Adam's Road Piano (w/ Matt Wilder of Adam's Road Ministry)

Your answering and and and fireflies. Last week we interviewed Michael Wilder from Adams Road ministry and how it is our extreme pleasure to interview his brother Matt served a two-year mission in Denmark from 2000 to 2004. He came to Christ after months of study initiated by his brother Micah who was sent home early from his mission first profession of the biblical Jesus Matt studied the New Testament and attended Christian worship events. To learn more about Christianity. God showed him through the reading of the word holy Bible that Jesus saved by grace through faith apart from works welcome to the show Matt were excited to have you here with us all.

Thanks so be here today also.

Well first things first, there is a question that our listeners are dying to know. Does pineapple belong on pizza. This child was my favorite but I do like a little sweet with the beat so little halfway on here you're going to II insist, number one. Go to the state pizza in Utah so you're forced to get at some point together got close.

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You know the people been fighting for months or so. Finally got the definitive answer so so I Matthew you're mad Saul plugs callers mad soul could keep it straight. That's where the or you can call me the nuclear colonists, people coming out sometime so it's along the long exposure for lots of so not so, would you like to describe for our listeners on the podcast. How you are converted from Mormonism to Christianity. This short and simple. So basically I was raised Mormon church group in the Midwest 16 between my sophomore and junior family moved from the heart of the Midwest to the hard work is moved from Indiana Utah Utah which is about 98, 99% more time I finished my high school their server to your Mormon mission for the Mormon church, Denmark. So one of the streets for two years learn their language to try to convince things that they needed join this institution in order to have a chance to earn eternal life. I remember one day confronting a Christian woman trying to convert Mormonism or preached that message to her. She responded by just a very simple message asking this very compelling question why can't what Jesus did on the cross enough for you so angry at the time of the ghost addicted by the simplicity of what… Message that question was getting to the fact that the message of the cross was foolishness for a time, along with the apostle Paul says in verse 118. The message of the cross is foolishness to those who are perishing, but us were being saved it is the power of God. That question really impacted me as a Mormon missionary, but it did cause me to like change my mind right away or anything by I continue to use that to your Mormon mission trip that was back in Utah and studying Performance. If you are you University there in Utah really loved it. One of the things I struggle with growing up was having an assurance that all is forgiven for my sins was a young teenager early team to the time that God save me like I would cry out at night sometimes wanting to just know that I was forgiven and loved by God, doing everything in my power to try to do everything the church told me to do to be made right with God, but I just never you know I never dealt with this guilty conscience I have, so this is my struggle with on-and-off throughout my life and going to my college years and so well you remember this one instance were your you required to take some religion courses there to focus on Mormon teachings of Dr. one day the religion professor decided for whatever reason he was to show that video of the worst video of a Christian worship team in the congregation singing the song amazing Grace, and that really impacted me to tears, and for some reason, like I was really just impacted by the message of that song and I believe God's Holy Spirit was really beginning to draw me to Jesus and open my heart to biblical Christianity was around this time in my life that Micah got saved as you mention my younger brother Micah was on this interview. I guess the other week, and his testimony. In a nutshell is that he was a Mormon missionary try to convert a Baptist pastor got a challenge to read the Bible you read the Bible, thinking he could validate Mormonism and prove this guy wrong in God and changing Micah's life through him reading the New Testament, so he made a profession of faith in front of a bunch of missionaries got sent home early, got in trouble because of his profession of faith that we had a chance as a family to confront him and asking him what was going on and that's where he shared the good news of Jesus Christ with me and everything that you learn through reading the New Testament and then gave me that same challenges that Christian minister even him to read the Bible as a child because of all these things going on in my life, dealing with this guilty conscience, having some doubts myself about by the grace of God actually took this challenge and started reading and studying the New Testament in a different way than I had is warm. It really kind of approaching the Bible as it is actually God's final authority is his word.

I can trust that I can rely on it.

I can I can just see seek God through his word through the Bible and find a relationship and that way you guys remember, for example, getting to the book of Hebrews and being convinced that any system of laws and ordinances was good be sufficient to cleanse me from my guilty conscience, but the blood of Jesus would be able to do that formula. Hebrews 914 says how much more will the blood of Christ to through the eternal Spirit offered himself without blemish to God, purify our conscience from dead works to serve the living God.

I wasn't this religious system that I was realizing I was doing all these quote unquote dead works and I was trusting in for my salvation is ordinances and whatever God was calling me to realize that I was dead and my sins and my trespasses and that I couldn't rely on these dead works of this religion to be saying right now to turn from the repentant and leave this good news. The simplicity that Christ died for my sins, was buried, was raised on the third day. All of this for my justification so that I could declared not guilty before God when my favorite verses that I came across the book of Hebrews is that next chapter in chapter 10 verse 14 says by a single offering he has perfected for all time those who are being sanctified.

That's a big payment.

Mormonism is his eternal progression progression of becoming perfect through the works that you, but I was realizing that I could find perfection in Christ.

I could rest in him and that he had done all the work was necessary for me to have eternal life by simply needed to receive this as a free gift of faith and love in Hebrews chapter 10 it goes on to say. Therefore, since we have confidence to enter the holy places by the blood of Jesus. Let us draw near with a true heart in full assurance of faith, with our hearts sprinkled clean from an evil conscience I think is just a beautiful picture of what Jesus did in my life that the blood of Jesus Christ cleanse me from my sin in my heart personally was Frankel clean from that evil conscience coming to know Jesus Christ and his law was poured into my heart through his Holy Spirit that was given to me when I believe so.

I became born-again in spirit of the old passed away that he would come. No longer did I have this fear that I was going to be condemned.

No longer did I wonder whether I was forgiven for my sins but Jesus like a mercy baptized me into this this relationship with him that was full of love and peace and joy assurance and giving me this desire to want to share this good news of the people and so I got saved back in 2006, by the grace of God through the hearing of God's word and believe in Jesus Christ and then God called me out of my religious system out of my pursuits at BYU into ministry eventually incited up 20 not relevant been with ministry now for many many years. Thank God for the opportunity to be able to just follow him wherever he's called me and be able to share this love Jesus. Other people in my my baptism. Blood was boiling. I was like I want to jump up and say amen brother's great great thank you I resonated so much with a lot of what you said like never feeling truly forgiven as a kid, you know, always feeling like your on this hamster wheel as well. I compare to Beverly getting that goal and then once you realize the book of Hebrews to I love the book of Hebrews.

Once you understand what it says. It's like why did I not understand this or why did I not study Lipsky about it so beautiful. Everything points to Jesus. So yeah great thinking that appreciate the awesome. Thank you for sharing. You can't go back and think to the first moment when Micah told you in touch about biblical Christianity. What was your first like impression first thought and feelings.

Now first of August, shocked at what changed your mind. I'm here like I haven't seen my brother in almost 4 years, couple years older than him. I went up to Denmark for two years. By the time I got back to work. Family lived in Utah. He had just been sent off to Florida so I have this assumption in my mind is going out zealously proclaiming Mormonism the nothingness derailed that right.

And all this time towards the end is to your mission trip going about three weeks left is getting sent home and told that this guy like an apostate own from from the leadership and stuff like what's going on like old Iraq Iraq. You will laugh and my guess is that was my first thought initially and so he shared the message of grace with me and the thing that initially came to mind was that it is common for people Mormonism the least.

It was for me is this is something that would people's claim that there saved by grace means that their lazy always be saved by grace. It is too easy.

It wasn't fair like like so bleeding such a doctrine is just a copout that you commit however you want. That's kind of how I thought of my brother Nate. Maybe he's doing was sins in his life, and this is his way of kinda excusing and justifying his new lifestyle. I don't know that you know so I got those questions. Another thing you raised to believe in the interest of mainstream Christianity is corrupt and full division, something he will why would you need Mormonism for like Google Christianity when in my mind like it's is corrupt is full division like they can't translate the Bible they don't understand anything properly like why would you leave this disprove institution organization for something much less worthy and the other thing that was really actually grabbed my attention was this idea of forgiveness. I remember Mike, it is emphasizing any kind tied to the idea. King David and the forgiveness he received from Christ, you know he sinned against God, through Bathsheba, killing Bathsheba's husband and yet God put his transgressions behind the cover to stand in for gave him and you want herself something that actually Joseph Smith changed in and in his translation of the book of Mormon that King David was actually forget. So I was at the school and I'm certain kind of different idea of what it means to earn forgiveness and so again remember us.

I was talking about how I spent my entire life trying to earn God's forgiveness never really be sure that I had attained this this status that Mike was claiming forgiveness is a free gift is attained simply through faith in Christ.

And so to me honestly never sounded too good to be true.

Like I honestly wanted the Christian message to be true concerning forgiveness because I never really felt forgiven of my sins of Mormon.

I worked so hard to try to earn that forgiveness that I was always feeling so guilty and condemned. So again I had my doubts that I was that kind of I was really curious like what you mean, you could be forgiven and that this is a free gift. Yeah, I think, is Latter Day Saints is Latter Day Saints. Yeah, you were kind of raised in this environment where it's almost like the American individualist environment you know in a group in that time where it's like you can't get something for nothing. So that was that was a semi-deal forgiveness like all we can just be forgiven. I mean wages when asked forgiveness and that's it. And on the concert was so foreign to us.

Yeah it's it's it's it's crazy when you think about it now. Looking back, like why did I ever hold onto such a system that wants to hold me hostage from something that God gives freely enough. But yeah, thank you for sharing that. I also wanted to talk a little bit about a bit more about your mission experience. You talk about your times missionary Denmark I was a missionary in Europe is well served in the Belgium and France dab a little bit in Netherlands but I didn't speak Dutch so that's another story for another time. But yeah, it's if your mission is anything like mine I left between 2000 7009 and you said you were from 2002 to 2004 I think the conditions are probably pretty similar based on also. In my conversations with Paul because he also served in Europe little bit. It's a difficult place to serve people in general are not very open to religion and so when you served your mission. He returned home, did you struggle with your questions about being a returned missionary and of your identity.

Mormonism did it affect how you were willing to accept the biblical gospel or to reject it.

Did pressure of being returned missionary effective. So your questions, but just know take our you want great questions a good thing to bring out the preloaded context would be spreading like a returned missionary facing map prospect.

Oh, it is biblical Christianity asked, "what is that mean that implicate I pride myself on the back was returned missionary uncertainty Mormon mission prevails later glided past the culture of a place like BYU being way: our return missionary also be in RNs is everything missionary was hard enough. I felt like my stripes like I went through two years of their your learning a language go on the street every day, seven days a week and you basically it's exhausting it was for me. It was exhausting and burdensome.

I didn't particularly enjoy tomorrow mission trip, but I did today. I believe that that's what I was supposed to be doing. I was also not uncommon for Mormon missionaries to deal with depression and emotional issues thing about it I were preaching a false gospel we dealt with rejection on a daily basis. As you mentioned Europe, Scandinavia.

Places like that are not even interested more for the most part. A lot of people even speak about any kind of spiritual things. Religion in general.

Nonetheless, in your you know, this particular sect of religion. It's kind extreme in a lot of ways it was hard to a lot of rejection and you dealt with on a daily basis on your way from your friends and your family.

Not even allowed to call them on the phone but once or twice a year, at least at the time that I went and so so I felt like I had earned this right. I had something that I invested a lot of my life that you at that point and so night, I come home to be a foreman being a returned missionary was a huge part of identity Mormonism but also the longer I play mission, that important stated and what became more important to me. Honestly, was wanting to simply find peace and grace because I was again I was dealing in this life so much guilt so much fear that I became less important for me.

But you're right like to call Tribune place like BYU you not return missionary or not find a girl to date. You know so on so forth like people. It's is a hard place to be and not be returned missionary had to so remember the timeline you return information thousand four and Mike I get off his mission to thousand six. As I write exactly so he got his mission in early 2006 I was a junior at BYU. I went to years of college before my mission and after my mission. I went for a couple more years I was young, partly through my junior year were Micah got saved in January 2006 yeah sexy funny I mission is my testimony but I was actually dating the Mormon girl away BYU at the time window getting married mandibles getting Satan came out of the crate, Mormonism and Christianity anoint Jesus, but that was a big part.

The journey was, as God was changing. Maybe like communicating what was going on in my life with her and it seemed just how God took us both on our own kind of journeys and in our own timeline six, you know, yeah, praise God. As I was reading your bio on your website… I was just amazed how God worked through you with your brother through your wife nailed this just we have a gracious God is, is willing to is to shows mercy despite the fact we don't deserve it. So you yes you next question. Special loving gift for music composing and playing the piano. Select got into music yeah I sorry to say like I began taking lessons and I was six, and according my parents I would sit and bang on the piano as young child he was young as two or three good.

Finally, it is decided they got tired of hearing me bang random noise cannot take lessons so I was really interested. From the time because it's a little weekend ever since right so you said you grew up loving music and to grew up bang on the piano as he said, and as a young kid mentioned eventually stop banging right knee actually started learning your your cords and all at stuff you progressions yeah some point that in and so was it family. Natalia mostly or tutors or school or yeah so my great-grandmother was a concert pianist and Kylie music was always something this in the family and then my mom played again was well. I took lessons from a combo six. Always your high school guy ended up I studied in college is Performance at BYU.

So yeah, I majored there I went for a year before my Mormon mission came back up. My mission actually utilize music lot Mormon mission and then continue now is partly through my finish my junior year of school. When I got saved and ended up walking away and leave policies behind so my backgrounds were classical piano like for example also BYU study works like Rachmaninoff preludes Beethoven Sonata's box Preludes and you suck my favorite things to play was Rachmaninoff second Concerto. That's a beautiful piece but yeah I spend years you know any of this stuff since I got saved as this is, all in the past, but but it was a fun season of my life studying music is interesting how even before he got saved God, has a plan in our lives right than he can take what we met for one thing, he can turn it for his glory. Yeah I am in and in your your willingness to embrace the biblical gospel, even while you are almost Europe close to the end like he could see the end the finish line. Degree at BYU and then asserting a bio about how at that point you felt like he could no longer you could no longer fulfill all of the questions of the for the ecclesiastical interviews he had to maintain their student peers student membership at BYU, so can you tell us a bit more about this decision.

You know like the thoughts are going through her head and everything seriously. You mentioned there is an honor code agreement basically apt, I was called like an ecclesiastical endorsement and so one of the things in the ark of the lease at the time was this affiliation from the church from the Mormon church. If you're good standing member meant that they would they could discontinue your studies at University and sell like that was kind of where I stood. I just felt it was white wasn't really a choice. It was one of the others like I'm going to follow Jesus and be a biblical Christian and Stanford that I would need to make a choice between she might agree or being a Christian like that it wasn't an easy thing that's I struggle with came over time has come over time and learned that knowing and following Jesus will be more fulfilling than pursuing my own plans because that's what I wanted you I wrestle God for a while is a God, why can I just like to lay low the longer this might agree you will be easier and I were so hard for her to sleep. Can I have it I just think back to things like in Luke nine Jesus tells people you know they're there looking for excuses. They want to follow Jesus, but first they got other priorities right will suffer me first Lord to do this, let me first say parallel to my family and then I'll call you Jesus is things like no one who was his hand to the plow and looks back is fit for the kingdom of God Sica got this moment this realization where I decide to see to make a choice. There realize what what was God calling me to do is a Christian and was music to play a role in that until Scott might decide for all my chips on the table and say God is yours if you want to do this.

I want to do it the way you want me to do it. Otherwise, you know, like send me in the direction you want and so think of Ephesians 210 were his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God is parent before and we should walk in them. And so it was an interesting process.

When I got saved was discerning and figuring out what was God's call for me as a Christian.

Obviously this clear call for all of us as believers and we can reading God's word what it means to be a believer, and what are some of the things we should be doing but yeah what I believe that the Holy Spirit called me to a special ministry of music as well and so that was kind of led me into being a part of Adams Road is so music ministry with the heart and the focus is as much to music as it is really just testifying to the gospel of the grace of God in using music as a tool to glorify a great God and Savior and to emphasize the power and the significant significance of God's word and transforming lives here.

We come out of this this this I have this life where I am. I was in a drop right on United starving. I was thirsting for God's word. I didn't know until I finally received it. Now that I've been satisfied been fulfilled in Christ.

Like my desire then is like this and tell me that Jesus gives us what he says in John 663.

The words that I have spoken to you are spirit and life, and so there's a spirit there's life in God's word and in proclaiming it, sharing another people, men, praise God's beautiful. I love that like combining the music and Scripture together and the music that you play is still beautiful tail pinned. I love it.

Listening to this Jesus will you measure born and raised in the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints, headquartered in Salt Lake City, Utah, commonly referred to as the Mormon faith. All of us have left that religion and have been drawn to faith in Jesus Christ. Basin teaching the name of our podcast brightness six, John 19 calls Jesus, the true light which gives light to everyone you found life beyond Mormonism to be brighter than we were told in the light, we have is not our own. Thus, brightness purpose is to share our journeys of faith God has done in drawing us to his son to have conversations about all aspects of the transition peers challenges, joys, and everything in between. Glad you found us and we hope you'll stick around. So when you creating music. What does your creative process. Kind of look like like when you're sitting down and creating music fair what you do. Sure. So, great question for me composing music kinda comes in flashes. Often, the actual composition process for particular piece it could happen very quickly in a matter of a few hours, even minutes. I'm sometimes I'm just like in a certain mood reflecting on a certain subject and Scripture. For example, next I'll start playing a melody or a chord progression comes to be within then you know if it turns in anything or becomes anything good. I give all credit glory to God I don't like composing that I don't feel inspired. I don't like forcing it is not necessary.

So there certain seasons world do a lot right if there's a purpose for other seasons were I don't really do a lot if there is a need or if you would be like a calling from the Holy Spirit to write music that I don't there's always the technical side of it to so there's there's certain maintenance aspects of being a musician that you do whether you know inspired to create new music or not, but I deftly enjoy those seasons and those times where where I get to be a part of that process created some some so what… Sorry, like sometimes I feel that like the creed in the creative process when I'm going through something difficult and painful. Sometimes this season seem to be more fruitful. Ironically, and maybe speak some relying more in Jesus Christ seeking amount. Because of this particular trials, but a lot of times is in the seasons that ends up yielding something unique and beautiful verses like you know other times he would tie this to the success or I had a word that the state of the music when you're doing a good point in a good place when you're producing music it's you would say it's tied to spirituality but other other things and maybe get your creative juices flowing in a like to have hobbies like on hikes or you know, I know you played sports in your background you played was it was a basketball. I love being out in God's creation. I love being out in nature and I love running so I wish my weight escapement, get out and just to clear my mind and stuff just got therapeutic for me just to go on runs forced or whatever you know for on the road somewhere in the mountains and have a chance to offer an hour or so and just, he was God in that sense stuff I really enjoy getting out and about having some that stays in isolation to be with God and humans and that's great.

Usually when I'm lacking in creative juices. For whatever I'm working on. I eat ice cream and then you end up looking like I do, so I should probably follow your route rather than do not scrape I knew I saw that you did you place like your ribs like state champions rain and high school yeah yeah you are high school basketball team. My senior year were state champions. That's great. So you not play anymore and you still play. I played I would play like in church pick up games once a week for a few years and then I hurt my finger really Valentine plan 90 starlight paranoid sunlight doing work that only greatly hinders that like if I was musician or something I would enjoy.

So I got I found something that I enjoy doing wrong that has blessed like get risk for for what I do as musicians.

So yeah I provided. I did enjoy playing basketball, but it's probably been a good decades. I really play let's get us when you when you mentioned that you played it a church. I thought maybe has a cameo on the terrible Mormon movie church ball like all those are the days Christ yeah well we all grew up. You know, playing some kind of sport in the cultural hall rate like I was always somebody somebody should have a Boy Scout meeting in the next room are like, you know, young and young women's activity and were playing basketball. The come and say be quiet this is true, it's got a great insight even though you know we said we have always embraced the biblical gospel, and we trust in Christ alone to save us noticed a lot of great memories I have is kids probably and all grown up in the church and absoluteness because of activities. Sure, yes, I know ill will towards like Mormon people were in love and it's just like because of that… I love my guy. I want to reach out to share the truth with that's great.

Yes I do detour into these other things but if you can't tell him I'm not the musically inclined. That's Breanna's territory so like you know all diverted other other areas, but I believe if you dare. For sure since I saw you talk to your he talked about Adams Road. So could you talk to little bit more about the ministry. Like maybe the timeline of what started who plays a part in it who plays which instruments in and you know just just more details about the ministry. Yeah. So we've been together since 2006 and wrong for Mormon Christians and God brought a lot of Mormonism into saving our personal relationship with him.

Really mainly our main focus is discharging testimony and using God's word and that also we write music together collaboratively as a group.

The big focus is putting God's word in our lyrics so that again.we believe God's word is living and active sharp two-edged sword so that his word will not return void. And so again we we want to make sure that everything we do like aligns with his work and so if we bring forth a project or message were always testing it against Scripture and making sure that we collaborate on process and they were all on the same page with that so so five years ago a little side note for ministry. Adams Rd., Canada which little branch to Adams Road was something that I started doing in addition to what we do as a ministry now is it ministry. We we toured for the last 13 years, about four months out of the year and will know all of the US insured testimony of Jesus and do programs and you outreaches and staff in partnership with churches in different areas all over the country about five years ago during our off-season God opened the door for me also decent count ministry concerts and so I started sharing God's word and outweighs well so it's kind little different is a senior like Lyle and Joe there to really get in that way. And so you want to go to an event to hear me say I speak God's word siding music and the spoken word. And so, for example, I offer elect for programs. The role over an hour long each one's like journey through the Gospels from Genesis to Revelation. It is taking highlights of telling the story of salvation in Christ, his death, burial and resurrection. This good news. I want to go see the gospel of John and I have one that goes through like the teachings of Jesus like this around the mountain. A lot of his parables and things like that one that focuses more on dislike personal arrangements of different hands that I really love Christian hymns that mean a lot to me and so at any rate. Yeah, for the last five or so years I've been doing that so maybe a couple times a month all go out on a weekend to a certain area fly there and do two or three or four events in an area fly home to be with my family so my wife is kill me, but it is interesting thing in ministry special traveler like a traveling evangelist right you got a family at home is find out how can you balance that when you take the family long and when you're not able to like just like you're still husband you stop calling his father and finding that balance is just is an interesting growing process.

Over the years, but that something this exciting and despondent. Always thinking of what Jesus says what it means to be a disciple now sometimes you have to you know, leave your wife for a little bit whatever distress the gods that were colored things out a piece called to do something. He said he started this like five years ago. Cool branch ministry is interesting so so I people ask what inspired you agree word you hope to go with this like with that so I first got saved.

Ashley, how likely was it vision from the Lord regarding like what I'm doing out that Andrew count ministry there was one of the things like that don't get it, and it was this one of these things right model. Much of what I do without her account from that" vision also testing that making sure what what that entails. As far as writing with Entrekin aligns with Scripture.

I'll give you kind little bit of a rundown what what the heart is proud of her account so it's just like another means for testifying to the gospel of the grace of God. Jesus says, as I mentioned already in John 663 says the words I've spoken to you are spirit and life right. The apostle Paul wrote the wanted things were supposed to do as believers is devoted herself to the public reading of Scripture preaching and teaching person before 13 and we can also read, for example, in Psalm 33, 2 to 3 gives thanks to the Lord with a liar make Nelly to the heart of 10 strings that seemed to him a new song play skillfully on the strings about shots so that's kind of what I do is play skillfully on the strings that loud shouts sharing God's word to server crash and find a church to proclaim the good news of Jesus to the lost ends.

I hope and plan to do this as long as I believe that's what the Lord is calling me to do, but it was leaders yet be open to the fact that is that we had to be flexible to know that things can change at any time.

So as long as he continues to open doors for me to minister in this lab and I'm happy to do so. Some believe there is something I know if it lists what it was I was researching a little bit about this and I just really liked how I don't know if it is the title of something. But like cans of wire Scripture behind that. Like that was really cool. The idea is this the spiritual warfare we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against the spiritual forces of evil in the heavenly places.

Now like the sword of the Spirit is the word of God right then it also has a double meaning because I'm also playing the piano and not from solvent so you train my hands for work in this kind of fun little play on that idea and that's awesome. You have any other questions off the top your head the like desk. I guess I know maybe say this after for after recording. Like when he gets connect come out or performer where are you in San Marcus close to new Braunfels really in Texas right, we are actually scheduled to be in was the name of the church new Broncos Bible Church of no restrictions on yeah Lexington there you know what's the faster they remind me. Pastor fell Bill yeah that's right you are the church using we went there we visited I was not here. You haven't seen us able to attend the mall. I think it's in early October, we were driving back from the west way back home to Florida. Stop by on like Wednesday night website and check out their okay thank you I really want to see guys to go see Isaac this year. I would love to meet you in person. Sure will be awesome paren I my question that this would bring out some of my head is when you collaborate with Kanye West. I don't know if I'm cool enough to do that is a very famous guy and were not so hey if you ever want to collaborate with this you can be the connecting point for his son. I will work on it.

The Adams Road cross Kanye like you know in Backstreet Boys and and Singer was a Backstreet Boys and new kids on the block. They teamed up in a know it will be like when we first started doing ministry like a reformist guy is now the three of us that we do a lot of armies and we wear these old like retro shirts and ties and people would tell us we were the door like the Beatles meet Jesus's people would still say that about is that years ago that the low back then.

Parents thought it was like the Beatles were like you know they were like antichrist or that's great thank you Matt for for attending. Really appreciate it. Thank you for your insights. I love your testimony or witness for Christ and yeah just just think about your life of the Lord's work in your life and I love hearing all the different stories everybody coming out of the discharge has an just embracing the gospel, realizing that it's not honest, it's about him and just coming to that knowledge and embracing it is just it's just a wonderful feeling that's what that's all we did was program we we hope that the latter-day Saints or listening will know that we have a place of love for them and that were doing this out of love and we hope this experience in this interview with Matt is is is a blessing to them and so we so this time they know at the end we would like to ask you anything any upcoming projects are working on any upcoming tours or anything else he like to talk about websites. Anything you like to share with our listeners during our website is rogue ministry.com you can find all information you want about us all our testimonies are out there any information about our chores. Both word full team regarding the summer and fall. According to campus. I do like the winter and spring. You can find all out of the calendar section of our musics have all of our out there like his old team me out like 10 lyrical albums that, in addition to that panel ministry aspect that is seven additional albums like spoken word instrumental music would encourage you to stay down there and check that out salt reading downloaded. Let that be a blessing to you resources, breaching out Mormons on there as well. Disparate for the gospel of Jesus Christ. In general, yeah. Also, I personally have a YouTube channel called Adams Road. Cannot I release weekly cotton every Monday morning at 7 AM so guys like the YouTube same. I encourage you to check it out. Also, we have video so if you go to a video section on our website both for the ministry and ground crew Others. There's lots of videos on there. You can check out both testimonies and music performances and stuff that's great. To subscribe and check out your general meeting and same thing here so I'm excited to see that and I encourage everyone here is listening to check them out there awesome.

The music is amazing in their ministry. So I guess this is a wrap up fair that I interviewed love you kiddo. I want to take anymore of your time so you for joining us and we really appreciate you and your time and likewise I look forward to meeting you and Matthew where were you on the perpetual student assignment. A joke filling up in school for my entire life, I'm a student up in upstate New York in the capital District so okay I imagine you're probably not coming up to this neck of the woods anytime soon we were, but they did they did. I guess you guys recently believe that this travel bag got released so we could actually have a couple events in New York so that like there are restrictions at that time we planted the state point awesome but mostly people don't want to visit Albany. They want to visit Buffalo out West, or they want to visit right there are New York City and like people forget the Albany is a thing for for for your like General Electric, especially not to look at those dates and see there's anything Kahlúa close to where I'm living be awesome yeah love that right now I will just wrap this up and Tina next week fair next episode, which will be an interview with Fred and his coming out of the cult. I don't know the name wise so please forgive me on that and think you and see you next week.

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