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1943 and America’s Nazi/Soviet Conundrum and Standing Proudly On Deformed Feet

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June 23, 2022 3:05 am

1943 and America’s Nazi/Soviet Conundrum and Standing Proudly On Deformed Feet

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June 23, 2022 3:05 am

On this episode of Our American Stories, Stephen Ambrose shares a WWII story beginning in January of 1943 with the Soviet victory over the Nazis at Stalingrad and ending with the Allied resolution of Unconditional Surrender. Chloe Howard, Author of Stand Beautiful: A Story Of Brokenness, Beauty and Embracing It All, shares her story of what it was like growing up with a club foot.

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Stephen Ambrose is one of America's leading biographers and historians.

The core of Ambrose's phenomenal success. This is simple and straightforward belief that history is biography, history is about people he would always say Ambrose passed in 2002, but his epic storytelling accounts and now be heard here. Our American stories thanks to those who run his estate. They will be hearing the story early 1943 during World War II. Let's jump right in with the Soviet victory over the Nazis at the battle of Stalingrad 1943 got off to a great start for the Allied cause, because at the end of January general Yvonne polish surrendered at Stalingrad the red Army took a bag of 250,000 prisoners had probably killed a killed and wounded another half million German soldiers in this titanic struggle at Stalingrad, and it lost themselves the red Army a million men, but a closer Army could make up those manpower losses in a way that the Germans could not Stalingrad was it was the pivot point of the war. After Stalingrad the really wise not much, if any question as to who was going to win this war. The questions now were how long is it going to take what price is going to have to be paid and increasingly among the allies Britain and the United States and the Soviet Union. In this very strange alliance who's going to get one at the end of the war.

Stalingrad for the military's military side and the several war was the great battle and the decisive battle after Stalingrad the Germans never again took the offense of an Eastern front.

Having said all that, in and adding to that Americans need to remember always that date out of every 10 Wehrmacht soldiers killed in the second world war were killed by the red Army. That doesn't mean by any stretch of the red Army won the war by itself, but it doesn't he think they made a contribution, without which Britain and America could never have won the war. Indeed, the truth of the second world war. Is that no two of the three great allies were sufficiently strong to Germany, Britain, Soviet Union together Canada United States and the Soviet Union without Britain could it took all 3 January 1943 also saw the great wartime conference. The second than the first of been the Arcadia conference at the end of 1941 at the beginning of 1943 the second great conference of between the Western Allies took place at Casablanca in Morocco, Roosevelt and his staff met with Churchill and his staff to plan operations for 1943. At these meetings.

The first thing the American said to the British was low course. You understand that having monitory can put all of the strength that we have in the North Africa Roundup 1943 invasion of France is definitely off. We don't have the resources to do that because I was astonished. The study was to hear this way. Whether he was telling the truth or not can't be said the announcement to style and that there was not going to be a second front in 1943 that left the Soviet dictator Jack shaking with Ray. He had been demanding a second front ever sense that earth hated the Soviet Union in June 1941 now and in your you meet Russians today and talk about why was there this terrible long delay before the second front was mounted in the course.

We won the war. The Russians will tell you more or less by ourselves and you guys getting dare come in until we had utterly defeated the Wehrmacht and there was just a shell of the force that Hitler bragged was an Army sec. the world is never seen. By the time you guys came into the real war in 1944.

I can't forbear saying that it really came hard to install and begging for a second front 1942 in 1943 the French go to. So where the hell was the second front 1941 Hitler was overrunning France. What were you guys doing.

That's when the second front to the bed long he could've been attacking the Germans instead of cooperating with that of entering into an alliance with what leaving that aside, Stalin, are easy when you be embarrassed by his past action. Stalin was in a desperate situation. Soviet Union was taking horrendous casualties. The Germans occupied very large parts of the Soviet empire and Stalin desperately needed to have the pressure taken off and he was fighting up to 200 German and Allied divisions on the Eastern front and so naturally he demand the opening of the second front Churchill had tried to persuade Stalin that the campaign in North Africa. It was a genuine opening of the second front of it is to Stalin that it was utterly unacceptable. The Germans never had more than three divisions in North Africa North Africa was clearly not going to be a decisive theater in this war. Russia very much still had her back against the wall. Even after the victory at Stalingrad the Soviet Union was knotted and no water on its last legs. But the price of taking on the Wehrmacht by themselves was going to be very high.

He was desperate to get a Stalin was to get a second front opened in France to force the Germans to transfer divisions from their Eastern front over to France to take the pressure off the Russians and you listen to Stephen Ambrose's told the story of the year 1943 the critical year in World War II when we come back more Stephen Ambrose's urine.

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Let's pick up where we last left off with Stephen Ambrose, now a combination of things came together at this Casablanca meeting. First of all, the second were not to have a second front 1943. Somebody's got to explain this to Stalin and I pause here to make this point I say had to explain to stop what I mean is the great fear on the part of the Western Allies in World War II was always that Stalin would make a separate piece that you would go back to the situation that prevailed before June 1941 that is it to all practical purposes, Germany and the Soviet Union would be allies if that happened it wasn't a chance in the world United States and Britain could invade France against all strength, and there were some fingers came out from Berlin in the fall of 1942 is the Stalingrad battle was beginning and they continued through the winter of 4243 of the Germans, wondering if Stalin would be interested in a separate piece that it had a certain appeal to Stalin. Especially if he felt as he was beginning to feel increasingly was that the Western allies were willing to sell the Soviet Union down the river, or more precisely at the Western allies were perfectly happy to walk Nazis killing, and communist killing Nazis and he was right to feel that way because off a lot of people in the Western world did think exactly that. Not, however, the leaders either. Especially not the military leaders all who realize that if you try to play that game. The Nazis would very likely win the war and if they did they would then take over the world and if they didn't the communist when the war and they would end up with all of the resources, especially in human resources Western Europe under their control and that would be a world that we want to live it either. But as between the two dangers Nazi dominated Europe or a communist dominated Europe.

Roosevelt and Churchill with Marshall and Alan Brock and Eisenhower all of the leaders of the great alliance of the United States were in agreement that a Nazi victory would be worse. I think in retrospect, the time is proven right. We now reach a point in world history and would both of those reasons are in the ashcan of history, Nazi-ism is been gone since 1945, and communism is God. If World War II. It turned out the other way with the Nazis victorious in Europe.

I don't know how we ever got Nazis. I don't think that they would've withered on the vine in the way that the communist their own people turned against him. Well, that's a lot of speculation anyway. Stalin in 1943 wanted a second front going to get one and the this was a tough one to explain to that fear that he would make a separate piece was very real and I should add that Stalin also had complaints about the dialogue. The his attitude was the first time the Americans go to the offense of this war within a day of the attack. They've cut a deal with the fact his general or in this case Apple and will dialogue and Stalin wondered aloud to the American ambassador. What is this mean that when you get in the Germany you're going to cut a deal with the German Germanys journals.

I like the smell of this at all to reassure Stalin both as to America's determination to stay in this war to the end and America's commitment to the Soviet Union as an ally, and more specifically Duke to guarantee to Stalin that there would be no more dialogue deals that we would not get into a cooperative mode with the German generals, urging them to overthrow Hitler and then will deal with you. Roosevelt came up with a wholly new concept in more that it that decision and that concept also came from. It had many many parents that also came out of avoiding the stake the allies, and particularly Woodrow Wilson made 1980, Roosevelt wanted to make certain that the Germans would never again be able to claim that they were stabbed in the back.

He wanted to Germans understands they had been beaten and came up with the formula called unconditional surrender from Casablanca. He issued a pronouncement seconded by turtle calling on your setting is the objective for the allies in the second world war, the unconditional surrender of the axis powers. Italy, Germany and Japan know what this meant. Nobody knew knowing the restaurant unconditional surrender before it did raise a lot of questions. Was going be running Germany after she surrender wears a governor come from, what kind of the system.

Do you intend to impose on the course.

The strange alliance. It could be that the Russians would get a part of Germany and its unconditional surrender of Germany Bonanza Russians could impose on the Germans release that part of Germany. They occupied their system is only the Americans, the British were impose their system. On the other part of Germany. How could that work out well though he had an answer that at the time, unconditional surrender is received a lot of criticism because of its vagueness and because of the argument that it forced the Germans and the Japanese to fight on when the fight was hope so that it cost a lot of American and British lives that I had a formula for a surrender been worked out. You could ahead of Mike earlier surrender and to save a great deal of the destruction of the second world war and the problem with that argument is, how can anyone imagine a scenario with the German generals managed to get rid salons have arose around with no possibility of dealing with and in fact Roosevelt in the unconditional surrender announcement made it clear that he and he did something else Wilson hadn't done that there will benefit war criminals on trial. There was gonna be punishment for the guilty Nazis. Now that a course made the guilty Nazis fight all that much heart and made all Germans fight that much harder because unconditional surrender gave the gambles the propaganda minister, an ideal tool with which to whip up sediment within Germany. Forget the old mentor taught their beards under their shirts pick up a rifle and go out and fight to get the young boys to do the same because there was a lot of loose talk of the United States. There are a couple senators were talking about.

We ought to castrate all German males and Goebbels was able to pick up on that until the German people. That's what unconditional Cerner dunamis with extra makes a man fight when you hear something like that.

The other side of it, though, is that I'm a national surrender and had a clearance to it a a wiping the slate clean so that when it was all over you could start to rebuild a new Germany weather in the Russian on the Russian model on the American model, you could start to build a new Germany and also had a positive effect on morale within the United States. But most of all, the audience for unconditional surrender wasn't the American people and it wasn't even so much policy towards the government people as it was a reassurance to Stalin when I can deal with anymore. Faxed were in the rest of the bitter end and a great job editing that piece by Greg Hagler and special thanks to the gross estate for allowing us to use the audio of their father died in 2002 we had our American story's want to keep his voice alive. It is such an important voice. By the way World War II Museum. Stephen Ambrose helped start that it's in New Orleans pay a visit go online and listen to the stories is hands down the best museum in this country. Stephen Ambrose story of 1943 and unconditional surrender terms fashion.

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Chloe has written two books misspoken internationally and all before graduating high school years. Chloe with her story, nine surgeries, nine major surgeries. I fire the past 20 years have lived with a very severe congenital deformity. So when I was born my foot was upside down and backwards. I had my first surgery when I was six months old, and then my most recent surgery December 2018 and a large part of my being a girl that's different.

You know the one that shows up to school and writing tasks. The one that has to ask the lake the door open for me as I can will myself through on wheelchair crutches were something that I was used to was just used to being the person that was different. My parents because of their faith. The minute I was born into this with this foundation of gratitude. It was like wow like she's here. I wasn't supposed to live here in the foot okay interesting a really cool curveball.

We will get through this with how how beautiful is this thing that we get to celebrate.

How cool is this difference that we get to. Now I remember being very young, probably three or four and looking out at night outstretched in front of me and being so in awe of just the way my feet loved my growing collection of scars and all the points on my toes were toenail. Should people weren't consistently anxious proud of my feet and what they were going through in I you have these memories of going on daddy daughter date to see my surgeon and having kids in my class is want to always sign my casts and it was kind of exciting having surgery sometimes because it was going back to this place that felt familiar to me, which feels so strange to say that as someone who spent so much time like with nurses and goofing around the surgeons and being in those physically compromising state.

It was this gentle familiarity this very strange but acceptable rhythm of okay this is different and this is me lifting out this difference as I got older. There are moments of me interacting with societal norms.

I remember going to the polls in the summer in seeing all the locals would like their colorful toenail polish to be like okay interesting. I don't have toenail sitting colorful wool shades and so I would take colored sharpies and make little dots on the end of my toes like the illusion that I have a look and then I have moments of clarity rest of the dots of colored sharpie on my feet. This looks very straight. I guess I just toenail us burials.

As I've gotten older very much recognize that many aspects of my childhood looks different because knife different but also there was so much love that I was surrounded by. I mean I think it's very easy to play like the what if game you know I want to believe that I'm a very different Chloe because of the foot that I have is I could be like super soccer players something is afoot that function like golf club but that's not the case. My foot is very interesting and the anatomy very strange and I will never be a fantastic player but I childhood is very full and it wasn't until something happened when I was 14 that those main ideas about myself shifted when I was 14 I was the victim of a sulky crime because of my foot deformity. November 20, 2014 I was attending a private Christian high school, I was very excited to be had never been to big school like that. I was eating lunch with some of my friends and that they quiet area and was approached by two individuals said they click okay because they were like cool kids. I was like so sad. I thought they would ask me a question about school or something and cases like my social insight walked over to the table right next to mine where they and their friends had been sitting, and one of the people say Chloe take off your shoe. I was so confused I could really process the question is like oh what again a person say Chloe take off your shoe and then they turn to their friends and said she doesn't have any toenails.

Remember thinking like oh this is not a normal social interaction that I'm having right now, this doesn't feel right. I don't like this feeling in me no later I look back and recognize that that was one of my first experiences with the concept of consent.

What happens when someone else tries to tell your story for you. I felt naked in it felt strange, I never been ashamed of my foot before I had always okay with telling that story. But in that moment someone else is telling it for me didn't feel good again. The person say Chloe take off your shoe and I said no you know I'm okay. Take up your shoe now thinks I'm good. Take off your shoes.

Now I don't want to. And then another person said okay fine I'll come help and so the two people. One was knelt on the ground and tying my shoe and the other came from behind me and wrap their arms around me.

I froze. I didn't know that I was allowed to lash out. I didn't know that I was allowed to just walk away a thought only about what people would think of me and I didn't want to be the girl that kicked and screamed.

I didn't want to be the girl that walked away and on the security footage you can see me just standing there. This person else beside me and tying my shoe removing the leases completely. You can see this other person standing behind me their arms around me and then you can see them squat and lift me up off the ground. So the first person can remove my shoe and in my sock and then they pull my leg up and pulled it out all their friends lean in and I'm just there, not moving. I remember sitting on the standing trial in the middle testify like watching this clip from the security footage and looks so rigid and all these heads lean in and then they released me and I grabbed my shoe and I grab my sock and I stuck my foot in my sock in my sock in my shoe and I walked back to my table that's 5 feet away and sit down all of the emotional weight that this foot has carried for me and will continue to carry for me throughout my life. All of that was revealed. Following that day in November 2014 I became someone that I recognize I quickly became depressed. My anxiety became very large. Pronounce a couldn't sleep.

I have a hard time eating. I began struggling with suicidal ideation.

This thing that existed my feet used to be this thing that was so proud of and all the sudden there was this big huge gaping hole where that like love and acceptance and pride for the speech had been looked down at my feet. Every day when I was putting on socks and shoes and I was reminded that my feet caused this incident happened listening to Chloe Howard share her story.

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Shame and anxiety returned out of Chloe.

The rest of her story.

The case just appeared on the DAs desk one morning she met with my family. Initially and said this to me reads like a rape case. Then she said you know you were touched when you didn't want to be touched. Articles of clothing removed when you didn't want them to be removed. You said no and those notes were heard them looking at your behavior following the event you withdrew within yourself. You began to doubt your own story. You started to struggle with PTSD and that manifests itself in a very physical way, you were nauseous you were sweating whenever you saw these people. Your body was shaking.

You can eat couldn't sleep. This reads like a rape case. Chloe and I mean these four very large statements here at 14 and it just wrote this narrative that followed me for the next 2 Years Ct. case in the trial several months after my assault. My dad apparently on his Facebook feed he had entered to win this random contest yet donated to a station called red because he really likes you too and then randomly several months after this assault.

He got an email that he had one this event and he was brought onto the FaceTime call and it was this representative from a company called maize that had partnered with Fred to raise awareness for HIV-AIDS and also to sponsor an event that could enable someone to me upon my dad had one like thousands and thousands of people that wanted were not a family that was anything ever, it seems very weird to say that as something that significant in this time where I felt so lost.

I didn't understand what my God was doing with my story.

I just didn't get it there. Is this like bright, exciting thing and so about six months after my assault was like the time when my dad had one happened and so he and I flew out to Denver Colorado and met backstage. We start talking and I ended up telling you my story about my clubfoot and about my assault about how one of his songs had been really influential to me during this time and he looked at me like incredible short Irish man wearing all leather just exuding energy and passion. He looked at me and she was like Chloe. Your voice matters. Chloe quoted King Junior. He said the arc of the universe bends towards justice and love when you speak you speak for those who cannot speak for themselves, and I now had a shift okay. I guess in do something about it that was like this very random very crazy weird kickstart event where an Irish rock star was like climbing this growing up I was super shy. I was 10 out of 10 introvert. I was like the kid that sat on the playground and watch everyone else play, but I felt this thing inside of me that was like I don't like how I feel right now.

I don't like sitting in this whole I don't like feeling lost and separate from myself.

I don't like it. I need to do something about.

I don't want to feel stuck like this forever. So one night when I was supposed to be doing homework. I like to give it a talk.

Definitely one of the most reckless things ever done in my entire life. I applied without telling my parents and four months later got an email saying I had been accepted. Talk and I panicked immediately as this could not prepare for this. I should not have done this not so the next eight weeks I spent writing 16 minutes of material and completely memorizing it. Falling in love with this developing message of self acceptance and love bullying became this idea that I need stand you for me. Same beautiful meant that you were standing on a beautiful foundation and you were actively and continually redefining beauty for yourself because of who you are and not what others said that you were someone August 20, 2016. I walked out onto this type stage. Having never spoken in front of an audience ever and I stood there barefoot on that like iconic red circle shaped carpet and spoke in for the first time in those two years since the assault.

I felt all the power that was for me and my assault was given right back from that initial cuts I started getting a lot of feedback. A lot of like Chloe. Come speak and then come speak at my church. Can I interview you on my show all the sudden it was me realizing that this was so much larger than myself. During this time. Still, I California district attorney decided to prosecute the perpetrators and try them for a felony crime and so I was going through trial.

I was sitting on the stand and having to testify while watching security footage of my assault play on repeat in in trial.

My truth being questioned by like very old professional man, terrifying. I was taught anything in those moments where I was sitting there fighting to get these defense attorneys to just recognize that I was telling the truth. I realize how important it is for us as people to just trust that our experiences are reality to say words and believe their power. It wasn't until I was sitting there on the stand having people try and find holes in my story, trying to sign a timeline and say will it could have been assault he couldn't have ripping off your shoe with the video says that it took more seconds than the term Rich will allow all these little things that made me feel less than worth it. It was in those moments that I decided that I wanted to exist as someone who contained power and I remember walking out of juvenile Hall that the trial was held in feeling so down, but also a life like this energy was racing through me.

They were ultimately sentenced with misdemeanor battery, which is an unlawful touching. I carried the weight of the assault. For many years and it wasn't until the last perpetrator was finally sentenced that I felt like it was right for me to let go.

I think that forgiveness is one of the most divine things we as people have access to and because it's this sacred interaction of grace and justice. I believe that forgiveness should not be rushed. When it's rush it risks being in genuine when the perpetrators resentenced. I felt finally at peace. Enough with the situation to forget my perpetrators I've learned in the past couple years of sharing the story that vulnerability is met with her ability and whenever I show up in sharing the story. People do come up to me and they share a story similar that reminded them of their something they're currently going through and I feel so humbled and honored in grateful to be a part of that journey and the fact that they trust me with these stories is it makes sense to me because this life again like it it is it easy when we talk about it and are able to share the harder things are going through it becomes that much easier.

One of my most favorite things to come out of this is finding this community of people with club feet growing up was super isolating having clubfoot because I didn't know anyone else, especially one as severe as mine. Now I know people all around the world to have feet like mine and have the same surgeries is mine the same scars I do and I think it's this powerful lake illustration of this metaphorical truth that like we all have scars, but when we become okay with the fact that scars are just these really special manifestations of pain we've overcome when crazy cool things happen but I do know that even though it's my name on the spines of those books and it is my face that has been seen on TV like it's not about me.

It just happened to be me a great job on the piece by faith and what a story we all have scores, you said there special manifestations of pain overcome story calling Howard here on our American stores