Best Of MSL 2020 22: Believe In The Lord Jesus

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My neighbor, my wife go through. Bible, one of the local leaders in the air that we live in for teachers for teachers to partner ARP church which were part of day you like you don't have women pastors that kind of thing but teach and teach like the Beth Moore study on tabernacle and things like that.

Amazing teachers of Scripture is the quality or damage to really study the power to the Lord before she is going on. Anyway, she a powerful teacher and I've been to some of the class meetings that some wondering if you what you think about that. She's not a pastor. She doesn't aspire to be pastors but she does have she's a prophetess in ways I think she knew. She teaches a lot more stuff, that is, in the context of the church. If in a church. She teaches that okay then another soprano there women are not to teach or exercise authority over men with silence first Adam was first created.

First Timothy 212 and 13.

She's gifted that her gifts are to be used in teaching the parameters that God's ordained and permitted, it would be women and children. Not that those are an unimportant or extremely important in Jesus demonstrate that submission to the word of God. In that context. If men are going in there and she's teaching authoritatively teaching the word of God and that would be a problem now there are gray areas and this and this is a problem. Back in the day of the early church like that actually written. For example, they didn't have Internet. They didn't have assemblies for people to gather and of the five laws of spiritual chew toy time could be distributed and people just go wasn't like that before the persecution and the elders had to be men by declaration of Scripture. And that's how it's will to be tightened of the critical work, not the this culture and so this is hostile to be what we do. When I say woman is good take something were meant to be present.

Sometimes no problem. So, for example, in the Westminister theological seminary where got my Masters of Divinity in 1991. We was there and therewith they brought in a week long. Where women as people brought in to teach and the classes were opened to the public. One of the classes they had the right and a woman to teach, and I attended that class because I was on the topic of how women could be used in the church. I thought this perfect and fortunately I was the only guy in the class, which I thought was very unfortunate but I have no problem at all with a woman coming to the seminary in teaching and teaching Greek teaching even select little principles, etc. she's not teaching authority to context in the church with the eldership in a position of authority in the church as we have to be as careful as we can to draw the line the right place without being well whacked so the church studying the seminary staff that have a problem with this, at least as far as I'm aware of because it did happen. So how does that carry over to a seminar. For example, outside of the church well a seminar outside of the church can woman teach about astrophysics. Absolutely I'd love to go teach me all you can do what about a seminar teaching authoritatively from the word of God. I would have a problem with that. Personally I don't think I would attend because I don't think she's recognizing the proper place. But then I couldn't get dinette hill either. I can't find any place in Scripture that says in such a context that is not to be done.

That's why said I wouldn't attend I wouldn't hold anybody you don't in a negative way. If they did, what about the same thing going on on a church property. The church is sanctioned and now she's teaching that context, that's what I would have a problem is too close to the church related issue if that makes sense. This is not exactly easy to to work through because there is a lot of gray areas. You got it there RJ are you doing teaching Beth Moore stuff anyway because if Mark needs a lot of help and cut shows lack of discernment that argues that start all right. No, I appreciate your input all right by Brian God bless what Daniel from Laredo for legal Gary Yep again okay so that we can do. Their salvation and we have to maintain work to keep salvation that he used that Hebrew Hebrew passage is used with the fact that he says that we have three, six and 10 okay, that one in chapter 3 sick and in it he because you have to obey him, and we have to follow him on that. We have to actually do good works to maintain salvation, he does say that were justified by faith he just said that we have to do good works to maintain salvation. Otherwise, the way asking this just to see okay so you had to be saved by your faith in your works right to me to say yeah okay what just give me a list of C3 works.

You go to do and I had this conversation with people and and see what you got out you can't send are you I had people tell me things like, you can go to an R-rated movie.

I've had people tell me stuff like that, or you can't this or that or you must do such and such waiver might be and get a list and so it just just asking questions according to what he says is going to do are you doing these things. If he says will yes so okay and you're doing them perfectly because that's what God requires be holy, for I am holy are you holy doing this in holiness if he says yes while he's obviously incredibly arrogant, good point this out. What happens is I went out we had with people one person tell me that you have to do it all the perfectly serious but they'll say things like that when I try oh so you're not doing it because if you're trying to doesn't mean you're doing you're trying to do it. Not doing so by your own standard your damned by your own standard if you try. That means you're not succeeding you succeed and you fail to succeed or fail. And so you're not doing it in and I ask him any repent of your sins. Yes have you repented of the same sent more than once. Yes, all so then you continue to go into sin after receiving the knowledge of the truth.

Any girl he was 6426 words that it's impossible to move them again to repentance after to the knowledge of the truth you don't take on misusing their position is not the biblical position as he was so what you're saying is that that if you believe he was 64260 that sin willfully after receiving knowledge of the truth in then you know what you're no longer make a sacrifice for sin, so that means by your own standard your damned to hell right now because you repented and commit the same sin soap and you do your sins on your own forces you and so this is how I talk to them. I want that if they want to live by the law, to help him out with Alana take that law and I'm going up pilot upon her back is a heavy bag in the Chronicle to jump listening to illicit okay so you do as a mouse man and the so you know this would how you doing at approaching like that and is when the lawyer said look to Jesus, what good thing was to be safe you said what is the law say he answered him, according to what he was asking him what he was teaching what good things like I do will do this this and this and that then we couldn't Jesus was showing it so your standard say they gonna do here right now I find it in yellow are six but you verse 27 Whitehead and a bottle when he said they follow me. The thing that you know you have to make it work didn't say that they have to follow me maintain the good works. Show me that in the text. Let me tell you something.

This is what you do.

He will go to my sheep hear my voice.

I know them and they follow me. See you gotta follow them in order to be saved.

Can you show me where it says you can follow to be saved, you just modify the word of God, you take take him to Genesis 31 through just 3126 were Satan said to Eve, did God really say you don't don't eat of the tree and what Eve did was modified the statement of God, just a little bit don't eat or touch it got insane or touch it. So just a little bit of the modification is something that the devil himself does pointed out say so when we read the text here you're saying that the following part of the text is must must be that in order to keep himself saved. But that's not the case is. I asked why do you keep adding to the word of God while you change the very words of Christ were to make it fit what you wanted to say is this a sign of a false conference. I'll say this over and over again is not to be insulting. I want to look at Galway's hearing the words false convert many many times and the reasons for as well. Okay, that whoever believes I hate that whoever is not okay eight that okay) okay so okay obey the sun and what is Jesus say is necessary. Ask him please show me what Jesus says you must obey to be saved. Jesus has come to me and I'll give you rest right math 1128 so you got to go to Christ and and have rest. Are you obeying him and doing not going straight to Jesus. Jesus is asking anything in my name and I will do it. Look for John 1414 are you doing that asking Jesus you but by faith. What good things are you going to do in order to keep yourself saved and showing where Jesus says you gotta do that and you can also just go to Luke 18 starting at verse nine and he told a parable about the Pharisee, the task counter went up to the temple and the Pharisee said I think you would like other people, swindlers, unjust, adulterers, or even like this tax gatherer.

I fast twice a week I pay tithes of all that I get so what he's doing is he saying this. What I don't do and this is what I do is a believer in God and he said the tax gatherer didn't do anything to said God be merciful to me, the sinner which one was saved.

The one who did nothing and also you go to Romans 453 it says to the one who does not work but believes in him justifies the ungodly's faith was credited as righteousness. Okay or you agree that we are that we have to work take Nancy try this asking this question. Are we justified by faith. When we have faith, are we not justified by faith we have faith you have to say we have faith. Good did Jesus forgive us all of our sins are only part of our sins. This little more complicated. If you said were edified by faith asking where we did when we are justified did Jesus cleanse us of all of our sins because he go to Colossians 213, having forgiven us all our transgressions if you can be consistent.

He's good have to say that's only up to the place where you repent will then the rest of your sins are up upon you. You there do good works to keep up.

He's teaching a false gospel. If he says Jesus forgive all of our sins that all of you want to learn some theology you can go to the Carmack daughter of website CARS right hand side of any facial sale laptop that is as online schools. Just click on that and you can on the side of the school and if you want to know your theology.

This is the place to do it to go to seminary cable to Bible college. Not sure which book to read everything apologetic for 40 years and thousands and thousands of thousands of hours of teaching and debating things like that and I've learned what needs to be taught the basics not just so basic. If you don't have any information on me the basics and some input into the schools in a logical and if you learn anything or that theology school to learn about the hypostatic union justification and fixation you learn about these things. We can think is best. Matt slick take away Matt all right, let's get to Bonnie from North Carolina, Bonnie, welcome to my golf shirt. I have a question about believing that God typically for my and that The belief that art cannot believe that Scripture may, Christ died for the ungodly. And I believe on the ungodly. I believe that all me that it, like if there's some way to know that it is physically for me okay you even would you want to know if he specifically bore your sin and specifically you right now that yes you can personify 13 says these things are written so you might know you have eternal life through me ask you, do you know you have eternal life. Now I don't let me ask some class doubted it for a long time and I struggled and did a lot of reading and breaking on me help you and I get my younger days I did delete that now I'm at the point where I don't know if they can have scout says Mike.

I can't when I think about Jesus dying on the cross, typically for my fans backpack cannot believe it at that trailer is not there any nonsense I would hit the back way I should believe I'm starting to do some theology or chemical some verses on the go reform done to hear read the Bible says in Ephesians 1, four and five that he chose us in him, God the father chose us in Christ before the foundation of the world is beautiful, the universe existed people were chosen for salvation to be glorified is what I was saying in second Thessalonians 213 you are chosen for the beginning for salvation says that it also says that those were given to the sun will come to the sun and he will never cast them out.

John 637 through 42. The Bible says. It also says that Jesus canceled the certificate of debt sin debt at the cross is what Soucy didn't say you canceled it. When you believe does not say that since canceled at the cross. Now here's what's interesting if it's canceled at the cross whose it canceled for his cattle 2000 years ago before you were born, was a candidate for everybody relived what can't be the case because if that's the case, then everybody has to go to heaven. Thing is, it must be that he can't. It's canceled for those given to him by the father make perfect sense. Jesus said I came in and to his sheep. He says the Pharisees, you're not my sheep.

John 10 he talks about this and we can make it, but I can go on make a very strong case Jesus came for the ones given to him by the father and this is from the foundation of the world.

I know the Bible also says that the unbeliever cannot receive the things of God for the foolishness to him for script is 214 these kinds of things are such things as Jesus is God in flesh that he became one of us that he walked on the earth that he was beaten and whipped and nailed to a cross and on that cross. He bore our sin in his body died with those sins. He paid for them. There, that's what says he canceled the certificate of debt right there is Lemanski Bonnie, do you believe that about rivalry with God come in the flesh. I believe that in the Bible and blade golf. I believe that he lived the perfect life that I should know believe that the went to the crowd bearing and taking the wrath of God for thin. I believe that he had been raised from the dead eyed lady fit at the right hand of God in heaven and earth statement for all the labor and not traveling is okay will leaving on my fan content not only teach you something, or because you are answering all the stuff I needed to ask you, you would had said yes you believe the firm from a firm with the Bible says the unsaved.

The unsaved can't do that.

First Corinthians 214 the natural man cannot receive the things of God for the foolishness to him.

He cannot receive them, leave them understandable. He will not know women to a course you receive those things that here's the thing you can't if you're not a believer in trust or in Christ giving illustration of something you had asked okay how is what I believe different from gaming site because Bailey only okay and God.

The thing the demons believe in John 219 you believe the God is one well to do is believe also there's a difference in what we call in theology between fiduciary and Essentia fiducial is the theological term, it means heartfelt trust Essentia assent mental assent. Essentia is just with the devil has yeah Jesus is real he is and have fiducial trust in so you have fiducial you have that faith because you said you trusting. You believe that he died.

The cross growth in the dead for sins in his body wrote all this and you can't have that. Because it's my faith and here's what Philippians 129 says it to use been granted to believe God granted that you have believe he gave the faith. The fact it says in John 620 29. This is what must we do to work the works of God and Jesus says this is the work of God, that you believe, on whom you sent your belief is God's work you have faith because God granted to you. Now if God gave you the faith to believe these things and God and faith in you to believe these things is that faith good enough yeah and I believe that all work will follow blade within five unpaid good lark and that would be to glorify him you believe these things right II day. I recently went through a trial that made me wonder because it revealed to me about. I have unforgiveness and joy. I don't know how long I have lived with unforgiveness like house lines. I may fly me like I may have only forgiven one person in my life. I'm thinking one years old were I'm 63 I sound like an me to tell you if you are just welcome welcome to the club. Welcome to the club of wheat. Do not do we stop you're supposed to do because were not good enough and were learning more about the depravity of her own heart.

As we grow in Christ. That's what we do as Christians. Nobody fit forgives perfectly.

I have summoned my family and I had to forgive and I did until I found out, 15, 20 years later I hadn't I thought I had but I wasn't at that place of spiritual growth. Yet before I could find out that I hadn't really thought I had, but it took a new level of maturity understandable for realized I hadn't that maturity comes because of God's work in the believer will bring all five night may realize like that Barth about calling God a liar Coming to my mind and like our thinking because I can't forgive on left knee unforgiven and I shared it with somebody and they said lower cancer not true, not wanting to forgive God is and then it seemed like I had some relief from it but Dan Parsons said another things and then it made it flare all up again and let it out.

My aunt and my accent lied to me what the whole problem more than I thought. Is God trying to show me that idea that I'm calling him a liar because I was now only you do. Just like God only because of his children will not take effect folks over in the novel's novella and a sideline on your check bathroom, homepage as well. One call time trap sci-fi know atheist.

That's a novella is about developing on island theological examination without making sure the problem is jeweler to go Matt slick to get all the way back to look back to the show Bonnie, are you still there so I hope it helps some good yeah there that Barth about the natural man not able to accept the things of the spirit of God think that's what when inmate a that I'm united and have been wondering forever in my favor. Not that that thing about the listener in a hat.

The Gentiles think it bullish and you have a great right is one sweater that yes they think yet you don't think that you you show signs of regeneration.

It challenged me on the link that I mean with unforgiveness situation because I don't even want to forget and upright. Forgive me for not even wanting anything. It made me get understand how God again and I'm like, what if it even name taper gap and on. I let them think like a loud preaching online and stuff is somebody described forgiveness as being able to cancel the debt and want you cancel the debt part got you anything you shouldn't be trying to punish man to exact from them and down like what I like God even when we know everything we say, think or do. And it all bottled heat. How we have a look.

You don't have colors waiting and try to dismiss you, but the reason God would do this because of the love that sent him not because of what he sees in us. This is why he forgive because of his great love, but he has love you eternally. You certainly sound regenerated to me. Let me lead with with this illustration okay this is a that you and I are not in the boat out a few miles from the ocean and we see two people in the water and restrict close oddly enough there's no boat is nothing that is in the water is windy and very difficult to maneuver the boat and we take a life preserver tight rope to it and throw it out of them and were yelling at them and grab the life preserver. One of them is struggling is not doing very well but is struggling to get that life preserver and the other one is just facedown in the water is not struggling Lemanski which one of those is alive when struggling when not struggling right struggling and which is the one alive in Christ, the one struggling or not struggling.

One struggling your struggling the dead. It is on struggling your struggling to do what Christ wants you to to reach out and is not perfect. It's not easy but you see it you confess it and what you do is you do what's right in your heart often changes to follow it. Look at your heart, look at the word of God is a harsh display with a deceitful cannot be trusted. So if you keep looking at your heart and how you feel we can or can't do that. You're always can have doubts if you look at Christ and what he's done the cross. If you believe him or not, and that all that regard, then you can have assurance and then you can work out the details as you continue on.

Okay, that's what you gotta do it on my luck so much right okay all right look blessed body. Okay you two, and folks pray for Bonnie Mitchell had a clear clear understanding and assurance. Let's get to Russell from Asheboro, North Carolina Russell, welcome you earlier hey, I was wrong that you know how you like it was last Friday about forgiveness. You feel like you had for yeah and offended somebody and yeah okay you and I used outside the mall on a bad situation where you really don't get a hold of the person and you know it's just easier, so I lowered and I think Diane and right it's generally how it works is I recommend is that if you been convicted by the Lord to be reconciled to people, then what you're obligated to do is go be reconciled if the person across the street you calm up you walk across the street you talk and you get it taken care of.

What you do if the person you so speak. Need to forgive or be forgiven of as passed away and what you do.

There is no positive way to get a hold of that person and so therefore you're done and you just give it to the Lord, Lord, you know. Please forgive me, or whatever desk and you work through it that way and you trust God and that is Alyssa say that in between there.

Those two extremes. Let's say that is a person that you've offended or had offended you reconciliations of issue and the person still alive and well, you don't know where the person is or that person this morning to do with you and refuse of the continent to return your contact attempts.

Then at that point, you're free. You've tried to do what's right and it's out of your hands when someone else stops the means of reconciliation, forgiveness, etc. if they will participate in its on their shoulders, not your okay Ron. Well I I when I went out and I met another guy that elusive person that I feel like that I made a united as forgiveness that lasted did this person ever saying saying that I have said anything that is an anything I said no they never did and I think you know that our file number in the end tax planning is like Natalie said a list just a rare hooray for me. One time, in a fit the organization name alone stating they ran under and then I really don't know anything about McMillan's name in and as so high acid was an outspoken member and friend after the out for like that at that time they had and again admin on my mind all my heart. I've asked God to forgive me if possible that he could bring this person. My wife somehow Lindley could tell that you know other than that out for light and I want your opinion only. If you feel like I've been everything in my power will not necessarily see, I'm a very very literalist everything in your power you could sell your house and hire a team of detectives and people to go find the guy get another team to abduct him and blindfold him given reporting apologized so everything now. Have you done what's reasonable yes no if you you're trying you're trying to make a manager trying to contact Israel no reasonable way to get a hold of the person, then you're free okay okay well now I now have a look at it out in alarming I can go to the gas station and I am profit if you never know that Hallie unlikely you know what, if that happens you know it's for the Lord to go take care of you move on. But if you can't, and is bothering you, then it becomes an issue of trusting Christ in his sufficiency and forgiveness and you have to rely on him because sometimes what will do his will want to beat ourselves up. We don't have to not messing don't get reconciled, but if it's out of your hands and you desire it, but you can't do that then used to lean on God all the way and that's good enough. Okay aftershave Manchu and I let out. Glad that I went out referendum. The night not a catalyst on my card. I was having embarrassed in bed.

You know I will.

I lowered this… They have in the direction I feel I made a an Internet limit bandit outlets in part okay okay I appreciate limit arraignment gullibility. Let's get on the phones to see this week is Jonathan from Canada and Jonathan welcome you on your right not. I thank you for taking my call. Welcome. We got you with all evangelism think and be talking with the Mormon later today and I was just wondering like theology, if different from like penal substitutionary atonement. We want any other like topics I should go deep into it with them in the Mormons yet is Jesus. Latter Day Saints writes I would go to penal substitution necessarily unless you're very familiar with verses like Colossians 214 first Peter 224. Let's see what else would you need Matthew six of four and Luke 11 1211 for Luke 612 Matthew 612 in the club for you to know these verses in your head to build argue with them so so for them back and I'll give you some pointers that would okay different ways of doing the hold on our right to vote right back after these messages, please. And now a moment of truth with Matt sleep if you believe in Christ then serve and serve that with Anita.

Mary don't bow the knee to of the hope don't bow the knee to anybody be included. Trust in Jesus Christ and him alone and don't believe that you have to keep commands to be saved because were just incapable only one person everything good was Jesus killed you and I can't. You cannot cannot do any good work and keep the commandments of the same, that is blasphemy is with the Jehovah's Witnesses, teach us with the Mormons teach it with Eastern Orthodox churches is what Islam teaches Christianity's. This has been a moment of truth with Matt. Sleep was a mess, Matt slick, take it all away Matt welcome back to the show. Jonathan, are you still there all right see one eyewitness to some Mormons right right yet. Well, what I would do is go to Karma.org CRM.orgy and look up impossible gospel and in that article, you'll find a home some information verses to go to like him running 10 3275 goodness.

I quoted some least sold that all my goodness, forgetting signify 1990 need to find the second outfit with Rick where it talks about the necessity that they have to do and and go through in order to be forgiven of their sins, signify 2523 you're saved by grace. After all we can do while doing all they can do you go to Moron I 1032 this is on the article.

If you deny yourself of all ungodliness, then, is God's grace sufficient for you and then you can go to D&C 37 where it says in there that if you see in the same sin again 82, seven to the soul that sins all his former sins shall return back to him legal release thanks to to them is that of their works sick well are you good enough. Things are witnessing to them about the issue of what salvation really is and forgiveness of sins, and so with that idea is to promote their own Scriptures to them to show that their own Scriptures teach the impossible gospel can be saved and Mormonism can be forgiven of your sense because because the Bible because the Bible but the book of Mormon requires all you can do signify 2523 deny yourself of all ungodliness second stream running 1032 and then in D&C 82, seven that if you sin, the former sins.

All these these the guilt of the formal sins come back upon you, so you know it's basically it's a non-Christian religion is a non-Christian Christ in a non-Christian gospel. This is why they teach this so I was there noted that like Morgan use Christian terminology, yet different way. They're making a great grace is the premise of same things unmerited favor except for them it really kind isn't his kind like Roman Catholicism's view of grace exhibit with Catholicism. Grace is the substance is infused into you by participating sacraments at subparagraph 1999. But that's not what we think teacher and Mormonism. But they do teach that grace is basically something you cooperate with God in order to obtain is not really grace both of false religions mess up what grace really is. Grace is the unmerited favor of God. You should know that some of Yorty do when really recommend you do is go to Carmen look up the terminology differences with the Mormons and Christians you must know what they mean by Trinity salvation Jesus forgiveness have been. These are a few basic terms, you must know what they are talking about, but you don't have time to do that. You're not sure what they mean. They just speak in terms of definitions solicited think you believe the Trinity said you believe in one God exists simultaneously simultaneously three distinct persons who is always been God. It was never a man so you affirm and deny injured and that definition then that will get it out in the Delta will notably that and that's how you get past that problem okay. What what we did leave, Jesus accomplished on the cross felt well they did teach that the atonement began in the Garden of Gethsemane when Jesus with blood, and it was finished on the cross so they deny the sufficiency of the cross because that was on the cross that he bore our sins in his body. The cross is first Peter 224 and so they mistake that, but nevertheless they believe that he basically opened the way for Mormons to be able to obtain salvation.

After all they can do with their sincerity of heart, with their efforts and that it's up to you because your free agency to be able to get baptized in the Mormon church so you can go to the proper level of heaven were three heavens of the health Nordic to have progression if you really could give celestial light become a God of your plan. So none of this is biblical. All of this is contradictory Scriptures, and of course in there with a doing the article the Mormon church. They'll say that the Bible is true insofar as is quickly translated with a mean by translated is interpreted as the Mormon site that doesn't interpret me translate translation is from one language to the written, this lookup translate and so well. They put down the word of God in order to hold her Mormonism with a believe the word of God. The could be Mormons. So just like Satan put doubts into Eve's mind about the word of God. Did God really say is just a phrase but it means you believe in God, what he says and then you know the Mormons don't believe that God is capable of preserving his work and the great apostasy. This is the MO of the modus operandi of a lot of cults. Those apostasy in their profit with a prophetess brought back the truth and restored the truth except Mormonism, Jehovah's Witnesses, Christian science unity and Islam teaches that and so their profit there prophetess, whatever is revelation of truth you submit to it that profit or prophetess teaches and their all that Kurt went totally apostate. Once the lot overnight low. I bothered to stay with the church fathers don't go there. You what we can do is listen to this Learning Center to K and it talks about their great falling away apostasy okay and what you do is read what it actually says and backed let no one in any way deceive the second Thessalonians 2 verse three let no one any way deceive you, for it will not come unless the apostasy comes first, and the man of lawlessness is revealed as a destruction so the apostasy comes with the man of lawlessness.

The antichrist is not on the scene is when we think that you got this verse memorized this verse.

This will really cause them problems in its first Timothy 616. First Timothy 616 now read the context go back a few verses and read but when you talk about is God the father, who alone possesses immortality and dwells in unapproachable light to no man has seen or can see Joseph Smith, the founder Mormonism said he saw God the father with Paul the apostle said, you can't see him.

And when they go all the Old Testament. They saw God was a pre-incarnate Christ to the nursing because it wasn't God the father. They were sitting in Jesus Esso John 646 says no menacing got it a father at any time and so these are the things you witnessed. But first Timothy 616 when I see Mormons about shopping that I can recognize Mormons usually in the daily Mormon missionaries all have a minute, this verse of the start talking to the Mormons right yes you heard it first Timothy 616. Now what is it will first Timothy 616 is a very good verse to read because it really challenge you in your faith.

First Timothy 660. I keep saying the address over and over and over again and that it says that the telemarketers after I've set it 15 times that pulses the father in unapproachable light to no man has seen or can see. Therefore, ransom strategy dismiss that he saw the father.

If the Bible says he couldn't and that is striking at the very heart of Mormonism because it means that Joseph Smith did not tell the truth about the first vision and everything after that is his fault falls away. So that's the that's called the quick and slick methodology if you don't have time to get to okay okay thanks. Time is there anything I can pray for you for yes of the forms will get fixed that the new site would be billed Uighur SCO backup okay.

I'll certainly do the right.

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Thank you for your loyal, listening, that would make you so much for your prayers, your prayers are what fueled this ministry for to reach people with the truth of Jesus Christ you shall know the truth through shall set you free Matt slick to get away back right. Let's see this trip on the calls with the right and there is some announcement stuff later. All right there you go. Welcome you are on the air. I buy Ohio Justice I Boise how you doing I am doing well so question for your so I know that you believe in modern-day property. I believe that the charismatic gifts are still around for today. Not normative but got still doing okay well so when I prophesy living okay so would a prophet be today.

Your same thing. Rapid thing authority as the prophet Daniel no profits inspired by God and those prophecies were then in Scripture related and so when it talks enforcement is 14 about the issue prophecies is when it's prophecy, and to petition songs.

You could even say that your tongue was confident the Lord and interpretation of it comes from the Lord.

We can say with us inspired well. In a sense, yes, but not in the sense of being canonized on an equal level so we know that there were things that were said by Jesus is everything that Jesus said was inspired but not everything Jesus was so put down in Scripture so we could say that there are levels of prophecy level of inspiration that are intended to be in Scripture, rated, and some that are not in Christ is the perfect example enforcement teams 12 and Romans 12 and first is 14 we see on the manifestation of charismatic gifts which are motivated and worked out through the inspiration of the work I should say the Holy Spirit but not to be in Scripture rated are not equal to that the inspired level of Scripture that I know what possible hypothetical bay we found that document that had contain the word hypothetically they were there.

What do we have for found them we find out about my need for another one.

I got it. We found it tomorrow okay right right if it really was from God really came out of the mouth of krait that would be on the thing, authority and other level course.

Now, if there were, we won't tell you why we won't, but yet they know you would be in that situation was attended by one of the apostles and to and the like, you don't have an permit from your perspective, how you got any different from God through someone today is a somebody prophetic word. The Gospels were written by Matthew and John who were disciples of Jesus in Mark and Luke, who were disciples of the disciples in Luke was a story in Mark he traveled with Paul and so what we see is that they are the one supposed to other ones compiled information and the funny thing is that they were not just direct disciples as and of the 12, and yet what they wrote was inspired. One would say is that they compiled information under the watchful eye of the apostles was improved is recognized as being true. Now this is where the qualifications they disciple and conflict that have seen the risen Lord first design one and the issue of the four Gospels, which is always with me for four has a special meaning. Then we will not see that happen in the present and is similar to prophesy you my personal example, I was taking a girl home from a Bible study she wanted a book like to stop by my place and look for her. I submittal very clearly this happened before he married Mary 32 years and she said she's integral what makes you submit to Australia for mission and I decided I Lou I just knew it. I've never looking at are still number and I said you're not going to go you to be here to stay here unit connected to your mission in Australia and five months for you to meet a guy.

He's good to cover spiritual mentor 18 months. In the spirit spiritual bond you do mission work together and it was this clarity of knowledge and understanding. Two weeks later she got on the plane went to Australia okay was bent pizza late at night and then the next day I got a phone call from someone saying that she was back. She got off the plane in Australia and new she wasn't supposed to be there. She came back home. Five months later, she met a guy. He became her spiritual mentor, the got married in 18 months, he went to England in the mission together and before she left.

I was sitting and watching and where she was in the church taken the place I could take it you right now think is in California and she said everything I said came to pass. All right, so what you do with that. I know this is not hearsay. This is something I've done and had one other instance where some likenesses occurred while give them what is it worth living in Scripture to know the road.

Plenty of things that Peter said Paul said that were true, Scripture. Obviously your your man of integrity. I really respect her teaching what your church, but I have to make bent what you're saying theologically and thought about that when you're in the car with her. The words that came out of your mouth with your Seo crop were those very words of God where they Revelation divine revelation, you would have to say yes they were in was in the car was sitting in front of most of my bike without much say they were from God. Just as though enforcement is 14 for example, have fun speaking in tongues and yet interpretation of tongues and different ways of interpreting the hepatitis of Scriptures, but I'm I believe that they are's you can speak in a language you don't know and that some of us can interpret it with that's the case, then we can have instances of divine work and don't divine intervention, which is exemplified in first contains 14 and yet it was not considered to be in Scripture rated their words of knowledge.

Their words of wisdom and I think once I'd awarded knowledge on somebody and that I could tell that story to the thing is we do with these well I've had to wrestle with these over the years and nothing in the Scriptures violates that and that what happened doesn't violate the Scripture either because first and give 17 says that were not to lack any charisma while were waiting for the return of Christ. So would have to have any lack of the charismatic gifts. So then when we do well with your first 2013 starting in verse eight, when it talks about. There was really interesting perspective. 13. A lot of people I think met mess it up to get it right. Look at says of return was nine for we know and partly prophesy will actually go to verse eight love never fails.

Both are gifts of prophecy. They'll be done away if there tongues will cease. If there's knowledge of the Dunaway for we know and partly prophesy in part. But when the perfect comes, the partially Dunaway. Some people say the perfect is the Bible that technically set this not how it's used, particularly when it says once a child I spoke as a child, etc. then for now I see in a mirror dimly, but then face-to-face.

I didn't study on face-to-face and it means a personal encounter 11 personal encounter. That's what it means.

And so how do you have a face-to-face one-on-one encounter.

If this does is the Bible. It makes more sense to seek the return of Christ which is what Paul says earlier in the book enforcement is 17 and then against in verse 12 is the second part of it. He says I'll be known as an fully known and either study when it means to know God knows he only knows believers doesn't know unbelievers. That's a bit of a study will talk about here is his relationship and intimacy and so this is when these things the prophecy the Gifford and Assis, but I think it's with the return of Christ. And so if that's correct I which I believe it is enough, consisted of an analyst which I believe I am thin the covenant gifts of God to the church will not cease until the time of the covenant is fulfilled and that's at the revocation of the new heavens and new earth and under the age so I thought this stuff through and there's a reason I thought it because I was a senior pastor at a church plant and when they found out I held this view.

Let's just say it took weeks and weeks of cross-examination for the Presbytery and they basically said You pastoring more in their denomination and that's why the study this in depth. I read books and when study to the Greeks that everything in the even more convinced that the continuation gets repeated.

Let's all your questions a good one and I'm just tickled seriously that you say that your man of integrity etc. etc. but you need to examine at the Lodge with against the word of God. Just love to hear that you got other color you do what you call get back in alignment you get good conversation whether you get to go to coffee someplace okay. I thought about invite you may look not inviting you fit here when it open. Dr. Drake, Dr. great, but still it still it I get a guy with a camera leak guy get a microphone set up with two interviews on the I've been down there. I liked and what conversation people down or the really nice… I've been to BSU to and did some stuff and what happens is generally on the guy who will answer the difficult questions and gathers a crowd and then they get a little ugly so I've been in situations where a been a little nervousness to say without breach of the teaching. But that's okay let you join him rhyme affects not have less