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"The Good Governor" Who Welcomed Asian Refugees to Iowa and The Story of Charleston: The Way Life Used to Be, And Perhaps, Is Supposed to Be

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June 15, 2022 3:05 am

"The Good Governor" Who Welcomed Asian Refugees to Iowa and The Story of Charleston: The Way Life Used to Be, And Perhaps, Is Supposed to Be

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June 15, 2022 3:05 am

On this episode of Our American Stories, Matthew R. Walsh, author of The Good Governor: Robert Ray and the Indochinese Refugees of Iowa, tells the story of this remarkable man who was driven by faith and a commitment to helping his fellow man. Tommy Dew shares the story of Charleston, NC—from the American Revolution to today. 

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00:00 -  "The Good Governor" Who Welcomed Asian Refugees to Iowa

25:00 - The Story of Charleston: The Way Life Used to Be, And Perhaps, Is Supposed to Be

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Some of our favorite after the United States withdrew from Vietnam in the 1970s their allies around the region who it fought against the communist-based torture, involuntary servitude, and death. They were on their own mantle lead the charge to save them. The governor of Iowa Robert Ray is around Monty Montgomery with the story of the good government taken away Monty in the state of Iowa there is a unique ethnic group.

In fact, there are more in Iowa than anywhere outside of Asia called the tie.how did they end up there. Here's Matthew R. Walsh with the rest of the story time Don means black tie and a call back time because of the clothing worn by their how this ethnic minority was from northwest of Vietnam. That's their ancestral homeland around the place called DMV for but they ended up in Laos after North Vietnam fell to the Communists. But what happens is South Vietnam falls to communism and East hi Don are very scared because they know that the Communists remember them and how they fought against them in North Vietnam East hi, Lori. Laos is going to be next in May 1975 they actually cross the border into Thailand seeking asylum and it is from Thailand that they write letters to 30 US governors they want to be resettled as a group they want all these time Don they want their fellows to be able to go to the same place and nobody listened except for the governor Lila Robert Ray and he agrees to resettle East hi Don buddy conduit immediately because the US government was only accepting refugees from places that following the common and the time Don had fled in May 1975.

Laos did not officially fall to communism until December 1975 so the governor had to kind of bend the rules and say well can you let me bring these people and and Kissinger and Ford agreed and they basically just said well these people are originally from Vietnam and that place has fallen, the communism will bring, and this time Don group ultimately comes Thailand 1975 so Gov. Ray brings in these time Don Vietnam falls to communism in 1975 but it takes a while for the communist really gain a firm hold on the south and thus began a second refugee crisis in Asia. People are fearful that their sons were to be drafted in this military and have to fight for the con. So what if they do they take to the sea, and it was incredibly dangerous for them.

They got only small boats, some of them are very rickety and seaworthy so pirate attacks rape murder people dying of thirst dying of disease, hundreds of thousands of people took to the seas and estimated that one in three actually died and some people write when they're about to get landfall there is joy but that of the outcomes and they actually toe the refugees back at sea because these places like Singapore. They didn't want refugees.

Malaysia doesn't want refugees. Therefore they resent these people coming and taking resources.

Some will actually be stoned to death when they arrived on shore of an array watches a basketball game at Drake University and then he returns from the scam and watches a 60 minutes program special report of the boat people done by Ed Bradley and they're talking about all that these people have been through. Well Ray was very psyched we have to do something he had already created this refugee resettlement program help the time Don in 1975, still running, so what he says is I will will agree to accept 1500 extra refugees and he then wrote letters to every governor to do more to help the boat people and he wrote to Pres. Carter to do more to help the boat people. He's on first politicians to stand up and say we need to help me so so that's the kind of the second thing that he did was helping them about people's the second of basically three big things that Ray did as governor by bringing in the time Don was first helping these boat people refugees come in second and third will be helping people from Cambodia well.

Ray is he's born in 919 28.

He's from Des Moines is a Des Moines guy and he just misses out on World War II but he does join the service and while he was in the service right after World War II. He is in the East and he really gets to see the devastation. So I think that made an imprint on him as a as a young man was something that was impressionable to him. He then goes to Drake University and even before that, I guess I should say at Roosevelt high school in Des Moines. He was known for sticking up for the little guy.

He wasn't interested in people bullying others. He goes on to Drake and then he studies law and he becomes a lawyer and then basically a chairman of the Republican Party trying to get Republicans elected office and eventually he he runs for governor, and he wins the governorship in 1968 and served for 14 straight years for Ray Connor worked. He's a Christian man. So this Christian ethics.

I think it may be important for Ray helping out others people complaining about refugee resettlement. They were saying why are you helping out these foreigners want you helping islands he were elected to serve and raise response was quote we don't have the heart or the spirit to save human lives and how can we be expected to help those whose lives are already sure to turn our backs on people who are dying overseas, are allies who are dying well were not can it be all that kind to those who are in Iowa so we can do about it when we come back more. This remarkable story. The story of Robert Ray and the refugees here on our American story. If you love the stories we tell about this great country and especially the stories of America's rich past. Know that all of our stories about American history from war to innovation culture and faith are brought to us by the great folks; place where students study all the things that are beautiful in life and all the things that are good in life. If you can't get the Hillsdale bills that will come to you with their free and terrific online courses go to Hillsdale.edu to learn more millions will make Medicare coverage decisions for next year and United healthcare can help you feel confident about your choices for those eligible Medicare annual enrollment runs from October 15 through December 7.

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They still have friends that have loved ones who are coming so he's visiting these camps for their still tied on as a moving story.

They said Ray governor, we want to show your symbol of hope.

So Ray and the small delegation from Iowa.

They go look at the symbol of hope in that little hut.

It's the state of Iowa Department of Transportation.

That was their symbol of hope and on this map.

There are tens where different tiedown families have resettled and where these folks hope one day they would be reuniting with these loved ones is visiting the tied on this in Thailand at the refugee camp Nunc INN he makes an excursion to the Cambodian refugee camp and that's when he sees one person died young girl died and her head fell in the lap of one of Ray's aids governor a very avid photographer and he went around the refugee camp the snapping photo after photo. These kids crying people sick. Losing hope they didn't have running water. They had hardly anything they were escaping a group of people called the Khmer Rouge. This is basically meaning red people. They were nasty folks in Cambodia, they tore through that place.

They were cutting open people and these Khmer Rouge communist force people out of the cities and into the countryside to work as slaves separated families. One man slid so many people's throats that he developed arthritis in his forearm and how to develop a different technique for plunging his knife in the people's throats to kill them, and many people starve to death and Ray visited the Cambodian refugee camps in Thailand in 1979 and he was just devastated by what he saw.

He wrote a great speech and deliver it to the assembly of his church and this is in talking about visiting the Saucedo refugee camp. Have you ever stood in a small muddy spot about two hours five people died around. I did two days ago those deaths were only part of the more than 50 that died in that one can on that one day to see little kids with sunken eyes and protruding tummies trying to eke out a smile will bring a tear to the eyes of even the most callous and when he returned he came up with this idea of Iowa shares and he handed out that Phil that he had taken anyone knows on it. He gave it to the Des Moines register, the major newspaper and they published an article that showed some of these photos and what governor he saw in the refugee camp in the newspaper helped publicize and get donations for Iowa shares and shares stands for Iowa sends to aid refugees and starvation and what I once did a state purchased a share in humanity, which was the price of a bushel of corn and they donated money to the governor's office and the governor's office. Use this money to send Madison I what doctors and nurses and food to the starving Cambodian refugees and one woman sent in her engagement ring to the governor's office and they had to give it back accept this, a nine-year-old boy named Eric Sharp donated his Christmas money as Ray basically announced this in Iowa shares program. He said in a world where there is hate, there is more reason to love in a world where there is hunger there is more reason to share and in 1979 I went through this I will shares program raised over $540,000. Some people back this movement because of Judeo-Christian ethics.

Some in the Jewish community seeing most people starve to death in Cambodia sparked memories of the Holocaust. People being liberated from the camps and looking so terrible because of the mistreatment so rabbis from synagogues.

They help out people in the Christian church. They served us as sponsors trying to help people get resettled in a lot of people guilty about Vietnam and destructive force America played their helping refugees was a way for them to heal from the wounds of the Vietnam War and raise work with refugees also kind of gave people pride is to be a public official in the early 70s, people were frowning upon you wasn't much to be proud of.

After the Vietnam War, the Watergate scandal. So Ray helped keep people's faith in public, government and I find amazing is during this controversial era. Ray's approval rating over 80% is quite fascinating but a lot of people like Tim and slightly were willing to help the tied early on fairly well within a handful of years. They were able to have a vast majority of people own their own automobiles, and the majority of tiedown would become homeowners in just a short time. What they did is they pooled their resources, they tried not to rent it might be multiple families renting just for a little bit. Everyone will pitch in and will get you your house and after you have your house, you and others are going to pitch in and then you got me my house so I bought a lot of homes might be modest homes, but they became homeowners, they became automobile owners help each other out.

So the community serve as a safety net initially about the first group of people who came here they were professionals that was very helpful. The first way. The first 130,000 people I spoke about a lot of them were officers in the military, politicians, people with good careers early on a lot of them fell into becoming blue-collar workers, so their stories of bank owners becoming janitors at banks so it's tough for that first generation second-generation that quite well and the other flashing. There are people who are in the medical community there doing great work, but we do have a very diverse and rich state that a lot of it stems from this refugee resettlement that began in 1975. There's more tied on in Iowa than anywhere outside of Asia created their own community center on the north side of the line and they named their community center, the Robert D. Ray welcome center you can go there for a festival every year. The big festival that celebrates their coming to Iowa.

They honored Ray that festival. There is also something called the Asian Gardens that we have here in the morning that honors raise work with these refugees. One woman said, quote from her slumber, she said about Ray. I love the man forever. He will be our Savior. He is almost like our Abraham Lincoln freed us they really do revere the man when he died. Governor Ray rested in-state at the US Capitol building and all these refugees came to say farewell to later wreaths and ribbons and and other things under his burial site is a very beloved figure, especially amongst the Southeast Asian refugee community, and terrific work on the production by Monty Montgomery and a special thanks to Matthew or Walsh's book, the good governor go to local bookstores or go wherever you buy your books online.

Also, special thanks to our own Jim Watkins reporting the story together and what a story about what happened after the Communists took over and it was America and I will in particular who came to the rescue.

What a story about I was part about the American heart and about love and compassion.

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This would be anywhere USA. Everything would've been bulldozed with talk about slavery. A lot of mature you can't talk about Charles without talking about slavery. We were the number one slave trading city for the United States, 1/3 of slaves that entered the US entered the port of Charleston and that's a shocking statistic but it makes sense. Charleston was the largest city in the South until 1820. That's what New Orleans overtook us and dislocated Artie concluded as of 1808 as part of the U.S. Constitution, so this was the largest southern harbor through legal importation the South with the superior farming conditions had an appetite for that labor. Wealthier and that's important understand these are the wealthiest Americans is the most educated American art. I liken it to what was happening around the world.

Plantation culture that the volunteer is in my estimation the repackaging of feudal culture. Their plate being English, French and German royals in a place where that's possible. We have a year-round growing season. We have 50 to 55 inches of annual rainfall and we have no rocks for 100 balls were in alluvial plain were nothing but topsail sand and so some of the finest farming in the world. The southeast coastal plain significant old lands in England you have largest states he got royals in the big house, the peasants are in the field doesn't still get the lid on the land to be bound of the estate in the world have a talent in London or Paris, Vienna, the roles of the world gather the capitals after fall harvest the U make political relationships than you make business deals. Social fruits are in the city capitals well so literary season debutante season theatrical season all this stuff so the come in with the mindset and they apply it and it works they're able to live like royals in the new world and it is seductive.

This ultimate issue.

They're not interested in new ideas.

The North was an agent of change in the Mideast hundreds in these families. Thoughtful, they were not great negotiators and they would rather fight than yield they saw the federal government is unconstitutional. 500 miles away controlled by people living further away and they were not about lotto before and so they ended up fighting to the death and biting 65 it's over.

Total collapse. So the wealthier the prestige here is absolutely built on forced labor. You can't separate the two, but I do think it's important understand everybody now understands slavery is immoral. It's not negotiable.

200 years ago.

It was kind of fuzzy people didn't see it the way we see just as an example, with 1840 only 2% of northern people were abolitionist just 2% critically oppose slavery in the North 1940 at the same time across the South less than 10% of white families of slaves of that's that is probably the biggest misconception people assume that the average white God himself was a slave owner and is not close. Over 90% did not slaves look at the mounds of the self. Appalachian counties were slavery literally County after County at zero slaves because you can't own slaves in the mountains and make money just like you can't slaves in New England and make money so the conditions here were right, high-volume, industrial level farming was suitable feudal patriarchal loans is a pretty diagram good fit and so it is logical where the number one slave trading city for America and is always going to be pushback on that you not notice it up.

I know some more now than or because people are increasingly talking about these things. I think we swept it under the rug for long time. I think people just maybe, his drug to like it didn't happen. That's I've never had that approach. I love talking about slavery and I find that my guess, particularly if I have black tourists. They want you talking about this stuff they don't want you shying away from those of my favorite competence. What I have black tourists and afterwards as a thank you so much for being Frank, thank you so much for not mincing words is refreshing because you don't learn if you don't discuss it so that one of the great joys for giving tours in Charleston is outside people do not understand the significance of Charleston because it collapsed in 1865.

This was the fourth largest city in the United States in 1790 Philadelphia, New York, Boston, Charleston, South Carolina educated more children in Europe than the other 12 colonies put together. None of the 10 wealthiest families in America were living in South Carolina for a period of time prior to 1776.

All at once.

9/10 and so the role of Charleston is not well understood revolution I think offers insight. This is the bloodiest theater of the revolution there were more battles in South Carolina. More people were killed in South Carolina in any of the other 12 colonies. That's just a huge surprise for guests with four signers of the Declaration of Independence in Charleston. Four signers of the Constitution controlled and that's not well understood. George Washington spent a week in Charleston in 1791 and he wrote that he never entertain lavishly to the most elegant parties you'd ever attended one Charleston and that the prettiest lady she'd ever seen were in Charleston and you're listening to Tommy do and it's not a walking tour but very chronological toward greater economic tour integrate social tour, one of America's great cities when we come back more with Tommy do's walking tour of Charleston South Carolina. Millions will make Medicare coverage decisions for next year and United healthcare can help you feel confident about your choices for those eligible Medicare annual enrollment runs from October 15 through December 7.

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Another really big surprise for outsiders is the permissive Charleston.

We have so many social first. The first theater in America for racetrack in America first golf club in America. Widespread gambling city back lotteries the oldest professionals, legal from the beginning through to our Navy base matriculated hundreds of thousand soldiers post to and they were riddled with STDs and so because of medical concerns that write laws against first that's in the 1940s, the French call this the Paris of the New World British gold was the crown jewel of America but at the same time New Englanders cultural since Solomon they saw Charleston as centers of global Solomon with surprises people.

The confusion comes from the fact that there now chronicles the Bible Belt, really. The North was the Bible Belt first hundred 50 years.

So the real question is what happens to the north and south swap personalities and that's about immigration.

Once again we start getting people in the early 1800s when they start industrializing building factories and risk north.

They also invest in infrastructure, railroads, canals, and it's a magnet for immigration in the South is back. So basically from the 1820s to the 1970s is 150 years with the Southeast is not received same rights as everybody else. Southern families grow deep roots in the have a longer more traditional view than the North, which had been uptight was overwhelmed.

Immigration 200 years ago, suddenly found herself to be multicultural or liberal progressive. The South was increasingly homogeneous, conservative, moralistic, it impacts everything accents talk about that little bit, but the South East Coast lacks is Elizabethan English. My accent coming from Richmond. I've got a form of what toddler exit surround Chesapeake Bay that exit was established by people from southern England in the early 1600s, non-aerobic accents for softy drawl you hold your vowel and you pull are out a foul ball will go to the bathroom, bathroom, my grandfather loved to go down to the river tomatoes and toddlers. That's Elizabethan English language is linguistically closer to Elizabethan English and what is currently being spoken in the none of us difficult to believe, but it is in fact if you go to the mountains of the cell become Scottish Scots of the next great migration to go up the rivers looking for available land in the mountains catching suits is an old saying in the south the Glendon Glade about the lots are settled by the Scott. So instead of trawling, holding your vowel you will get it up in the back your mouth more like by rule and so you have a Scottish brogue in the mountains of the self in English drawl on the coast in their role because they were generally undisturbed. Another subtlety self and the lack of rations that we view ourselves Southerners to not people.

We don't care about word from came from overseas care about being Southern so the joke is Southerners saw the Yanks northern people consistently more newly rough, people tend to get excited romanticizing with the grandparents northern people tend to have these flavors attacked Irish-American Italian American Chinese-American Southerners to not see themselves that way we been here long enough to be from here deftly noticed yet, whether from it's usually where they woke up this morning, whether from us, whether people are people always say Charleston as I know him from Richmond, will you lived for 35 years of Charleston say no I am not I am from Richmond. People from Virginia I live here, but I'm from there and that's subtlety is where you people are. That's where you're from, it's not really right now I get so many tours who will say this is my favorite city I love it so much. You're so fortunate to live here there is a secret sauce. There is a feeling I get when I come to Charleston and I can't explain what is the and I would say ultimately it is the defense of the human scale. So in the late 1800s engineering really improve the elevator and the first skyscraper comes to fruition in Chicago 1880. This place was so screwed up. It was boarded up and bankrupt.

There was no money, just building and that would not come until after two and by the time there was some desire to go was too late because preservation laws and zoning laws, well-crafted preservation says building is 75 document tear down and you can't corrupt the façade can't do anything. The exterior of an older building with good compromise its actors. So, to put skyscraper in downtown Charleston. You have to tear down the block of old things that directly violates respiration and is there is a four-story threshold. Much of the city that's called the human scale until the beam in the elevator were invented cities around the world built to four stories install because the great materials of human history, or would brick and stone would brick in the same low potential to get you to four stories efficiently.

Gotta stop can actually add 1/5 story, but it would double the cost of construction yet to make the foundation so massively. That fifth layer just did not make sense of this always been economic efficiency of four stories or less around the world. Thousands of years and so cities around the world. It's very similar densities maintain a four-story threshold population will live worship work go to school social shop within a 1 to 3 mile radius. The bulk of your existence will be in one place and not spread too thin, and as a citizen for yourself into that piece of turf big cities embrace new technology ripped out scale study going vertical. They created jobs. They also created leaders. So now large cities suffer from millions of anonymous workers. People often our work was awful busy and had to be aggressive, to be competitive and unfortunately there anonymous incivility inherently breaks down in that situation in a place like Charleston you don't get to be anonymous. You see the same people day after day and you know them in various ways. You cannot walk the streets of Charleston without seeing people that you know that you have frequent and often deep engagements block to block and that enhances the ability the reason that this is been voted the most mannered city in America because this the human scale provides accountability. You do not get to be anonymous and so when you live in Charleston you feel like you live in the village yet we have the amenities cultural impact of the city. That's millions and millions of people. I think one of the most interesting barometers of civility is how people use their car horn. People in Charleston refrain from using their will give you little to say hi or they might honk the horn. If there's an emergency, but they don't use the horn to express themselves block to block. I had a tourist from Philadelphia mature a few years ago and the night before the tour she had pulled in detail and she was lost in. She was at stoplight.

5 o'clock rush-hour traffic couldn't find her hotel. She was buried in her map and she spaced out and when she looked up. The light was yellow, red, she sat front of the line tire green light and she looked in the rearview mirror. There a lot of cars. Not one car blue.

Every car behind her gave her the benefit of the doubt and blew her mind. She had an epiphany. She said this is the way that life is supposed to be so feel people come to Charleston from busy situations from these large metros long commutes spread utterly to the and they come here and it's it nurtures their soul. This is the way that life used to be, perhaps, is supposed and what a beautiful piece. A special thanks to Tommy do his walking tour of Charleston South Carolina captured by our own Philip Graham moved from San Diego to Charleston and a special thanks to Greg Hagler for the production on the piece as well. And by the way we learn so much historically about the city and culturally about the city not by all means visit, but that idea of the defense of the human scale and it's true. When you go there you will be struck most by the fact that there are just no tall buildings and there's a lot of light. Because of that, there's a lot of intimacy because of that story here on our American story