 head coaches have participated in a series on ECU sign the first 11 have beaten the state and Mike hasn't been more SES schools now this is his last shot until 2025 combat Grable 128 I believe. So yeah the same outright +3000 or whatever it is not +3 for the winter. Uruguay. We don't grandma the unbelievable Ohio State anything that Berkeley there will appear below the other to put in around your neck working tomorrow and will probably out of the thing.

Thought you thought might be that they could all borrow that you got the big 12 regular Oklahoma 08 probably be in the Michigan I don't know about them all that apply for that course lot got pedigree to make that Ron be right there. Here, while Dr. Josh grandma joining us here on the roundtable on the atom don't show. I probably asked the question of Josh in a in a bad way basement yet made.

The basement is that it all falls apart to get some injuries. Something happens to Devon Leary in the you know they win six or seven games. I think there I think their baseline. I think anything less than 10 wins is a bad season. Not bad just is just an okay season. I think this team.

The schedule sets up for them to be for no going to Clemson even if they lose to Clemson.

There are two more games on their schedule. The last two at Louisville and at North Carolina that a team as good as NC State should know they they will be tossup something Carol I think the Wolfpack will be favored in all but definitely, other than the Clemson game they might they might be favored in those other two games. If we get right down to it I think this is I keep using the term the final exam. This is one were going to find out if this coaching staff has a high Intuit. I like Dave Dorn a lot and I like them even if they don't know Max out this season.

I like him.

As the programs leader and head coach as I think it's a very good program that all actors there held that the program that we get them on your every year they think you're going to be in the spotlight.

The adult granted by the way they look at a year make it better and I think I know a rarefied air here that we could not like working up year-over-year. Think of anymore thought Juergen Raleigh while we think is any question to fix this we don't have enough time to really give it its due but I am to ask each of you a question about for you Travis, a local guy and for you Josh, a fellow East Carolina pirate so I will start with you Josh thoughts on Harold Varner leaving for live golf. The statement because I talk about it how one more golfer tell me this is for growing the game one more time.

I'm gonna punch leaping wall. So for Harold to say it. The money I can deal with people being Madeleine radio shows and on Twitter, my patients are. I'm doing this for my family. It's about money. It made me think higher Harold Varner and many others that are out. He didn't. He didn't try to BS us Travis thoughts yeah the whole, the whole live golf golf right now you really want to put together all with the Ryder Cup. We need to make it like wrestling. At some point you just have a live go we we come up yet or what what what what what we want about golf without fear it will be better than the presidents Are you getting the president's cup in your neck of the woods at Quail Hollow in Charlotte in three weeks and honestly I mean not really sure what the international teams don't look like we met Mark Leishman walkie Nieman. The two of those guys.

The first and the third I just mentioned they were automatically qualified on the team. Louis was facing would've been on that team maybe draining grace. There is and there's not a lot left there kind of surprised that Hideki might see him staying with the PGA Tour. At least he is saying that now but yet my total respect for what Harold Varner said because he said what we all know to be the real reason out loud and he didn't try to hide it behind anything else and I do think that it will use a lot of that money to fund a lot of the programs he's trying to do gentlemen Travis Hancock and Josh Graham at T-bone WF NZ in Charlotte. That's Travis at Josh Graham radio in exports of Triad.

I thank you very much. It was fun again why Catholic Josh Albion and only wanted to follow follow must follow you twisted Matt Brown's word so we can take it anywhere you like. I like all good, all good and I guys will talk you later I when we come back as we have been doing throughout the lead up to the start of the NFL season NFL city store. We had to each June 19, 2006, but it all started May 6, 1997 the announcement that the Hartford whalers were coming to North Carolina transition of heartbreak.

Figuring it out on the fly became fifth anniversary of the presented by the Carolina listen just to mention it, but my phone microphone everything Spencer Strider 16 strikeouts for the brace. Yeah, last night's record yes as many good pictures as the Braves of had yeah I'm a little surprised that 16 is the record but 16s a lot with considering that you know. Yes, Greg Maddox wasn't necessarily huge strikeout guy Smoltz was Glavine wasn't filmmaker was a pretty big strike and as a knuckleballer.

You would think that there were games where he just struck out a ton and back in the day if you could go nine innings you went nine innings. I'm a little surprised but yet he's saying this all along. I know the Braves are three behind the mats in the National League East three games in a loss, behind the Mets and there is a three-game set left. I believe the second to last series of the season in Atlanta so that's it's winning the division is still there for the Braves that there the last team with a winning record.

The Mets will face between now and the end of the season.

The rest of it is all pulp for the mentally don't they just play the Dodgers Mets are two or three from Los Angeles at Citi Field, and the only winning team left on the met schedule is Atlanta so this could really matter.

Baseball baseball.

Anybody can beat anybody.

I think we all understand, but it is good I said before I think the like the Dodgers are off the charts. We don't nobody can see in the Dodgers could clinch this by the end of next week could be done division could be over by the end of next week. They lead by 19 games in the loss column with a lot and is a lot yes but the Braves or the Mets. I mean throw blanket over my loving there's a big difference in the only real difference is at the top.

The starting rotation between the ground and ensures her and whoever the two best orders are for the Braves, but the Braves have quality starting pitching like this is not a lot to not a lot difference between the two teams and I can open up a meet.

I hope we see a Mets Braves playoff series and thing will be a blast for I I I am as well.

I have no hatred, no age at all for the Atlanta Braves. All right, let's let's go to Houston shall NFL city. Yes I'm fixing it in Houston space space center space I get to the space. I hope that spot. I always want to go. Space Allows a kid, I watch Nickelodeon shows like Gonzalez I like space can't add space Never got to go was myGo after seeing American pie want to go to band camp. That's fair that you know that I was already an adult time. I'm an old person American pie American pie American yeah you're right about 90 on 10 years, is 29 BSA centers got to go check this out when using juice is a really big city is all so yes, it is actually pretty large city think it's actually the largest third or fourth you like to see New York L live in Chicago, Houston for but also in terms of landmass is that to Houston is this like having been to Houston and having been to Atlanta.

Atlanta is a sprawling city to write. I think Houston actually has also more landmass. It is a massive city so it's it's not walkable city Houston though. It's not right now. I I have very walkable city Houston not share but I think Houston school taught that make sense Michael southeastern Texas makes perfect sense.

Check out Memorial Park. If you actually get outdoors and get some green space Evergreen spaces inside of cities were actually sometimes hard to come by. Yes yes I got Memorial Park when you're out there is wealth something we want to give you as well. Check out space in the Museum of natural science okay Museum of fine arts. Also, Houston zoo's big cities have to have every big city has is as they should be even like their fun to zoos in New York City. There's a central part. That's right. And then there's the Bronx, which is the central parts of course is where Madagascar was filmed. Yes, it's right. People can write animated movie ride the carousel. Also place a check out the car Museum art car yes okay arts car is not a person to figure that yes they are Carney for a minute but know you probably don't even know that is I don't arts car Museum is exactly what it is. It's a bunch of cars that are just decorate that's cool. Yeah, that's the cool thing to go check out process of the have to go to get your take on the radio talk show and rodeo in Houston. The last time I was there I believe it was much of the.

The Astrodome is still standing but I think the last time either that or the previous time I was in Houston they were using the aster down for like a rodeo/livestock show/monster truck rally or something. Sounds about right. The eighth wonder of the world.

The Astrodome is that the 8000 know that they called. They called it the eighth wonder of the world, even though it really was because it was the first dome yeah my friend Fred Westrum said that the Asheville is still standout still stick with a girl he asked her to tell. No wonder the world go check out the Astrodome. There were saying. Apparently the USS Texas Iona actually think that I USS Texas exit outside Houston nevermind what I write are not leaving Houston nevermind say Texas's largest flea market Texas largest fleamarket that is more there is no more reason to go the veil.

That's worthy of the movie Friday night lights into place. Look, my, my recollection of the Asheville missed two things one Dana six 1986 Mets and Astros in the National League championship series. One of the greatest most epic baseball games ever played and any highlights of Earl Campbell and knee-high if you want to just laugh. Go watch Earl Campbell highlights for those kids who are younger and don't remember what Earl Campbell was like go check out Earl Campbell highlights on YouTube and laugh at what he was just was like a bowling ball.

It was awesome.

Also, one thing you have to do in Texas. It's getting Texas barbecue which is basically based around breast brisket brisket is that is the go to, not yet. We talk about it when women in Arlington, but what you see North Carolina ports is the main thing I had. I had barbecue last good for you North Carolina. It's poor Texas brisket is the basis of the now missing they'll do some other stuff but nothing really is complete, down there in terms barbecue. If there's no brisket on the train. All right, but the best place to get the best doughnuts is a place called best doughnuts in Houston selfishly when exactly is called best about 430 in the morning. Well, yeah, people need their don't fix it for yeah they do here at 430 are you done a dog on 430 are you just are you going home or leaving at 430.

Yes I'm leaving somewhere and going home okay and headed home for third after stopping at best. They also have croissants for breakfast. Breakfast tacos and biscuit like bacon egg and cheese taco wire.

There's very good and Colossus excellent choices biscuits as well just just don't want one array of donor options I know are on this list right away that stands doughnuts lately that was really kicked off the salt don't think the idea for a T-shirt, came in yesterday so I have to vacuum your morning washing washer teacher before you are brand-new yeah that's not I'm not knocking that's the very adult thing.

Yeah, I have not I have not incorporated that practice myself, but I totally respect my good good looking Houston on Tuesday. New Orleans yes the most overrated doughnut in the history of doughnuts while statement justify reaction called considered to be engaged. Matthew now and gotta talk about some of the beignets was now not trying to classify that as a don't you have a lot of different don't, I will recommend people going to both Kathy and Hank I think you will be as awful yet is landmark is no question terrible was and then EA is simply a funnel cake like Duncan Duncan cup coffee is very good. I don't understand why keep slamming Duncan tremendous coffee and excellent doughnuts. I do have time for brief, we very very okay shall have been about 75% may be more about two football games. NC State at East Carolina and North Carolina had not to mountain to take on Epstein in this particular rewind. We will handle the former Wolfpack headed to Greenville where they are all time one and four. Not great Luke Taconic of the news and Observer who was headed out for that game basically says this is NC State's chance. As I wrote this week. It is not now Francis state when this is the best chance as he states that have to do anything of note in football you can't screw that up in week one. By losing these Carolina say can't you you don't write.

You certainly can and Mike uses a terrific coaches have time at ECU. This is a team that I think I would've picked the BBC in the military Ball last year that had been coded out.

It's it's it's it's they got a quarterback which at that level is the conference USA level you can fake a lot of things right, you can you can develop guidance alignment defensive backs that got overlooked creating UK get little fast running backs and big slow running backs and fit them in your office and you can recruit tight ends. You know are undersized or too slow and turn them in weapons, but you can't fake quarterback and ECU is not faking quarterbacks. I think that you do that as I expect NC State to win, but I would be the least shy person in the world if they did screw this up. I will without rooting for NC state does not as cool as would be to see the atmosphere Greenville if these Carolina wins II just we so rarely have football seasons.

Of note around here state has a chance to really do something on a national scale, and to screw that up in week one, by losing an Greenville would be unfortunate going to close and lose five but don't not this way so that that sort of my take on that NC should win but Lord knows whether or not insisted will one is a completely I agree with that again. I want to preface this by I think that these Carolina can have a very good year. NC State is bringing a top 15 team that doesn't mean that a top 15 team will always win an Greenville again. We know it doesn't always happen and we know East Carolina, especially at home has been historically very good against ACC thinks whether it's state or Carolina or Virginia Tech right they have they have one country games.

I think this is either. I think this is more about NC State. But if these Carolina's defense is good then it's going to be to be a heck of a game. I have the under what I know under 51 1/2 real quick before I caught myself out of the off-the-shelf Dennis put out a poll this week. I read today rather well put to win Saturday in the UNC pulse 67% two thirds went abstaining. Interesting. Interesting. I just think this could be thought of points and who win Saturday NC State at ECU 74%. What will basically 70 three quarters of the ball. This is the gold shell June 19, 2000 May 6, 1997 with the announcement that the Hartford coming to North Carolina transition of heartbreak. Figuring it out on the fly became Carolina listen