EP273: What Would My Life Be After Firefighting? and Last Men Out of Vietnam

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It worked out for the next cycle.

That's where we know what I was a volunteer firefighter about three years before actually came up short, knew what the process was there was a lot of physical being with my wife and my little boy was especially looking back learned how to repel start my career I was there for 24 hours and I was off which worked pretty good for me. My career we worked 48 hours alone and I was at the fire station for today at home for four days wife 48 hours. My little girl barrel whole-wheat alternatives are home, my family means everything.

The hardest part was absolutely general to her house if somebody was in the house where we can find them right off the bat we knew they were down but we already lots of times they were alive. There really wasn't much you could do to help him no matter how fast we got we knew the likely work through it was all everything built out little by little by little by little I was going strong. And then, and I didn't know what it was. It was pretty obvious that everybody around, especially my wife did pretty good. Like you have it when I was initially I would like you actually my wife while I was asleep several times Jewish heart still have not, you know, I try to avoid place where hard things happen. Try not to go about those places. That's all right.

Got a great wife is been my rock. All of not being afraid to ask for help has been very important for me also and I don't guess we realize a lot of times on purpose to get into. We realize that first one or two or three strips actually got her training and have one back surgery. When I went back to work I have another back surgery and after that letter said I couldn't go back so I didn't get my last try letting you well.have those I needed to stop the matter God put me here.

Purpose to help a lot. Talking to somebody later. Now let it build.

I never fire services related be a hero get recognition about, but the level special people if they're doing it right and a beautiful job by Madison on the production and special thanks to James Prichard, a retired Capt. of Oxford's fire department and a special thanks to all the guys and gals who do this kind of work. And that's the cops the firemen the EMT people and some emergency room situations. It is little bit by little bit, seeing the world at its worst, near-death sequences, and sometimes nothing of what I hope, sometimes blaming yourself the flashbacks and nightmares, my goodness, I got to help a lot of people.

Sure did.

Now, now James is helping himself to God to have a plan and it was time for James to be with his family and find peace James Prichard story in Oxford, Mississippi store in our hometown here now American stories. If you love the stories we tell about this great country and especially the stories of America's rich past. Know that all of our stories about American history from war, innovation, culture and faith are brought to us by the great folks, a place where students study all the things that are beautiful life all the things that are good in life.

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Now, according to those Accords everybody hoped and wished especially in the United States that we're going to have another career situation and a country divided into the DMZ baseline for whenever the North Vietnamese never had any idea of standing by these Accords are constantly probing, probing, probing, they even were allowed to leave man hundred 30,000 men construction workers on the soil of the Republic of Vietnam.

Finally in the fall of 1974, led by a charismatic strategic and tactical genius unfortunately named genius general venting dung. They decided to invade. They broke the power that we knew they were doing this yet. Satellites with B-52 photos with everything, but Congress was just so sick of the war in Vietnam.

We were out. We had some man we had Marine security guards MSG's at provincial consular's. We had to have a platoon of Saigon. We had some advisors in the middle of the recession here in United States. We just didn't want to spend any more money. We just wanted to kind of wipe her hands in Vietnam.

It was a bad deal. Dung didn't believe that he thought us capitalist running dogs.

We have something up our sleeve so he probed it first sending out scout teams met with resistance.

The South Vietnamese Army, the artisans, the Army of the Republic of Vietnam fell apart, the officers deserted men were left leaderless know where to go, did not know what to do.

What happened was is after a while general dung.

The North Vietnamese Gen. dung set know what the Americans can do anything he was expecting B-52 strike like the last time North Vietnam and South Vietnam. It never came so gradually he picked up speed in the North Vietnamese Army hundred 50,000 men more than hundred 50,000 sluiced through South Vietnam provinces city spell play crew fell way city fell to nine beautiful little port city of half a million people became swollen, seething cauldron of Arvin deserters Arvin retrievers civilians on the road.

The roads were just as the organs as the South Vietnamese soldiers retreated into the night. They raped in a loaded into and I just became the swollen city and said we have to let the claimant get people out of what we try to do is retry to any vac with a fixed wing and helicopter out of Danang fell apart immediately, in large part because our own allies or former allies. The Arvin's that we are cutting and running which we work and started firing on the American aircraft coming in the MSG unit.

The Marine security guard unit a small unit in the neck, got it almost got into several firefights with their ostensible allies until they were finally snuck out of the back of a garbage truck. Finally, a sealift was instituted the US and South Vietnam to as many boats, barges, ships as they could set them up there and it became a total mess. Women were tossing their babies into the water. Arvin units were boarding, fishing smacks, throwing civilians overworked old men and old women just thrown overboard in commandeering his fishing smacks to get south. It was ugly. There were no Arvin commanders no South Vietnam commanders to keep any kind of order and we learn something from Danang and that was to seal it from anywhere else. It can be kinda dicey. So now general dumb. He had planned on taking Saigon. Until perhaps late 1975 but most likely in 1976 after the race. Yet here is, he finds himself started in late 1974 in early April, mid April 1975, he finds himself with Army hundred 50,000 people encircling Saigon is going back and forth with Don was a smart man he knew that now with the time to strike. It was just what were the Americans going to do the Americans in Saigon. Now, as I said there was this Marine security guard battalion but was really betimes between 50 and 60 people and three days before the seventh fleet which was cruising the waters off South Vietnam in international waters out South China Sea. They sent in a platoon of fleet writings early reaction commando types according to the Paris peace Accords were glad to have more than X amount of soldiers and South Vietnam in the MSG pretty much took up at quarter so they sent 50 on the map and had him wearing leisure suits and carrying of guns and uniforms and duffel bags.

I remember top Valdes Susie NCO in charge of the MSG since I got tell you that's really a full North Vietnamese American over here and there's all kinds of American still in there. Not only civilians but State Department spoke CIA there is Army advisors Air Force advisors Navy advisors but let's face it, the two main players in Saigon right now are the ambassador Graham Martin, an elegant man, tall shock of white arrows had a jaunty cigarette dangling from his lips. Unfortunately, he was a young man he was only in his late 50s, but he looked about 75 because he was he was physically sick.

He was had walking pneumonia and he was under the mental stress that I just can't imagine being under the not only the walking pneumonia.

He was taking drugs for an old car accident and he was deluded.

Now when I say deluded. I'm not trying to be pejorative, but he thought he was the only man he was the master he was the man in charge South Vietnam. He thought he was the only man who could cut a deal with the North Vietnamese work slowly but surely encircling Saigon and he would not call for any kind of evacuation because he thought a deal was imminent, his powers of diplomacy were going to cut a deal with the North Vietnamese and it it was delusional. So finally, enough is enough for general dung and he thinks you can poke a little stick at the Americans to get them out quicker because he knows once the Americans go. He's got the country he saw what happened to the fourth-largest army.

South Vietnam had the fourth largest army in the world. He went through it like you know what through a goose.

He saw what happened up with the settlement take Saigon then there's troops down in the bread basket down in the Mekong Delta. But you know what I'm just gonna circle them and take them the same way get these Americans out here. I want to start another war, I will if I have to the running dogs.

He hated us capitalist running dogs.

He hated us my orders art don't start another so before the morning of April 29. Ambassador Martin had ordered Jim Keene to split his MSG detachment said I need extra people out at the airport. There was a defense attach a's office next to the airport adjacent to the airport.

It's where we had run everything during the Vietnam Westmoreland was stationary while the generals are stationed.

Now it was, it was still the same buildings, but it just had advisors and he said I need men out of the DAO because were going to do helicopter evacuation.

It's gotta be from the DAO. This defense attach a's office adjacent to the airport so teams like no I can't split my command. I only have 55 people I can split my command and there's something about the MSG's are the only branch of the Marine Corps that takes their orders from civilian.

They're not in the normal chain of command so the state what the State Department says, usually through a regional security officer and RSO station at every Embassy in the RSO sets an amount or master wants amount there send them out. So Keene went to top Valdes and he said yes and 60 guys after you pick up top. Don't get any my newbies in trouble now. There were a couple kids would just come into South Valdes is thinking you know what North Vietnamese wants out of Saigon so badly there never to bomb the airport to send all my inexperience newbies after listening to riveting account of the evacuation of Saigon you're listening to Bob Drury, co-author of West men out when we come back more of this compelling story. A story you haven't heard, probably you on our American students. Millions will make Medicare coverage decisions for next year and United healthcare can help you feel confident about your choices for those eligible Medicare annual enrollment runs from October 15 through December 7.

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Cpl. they were manning the guard post they were obliterated by clear fields are now. You can't land a fixed wing crater and Martin still is delusional state, we can fix this we can fix this circuit, the C-130s and get back to the embassy and Maj. Jim Keene noses to mentor that took kids and he says I want you to report this to the Marine Corps command major cancers when you want me should you take orders from me.

They find out. These guys are dead to pull the plug on me and Keene is thinking the plug is pulled plug is pulled Darwin judge's posttrial that's when Keene realized in top Valdes would have to manage this evacuation with the Marines I had on hand. Now these MSG's. What happens is commanders take the top 1% to less than 1% of report the commander company commanders plucked the top guys in their units that go through selection process and if they get the MSG school. There's still a 30 or 40% attrition rate. So these guys are kids, but their tough kids and their smart kids and are dedicated kids. These are some of the kids that boom not only the personal tension between Amb. and Keene.

But now the city of Saigon is turning into a churning, roiling, chaotic mess, they have to keep it together so the original plan was everybody from the embassy was going to go over to the defense.

Attach a's office in Oregon helicopter out from there. Aquino Valdes said you know people are going to run to the flag were not to be able to get through this choke streets.

Saigon is now like to nag this 2 million Arvin with the welcome deserters what he what whether you want to come defeated soldiers, but the fact is that walk around guns and are very to stop at the Americans with obviously leaving so all day. This is going on your master had Henry Kissinger on his side Graham Martin Kissinger what kind of the left over from Nixon legacy and they Send Nixon were still in office we be given general dung good dose of vitamin B 52, but Nixon had been impeached.

Gerald Ford want to wash his hands of it.

So Kissinger had the most to lose so they kept Stalling. Finally, the reason I command the secretary of defense, and Gerald Ford convince Amb. Martin Kissinger it's time to get so begins the day April 29, 1975 of just manic helicopters in in a 5500 feet out of 445 small arms fire. The entire time is coming from Arvin's is coming from NBA snipers who were not. They could see the NBA, the MSG's are up on the roof there working 24 hours shoveling classified information into this brace of furnaces they could see they could look over the roof they could see firefights between the MVA and the few Arvin's the Army of the Republic of Vietnam who are still fighting were still standing tall and fighting there watching these firefights.

Whether shall shovel $5 million in cash into these furnaces.

American cash who knows how many feet and knees P*all day long. This goes on. So finally, during the daylight hours managed to clear out defense attach a's office, the fleet Marines send a small platoon over to the embassy.

Now the only thing that's left in the cities is one little outpost United States Embassy three square-mile outpost and the crowds around which had been 2000, which had been 10,000, which had been 50,000 are now 60,000 and a lot of them are armed and a lot of them are keyed off soldiers so all day long this is going on.

The crowd searching and some of the stories and Jim Keene in top Valdes and to an extent. Mike Sullivan are kind of like the little Dutch boy there. Plugging holes in the dike here, here the coming over the wall here lock that gate like that get in the guys there standing there and I have to let it Americans American reporters American State Department guys maybe were stuck downtown. He was going American passports and third-party nationals are allies or Koreans if you Brits left into and there standing at the gate in their lifting people over the gate while they're doing. People are coming up to them in their opening bags of Jules or Kruger hands. Bobby frames watching one time this woman comes that her husband, making way through the crowd with his elbows limits carrying something. Sure enough to get close.

The husband takes it heaves it up. It's a baby gets caught on the barbed wire on top. When the MSG's runs up on hooks it, but her orders gently drops back down can take it in heartbreaking stories.

Mr. Knott came up to an MSG and got close enough to gain these kind of a withered old.

These men and Vietnamese army jacket on role of metals pulls up yellow envelope increased envelope out of his pocket and he slips it through and when the amnesties opens it up and is from the plate to officers club dated 1967, and says Mr. Knott has served not only his country but the United States of America well. Please consider that when you do with Mr. nah Mr. Knott have one arm and he starts he holds a thing and he starts wash dishes wash dishes officers club wash dishes and I remember the dam.

She just turned around and just who might play God like us who my to say yes you can come in and in the meanwhile, the Vietnamese are in their like a thousand Vietnamese inside compound already throw the fatcats there you go soldiers, the sons of politicians didn't have to go in the Army about their way out fatcats with with with suitcases and you know what's in the suitcases there smuggling out gold or smuggling out jewels or smuggling out money and explore MSG's there on the gates and even though they were kids.

They had to make this decision is 19 €20 to put in this position will join them recently got drafted by the Marines who joined the Marines to fight for their country to fight in Vietnam for their country went on all night.

The big C standing of the Chinook the Army to note that helicopter that's emblematic of Vietnam. They were landing in the parking lot CH 40 6C nice were landing on the roof. They had an assembly line going to DAO is already empty, so now it's just the embassy, Jim Keene, the Sea stallions are made to carry maybe 3035 Marines, Jim Keene is packing 70 Vietnamese smaller V versus letting them take one back after a while, no banks, no banks, but the crowd so we people are sneaking in the crowd doesn't seem like it's getting any small.

This goes on all day all night they line up every vehicle they have the form of a ring of light so that these helicopter pilots were just magnificent. Only room the big choppers had come down straight down fill up Keene would throw 75 on the guy couldn't get area take five off guy got little or straight up one crash one crash and boom.

It was a chopper pattern evacuation so you been listening to Bob Drury fill a heckuva story.

By the way he is co-author, along with Tom Cleveland of the book last minute. The true story of America's heroic final hours in Vietnam and heroic. Indeed, they were remarkable were these final hours. It's a story most Americans don't know and should know mess we do every day.

You are now American stories is tell stories about what we did, because if we don't remember what we did, we won't know who we are and that's a great quote from Reagan's last address to the country's farewell address and 89 and John F. Kennedy thought similarly about American history. The great Democrat president McCreight Republican. We need to know her stories and by the way, Cleveland and Drury told all kinds of stories on the show but I'll American stories.com find them when we come back more of this remarkable story. Our final days in Vietnam here on our American stories to millions will make Medicare coverage decisions for next year and United healthcare can help you feel confident about your choices for those eligible Medicare annual enrollment runs from October 15 through December 7. If you're working past age 65. You might be able to delay Medicare enrollment. Depending on your employer coverage. It can seem confusing, but it doesn't have to be UHC Medicare health plans.com to learn more United healthcare helping people live healthier lives. I know everything there is to know about running a coffee shop for small business insurance. I need my State Farm agent make sure my business days piping hot equal and confident the business owners to help you best. State Farm is in your corner and on my neighbor. There call your local State Farm agent for quote today doing household chores can Artie be time-consuming and tedious. There's nothing more daunting than facing piles and piles of laundry that need to be done can be overwhelming for anyone. If you want to get those larger laundry loads down right and get back to your life.

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I mean, he looks like a he's been flying 18 straight hours.

He lands on the USS Dubuque Rincon, that comes out every general in charge separately from sizes Col. Barry you will take the investor out on your next your Marine Col. you don't ask a free*why yes sir, I will is the answer.

He gets in his line and he and his copilot's dark there taken smaller for the summer monsoon they can use the 45 and 5500 lanes anymore.

Now they're flying ground-level is that the plan to the clouds.

All fixed up. They land on the roof you got a little scratch better scribble something on any one of the investor's personal security guard comes up suggests this is direct order from the present. I'm not leaving this roof until I have the investor sure enough he was there for about 20 minutes. Ambassador comes out. Even at this point for decrepit broken realizes that it's time to go so then word comes the MNCs are still manning the gates are still manning the walls while at the same flight.

The investor goes on. Jim Keene gets a message from the fleet but he goes downstairs top out as a set button up top top looks over not only their silk 10,000 people trying to get him there force. Five.

600 people at a 40 gotten legally doesn't say anything just looks at him orders but they shut the door to disable the elevators. They run upstairs and by this point is about 60 of them fleet Marines fearfully Marines are mixed in with the Marine security guards still dark out. They get up to the roof blown everything while breakfast downstairs the people steal a heartbreaking thing people outside the gate stole a fire truck broke through the gates broke through the big mahogany doors of the Chancery and the embassy and made their way up the stairs.

The six floor where the Marines like barricaded against him. Summaries are looking over and the 400 who were left to work, supposed to get out or just standing there in the column sticks, Fadiman sticks of like 60 people peace and understanding there with the sticks with their luggage with their kids with their wives waiting for the Americans to come save me once again I am telling you they will brokenhearted up there so there was a brief pause where the helicopters stood down because of flying time and an even bigger Marine general in Wiley Wilson medal of honor winner. He put out a notice that anybody that doesn't go and get my Marines, I don't care what servicer and court-martial. So they started flight again. They come in.

Jim Keene does a headcount realizes even stripped of their best stripped of their helmets, stripped of their weapons, can get all my men not to get my amnesties. It turns atop Valdes's top 10 men I could die with so these helicopters take off, others 11 men left on the roof.

Minutes later, the sun comes up.

The irony is several. It's the it's the most beautiful sunrise that they've it is beautiful clear day, the monsoon clouds clear the most beautiful sunrise. Jim Keene ever seen his life in Washington and Kissinger holds a press conference gets up at the same podium where two years before he announced peace in our time after the Paris peace Accords. At the very same podium. He now announces that all Americans who wanted to get up South Vietnam Orap when he said wanted to get out. Some reporters remain behind and Kissinger seeds and eight talk to Max's excuse they cut short as Prescott walks off decayed whispers in the lead Marines on account Marines on account before we lose it in the confusion. What happened was when the ambassador 1/340 8 AM Jerry Berry's call sign the Tiger is out the Tigers out of his cage in the original evacuation plan. Ambassador was can be the lastly so they were still working on that over the Tigers out of his cage. So we left so that balance of 11 read security guards Keene Valdes Mike Sullivan kids a tough kids a dedicated kids but in kids there up in this roof. They barricaded the door don't come from small arms fire. Just increase, that is, from Marvin's once again is a come from MVA snipers, probably a little of both Valdes's monkey walking around the perimeter, No weapons and I was going in 1600 get aside our got a couple of shotguns appear. Looks like we got to 50 Cal machine guns descending selfish. What is this is nothing we can hundred 50,000 hard and angry MVA soldiers out there. Jim Keene senses the tension censuses and other Marine security guards or wonder where is our chop he calls a meeting.

They all get encircled the hell I said listen, here's the deal.

General Don does not want to start a war with United States if he kills us. He starts a war with United States but you know what I been in action and small units.

Things go wrong, so there could be a small unit fighting we don't know what's come through that door next could be pistol apartments.

It could be MVA.

I don't want you firing back at anyone that I want everybody laying low and I want everybody on their toes were going to get were going to get out here, but he didn't believe it himself is after action report. He wasn't sure so that there's just seems a steep hour chemistry from from Long Island. He smuggled two bottles he'd been carrying for three weeks in his rucksack and a bottle of Johnny Walker black and a bottle of Johnny Walker red because MSG's except for top Valdes and Jim Keene around in a come sit Indian style the circle and they pass the bottles around top and major Keene over the corner as their speaking. Calyx already sees or something going on that circle. The two bottles of whiskey suits going on. Valdes walks over just in time here Bobby Franson no Tiger cages for me know Hanoi Hilton for me know where to go vote right now.

Those nukes can take my dog tags.

I want have to dig through pilot that gives before they get their hands on some mail said let's take a vote is unanimous vote, they vote to fight so they kind of disperse. The sun is getting hotter. Bobby frame gets behind them 50s got a clear field of fire. Now the stairwell, but the British Embassy across the street will maybe they might take fire from Terry Bennington hardscrabble kid hardscrabble just he grew up he had a Dickens child. His mother committed suicide trying to kill Terry and his two brothers, but she failed but she killed herself try to blow up the house's father was an alcoholic rented amount to subsistence share farmers who Capt. Farrell barefoot in a shack to form tobacco. The Marine Corps was the only family he had ever known.

And he's looking around and is looking around at the 10 other Marines that there is like 11 free nerve endings were all connected.

It's more than being brothers. It's more than loving each other. We are each day. Norman 19-year-old from Ohio. He's up on the helipad. He's like he can hear the clanking of the Soviet tanks that the NBA's you think you hear the that the treads clanking, and over the Newport Bridge and he's thinking I my dying with. I just wish I could get to see my mom and dad one more time before I die. But the minute I proud to die with these men. Steve Schuller wants earlier in the day they had open the gates to let into American reporters had formed of feet. Steve was at the end and this Marvin Rushton with a gun and bayonet and there he stuck his finger in there and he lost consciousness for a moment or so stuck a dirty rag in there and talk wanted to evacuate amount he wouldn't evacuate… Guys are going to see she was now up on the roof he's picking through some of the clothes looking for a clean T-shirt. Lisa not so much a dirty T-shirt so we could stuff up the depth of the possibility he has these men are are are all alone with her thoughts, top Valdes is thinking of his two teenage boys. Not much younger than the guy she's in charge with. He's thinking how proud he is. If we die, appear somebody better tell the story and a superb job on the production of that story in the editing by Greg Hendler you want to read the rest of the story much more pick up Bob Drury's last min true story of America's heroic final hours in Vietnam again Bob for this fantastic read with Tom Flavin regular contributors here on our American word by the way, 11 free nerve and Bob said about these 11 Marines. These MSG's. It was more than they knew each other was more than they love each other. We were each other said about these 11 story of the last min of Vietnam here on our American stores. Millions will make Medicare coverage decisions for next year and United healthcare can help you feel confident about your choices for those eligible Medicare annual enrollment runs from October 15 through December 7.

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