BREAKING: Senate Will Vote to Ban Biden Employer Mandate

You will be by employer this week. Now Sharon's most common call one 800-6843 11 secular secularity close to 100-6831 and got a couple yes August 1 have are the broadcasts I can about get more of your phone calls. This causes there. There's some breaking news here. The Senate is set to vote on a bill barring the Biden federal vaccine mandate for employers and it's likely to pass.

This is under a special rule that allows the city to operate through the Congressional review act where they can pass a resolution of disapproval that they don't support this get this mandate, of course, ultimately, the House and Senate combined. I getting that through the house to be much more difficult.

But consider doing it sends a clear message as well. The funding to actually carry this out would be in jeopardy because of cinder mansions, and who is a key vote on all the dish values. One Democrat if you got the 50 Republicans. You can't fund even if the court and for right now. This is been a loser for the Biden ministration in federal court to say the least. Every every appeal they tried to make every new motion.

They tried to make none else they've lost. They've even lost that out. The district court level when it comes to federal contractors is different case, but the CMS through the Medicaid services and Medicare services. So I they're having a very tough time record of Congress, the piles on it says record a fund your implementation of this which has been one of the big issues with the whole mandate for a lot of different employers. One of those employers is the heritage foundation, we represent the heritage foundation is the first time they have been at a party in any challenge.

The actual petitioner themselves. They are they are they filed amicus brief or two before the past, their new President is to be joining us live on the broadcasts discussed other cases well why heritage the site of events time to take a stand and also the six circuit Court of Appeals note this is dealing with the OSHA occupational safety and health misfortunes. Implementation of the mandate.

The present buying put forward the problem with that is constitutionally and it's not only suspect we constantly doesn't work. The OSHA said that themselves in the operational safety helping this person said they can't do it and then it came back in and by ministration utilized OSHA to do this is unconstitutional because of issues that we raise the federalism of 10th amendment issues. So again, if estate were to do it, that's a different story constitutionally states could could do that but I think the argument against the state and forcing them and it would be very difficult and very different.

The federal government doing it at your service. The authorities of the states with general health and welfare applies to is for the states now were saying that and as you know, those in his broadcast note we we have been pro-vaccine up everybody's voice but we been very appropriate vaccine. And I've lost a family member to COBIT and the Mike our friends at died in the land family.

DayStar just lost Marcus limited COBIT was also not vaccinated. I'm saying that because I don't want to confuse the science issue with the legal issue is a separate legal issue we just think the mandate itself is unconstitutional.

That's right.

And so a we got all of our briefings up at ACLJ.order will be filed. So far, which is really this is the petition, and so that is up in my that's a bare hands were to be joined by Harris punishes Deborah izzard to present to he just took over as the seventh new President of the heritage foundation and a six circuit that is in an orderly Friday saying that this application of the mandate is stayed still. So right now is Jordan said they are losing the administration is pretty much losing in every portal, every jurisdiction, a private out. Everything's consolidated to the six circuit threats. We come back. Why the heritage foundation decided the first time to file this lawsuit to take this stand will be joined by their new President Kevin Roberts as well so those of you who know heritage foundation know that given a brand-new present seventh in their history shall be joining us next segment broadcast as well and got a lot to discuss. They are the broadcast. If you recall, it's a 164, 31 to be part of the show, even in the second half are really get into Russia and Ukraine in the third segment a little bit about either the holidays that one of her good friends had new book out tomorrow, unleashing peace by Jeremiah Johnson is to be in studio with us to talk about his new book will be right back on second the American Center for Law and Justice were engaged in critical issues at home and abroad. Whether it's defending religious freedom. Protecting those who are persecuted for their faith. Uncovering corruption in the Washington bureaucracy and fighting to protect life in the courts and in Congress ACLJ would not be able to do any of this without your support for that. We are grateful. Now there's an opportunity for you to help me way for limited time you can participate in the ACLJ's matching challenge for every dollar you donate $10 gift becomes 20 oh $50 gift becomes 100. This is a critical time for the ACLJ.

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He is the new President of the heritage foundation, the heritage foundation really the foremost conservative think take it from becomes a public policy or countries organization ACLJ and our attorneys have worked with our government affairs team of work when this for a long time very closely. Kevin first let me say I welcome the secular. Congratulations on your new position. Well thanks so much for that. It's a great privilege simulating the heritage foundation and so early in my tenure working with you ACLJ, of course, deserves a lot of the same kinds of celebration that you just mention regarding heritage of Jim and I worked with the and with that I heritage and that your predecessors going on the way back I made way back when we started we actually launched about the same time we were a couple years after you all along literally like a year or two, and not so are our our our history is very much intertwined in this course takes it to almost new level. I want to start with this so Kevin could say you're just coming in as President. This is a very big and bold move that heritage.

For the first time anything is a history has actually filed a lawsuit week we are representing you forthwith wanted to do but for you to take that action and I know this is when your first actions as President was a very big move well and is and yet I think it's a hallmark of the heritage foundation certainly be a hallmark of my leadership that when it comes to looking at this administration which has an unprecedented view of federal power that the heritage foundation is going to stand up for itself for our colleagues here and also for the whole movement.

I made this day I don't have to tell the two of you. You are the expert here that with the Biden Harris administration is doing is not only unconstitutional, it is an unprecedented abuse of federal power and I want everyone listening Washington no that every single day under my leadership at the heritage foundation, we will be on offense against federal overage is key here beauty for our listeners know the heritage foundation. What are your key. The key founding's of the group is the idea of federalism and the idea that this the federal government has this power, but the states and really the localities, municipalities are really where the power should be because the closest to the people with the closest represents to the people and I think throughout the 40 year history of the heritage foundation is been trying to protect that careful balance in our founders intended, but that we see time and time again for ministration, mostly those on the left. These attempts at federal power grabs that will be bigger than just a six-month employer mandate be if they are allowed to get away with it.

All that's exactly right. That obviously is intrinsically regarding the vaccine mandate. It was important for us to take this unprecedented step for us and follow lawsuit for the first time in her history, but to your point Jordan. What were also signaling is that there are so many threats coming down the pike from this administration don't stop this one. In other words, this is not merely about a six-month vaccine mandate or even the permanent implementation of it is about a federal administration that is willing to subsume state power and by that, guys are even as a conservative, I'm happy that more liberal states like California or Connecticut are able to to do the reforms past policies that the majority of their residents want.

That's the point that we gotta get back in this country, whether liberals or conservatives to understanding proper federal and I want people declaring that because that's in the nature and scope of this challenges is really set that way. This is the challenge here is not. We don't you know like this.

We don't like that it's specific.

If the federal government here for the occupational safety and health and ministration of all entities who said they had no authority to do this and currently doesn't have the wherewithal to do this would be the vehicle of the binder ministration would choose to implement a policy APA a directive if you will, that is totally unconstitutional in in its approach and with the fit with federal authorities. No federal authority here. To do this, as you said states possess that healthcare authority my sale. Regarding health and safety of the citizens is the primary function of state government, and the usurpation of that authority by the federal government is called overage was exactly as during some of the founding principles for heritage, but I want to Kevin. I wanted to get a little bit of a step further here because this is not just at an important move by heritage, but the fact that you initiate were honored as I said we are really honored to be representing heritage and you all the mess and got a lot of friends in heritage and after decades, but for unit actually take action in court shows how much of an overage this really is that that's exactly right. And y'all know well that we have a lot of intellectual firepower here in heritage in the form of of me center. Great lawyers bright legal lines. Heritage is always been really active, sort of, that one of the sources of heartbeat for the conservative legal movement, but we have never taken an action like this because we believe we are best served and will best serving the movement in the country by being behind the scenes.

Let me just be really clear. I would much prefer that we didn't have to file this lawsuit wake up one day and sale manager great day to file a lawsuit against the federal government.

What I recognize was and my colleagues recognized our board unanimously recognized in spite of that history of not filing lawsuits is that we had to take a stand for ourselves for the sacred relationship we have with our employees in the private health information and most of all for the future of America that is not hyperbole J when I say that the future of America depends upon the heritage foundation ACLJ and by the way were honored that y'all are counsel to take stands on behalf of the proper relationship between the federal government and states as well as on behalf of all those rights, that if we go back to the founding of this country. We know that our states before the federal government protect your Kevin unique parts about the heritage foundation is the size just for people to understand when the largest conservative organizations in the country is not the largest. I see you have a lot of employees, you talked about you just talked about that. The relationship I think that you're talking on sprockets a lot of people here were this would impact and it would put you as if the employer in an is the President and in this bizarre position where you gotta have people monitoring and you're starting to hold onto health records of employees and in that's will be use insurance companies and things like that so that's not part of the.

The employee employer relationship I so directly it is that this is all and also the penalties that come along with this from the federal level are art, art really address coding in nature. They are there.

There Madsen and what I would like to believe Jordan is that someone who looks at our lawsuit. Even if there left of center, even if they voted for Pres. Biden and VP Harris would recognize that our stance are our decision to file this lawsuit is not political. It's not partisan, for that matter. It's yeah I guess is a policy decision, but ultimately it is about protecting a relationship that two humans have with one another. Namely, the employer and the employee. All of us regardless of our political inclinations ought to recognize that our federal government has gone too far.

When he wants to step in there and require employers like the heritage foundation to become agents of the state in one of the aspects of this I found interesting was you mentioned haft in and depth of the anomaly legal. But policy work that goes on it at heritage, but you also eaten your work in Texas have experienced what it's about what it's like on a grassroots level. Here, in his eyes and improve vaccine have been very clear about that. I believe that the in the science and I have been I-beam in MI booster and I continue to advocate for that, but that's very different than the federal and we put filtering systems in our offices were doing all the things you do to protect any job done very similar things but the fact here that the federal government.

Even when OSHA acknowledged Kevin they did not have the authority and then they went ahead and politically compromise themselves because the present can think of an ministration can think of another entity to do it and then they said all we can do it in course every court right now is turning him down and I think that's what's can happen here, but it shows you the overage and this is a core principle of why heritage came into existence. While that's exactly right and what were trying to do is for the future of America protect important relationships as a mention between employer and employees but your point J about spending some time and in the grassroots as I know you and your colleagues at ACLJ have my experience in Texas is very informative. I had the opportunity to privilege to serve on Gov. Abbott's task force to reopen Texas and in the early days.

My colleagues and I at the Texas Public policy foundation as heritage was doing here in DC had the opportunity to remind people make good choices good health choices for yourself for the common good. If this is a lawsuit that is not all anti-vaccine because we been very encouraging people to go make really positive health choices for themselves.

This is the point we step outside the nation's capital. Even those of us who are now headquartered here. We know what Americans are telling us, and whether their employees are employers. They want to make those decisions for themselves. They do not want a draconian federal administration doing it for Kevin Roberts is the new President of the heritage foundation as we said we are honored to represent heritage in this first effort by them to be the party in court and Kevin I would think you two and your team because this bit this with a quick turnaround for large organ for two large organizations together and that we got it filed were in court and that was great to have you today on the broadcast were honored to have his counsel. Thanks a lot. And of course folks out of the tables heritage.org to find where they're putting a lot of great information to about their decision to work to get a good ACLJU fight about the actual legal review but that it heritage that or you'll see intertwined ACLJ's work. Also the work of the heritage team on the public-policy side and how far back that goes. This position and really how entrenched it is@heritagesogivesheritage.org. I'm really looking forward to working with Kevin. In the people inherited over the years ahead. I think this very bright future for heritage and very excited about two blocks away from each other in Washington DC and Abby, I can work Kevin appreciated. We will be right back. Second, only one. A society can agree that the most vulnerable invoice is, is there any hope for that culture to survive. And that's exactly what you are saying when you stand with the American Center for Law and Justice, defendant the right to life. We created a free powerful publication offering a panoramic view of the ACLJ's battle for the unborn mission will show you how you are personally publication includes a look at all major ACLJ pro-life cases were fighting for the rights of pro-life activist ramifications 40 years later Planned Parenthood's role in the abortion industry and what Obama care means to as many ways your membership in the ACLJ is powering the right question free copy of mission in life today online ACLJ/the American Center for Law and Justice were engaged in critical issues at home and abroad. Whether it's defending religious freedom.

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This is a critical time for the ACLJ. The work we simply would not occur without your generous heart wrenching challenge to make protecting the constitutional and religious freedoms are most important to you and your family. Give a gift today online ACLJ Johnson in studio with us right now he's got it made a book out is to book out unleashing peace, experiencing God's shalom in your pursuit of happiness. The book is out tomorrow wherever books are sold. Because of the Christian thinkers.com a definable result. So I he's he's here with us because it is on a tour right now and you continue that to work on the book. I want to write to this Jeremiah because this is a time a year and relive it a couple years where it MEP's finding that peace that comes through God, to try to feel that is it can be difficult for people, even people are most faithful because there inundated with pandemics in crisis in crisis but yet it also had to continue on wishing that I could get the push on continue our work. We just had, on the other hand, the heritage foundation because her work continues right though it's related to some of all of this. This is a tough time for people is probably a good your time with Anita book like this because holidays can be tough.

Yet holidays lesson pandemics is that much stuff from people such a great point Jordan and so true that as families as fathers and even our fathers.

I'm on fathers of the triplets so there five years old, which means having slept in five years.

Gordon said that's his panic to begin with, but as a relates to what you're saying there's been a 51% increase in inpatient hospitalizations among young people.

Just this year, the word, it turns out that panic is as contagious as any other pathogen, and the problem is we have way too many believers who want to live in truth and inside living in truth and living in panic, they need to live in shalom. So my new book is going to show people unleashing peace how to unleash peace in their family in their lives in some of the secular family knows a lot about, but it's kind of mysterious word a lot of followers of Jesus. This whole word shalom. It's so much more than a greeting is an what it would be because it means hello goodbye, and peace. Depending on the context.

I would answer this in your mind that is her when you start writing this book was a purported pandemic agreement that is the great question Jay. I started writing this, but we been asked thousands of questions in our organization. Christian thinkers society. The number one question that I have been asked by Christians of all denominations here Canada and the United Kingdom is how we can respond to the mental health and mental pain crisis. That's my number one questions. I started writing it before the pandemic and as God would have it, this book is emerging as we Lord willing. Hopefully merchants pandemic gets unleashing peace and holding my hands and for those who are watching. I experiencing God shalom in your pursuit of happiness can be. However, books are so so every purchaser books that tomorrow on Tuesday and I get a few in places like Amazon as well online at to learn about I Jeremiah 2's tour the country you go to Christian thinkers.com it's not again denominationally erosion when I speak to all the dominant we really come from a theological background in apologetics background so want people to because the word itself right shalom peace is either its use throughout the Bible is the 550 times right but it's translated different ways throughout the time and on top of that, I would stress to the effect I feel like people have baby during the pandemic. Maybe because appellants lasted but there was a time when people were talking about the mental health and then it became something right, encouraged, and that's a good thing is even our churches.

Sometimes you feel like that's kind of a taboo issue top right Christians don't gossip register per request.

Right now, that's a huge problem and I think that ACLJ in many ways personifies this whole notion that we can live in peace. We can flourish.

It's that Hebrew term 550 times throughout Scriptures as he said Jordan we can live in peace. We can look because when we live in peace.

Peace is always attached to Jesus Christ who is truth and so when we stand for truth. It doesn't mean that we don't fight our battles, but we can do so we can fight any adversity with the piece with the shalom of God, but we've got to get it like I'm a thinker, our ministries, Christian thinker society. By the way, when everyone in our ministry would not exist. Was there some the things ACLJ in the secular family does behind the scenes I Jay Sekulow believed in me before I believed in myself so I can't thank God enough for Jay Sekulow.

Our ministry now is international helping Christians think and believe and believe in thinking it is Christian thinker society, we can't feel our way out of the problems in our culture spacing with the think our way out of these compliments you but you decide I'm a member, the infancy days of the Christian thinker society. Remember, you came to our office right on the down the street before moving to this great facility. What was the impetus for starting that. I think people that I think as it ties into this book right will is people asking all the time. JI became my ministry before ever had one. I have so many holes in my own faith that I need to fill the gaps and then I realize that Sunday morning wasn't enough. Pastors need help and we needed Christian thinkers in low and end in medicine when needed. Christian thinkers in law and so I feel like our ministries filling a unique unique gap because were church centric, but J through your leadership and people like your mentorship in my life, I've learned how to how to sit at that intersection of both the scholarly and the popular world. And here's the deal about Christianity that were up against total secularism right now that is our biggest competitor and so Christians if were not thinkers.

If were not able to have a conversant faith and right now in the common shalom were not can be successful.

Sharing the greatest message that's the gondola case, keep telling everybody member and been doing this a long time practicing law for 40, 42 years coming up, and for our ACLJ's business organizations been around for 35 years but look this generational shift. But, right, and the women troubling things is been the most of the I hate to say this because I represent a lot of their friends. My long ministry generational shifts not been so great.

That's right, we in a week. I'm not saying we pride ourselves on that we you know I started thinking about that 10 years ago right to think as I do that so seeing young people when I say young people visited same age as Jordan and Logan my kids taking the leadership of these issues and these organizations I think is really great I don't encourage people also get the book think it's out tomorrow, so we all know how that works is all done box. Tomorrow is a really big day for Jeremiah and we currently by Amazon and that you have peace and make sure that you also have some sales that I want to encourage people there and that's what side mission thinkers.com see because you can also people if you want to bring you to the church absolutely, and will get started denominationally when Braden praised her all that. What will people learn if they if they buy this book there to learn the immediate steps that can get past bumper sticker theology past soundbite theology. We all need a plan for shalom in our life. Paul sums it up in Philippians 4, eight and 32 words it's anchored by the word think and he sums up how we can have a plan for shalom. All of us need it when needed in our lives when needed and with God first peace with God through Jesus Christ we need in our families and my books can guide you by the hand, how to have peace in shalom right now even in the midst of all the panic that's out there. You never hold up against direct seek.

The book looks likes. If you go online and there is honest report for people who watch the broadcast few listings out again unleashing peace, Jeremiah Johnston and also I get if you go to Christian thinkers.com. If you're so… I hate I'd like to bring my church unit that's again he's in studio initiatives at a church yesterday at Final Cut. A question on this too is and I don't have talked a little bit, but the idea here that peace doesn't mean you're just chilled out and not engage right right Paul. Paul in second Corinthians. The word trouble comes up 12 times Jesus John 16 in this world enough trouble the first place that shalom really pops up in the Bible.

Jordan is in Judges chapter 6 Gideon you know he's summary probably shouldn't be. God shows up and he says, Lord, if you're with me. While these problems happening in my life. He actually interrupts the Lord and the Lord said, I will be with you and he called that place in Judges 6, verse 24 the Lord is shalom and here's the key Jordan and this is where I think ACLJ personifies shalom. He still had to go fight his battles, but he did so with the peace of God, so the Lord is shalom and then he went and he fought the Midianites for truth encourage everybody to book is called unleashing peace and got up on the screen right now Amazon and Barnes & Noble where ever you buy your books and go to Christian thinker society's website by this book, unleashing peace, experiencing God shalom in pursuit of your happiness. Jeremiah Johnson's book, let me tell you it was a big day for book sales. Every time there's a Tuesday and we can as every week sale and this is an important and we were encouraged to get here I got I think a lot of our listeners right now young people are spirits and health crisis. It's real it's in our church is ethical. We can all benefit peace in our life and an understanding of how to get there as well. Jeremiah fishing get on with this letter is unleashing peace, experiencing God shalom your copy preorder today by the American Center for Law and Justice were engaged in critical issues at home and abroad for limited time you can participate in the ACLJ's matching challenge for every dollar you donate, it will be managed $10 gift becomes $20, $50 gift becomes 100 you can make a difference in protecting the constitutional and religious freedoms to you and your family.

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Listen, if you're supportive ACLJ's, you know, we've been saved ACLJ throughout that this pandemic at a time of crisis, but it's also good impacts people at a personal level and organizational levels. Yes, personal level, absolutely.

And it's not severe to be ashamed about and you could talk about but also if you're looking for to have a plan that's what I thought it be great to have him on this. Especially this season which puts a lot of stress on ever if everyone with the holidays when you add a pandemic in it's that much more stress and what it's continued on and it's up impacting kids impacting young people and families across the country. I would people talk about that on radio shows a TV you know that there type of real people who are experiencing life-changing negative events and and because there's a lot of it can be difficult to find where it was a way out effort for everybody and had a kind of process all the information every single day. But again, if the it's a good company to our work will be talked about with Kevin from Heritage foundation, which is that the work continues and that you've gotta be able to adapt, but also to get you about a lot of things that West McCarran wanted type adjustment would we be talking about the loss of that.

We filed the documents and internationally was. We just had on nine Jeremiah Johnson the percentile broadcast is book is called thorns and unleashing peace. But you know I was thing about this is were talking Kevin with the parents foundation about this loss with audience mandate, but that the that gangsta level right now in your pastor is as high as I can ever remember people are on edge. They really really truly our own image.

It's it's like were being robbed of our peace, from so many different angles.

So many different levels.

If the tense time for for all people I think is especially tense time for people of faith truly is. It's interesting you know it's if you put all this together meet Heritage foundation never filed a lawsuit in their history. They found one which were representing Mona against the mandate that tells you something that you know them and then they came out they were in favor. The man of the of the vaccine and they were yeah they were ex-supporters of the project works. The idea is the leash is if they take that with me. If you unleash which there about unleased corporate America you undertake those that the rights of bureaucratic restraints off. You can accomplish amazing things and remember that was the left.

At the time the said no way you'll never build a get this done. You can't really do this.

This will be in people's eyes for years if not a decade so and that it was groups like here's her segment of that's not the case. If you allow these companies were this finds the but there is not enough to sponsor them but but to do their work and not have to get through all the red tape because this is a unique situation right. Look what look what are corporations and look what Americans can or cannot is what so I mean I think any one of the takeaways in all of this over the last year and 1/2 of dealing with this was the removal of the barriers resulted in a vaccine being created and other therapeutics in literally is present from you, St. workspace works. That's right was like I think Pres. Tom did was show that you can amass the resources together in a free society, medical science, and so forth and do these things in a tremendously expedited fashion in the guided way here. That's kind of the way the American system was really designed to be. I think that is true, but I think there are some hiccups on the way in part because rather than persuading individuals. We have often decided to substitute authoritarianism, which then raises the level of resistance, distrust and distrust yeah I think that's what you know all of the rights of vaccine are high. Now they're getting there, and that the lines now they say are long because of this new variant. The truth of the matter is some of this does increase resistance, which I think is tragic for those people that my own family.

My brother the federal about this why Heritage decided to step into this battle to say listen, you start doing the first law if you do this to Vaccine part is to hold the power to the federal government and another one of their bureaucratic branches. This OSHA start mandating and issuing mandates initially tied to this you have to do it employer or refined I which is not the way that usually federal government had to operate even with things like the speed limit and had to go back. I some benefit states receive in this situation. It's very different than your state your locality where you choose to live making decisions at that level so I can pretty check out Bovard would have paid ACLJ the American Center for Law and Justice were engaged in critical issues at home and abroad. Whether it's defending religious freedom.

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This happened the bite out under the Obama administration was Crimea. It was annexed with little more than I hands up in the air from the world and it condemnation, but yet that battle has continued on live firefights have continued on since the leave the Obama years and now approved is amassing 175,000 troops recently surrounding Ukraine's land borders and is made a threat to the United States that I'm going in.

Unless you signed an agreement which I measure.

The President has the authority to do but but but you have to sign the agreement that you will never allow Ukraine to become a member of NATO is trying to block the NATO alliance for extending to Ukraine so West Col. Smith what is that mean for the rest of NATO and for the rest of the world will witness a bully and he perceives this is his time to act.

I don't think he really really wants to invade Ukraine others likely he will but he wants to put leverage on the United States and on NATO to back off because we've expanded NATO since the fall of the Soviet Union. He wants that to stop. But not only that he is not only calling for some written guarantee that we will not expand NATO as if the United States makes that call the NATO alliance.

They vote on who joins NATO is not just up to – – but he wants that assurance because were influential but not only that, he also wants in writing from Pres. Biden that we will no longer do joint military exercises in Eastern Europe and that we will not do joint military exercises with Ukraine and Georgia as if President Clinton gets to control the deployment of US forces, but it is his attempt to bully he perceives. I think this is the contact for a couple of reasons. J1 your he perceives Joe by Newsweek elixir. What happened in Afghanistan. He thinks he can get away with this, but also because of Pres. Biden's tacit approval of the North stream to pipeline food and also realizes that he hasn't Europe over a barrel that they need his gas and oil, and he can cut it off at some point if we continue to go through this.

The good news. If Biden would take advantage of it is that the North stream to pipeline is not a done deal yet and we could yank our tacit approval of this and really punish Russian. That way, but in the meantime, Putin is a bully and he he probably unless he gets his way will invade Ukraine and here's the thing Jessica stopped there from Olga okay the ramifications of of the Russian government authorizing the military. Andy, you just in our European Center for Law and Justice offices to authorize the invasion of Ukraine would be a monumental shift not only in in in government, but in threat. I mean, it would increase the angst level. I said that a couple times today for the rest of your of course it does because I mean here's one sovereign state, basically invading another sovereign state which has been given auto stealthily in terms of its church by the grammatical patriarch which means that the West has tacitly recognize the right of the Ukrainians not to be invited to have their own church separate from Moscow. This is anchored Putin substantially as well. But think of the idea that the Russians are going to basically turn 175,000 troops on the Ukrainians. In addition, J to the fact that there is basically 1/5 column in the Ukraine of pro-Russian supporters who are going to be giving aid and comfort to that invasion of plan if it ultimately occurs it set a clear-cut line of like Ukraine.

All Ukrainians are opposed to Russia in Russia so there's also the idea that internally that you could put pressure on the borders.

He also internally that enough with a power change yet a put a different leader in there who might be pro-Kremlin and it accomplishes effectively the same idea release puts it on the path because in a concert coming up with agreements to limit their authority and rejoin some kind of union went with Russian's ability to understand that there actually is, as you just mentioned Jordan there is there is within Ukraine, a populace that is very pro-Russian is that's where they came from. That's that's their their language. Language that's there model a lot of that's their faith, so Harriet you've got this unique external internal struggle going on here, which makes the whole Russia move even much more difficult globally. I think that is true and so that provides a strong incentive for Mr. Pruden to invade or at least to threaten to invade it's important to keep in mind that America faces unprecedented low point in US and Russian relations. So the question really becomes will the US pursue sanctions if Russia invades my view is as follows. Who is looking for understanding in the domain of NATO, which actually means. Putin is looking for Biden to K. This bullying pattern in the face of fecklessness by the US authorities is consistent with the Obama Biden approach, which concentrates on never giving up an opportunity to surrender in exchange for what a fig leaf. This is a get it if it is something to the idea that Ukraine was right on the edge of joining data just to understand this retired admiral bite number four. Ukraine is already in what's called a membership action plan which is kind of please step toward eventually gaining full membership in NATO so that train has left the station, if you well on what is trying to do is scare the Ukrainians into essentially pulling back from that process.

Doing everything he can to intimidate them and the dangers of taco brick over and over again the dangers of rewriting European borders to become a gimmick. You could open that door and the door stays open and you got all these different to be ethnic, religious groups who have been able to live in peace since World War II tool to a sword that we saw the fall of the Soviet Union and now we start to see that we didn't get the egg.

This is a bit like a a cold conflict. This is been an active conflict since the Obama years firefights of continued on its affecting people inside it deep inside Ukraine, including give and it's divided the nation. But it also then you look you look at other these especially former Soviet state central European countries. While the church say we want to divide this to we want to separate your out and you can also start disrupting those who are already members of NATO that the entire alliance already.

Pruden is doing just that Belarus is having a conflict on the border with Poland, which used to be part of the Soviet bloc.

They now are a member of neck and so Putin is supporting Belarus because Belarus because they objected to the EU sanctioning them because of their controversial, probably illegal Presidential election. Last year they were actually flying in asylum-seekers from the Middle East to Murmansk and then encouraging to cross the border into Poland so so Putin is a part of that is willing. Here's the interesting thing about better. He seeks to be a destabilizing influence in Europe and succeeding at it is already divided the US and part of a like Germany alone. The gas an old issue, but right now is Foreign Ministry office yesterday said that if they were to invade Ukraine. It would be defensive in nature, much like Hitler said when he invaded Poland in 1939 that somehow another rush is not the threat.

He says Ukraine is the threat, but it's interesting so I was just a magician asked this and that is what is the impact of this kind of move on.

The rest of Europe and because that is where you wonder that because Putin is thinking this through. So what is the next ply here.

While that's the question what is the next play Ukraine. Now, what's next Romania. I was going to restate the of the Warsaw Pact are we going to re-capture the polls. Are we going to go into Slovakia and the Czech Republic. This is the apprehension that people fear of an expansive Putin policy and the intimidation. The general of the admiral 70 Lisa spoke about and that it what it what it what is it what is he going to do and what is the United States going to do in response. So he's doing everything he can to intimidate the Ukrainians and I think he may be succeeding in that intimidation. What we come back to break this is what point MFT in its case. A careful part of the United States because we know there are other countries. It's especially China who want to take be the world's leader… Yet this is the superpower in the world but stilt at this moment is not France, it's not that even Ukraine itself because the divisions inside, not Germany.

It's not the EU even combine. It is up to the US Putin. It is his only final concern is what the US might do, not a positive note that underscores our power and standing in the world still to this day, but with each time you draw a redlines and don't don't stand up for and don't really talk. The American people about what's going on their achievement before that only under understand why they should care why this impact US was that NATO right there different treated NATO with Ukraine on the border of Russia and a strong independent Ukraine and or a Russia expanding its territory getting closer and closer today. That's what you're talking about. There's also the idea here of present mindset. Stop this, there are ways to do it but he hasn't laid out what any of those ways are not enough to get a lot of pushback in all that we are working ACLJ.org only one.

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Not only that right now we have sanctions against some of the oligarchs in Russia because of the invasion of Crimea function. Russia completely remove Russia, which we held this threat over turkey when Petrobras was being held in that is remove Russia from the international financial banking system which we we can actually do that it would cripple Russia's economy it would cripple Putin's personal wealth, but that's the kind of thing we can do in addition to the pie plan. We could also you know expedite Ukraine's request to be a part of NATO instead of backing away which Putin is demanding our troops on the eastern part of Europe put more US troops and other allied troops and in Eastern Europe. We can take a strong stand.

It would get Putin's attention, but you have to be Frank you have to be in his face and I am not sure that Pres. Biden has the will to do that. But there are actions we can take that would scarcely cripple and he knows that if we would do it in one of the unique things about the Americans are for Law and Justice are global affiliates is rambling to be this kind of analysis in depth on something that can impact everybody. If this happens I just asked Harry Hutchison of Prof. Hutchinson during the break.

What is Putin's goal here. What's the motive what's he trying to do here.

So how much a really respond on. Thanks, Jamie. I think Putin's long-term objective is to crack up NATO and then to destroy the European community and I think now is an ideal time to advance that agenda. Why because we have an administration that has demonstrated its lack of will, its unwillingness to exercise power to advance US interests, its unwillingness to impose sanctions, its unwillingness to send more troops to NATO and so if you combine that with of the Afghanistan disaster. The withdrawal the fact that there are still Americans being held essentially captive in Afghanistan. If you combine that also, with our response to Chinese aggression.

I think if I were at an advisor to put and he has this particular objective in mind. This could be a fantastic time to move forward, at which be dangerous. I think day since a very dangerous precedent, but I got explain something to my manager this Ukraine is very unique and in the separation of church and state does not exist there now so that fact is there are loyalists with in Ukraine to Moscow, which said that before shift understand the complicated nature of this history that's exactly right. Jane, if you look at the history the realists.

The Russians were Christianized in the year 988 by the apostles, the missionaries sent from Constantinople, Cyril and Methodius to where they send them to Key Avenue in what is now the Ukraine and Prince Vern Vladimir was looking for a faith for his people and he decided in on orthodoxy instead of Catholicism and he sent contingents of people to ease both Constantinople and Rome and Rome and Constantinople impressed him rather more than Rome and they came to KF in the Ukraine and baptized his people in mass baptisms. So Putin's got a historical argument for the legitimacy of saying Ukraine is the hard of Russia and our Christianity. And that's the argument that he is pushing and believe me we may not see that her understand that in the United but it's so very much a part of this, but how dangerous Wes quickly is this move of pollutants with the world saying don't do it and he does it anyways. If he does danger to him and it so that the rest of the world, like I think it could be very destabilizing to the world but unfortunately probably not as destabilizing as we might wish it would be for the whole situation or would not happen because who is banking on the fact that if he does this, that there will be no action about the Western world and what would really really make this more complicated if somehow there is a coordination between China and Russia so that in the same time that Putin invades Ukraine China invades Taiwan and meanwhile Iran is getting ready to have a nuclear weapon. I mean the world is on the brink of some unprecedented unrest and threat. So to answer question J yeah it would it would say would add to the threat.

We arty face, both from Taiwan's aggression and from around. I think that some made this is a major story and that the deal is this that we we heard from Anatoly Baker Sec. state this what he said.

I think this underscores what we are time hourglass retired military retirement of Andy, the native what was on the option the table for is imbibing other than US military action which is not really on the table thankless by 25 with Medicare the Kremlin that we will respond resolutely including with a range of high-impact economic measures that we've refrained from using in the past, so to talk about is the idea that if if you draw the line and say if you do this, we will remove you from US banking US can do that unilaterally only the world world might be upset about that because and other interest but you've been willing to do it because we sought at a much smaller scale. Pres. Obama drawing the line in the sand redline in Syria with chemical weapons and then being unwilling to act on that. Not taking a step when they were use and then these dictators or authoritarian say okay. Given these threats that their meaningless threats that just just to talk to their own audience and I can really do that to us a part of what what Biden needs to make clear is that we have not only the capability to punish Russia if they do this you must convince Putin that he also has the willingness to punish Russia and that's the key question you and I and I don't inherit really quick here, but wasn't meant to go. Is that possible.

I think that's a difficult sell. And so I think it's important to distinguish between first-order effects and second-order effects.

So if the United States responds with economic sanctions on Russia. Then the question becomes what will put in to max and I think he would be prepared to hold Europe hostage to a very cold winter by shutting off in Utah's gas and any images that are your peanuts and lettuce in Strasburg… Sin is not getting the attention that it probably needs to be getting these to be getting a lot more attention, but they're more interested in talking about the friend sending over migrants to from Dunkirk into the cliffs of Dover and whether or not the Belarus in the polls vibrant situation should be glad I rather than global. Paul rather than a shift in the balance of power in Europe.

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