We Will Not Be Silenced Interview Part 1

Rain forests looking to Jesus, founder and perfecter of our culture is too far gone to reclaim so when loser wants to reclaim the church, even as the church buys into a decaying culture. That's why he's written a new book. We will not silenced responding courageously to our culture's assault on Christianity today all about the Moody Church in Chicago this morning to win with Dr. Sir was clear teaching helps us make it across the finish line.

Now along with Pastor Larry McCarthy here is Pastor loser will this is Pastor Luther and I definitely want to welcome you once again to the ministry of running to win today.

We have a very special program God has enabled me to write a new book entitled, we will not be silenced responding courageously to our culture's assault on Christianity. I believe very deeply that the issues that are discussed here are so relevant to our culture that we can't overlook them. We need to be able to understand these issues and also to respond to them. Once again, I welcome here to the studio are good friend and pastoral staff member Larry McCarthy Larry here at the Moody Church is responsible for compassion ministries but also local outreach and he has a number of other responsibilities here at the church and is always welcome and were so thankful Larry that you're with us. Well, it's good to see you again Pastor Luther and I'm honored to be here. What one great topic that mean and so relevant some much needed today.

Some I'm here to get going. Let's do it. So let me just ask you first of all we will not be silenced, whose Louis that we actually Larry is the church. I did not write this book in order to reclaim the culture I want to be pessimistic, but I think we're past that we've crossed too many boundaries too many barriers.

The question is how do we reclaim the church because I see in today's world.

Often times, the church is buying into the culture rather than standing against it. The other thing that happens with the church is it doesn't know how to respond to these issues were caught in a difficult dilemma. On the one hand we want to come across as very loving and very accepting at the same time we have certain things we have to stand against the question is how do we achieve that balance and this book was written in order to help us to do that on a variety of different issues while so thank you for explaining what it is that you want to accomplish, but I need to ask in chapter 1, you talk about Marxism and you raise this issue of cultural Marxism. Can you please prepare for me this is so critical to understand what's happening here in America. Marxism itself is the supremacy of the state over the individual marks looked at the fact that workers were being exploited. There was no way for them out supposedly and so his view was if the state captured the means of production and the economy. This stage could hand out benefits and so forth and wages equally and fairly. Now the problem was that when the revolution happened in Russia and so forth.

People were so angry with their leaders and so forth.

So the idea rose look. We need Marxism, but cultural Marxism says we can do this without a major revolution we can do this incrementally.

All that we need to do is to take care of the educational system we have to be able to have laws that promote our agenda. We need politicians that you know promote our agenda so Marxism can take over in a way that will make people very happy with it. Once they see its benefits you mentioned in the book that their five cultural institutions that cultural Marxism is seeking to capture need it. Family, social, political, educational, and religious, absolutely. In fact, the one that I want to pick on to talk about is the family marks believe that standing in the way of this wonderful revolution was the family and the reason is because number one rich people could pass on to their children, their wealth, and that was unfair. Also the other problem is women were being abused or what shall I say they were being subjected to their husbands and so they were being oppressed and now of course we know that depression often happens and that Marx was legitimately concerned about the oppression.

His answer was totally wrongheaded because you see, once the state you have of the state taking over all of these things would you have after that is the fact that you have a regime that is even more oppressive than the previous one. Were going to have to come back to this topic. Also, because this is part of the revolution that Is Taking Pl. in America today as you have these people looting and burning buildings and demonstrating thinking if we were in charge there would be equality but the fact is, there won't be because of human nature that something Oregon have to talk about because in the book. I also have a chapter on socialism where were going to get into this in more detail really appreciated you outlining those five cultural institutions because I get it makes you pause to think about, culture pushes against family and even the social issues and political and educational and and and even religious you offer up this explanation on another subject, you say we can't rewrite the past to control the future. That's actually the next chapter.

I'm so glad that you brought it up because what I mean is this. There is in America today. The idea that we have to destroy our Judeo-Christian heritage and the reason that it needs to be destroyed is because it was racist and we know that racism existed were going to probably get into all those issues, but as a result of that we really have to rewrite the past in order that we might control the future. Now just think we're talking about Marxism.

A moment ago. Yes, you think, for example Larry as to what happened when there was the cultural Revolution in China. Yes, I mean, they renamed buildings. They tore down monuments, you know, maybe the best example is I remember you may be too young to remember, but St. Petersburg in Russia at one time it was called Leningrad and then Stalingrad.

Today it is back to St. Petersburg. So what you want to do is to destroy the past to build a brand-new future. Now our first lesson sure who was a historian and a confidant of Pres. Kennedy said something very interesting. He said a country's history is to that country would a person's memory is to the person. So if a person loses his memory.

She forgets who he is. He doesn't know exactly who he is and so he's willing to to believe he is whatever people say he is so the idea is this, that America because of its past racial history has to be destroyed is not worth preserving, but what we need is a brand-new foundation and that brand-new foundation is a form of humanism.

Actually, it is once again Marxist and that once we get on the other side of this revolution that's taking place will have peace and justice and a word that is so very important to people and that is the word equality. Another question that I raise in this chapter is this.

Certainly, we recognize the horrors of slavery. Yes, that's not even a question we also recognize that under Jim Crow laws. Segregation was so unfair and unjust and that's why Martin Luther Kings of venture in terms of civil rights was biblical because what he was saying is, people should be equal under the law they should be equal an opportunity so we get all that. But what is happening today is the point of view that is being taken is that because of the past. What we need to do is to build on an entirely new foundation and to those who are listening.

I need to remind you of something. As I mentioned at the top of this program. Larry McCarthy is with me here in the studio and Larry in the 1960s. Your parents came to Moody Church. They were African-American, and that they were not always warmly welcomed back then were they know that's true. They were warmly welcomed by all but two. To be fair and to be honest there were those white members of the church who did welcomed them who love them who encourage them, who supported them in their walk with Christ.

And so there was balance. But no, they weren't received with with open arms, so to speak. In fact, sometimes when they would sit in the sanctuary people would get up and move arresting things like, don't they have any churches where you live and it's very sad. And of course we as a nation and as a church we repent of those days, but I always like to say this, and perhaps people have heard me say it before they'd have never dreamed that someday they would have a son who would be on the pastoral staff of the Moody church that never crossed her mind that it didn't didn't cross my do your point about this eradicating the past I'd let you know I had the privilege of going to Israel with you and they'd certainly talk about the Holocaust and the end the remind themselves of where they've been and it is such a part of the culture.

Certainly, America's past has some really dark episodes in it, but we put that in perspective of where we've come from and what we steer against. We don't ignore it. We don't sleep it on the rug and we don't say it didn't exist. And I think you made a excellent point of bringing that out in chapter 2 of the book that yes we we have some dark history. Some things that were not very proud of what we address them with our eyes open and with the determination not to go back to that or to glorify it, but to see it for exactly what it will soon and you know there's so much that we can learn and is better but we don't have to destroy the country in order to do that. Yes, in other words, America can be fixed without putting it on an entirely different foundation and that you know just speaking of slavery. When you read some of the literature and by the way, you know I won't get into this in detail, but in this chapter I have a section on the 1619 project that the New York Times did showing that the real history of America goes back to slavery and capitalism and it goes back to the time when the first slaves arrived and so forth. The problem with that is it is very imbalanced and you almost get the impression that America invented slavery how the fact is that there is still millions of slaves today actually 40 million mostly in Africa and India. So what we must recognize is that our country for all of its faults and you're absolutely right in saying that we should not overlook those balls.

Still, we have made progress and there's more progress to be made and that's a much better way that we can look at all of this. I like when you put in your book. We didn't America didn't invent slavery, but America ended slavery and the thing is this all these people who hate America. They will never compare America with another country. Saul Linsky will greatly influence this you know he died in 1976, but this book is still red rules for radicals Saul Belinsky would never compare America with another country because how can you get people to hate America. If you compare it with other countries and so what we need to do is to recognize that we are all sinners. In fact, working to get to that in just a moment, you know, Larry. What we have to do is to get to chat first three which is titled diverse city is used to divide and to destroy what were in the deep end of the pool. Now you talk about critical race theory so for people who are new to that expression. That term can you put the cookies on the low shelf for us so we can all reason, I can certainly do that.

At least I can try to do that not many parents send their kids to the University and they come back hating America and they hate America because of its racist past and things we've already talked about, and the question is why there are so many diversity studies, you know there's, you know, study of feminism and racism and these diversity studies. Why do they cause such hate for America so give you the big picture and then I'll answer your question very specifically. Okay the big picture is this that tab. These studies are not intended to bring about racial reconciliation were going to be talking about that in just a few moments. These studies are intended to divide the races perpetual conflict by making impossible demands and I get into the whole issue here of whiteness and you know its racist views, but now to critical race theory, and this is critical critical race theory basically says that we put people in classifications just like Marxism, you have the oppressors which they believe to be the whites. The American whites there. The oppressors we are the oppressors on the other hand you have the Oakcrest which is the African Americans the black Americans you have that happening, and so everybody is targeted in accordance with the group that they fit which is pure Marxism Larry this is totally against what Martin Luther King would've taught as Martin Luther King taught let's not judge one another by the color of our skin but by the content of our character. A man in here. There is no opportunity to judge people by the content of their character. If you're white you're guilty, confess it and live with it. So you saying your identity can't be separated from the group you belong to critical absolutely. And that's exactly what Marxism was all about.

If I could go into it in more detail. I point out that even people like Lebron James, for example, he would not be considered a person of privilege because he's a black American, so you have poor people, but they also are people of privilege and people of oppression.

Why because their white. This is a very racist point of view.

The other thing that they believe is that victory is achieved when you have the oppressed, overcoming the oppressors, which again is based on Marx and that's what you have this perpetual conflict and then point is this. Help us to understand what's happening here in the United States. You also have something else.

There is no universal objective truth to which we work because Marx taught truth is what is used by the oppressors to keep people oppressed Omar so what this means is there's really no objective truth. What you need to do is to recognize that truth changes in accordance with whether or not it is touted by the oppressed or the old presser and so what you have is a total Marxist view of reality, while you know this abandonment of the pursuit of truth that we see in our culture. That explanation makes it really clear as to what exactly is going on yeah and so this is critical race theory, and this is what is taught oftentimes and of course we know this is: totally crazy.

I have in my book. An example of how arithmetic goes woke they want to show the racist aspect of arithmetic in math and all those things that's that's just but were off on a tangent here, not you and me talking about this, but our educational system and it has repercussions. Now, Larry. What we need to do is to contrast this with Christianity. This is where my heart is Christianity comes along and says wait a moment we aren't in perpetual conflict because of diversity.

There's a lot that we have in common. We are sinners we all come to the cross of the Lord Jesus Christ with our need.

Racism exists in every human heart and it we must recognize therefore that relief. I might put it clearly we don't have a skin problem.

We have the same problem. Say it say it.

Say yes and so what we do is we confess we are all humbled before the cross and Paul in Ephesians and in Colossians put it so clearly that Jesus Christ is the one who has broken down the hostility and therefore we can be one and you know if I might mention Moody church again since we brought that subject up a few moments ago we just rejoice in the fact that on any Sunday morning.

We have people from 70 different countries of origin you look at what the Bible says in Revelation chapter 5 and you'll discover there that that their people from every race and color, and nation then and so forth and so what the church should be saying to a world that clearly has lost its way. You know, there is another way that we can demonstrate unity without being in perpetual conflict. Having come to the cross having humbled ourselves. We then ask the question how can those who are privileged to help the underprivileged. What can we do for one another to bring about unity to bring about justice and so forth.

But it can't happen as long as you have diversity studies that are committed to dividing us. Will you just took her focus from culture to what's going on outside and you brought it right inside the church building where we now cannot be silenced and need to ask the questions and to listen and to be obedient to Scripture here will you know that's my heart and I might say that this book, which is entitled, we will not be silenced responding courageously to our culture's assault on Christianity now to all those who are listening.

I need to say this, that as someone who is authored a number of books.

It is a very easy joy say this is my most important, I mean after all, if we didn't feel very deeply, why would we even write it but in this book. What I try to do is to talk about our culture and then say this is the biblical response.

For example, in the next program were actually going to be talking about issues of freedom of speech and I'm going to be explaining how propaganda works is very critical where cultural streams are created in such a way that that if you stand against them. You will be canceled and how does that work and how is that happening in America. So remember the book, we will not be silenced and to the many people who are supporters of this ministry.

We are deeply grateful. It is because of you. We can make these resources available cultural Marxism and divisive diversity enemies of the church and thus why we will not be silenced. Next time I'm running to win the erosion of free speech and the rise of government propaganda. Make sure to join us. The idea of freedom of speech being censored is really based on Marxism that a philosopher by the name of Mark Cousy. He said as long as we have freedom of speech. The Lists can win the argument only open oppressed people should have the right to speak or we as a church, even advertising correctly. We are so afraid of being called unloving that oftentimes we can make compromises in the name of love and people. Sometimes, they see a very well-timed worship service and then they have a talk from the preacher, but what they don't hear is this is the word of God go after Luther's new book, we will not be silenced will be sent as our gift to you as you support running to win at this crucial time with your gift of any amount.

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