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DANGER: China and Iran unite in $400 Billion Dollar Deal

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DANGER: China and Iran unite in $400 Billion Dollar Deal

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March 29, 2021 1:00 pm

Today on Sekulow , we discuss the dangerous $400 billion deal between China and Iran. We are also joined by ACLJ Senior Advisor for National Security and Foreign Policy Ric Grenell.

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SICU endangers hundred billion dollar deal between China and the Islamic Republic of Iran will talk about that more today on secular Washington DC phone lines are open for your questions right now called one 806 843-110-1800 68412, your host, secular secular. We are to your phone calls 184, 31, two, that's 106 fourth 110 over the weekend. It was announced by China and Iran there to four ministers were together in Tehran, a $400 billion deal. That's over 25 years aimed at Iran's infrastructure, but I think the bigger point to make here is that China is unilaterally making this deal they were part of the initial countries you 5+1 of the wood together that nuclear deal with Iran that it they are agreeing with Iran. The should be no negotiations with the United States or the Biden administration until all sanctions on Iran are lifted. It's also a plate by China to see if secondary sanction. So to say that they could be doing this oil business with Iran and that that would bite would kick in sanctions against you with those even be enforced against Trident and how would they be enforced unilaterally by the United States or even globally by the United Nations.

Is there the stomach to do that.

So this is another major move by China to establish itself on the world stage, even going so far as to say that they would host negotiations between Israel and the Palestinians. This is look this is the Chinese government again that the Chinese Communist Party.

To be clear, making a play for dominance at now in the Middle East, not $400 billion is a lot of money but it's not enough of reconciling the economics of the stock undo the disaster economy that Iran is, but they also agreed to by the Royal that changes the equation significantly for you to get into this in great length because it shows you another play by China X and undercutting of US interests. Try to put United States on the sideline and then the question is the Biden administration fractions and bind the will of the Chinese go back into Bob Wessel Matthew, this was Mr. Barber, the Chinese go back into the joint.

The JCP away what they want. Yeah exactly the great disrupter you know and their intentions. You know you are always doubted as well. What this does J it is it it provides funds to a rancid, they can keep exporting terrorism and in supporting their proxies. This the funds are supposed to be going towards technology infrastructure and what have you but we all know that Iran has a bad past record of how they use bonds that were designated for something else. And of course funds are fungible, they can use them whatever they want to. Here's the two main things that concerned me about a J and that is it undercuts a rant of the US's attempts to keep Iran isolated in order to get them to negotiate and to keep them from acquiring in the US possible get into the details of this commitment.

But as I give everybody's also to George for trial is proceeding right now.

Now the only thing that's going on so far has been there and break right now and he is the opening statement and he's a former prosecutor and defense lawyer.

I prosecuted independent as well. The opening statements are the be kinda set the stage unilaterally with happy events front the purpose of her opening arguments and so the prosecution and the defense can say what they expect the evidence to show it is not evidence in the case.

It is simply their attempt to inform the jury and the court as to what they expect the evidence and testimony, both from the stand from live witnesses and from documentary evidence is going to show sometimes it does show what the will of the opening statements you intend and sometimes it does not. It's not evidence, not have evidence comes when the witness report will get into all that, and the documents obviously yeah exactly. So again if you touch their way hundred 684 31 to the 2064 3110 record now will be joining us in the next segment to talk about this ideal between Iran and China. What it means for the US what it means for the Biden administration and of course the Middle East a new play by China to assert its power of the global state and get a three. It backs up what we heard from Pres. Biden is first press conference was that China expressed to him very clearly that they were making a to become the world superpower sometimes but all that way hundred 6430 went to a matching child's coveted in the end of month mark. Time to donate online@wimpactordonationaclj.org that's ACLJ.org.

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It's a growing crisis and so well. All of these politicians in DC's keep same look over there, look at Russia look at that China loves it and that's the Beijing line is to say, look at Russia week. We have to be very clear about what this deal between China and Iran needs and means that China is going to be funding terrorism. This regime in Iran is is a regime that has been caught funding terrorism, even after they signed the JCP away.

We caught them in Europe.

The Europeans need to understand that this is a regime that has been funding terror terrorism on their soil. So let's be very clear about this engagement idea is is what China wants because they just want to sell products that impair their selling to terrorists. See also seemed to be Rick. I this I see the Foreign Minister of China. These interviews it a lot a lot more slick foreign policy wise a lot more confident for policy having the state was there making an agreement with Iran like the UST to give up all vexations unilaterally and so now Iran has a partner in this move to say yeah the US if you can or if you can even sit down the table within the bag of other sanctions. In part two of this. It seemed like China is supplanting Russia in the Middle East that that this is a much bigger superpower with a lot more money to throw around and he's not just going to Ron Beasley go through the Gulf states as well. I'm sure to try and undermine what was done in the Abraham courts clear that China is becoming more brazen. It's almost like they think that the United States is weakened right now and that they can stand up and say really outrageous statements cut outrageous deals and get away with it and I think the reality is is that they can we have a team that wants to engage with China and what we have to be clear about this engagement is a good thing and sometimes engagement works but engagement is a tactic. It's not the goal, and I'm concerned that for Joe by engagement is the goal having a meeting is the goal they keep celebrating the idea that were going to sit down and talk.

That doesn't produce anything that's a tactic to get us somewhere but the big need of the discussion is what you do when you sit at the table and how are you going to get the Chinese to back down and not be funding terrorism with with this Iranian is really record what they're doing. This $100 million for the fund that's a China China money says we said sponge also recommend moving to other forces.

I cannot believe that the Chinese government would've done this if you and the previous ministration were still in power because the risk factor with the US would be so great. But here, like you said, the desire to engage is so paramount to the minister the divine administration that the dumpster, the Chinese made the calculus and said nothing to do anything to say hey Junior given $400 million that might impact the sanctions we had on. I can tell you what the Chinese do they go to the Europeans and they say hey let's just talk. We should all sit down and talk and let's have consensus in Europeans love that by the way, Germany, the largest economy in all of Europe is desperate to start trading with the Ron so you've got a sympathetic ear in Chancellor Marco to engage and start selling products to Iran. But let's be clear. Let let's play the European game is by the Western alliance. This Iranian regime pushes gay people, outbuildings, they systematically are human rights abusers. They deny their own people to be on social media talking freely and greatest sizing the government but they are on twitter there on Instagram there on social media as VIP leaders as the elites, but they deny their people basic human rights on a daily basis not to add to that list and you know this. Could you help us work on the resolution of this babe they jailed American or are dual citizens Iranian American citizens or American citizens about Iranian margin that were in Iran. Starting churches and put them in jail with impunity and intellect to get them out under the deer ministration was a lot easier than let me just cite the predecessor to your administration which was nearby.

We did get about it, but it took four years but you're right, systematic human rights abuser but yet you know what fascinates Venice West met this from a military standpoint, the military alliance here also makes me a bit nervous. Don't mix, let's do it.

Just the idea of the truck because were we been in other parts of the world in especially in Africa, Chinese influence is huge. It is huge in and out of this 18 page draft of this agreement that was released to the media are leaked to the media that some of the most disconcerting things about it from a military standpoint, is that a part of this agreement with Iran and China states that starting now, they will begin military cooperation with each other. That includes J joint training research weapons development and also intelligence sharing, it could not do anything good coming out of that. I mean, I can imagine it's also I Rick there's a secondary part of this project. Secondary sanctions also is the idea that you're not supposed to be able to purchase this Iranian oil or train the Iranian oil, but is anyone to step up and enforce those sanctions on China client and answers now known as a step up because they're trying to get us even drop the original sanctions is a piece of good news here that I want to highlight in that now that China has come out completely in line with the Iranian regime. There are a whole bunch of Arab allies of the United States to see this is a terrible thing and I think it's going to cause Arab allies to to question whether or not they should be doing any business with China. China had come out swinging now for Ron and that's going to mean a whole bunch of Sunnis who are not happy right now is interest really interesting, not very point you will come from Missouri line 1 hip off hello guys, I would. All the genocide taking place and time again Muslims how the librarian by working with II don't get it clipped her playing chess similar looking Rick a lot of moves down the board here.

So the fact is slightly very clear. The Iranian the Iranian people. We have to make clear our amazing people. They have a culture that's highly educated. They have a welcoming culture and this Iranian regime is ruined that reputation far.

I think a very long time, and the Iranian people want to get rid of this Iranian regime because they want to get their reputation back.

You really have the courage were near enough, but one last question on this because I think I think it's important you know we talked about the influence of China here domestically.

Rick and the distribution centers that are now becoming Tennessee. By the way did cut the funding and allowing funding to the state universities of the governor here in Tennessee took some action but you know we got a federal lawsuit that you're aware that we filed against your old agency did the Nazis office director, national intelligence, US Department of State and the national security agency were adding the FBI to this goes back to barracks wall matter, but people need to understand that they have the Chinese government through their basically their espionage has reached into the highest level of government, including putting people in congressional offices. When that person is on the intelligence committee and still is to help people understand that they need to support ACLJ in these lawsuits because this is how were going to bring about truth in order to push back, but it's very clear that over the last couple of years, China has decided that spying and getting access to our local, state, federal politicians is their strategy. They have been successful at it.

They have infiltrated our our educational system and our political system we had to hold defensive briefings with members of Congress, governors and other elected officials to tell them what they're trapped in. Many times times they had they had no idea what was going on in other times they try to justify their behavior. So it's a scandal it's a crisis and we certainly need to call it out to be transparent about the money in our schools. Coming straight from China were to be getting into that Great Plains were to continue to do that if I can thinking about issuing state foyers at various universities and find out where the kind of funds are being utilized as ways to do that and people are not. This is one of the issues going on is the that was being done by the trumpet ministration. Now it's not.

It was all policy. That's why Tennessee's government to take action where you help that right Rick, we appreciate it is always and let me encourage everyone to do a rigid set of data support the work of the ACLJ we are mending our laws were… In the next segment of the broadcast remaining a lawsuit probably tomorrow, Wednesday probably will be amended this week that the FBI's are not complying either. That's the only way you get the truth support the work of the ACL tear matching challenge camping last Friday for the month of March ACLJ.org that's ACLJ.or any amount you donate horse's tax-deductible, but also is matched ACLJ dental only one.

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It's a long-term deal so forward thinking 25 years and I think what you are starting to see on the world stage. The sophistication of the Chinese foreign policy effort what they're putting in place to become as their goal, the world leader because the new superpower to supplant the United States which also encourages a form of government which is I get antithetical to everything we believe in. In the United States of America. The idea of representative democracy or freedom of speech. The ability to make decisions for yourself. It is a totally different worldview is a worldview that puts that the country before individual liberties and individual freedoms and admit and try this case is a political party in Iran's case it's an Ayatollah and you see how these bad actors will will easily work together with each other and put all the the things you think would be that make them different or supplant. I think also this is a weakness of Russian give their viewing. I think there I should try to get output of these displays in the articular Summaries, but the end of the day of the mother being supplanted in the Middle East because they don't have Been on the cash that the Russians don't have the financial resources off of the Chinese do now, having said that me tell you a couple things really get into exactly what's going on here and also as we been reporting there has been significant Chinese influence, even in the United States, even in United States government with commerce and we talked about that while we take it a step further than talking.

We filed a federal lawsuit that word and will him and that is because of the situation where an agent from the Chinese government can't Chinese commerce party was very close to Eric's while Walt Congressman member of the intelligence committee there were other representatives. All any other high-ranking members of the Senate had infiltration in their offices to but we filed a lawsuit against three government agencies in our bond that includes the US national security agency of DNI which is Rick Cornell hold office that offered a director of national intelligence, and that State Department and Andy were about to add the federal Bureau of investigation try. We want to get to the bottom of what went on with this relationship between fang fang, who was a communist Chinese operative. There's no doubt about that and the lengthy relationship that she had with Congressman's wall. Well any records of communications with her files regarding the documents in the custody of the NSA national security agency with a very large array of people in the United States Army. The directors of the intelligence and other agencies in the United States with respect to this fang fang in exactly what she knew what she was doing was well well we knew she was raising money for them.

We knew that we leave the students and on the students just as interns in the office and we want to know about it and were not going to take no for an answer going on, and may have started with the usual answer which is life there is no what we do. Our response to know is file the lawsuit now West Col. Smith.

You pointed out during the break was an interesting little trip or meeting between leadership within China and Iran right there. One of the things that the trust administration was successful in doing is helping the Gulf states and heir of nations to understand that we are their ally and their protector and have been for a couple of decades and that their number one adversary is not Israel but a Rand now that this agreement between China and Iran is going out the next schedule or the Chinese Foreign Minister this week for his trips is to go to the United Arab Emirates, Bahrain, Saudi Arabia, both countries because they I'm sure are very, very unhappy with this agreement because it is a is really, truly, this word is overused, but it is an excess natural threat. China and Iran are now together against these nations. The implications and ramifications of this just can't be overstated. The thing I think about to J China is our number one national security threat, partly because the military buildup. The theft of intellectual property economics. What have you. But now a Rand was number two. Now our number one threat. China and Iran have joined together to take a stand not only against America, but against American influence throughout the Middle East is very interesting you say that lien on Facebook just said feels like the global power structure is being reset and Kelly on Facebook Center look so weak on the world stage and that is that's exhibited both right and it is a it is a reset and that reset is dangerous, but here at work have to do this and working to get complicated. During week in a week. On top of this. These computer centers early because my Pompeo, our senior counsel for global affairs was on, and wasn't very play with what's going on here in in in various states. Now governors are taken action. We need to find out what these states in our country and these universities and find out the time between them and these computer centers, whatever they might be calling that is a mouthful of something else that is to be something worth finding out yeah exactly because I think what what you see is that this trump administration was putting in place a planet was going to make this have to be disclosed, and by the administration immediately reversed that policy of disclosure so you couldn't you have states like Tennessee you could come in and say that their state universities can no longer sit this is funny by the way that that that that would include the private universities there take the money to the states will do what they can add to keep these off campus. In some states of the tapping other states as well and moving forward with this move, but what is going on. How many professors are being bought off by the Chinese government or having their research funded by the Chinese government so that it is since they have a an incentive not to speak out or speak up and so this is a get this again Chinese putting in place very similar strategies to how the United States operated around the world with stress during the Cold War and putting in place. Again, yours Like that the media side the funding the University side and why don't you see more professors writing Seymour's expert speaking out against the Chinese, why does it take politicians and it's because of the money the money going right into the pockets of one of things and we have to look at is it with the federal level through FOIA in various states have open records act and find out what communications are going on between state universities and these computer centers Chinese it would limit probably the government itself is probably the center were to take a look at what we had to get what we talked about this this this open records practice of artist and is going to grow exponentially because and unfortunately or fortunately, depending how you looking at every day were coming up with a new one that needs to be looked at as working to get our teams moving on that because that's a big issue but that's how you do this you got up.

You gotta follow the money. That's right. And there is limitless. It seems money.

Monetary resources among the Chinese to perpetrate the in the institution of what they hope to be a new international order no longer led by the United States, which is generally guided we have by principles of democracy, respect for human rights and adherence to the rule of law. That's not the way the Chinese looking at it and there are state average of you mention each state has an open records law similar to the federal freedom of information act which we can use to determine exactly what these so-called cultural centers are at state universities, how they're funded who's teaching at them. What research is being done what products are being generated so that we can know on a state-by-state level exactly what's happening. This is something that can supplement our federal FOIA practice when we come back from the break room, redo the headline from the New York Times like just New York Times for picking up a list, even the mainstream media. This danger autocracies aligning that's exactly what were talking got a lot more to discuss. Share this with your friends stores lignite great matching child.

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Now it seems China is picking up that mantle.

So you get any did you have that gap for years worth Iran was cut off from the end's heavily sanctioned by the United States, where was basically a very difficult for him to do any legitimate business on the world stage and so economically they have been hurting with academically hurting course and that they are the money for the nuclear program. They are the monies to fund the terrorism and at the they also don't have the that they were caught up in a civil war in Syria. They had heavily involved in that Sulla body was taken out by the trump administration ahead of the Revolutionary guard I course, they think that there were a lot of obstacles in Iran. They were there continuing to be isolated on the world stage to be looked at as a pariah by those in the region, and no one was rushing to to again reenter the deal now. Rogers got this new partner with China and China is looking to make it more difficult actually for the Biden administration to do what they would like you, which is to get back in it it with a deal with Iran and how weak will the US appear if it bows down to the Iranian and now Chinese demand that all stations must be lifted less and that's part of what they have stated, China is actually going shoulder to shoulder with Iran now stated as a part of this announcement of the agreement that there should be no negotiations with the United States until all sanctions are totally lifted. You take this agreement and you combine it with Pres. Biden's apparent weakening of trump policies in the Middle East. It has large ramifications combined with the fact you know that that it is Pres. Biden himself who is express this almost completely illogical desire to negotiate with Iran and reenter the Iran nuclear deal almost at any cost. The ramifications are huge for this that this is one of the most troubling things that is come down the pike in the first 100 or so days of the Biden ministration and also on every news outlet in the country right now, a lot of them are covering the trial of George Ford is gotten underway and the opening statements are already complete.

We need to talk about folks understand it made watched it opening statements are not evidence the prosecution puts forward.

They expect to prove the defense puts forward what they expect to establish that's right, opening statements apparently have concluded in the case. Witnesses called and the first witness for the prosecution for the state has been called in the case and that means that it's moving along fairly quickly. Usually these murder trials take some time, but these are moving fairly quickly so you know, the prosecution is got to put of its evidence. At the conclusion of that. I'm sure the defense will make a motion to dismiss for failure to make a prima facie case out. The court will rule on that and if that's denied then the defense puts up its case, calling its witnesses may call the defendant may not cut well will not call the defendant in this case, but God cannot call the defendant in this case that's not permissible, but who will call witnesses and will see what occurs, yet the object obviously with the George Floyd's death from this, the evidence will end up being what people saw the defense experts will will defense will call experts to show what was going on, looked beaten. These cases are not easy either way. And this when the courses got national attention, which rightly deserves and it's going to be big working to get into that, at least to keep you posted on it. So Andy because he is a former prosecutor and former defense attorney not prosecuting defendant cases as well. Both sides were merely to be some analysis on that will not be covering it gavel to gavel is not what were doing on this broadcast where to keep you posted is obviously it's a major issue with the only statements are done so it's interesting that it's on the way back on the China Iran issue New York Times alliance of autocracies. China wants to leave the New World order subtitle as Pres. Biden predicts a struggle between democracies and their opponents.

Beijing is either is eager to champion the other side. This is again this night economically talk about his governments and art really representative of the people that are representative of a idea party and that for any kind of individual liberty exact opposite of how I would have United States will be right back. The American Center for Law and Justice were engaged in critical issues at home and abroad. Whether it's defending religious freedom. Protecting those who are persecuted for their faith. Uncovering corruption in the Washington bureaucracy fighting to protect life in the courts and in Congress ACLJ would not be able to do any of this without your support for that. We are grateful. Now there's an opportunity for you to help me way for limited time you can participate in the ACLJ's matching challenge for every dollar you donate $10 gift becomes 20 oh $50 gift becomes 100. This is a critical time for the ACLJ. The work we simply would not occur without your generous take coordinator matching challenge today make a difference in the protecting the constitutional and religious freedoms most important to you and your family. You forgive today online ACLJ only one. A society can agree that the most vulnerable invoice is, is there any hope for that culture to survive. And that's exactly what you are saying when you stand with the American Center for Law and Justice, defendant the right to life.

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She is a professor Chinese studies and so Chet is actually try to build an argument like were the more responsible power, not the spoilers are in ex vivo were more stable than the United States because in the United States give election to election and policies will change, but not with us because were to be consistent at the at the because we you can trust that were not in a change of policy because we have for the dictatorship reliable partners with her trying to become so. China's agreed to invest $400 billion in Iran over the next 25 years in exchange for oil to fuel its economy, which by the way, it is still growing. The deal will deepen China's influence without question, both in Iran. But of course also in the Middle East region generally that's while the United States policy was trying to isolate. They didn't do this under the previous administration, the Chinese government there brazen enough to do it now because there is no consequence Pres. Biden.

As you recall, offered to resume negotiations really want to get right into that the Chinese have now said no no no, the Chinese with the Iranians are saying this, get rid of the sanctions then maybe we'll come to the table but we know they been violating this agreement by other parties impart part of it, and Harry Hutchison's our director of policy at the ACLJ's also professor of law and economics and professor Hutchison. I look at the $100 billion which over 25 years is not that much money doesn't get them out of the economic problem, but it starts a process absolutely. So in some sense you can look at this particular deal as a catalyst for future development.

Long run, but to be sure that China, Iran deal which is worth 400 billion over 25 years.

I will deepen China's influence in the Middle East, but it's highly doubtful that this deal will significantly improve Iran's struggling economy. Remember, Ron is trying to recover from crippling sanctions. As a result of the United States decision during the trouble administration to withdraw from the Iran nuclear deal. So first let me suggest that this deal are likely signifies what has already been going on in other words, China has already been trading with Iran buying its oil either on the black market or through other avenues. Second, accepting the deal at its face value would mean an increase in per capita GDP of only about $150 per capita in Iran third in the Uranian economy in 2020 was estimated at around $610 billion in terms of GDP, and since 2018 when the US left the Iran nuclear deal.

The Iranian economy has been cratering and a rate of 5 to 20% a year with a rise in inflation rise in unemployment. Analyze in unrest which threatens the generally of the Uranian leaders but also should put no we should not feel good about that.

Well, it's only $400 billion because this is the Chinese Communist Party. Andy and they are not.

They know they got it. This is part of a long play here and they know exactly what they're doing to buy their influence in the not to give then I can get the Iranians billion dollars of not nothing I can do that.

This is how they're going to do with Sayers $400 billion rather upfront areas that will give you 20 billion and over the course of time and then another 20 billion but they can make and supplemented very easily that they were there they got the cash and the ability to do it.

I mean, there's no doubt about that. They have the financial ability to make themselves felt throughout the world and to realign the autocracies, which is surprisingly with the New York Times and said China wants to lead a new world order and they're very doing a very good job of putting that and that plan into operation. Pres. Biden notwithstanding saying that that's not can happen on his watch, that we are the most powerful country in the world. The US where the wealth is and were going to continue to grow and expand. Look at the Chinese are doing with the Iranians.

I mean this is this is contrary to what the President and his isolation. It seems to me mental isolation is trying to signifies not going to happen. The Chinese are moving and strengthening day by day will later produce a point of this is not so much the money it's the 25 year commitment Jordan that the Chinese are playing and we been to Beijing, we thought we we know that regime a little bit just from from legal issues and when working over the years that they play long ball here. This is they got a plan when we started doing work in Africa. You said the Chinese were building villages and towns in Africa will do the same thing in the Middle East by Yeah exactly that they take over put in their own workers and employees, but I think that that here is where we have to do you have to start looking at how the house United States, you undermine the Chinese.

So how do you make these countries realize it, they can't. You can't make a 25 year deal with the Chinese Communist Party because it any moment. They are not as stable as as they may appear to be any moment they could have again are popular uprisings lose control domestically, but you have to speak up about Taiwan here to speak up about Hong Kong. If you let those issues develop the way they have been developing let's steamroll their own people commit genocide and part of the region and you're not. You're not coming after them with with international criminal court subpoenas and trying to arrest their fish as they travel around the world, not putting in place the sanctions it that are available on their activities with Iran at I think the US is looking for a home very hard line policy to make it clear to the world that you can't trust the Chinese but you get with a 25 year deal or even a five year deal because it but right now they do look stable. They don't look like you in the in there looking more and more, I'd say slick if you is just a basic work more that you could tell they have a more developed form policy and a more educated team going around the world and are handed out money as they go.

You know it's interesting because Gareth which is not any great shock whose their foreign minister was very close with John Kerry having Gary still views him as an ally. I think he's just you know these it look the Iranian people I pilot bearing people are great.

The government is not. Here's what Zach said China is a friend for hard times. The history of cooperation between two ancient cultures RN and China date back centuries signing the cooperation agreement will further strengthen the ties of these two nations. Those are the words of the foreign minister Harry of of the Iran, absolutely.

And I think he is right, at least in one respect that this is a long-term strategic deal. Meanwhile, in the United States. We are not taking at least sufficient action to counter the deal and one of the ways of taking sufficient action to counter the deal is by reducing US dependence economically on China, which then weakens the Chinese economy and helps put the United States first, but the Biden administration has reversed a lot of trumps, policies, and hence the United States is actually in a weaker negotiating a position I would suggest this that the FM radio broadcast they Jordan that we get in touch with our office in Washington.

We got some new people that have joined us up there James ruckus who worked was a high-ranking official in the in the Commerce Department and others because commerce is what this is about for them. This is business and business means control means governmental influence. That's what this is and we need to have a unit within the ACL trade is focusing on China and very significantly because I think this is a note this is a serious man every day it's something new every day, every day, so they're launching you domestically and in their region that they display more more military firepower and put it on display for the world and in an and also taking out a form policy where our words are for policy where czarist State Department where artwork is where is Lincoln. Other being told off in Alaska at night, and conference tables by lower ranking officials in the front minister that's who's coming to me with the United States that that's in the form of this in the lower ranking officials and their being told off on camera that this was not where China was 20 years ago and it was it wasn't where any country was that was trying to do business with Iran, so clearly I'm writing us. This way they would never pull this deal with Iran under the previous demonstration. I just cannot wait know anyway because because the previous administration did not provide them with the stability they needed to make these kind of plants. They kept them on their toes constantly and I think the people we we hear people say of the truck. Michelle was tiring to see how how everything was handled the media think about what that did to the world. Those guys could make decisions for 20 years. Therefore, if you have 20 minutes because they saw what present tufted with turkey saw how we handle Juan and his team ready to cut them off completely and that the NATO ally, what would you do to an adversary right and what you care about that. We were having that conversation say that the title right.

That was good for their economy.

Civil just won't even forget is that even exist. That's the kind of thing we need to start only one.

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You forgive today online ACLJ we are 106 831, two, 364th 3110 I to your comes to Facebook and periscope. I limit limited amount of this thing which of them. As I said before the break every day were getting something of interest. You know this $400 billion here $400 billion there but here it's it's important because you've caught this law and economics international law. This is not just the money is just the front up for what's really going on underneath. And I think that's what we need to explain to your audience. What are the Chinese government, not the people the government of China. What are they up to their purchasing influence in the Middle East purchasing influence in Iran and the Iranians are quite willing to be if you will subsidize because this may, at the margin help with respect to their own military and strategic ambitions. So I think it's very, very careful. Important not to separate economics from China's strategic and military interests. They are all interlinked and I think it's impossible to separate all of that were going to increase our work in this area now. We've already talked about maybe the fact that we got an amendment torque a complaint, molded white man right here where this a complaint that the Americans have long just on federal court against the United States national security agency, the office of director of national intelligence of Rick Trammell's old office and the US Department state Mike Pompeo's old department, State Department and working to add the FBI. The reason is we want to find out what the FBI knew about swallows connections with fang fang, the Chinese Communist Party with interns in his office with them getting money for him and began putting people and placing people in positions of authority and were not going to take no for an answer this by simply them coming back and saying when I would only have the documents were not going to give you the documents. The documents pose a reason for national security to be invoked for any other bogus reason that they may poster there's another issue here, though it's working to get the lawsuit going at the party to the lawsuit were looking at maybe's doing this on a state basis as well.

Talk to your team about that when you find out about this economic influence or office in Washington between you said something earlier, we have an office and in Moscow that's affiliated with us is been fighting for religious freedom for for admit three decades, but the Russians have really taken a second place here and that's the economics of the reality that a month I got the knotted neck and not a major economic player compared to China.

I mean they don't have the same they don't have the same kind economic deals either she'll get a lot made in Russia and products at all and that that's not something that is commonplace anywhere in the world. There also using Chinese goods and goods from other countries and it an invoice up at what you have to Russia relation font better than that.

The US relation with anyone, but I think this is because the buying team thought they could come in interchangeable tone and and then not if they don't want to sit down at the table until release see if they could if they get that that's much better than a few billion dollars like they got into the initial nuclear deal where they had all those inspectors all over the place.

Even though they were really able to expect anything. It was still Illinois. The Iranians at they are now publicly flaunting that deal and selling off their oil to a country you could be completely totally sanctioning economically cut off by doing business with Iran, especially when it comes to Iranian oil and try to sing now publicly working to do this deal.

They're not worried about you and they're not worried about any world agencies or the US sanctions. I don't think you worry about unilateral sanctions either because the US can only go so far in cutting off China. Listen to this quote from Alex Rathi who is an economic out analyst for and was until recently a member of Arent Chamber of Commerce work for too long in our strategic alliances. We have put all our eggs in the basket of the West and it did not yield results. Now if we ship out policy and look at the East, it won't be so bad that tells you that in the end it's acknowledging that you look at the history of this that the Chinese try to do this in 2016. That's when the JCP away was going on. Then they tried a little bit during the trumpet ministration when they realize they may really backed up and because the idea that the Chinese were it's start meddling with Iran with the United States policy when going to happen.

But as soon as they saw the opening with the election as soon as they sought the same things like now if we ship policy and look at the East, it won't be so bad. Jess and I think that's a very, very perceptive comment, particularly in light of this back we should keep in mind that China is completely dependent on men East oil production that's number one number two we should keep in mind that the United States under the Biden administration is moving toward advancing what might be called a climate change agenda in which US production of fossil fuels is will decline. Guess what this advances China's interest and its ability to influence Iran because Iranian oil production becomes more and more important on the world stage so all of these things kind of coalesce to advance a Ron and China's hegemony and they are going to continue to cooperate and these are ancient cultures, ancient cultures, there was we did up a big research project on this at our Oxford center years ago published a book about this and if you look at Iran and you look at China.

There was the famous tiltrotor mixed commerce that silk Road ran through chip from China to Persia right this is nothing new. These are not new allies. These are not newly forged relationships. The Chinese and the Persians have had ancient ties. They're not just being re-engendered under the guise of Beijing's ambition to be a global leader of nations that opposes Washington and its allies, and what this shows with Iran. The deal is increasing confidence and an unapologetic China and other words one that refutes American criticism of its internal affairs and presents its own values as a model for others to the aliasing to stay do that to try and make themselves look like the people at that that was just these are basically street thugs who came to power the ayatollahs.

No one special his leadership are literally street thugs there from the some of the more uneducated people in Iran who are leaving Iran now and the league of their own schools. The Chinese yesterday some of them have been educated in the United States now but notice they would tout that over being educated anywhere in China still to this day, or tout your being educated anywhere else around the world, but they are stare street thugs. They are not as at they were going to go. I think they usually want to talk about these ancient histories, but as Rick said date at Ricky Nelson, the Persian idea of Persian idea has been trampled.

Iran now and thinks Persian history rightly think religious fanatics psychotic leadership and a base of people, which obviously some of them don't disagree with that psychotic leadership know there is a big group does, but they are not powerful enough to overthrow the government on their own so they're not that big and and so for how long do we let these kind of people play this culture card that is that is bogus and that's it. That's a point that is gather the United States. Claudia asked this and in the answer. This is will see can we expect some sort of economic retaliation from other nations in the leasable Chinese buy them off as well brackets.

I think the rich right that we give the sanctions that should ultimately snap it automatically will be applied disabling China because of that, because if you much reliance on the on the trait too much reliance business folks don't forget our matching challenge.

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