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The following program is recorded content created by the Truth Network is a lot more why call, as usual, all you do is dial 877-207-2276 don't hear from you so will hope you had a good week and I like my weekends are always interested in utilizing different it's likely it's I don't do radio on costly debating teaching and things like that. I enjoyed enjoyed being able to serve God. That way, and the like a lot of fun. It's good stuff on but I'll tell you, just so it's a lot of work to do a lot of work links. It's all good. You know, I'm thankful for the Lord let me do this and I am certain that went okay for you for the logical argument. Call 877-207-2276 and the last four digits on the phone spell see our karma.org the Christian research Christian apologetics research ministry don't give a call and check out the site to it. Also, what were talking here I'm updating the link on the homepage look to go to the homepage and you go to the bottom right word, set apart at the bottom of the middle right where it says so what is look like you can do that is a big the link. It should be there like talk about now that's real.so there you go you for the Lodge. What you recall is Jill right on 8772072276A. Herb Herberger bearer from a North Carolina welcoming on the I appreciate your ministry are not enjoy listening to you mentioned some of the evidence church one day when I was in heavy traffic and time to whip out the phone and have a conversation. I don't know all one build up there but I was born in not born into the environment, not like a Catholic or Muslim but then become a Christian. So I was 23 now maybe nine while and I'm I'm curious to know your take on the Seventh-day Adventist church. I'm not going to argue with you I just one little information would appreciate that. Sure, I recommend people stay with this and that the evidence church. It's just it's average at worst, it's a non-Christian cult and so there are levels of fun of the Doxy within different STH subgroups that they have denominational differences but there's a wide variety of of of affirmations and denials within ST movement are those who affirm justification by faith alone to create Christ alone of the race alone and that you don't have to worship on Saturday in order to be saved. Then there are some who say yes you do have to worship on Saturday to be saved and those I would say are outside the Christ and those are preaching false gospel. So like I said there's an aberrant view in their video for the go. Furthermore, they do teach placing the affirm the doctrine of the Trinity. That's good and they affirm the dual nature of Christ divine and human.

They also affirm officially. Salvation is by grace, not by works, but not necessarily because energy investigative judgment that the elegy white, taught, and you must give judgment certainly seems to be the case will research I've done in reading her work is not your judge for salvation based on what you do and that makes it a non-Christian cult. If that's the case they teach baptism by immersion. That's okay Jesus will return literally and enter premillennial in the organist set up just because of the literal 1000 year reign. Now they deny the doctrine of predestination, which is to me.

Any group that denies the biblical group that denies destinations is foolish.

Bible teaches predestination that the like it, but my mother predestined and I do the verses and is what it says people just they don't like it, they deny the immortality of the soul.

So when someone dies, they don't exist anymore that are different views within STA. Some say don't exist anymore and in the re-created and that's a very serious problem. There's another view of what's called soul sleep and that's problematic as well. You don't have consciousness after death but consciousness deals with physical, not with spiritual things, something they mix they didn't or don't know.

Here's one of the doctors at the teach that is very seriously problematic, and that is ultimately our sin ours Oliver Sedley placed on Satan and that is flat out wrong. They take an Old Testament's typology of the scapegoat and they apply to Satan is here to the report on Satan but it's wrong. Jesus bore our sins in his body on the cross. First Peter 224 for the SDA church is just flat out without critically the wrong about this stupid doctrine of our sin to be placed on Satan you have to be worship on Saturday and they teach on October 22, 1844 Jesus entered the second phase and second last phase of his atoning work which is stupid just just to innovate that I would debate so I would debate them you don't.

In fact, their number one guy does. So I forgot his name but he does all these TB things and is bald in the 60s or early 70s I met him at a conference and I politely politely to sit look on the public debate with you on STA documents. I'm a Christian apologist look at the bank. He said no thanks and so you know that I told the Bible says your given answer to going to ask you. I'm asking you to do that and he said no.

I can do and I know why because he does not want to get shown up publicly to show that his documents been the doctors a teacher are not biblical.

So that's my opinion. Well, you want to hear about her on.

I'm going to Baptist Church and became a Christian it when I was 23 and I was glad not to go into the Adventist church. Although because of the familiar familial relationship. I got a high standing there because it makes a difference.

My grandfather was one of elegy whites five right-hand men in Australia really and now all in it and and he insisted that he be ordained in which he was later became a pastor of various churches around the country and the professor Hebrew and Greek and the little bit of Sanskrit thrown in their but anyway I find you very much Matt, I'm sure you got the call was coming and only relatively late and I don't like a really interesting conversation. Don't call that the say something like this. Okay folks, you can call now. Please call the nickel now so well thought out. You give me a lot to think about an arm. I have no no in and going back and the STA environment.

I'm very happy, but the Lord is good and on.

I'm figuring them. You are welcome. God bless Douglas lobby cupboard where you as well. Thank you all right folk you light up in lines 5 lines when you call 877-207-2276 now maybe some of you out there STA in your highly offended what I said okay. You have the right to be offended. You also have the right to believe something is false. You have the right to choose to follow a false prophetess who committed theft of writing and she wrote she took what other people wrote claimant as her own.

That's theft.

She did that, the idea of Jesus entered the second and last phase of his atoning work, and October 22, 1844 is just ridiculous. The reason they had that that came about was because of the false prophecies of the return of Christ so they do reinterpret. Thanks so that in the Millerite movement and things like this note they do teach also that Jesus is Michael the Archangel know you understand even though that is flat out wrong. Some think it makes my cult just from that but understand something there view of Michael the Archangel is not that he's a created Angel but that he's the pre-incarnate Christ. Another wrong in that. But that does not make him and that alone is neck and occultist mix really wrong and that could, with her doing is her saying that Jesus is the pre-incarnate second person of the Trinity is manifested as Michael the Archangel, so they mix that up.

They get that wrong but that alone does not make them occult because are not saying Michael the Archangel. In this context is actually a created being that he's the total pre-incarnate Christ at the center saying that other wrong on that in equating Jesus Michael the Archangel no one of things will do is get the true worship is on Saturday, the Sabbath, I had many discussions with STA. People on the site. In Romans 14 and Colossians 216 and the other verses fricatives 12 to 62 of the crisp and 61 or two, and so would it says in Hebrews, skinny, and Romans 14 is that were not to judge anyone on the debatable issues and it goes on and it says one man. Regards, everything alike that he spent be fully convinced in his own mind and so the STA when they start saying that you have to worship on Saturday to be a true Christian then there saying that under the legalistic mantra of the proper day of worship. That's how you are a true Christian. If you worship on that true day. They are not a true Christian. Some of them say that that is cult theology, non-Christian cult theology because we are doing is adding a requirement to salvation, and that is is very very bad. They should do that you fertilize what you may call eight 772-072-2760 because our identity from Virginia.

Welcome you on your I will calling today, but I really had open line is gonna bother you.

I called on Friday and I wanted to talk to you about the role of women in the church and not know I'm not a flattering letter for you and another guy called in and bother you at some conservative about. I'm not really fill as far as limiting the church you know I think there is not sold one way or the other doesn't bother me either one way or the other whether women are allowed to serve in leadership roles in the church doesn't listen about blasters, elders and deacons. The Bible says they're not allowed to okay yeah why wanted to seem to suggest that women can serve as a deacon because I will can I claim I may I present my argument. You can RSVP read Romans 16 why he give the name of the woman in faith that she is a deacon in the use of the term that is equivalent to the phrase deacon so I don't know if you come across that for how do you how do you square that with your assertion. They can't be deacon. Matthew is Jesus and the apostles Jesus cried. The apostle Paco is an apostle is I don't think that he properly seen as one of light like obviously not equivalent to a 12 apostle. He would like to ask you to ask you is Jesus on apostle you can apostle of God. Yet okay good because he was 31 says Jesus, the apostle and high priest of the word apostles is right. Hey folks, please state to form line to give you call 87776). Mass Y. Call 770776 is Matt's leg my welcome back everybody, let's get back online cavity.

Are you still there Anthony I'm here okay so we found a woman and 16 one. The servant of the church right in the word. There is documents the Aachen smoking was for the Lord is Ashley Dr. non-words in Greek decline like actor or actress actresses and actors.

That's all the same word just declines and so have the word is so jacking us okay. She's a servant right right so therefore deacons of the women well the word occurs 29 times in the New Testament documents and its cognates, its forms, Matthew 26 to 26 is not this way among you but whoever wishes to become great among you shall be your jock and us your servant Mark 935 if anyone wants to be first, you shall be the last of all and servant of all were deducting us again in Romans 13, three through four. But if you do it is in the context of the government, you know, if you do what is evil, be afraid, for does not bear the sword among you for is a minister of God, the Aachen us and I'll do one more segment 264, but in everything, committing yourselves as servants of God. The Aqaba yet understand that what people do and I don't mean to do this in error, but they will take the word. For example, she is the deacon taken this a servant in the church and I'll save that mean she has the office of deacon is not what it says in Romans 16. Because in second current and a Colossian estimate for Timothy three, Paul was actually describing what is necessary in the household of God, and he says that verse 15 uses I write to you so you'll know how one ought to conduct himself in the household of God, we doing is talking about the church of the living God, the pillars of support of truth is what he says there that same verse and in that same chapter he says that an overseer which in the Greek is Episcopal from the disk apostle is to be a husband of one wife under me is good on drop yes. Can I cuss a man of one woman, a husband of one wife, and he goes on to deacons in verse eight. Now all of a sudden were deacons.

Here is an interesting word and that what it is is that you see masculine in the Greek deacons must be men of dignity, not double minded over addicted much wine thought that's what setting or funds for the game but holding to the Mistry, the clear conscience. These men must first be tested. Let them serve as deacons thought process, so I probably pastors, elders or deacons of the church is accorded for script for now I three. I will, I think I actually agree with you. Your conclusion offer therapy could, although he is speaking of male deacon in that particular verse they anything about female deacon at this so there is no prohibition against email with inconclusive okay I guess women can be elders to then write could say women can't be elders right that yeah you have to use you that the modern I guess you would, and that means they can be elders another to be pastors because now you're saying is acidic, can't so therefore they can and is okay for them to be in there even though the requirements is to be on their mesclun. I cuss a man of one with a husband of one wife so masculine it will when it says about how they would talk the mask you are going on when it says an elder and a deacon is an elder and a bishop to be on your music and I cuss on drop yes when I cuss a man or husband of one wife.

Is it possible for woman to fit that role okay so then he's talking about this. You have to understand this he must be of good reputation with those outside the church deacons likewise must be men of of dignity okay and and the applicant that so to make not double tongued or addicted to much wonderful unsorted game, but holding the mystery of the faith is with a clear conscience for these in the word there in Greek is Altoid and it's in the masculine form these masculine ones was saying the Greek must be husband's and there is undress me us good night guys deacons must be husband's of one wife and a woman do that now, but it is an addict woman. You can woman be a deacon.

According to first Timothy 212 312 I believe so because okay I'm going to do something when you do something when you take your right hand put a pretty face vertically. Okay I'm right hand.

Look to your left are wasting time I got I went. I think witnessing is my shall not yours. Okay I want you to stop results. I'd had okay I don't know what I read you with the Scripture says you already agreed. A woman could not be a pastor and elder because it says a pattern elder must be husband of one wife the same thing applies to deacons must be a husband of one wife in the church context and then you disagree with it so that my interpretation, it's you who's violating the world. The problem, no I'm not, because yes, you can probably come from the fact that dad call you the exact same word in another context, referring to a woman do it really worth work can be the worker door, deacon. You mean so it can mean that the D. The government is a minister is a deacon of God. So I guess than what we can do is is we can take was called the semantic domain of word occurs in many places and use in different ways and let's commit was called to legitimate totality transfer. Now let's take the meaning of it over one place and transferred to somebody else, someplace else, but here in in first Timothy 312.

He specifically says deacons must be husband's one wife. No limit ask you, how does a deacon of fit that role for taken in the same mail did well at his is glad he said in a group well worded in the Greek are gendered so if you speaking of okay Anthony Anthony you're denying the word of God. I'm informing you you're denying out yes you are looking I'm looking exactly what I'm thinking about the possibility of the what it could potentially mean nothing that rolled out there's nothing that clearly prohibits women from becoming deacon deacon it a listen intently because I look and listen as deacons must be husband's of only one wife, assuming that that one.

Can you please tell me that again. Again, the word call you that you've already explained it physically, occurring only for male deacon P doesn't say anything about female deacon at that. But in romance he clearly establishes a female as a deacon. The word elders also used ascendant's emails as well so you can tell me now what has the elder woman of the second John that there would is talking about. Now she can think that women elders you already agreed. A woman cannot be a pastor and cannot be an elder because it says there to be the husband of one wife, and then you inconsistently statement but I did because it's different over the place.

It means that they can be, but is not over the place a photographic of his messages will put him to bed on that one.

After the break. The right that mass like why call 77077. The guy was 20 people and are just inconsistently don't want to see because they will position you submit with regard to their opinion on this good to Craig from Ohio.

Craig welcoming on your call, but had a discussion this morning with my sister around what happens to a person's soul when they pass away.

Do they go directly to heaven. If there holding place for work or how with that.

How does that work.

I was interested in getting your thoughts on that the Lord simple second Corinthians 58.

We are of good courage. I say prefer rather to be absent from the body to be home with the Lord delivered were with Jesus where he is simply no holding place and if he's in heaven and that's where we are simple some printings that's right quick and slick. Well that's a lot that I thought that was because you believe the word of God like some people argue that the totality I really enjoyed listening to you less because you're really intelligent and really nice that's what I don't know about all that like nears like a pretty well schooled in the word and I appreciate that is a better job myself. It's a good school that's richer into wealth.

Thank you Laura Gray goblins okay alright let's go in the footholds with Terry from Utah Cherry welcome dear are you today okay with it with obstreperous people believe God's word. So we got that we moved here left here in Salt Lake. And if it printed a feedback for part of the other bad community here in Lehigh you talk hotel Internet okay.

Yet the anyway… I've been with and travel home the acting ability or seven. I love you and it ended when I did it… Go that appreciate your ministry on the radio that they think you me I love that.

The thing that that that my quite in order, with related to the LDS how how would it be best to penetrate again were new year on the to learn and and lovely people at what point did we interject that three month perspective so far as been up let me get to know you know some people and know the people before I start the dead.

There are terms that they use are completely different things like that are probably fellow at the dark, correct, and then you not been reluctant that the monolith a reluctant that event, it I've got no one got pretty well, but most the time they set you off pretty quick that I think that the did the talking about spiritual things that the once they realize your have a different three then they'll die pretty much the edict of Mexico and affecting the park yet that's the case, is to understand about Mormonism does not teach truth teaches right feelings teaches testimony and feelings of mutual uplifting and they finished. You should ask the guy to go to Sunday service with them and expect us to be there from 1 to 3 hours because there's different things that they do need to see this link to experience what they go through and when they have a church service. As I've been through many of them you'll notice that Jesus just isn't there. What is there is the testimony of the truth of Mormonism, the testimony, the church of the true church of testimony of Joseph Smith and they bear testimony in the name of Jesus and its ritual and it is indoctrination and its participation and it is union in a group and Jesus is there to facilitate their union with other in the true church you got ago that had people go we done field trips rug – I don't go starting trouble go there and we listen and come back and hat and most of it the same thing. The Holy Spirit is not just a feel right at the question of anger report on every corner right. How do I did walk up 1/3 urban farming got up. I think maybe you go it and you actually benefit on that when the service, in the know I got it in the not mean you know that there are nice people there just to see or are currently not it's right now I have been asked to leave an elitist board before use rightward award because of the California had a meeting and when I didn't start any trouble.

He just knew me excitedly as believe you got I got I got stuck for the most part, the really nice people and and they'll bend over backwards to help you, but they just believe in. So is a do is go there and and and learn. You will learn things about how they think what they feel it will affect how you present information to them is if you challenge their feelings and reject you because their feelings were truth is truth to them is not in fax actuality the Scriptures and the word of God and the truth of the resurrection of Christ it's in with the rope. The Mormon church says is true and the testimony that they get Holy Spirit that was about. So when you I doing very much.

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Thank you. Alright, alright, let's get to know well from Virginia we lost the will hit the drop on that we have three open lines. If you want to give me a call 877-207-2276 gets run from Utah around looking on their little you felt when I will not thank you for all me back on. I we talked on Friday. I remember not to flatter you will.

I wanted to address issue we we had left off on about the four corners. Yet the question about McCarthy or yeah so first of all I with the issue you have the same problem on the on the ball the globe hurt one of the four corners lots as I talk to people who hold positions like what you do, you don't actually answer the question you attack with another question that I will have to but I so I will hold on so do you believe I asked you before, do you believe the earth is round disk yet. It's flat, then I ask you what you do with the Bible saying that the earth is four corners. That's my question. Okay, so I will answer it, but I must first say you have the same problem. Okay, okay, I hung up. The reason I hung up on him is because he wouldn't answer the question as I get very tired of people who don't answer the question and then the date try misdirected.

I don't put up with that he wants to call back and actually answer the question, then we could talk about elves don't have patient direct hold onto the call lines 87720776 McCall Van Slyke why call 77077 charismatic slave Bible doesn't commissions okay to come in question people ask is okay to be cremated, yet it's okay to be cremated. God is not restricted or disabled from being able to reconstitute your actuality of your physical form.

It is a gotcha cremated and logical this thing about people been lost at sea in the ocean and have been consumed by the elements in the fish.

I guess information means you can't be reconstituted. I guess that means it can't be requested to because you get all the molecules out of fish it so we go on with the ridiculous kind of thing the problem turned out that my friend was sent okay and you can do if you want to go bless this get to Jennifer from North Carolina, Jennifer, welcome you probably think I can see how about the 27 I learned that it is lucky there.

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It will affect about the war but not by a gotcha making the Malad offered at 2009. He nothing in the lab the magic out Israel, only a little less question why I guess I question that I want is referring to the doctrine built model Solomon like my is Lexi what is it is Welsh raters houses in the case. I don't or angels in okay without knowing the specific of verse in that context, I really can't top my head just tell you so you know specific about a specific verse with a specific thing. The more specific it is that I can look all that verse there's thing I can take a look at it but in a prick of the fruit. Roughly 12 verses. It's hard to know exactly the question is referring to inexplicably mark that's okay no problem, you tell him to keep studying the keep asking and is good. I hope there's a bunch of guys there and and there were listening and hope you're learning, and when challenged something with this guy's list listening okay there in there for a reason. Alright, when they get out they need to be Christian men and they need to study who Jesus is. These emulator Jesus is as recorded in the Gospels and he had great authority and great power, and what he did was he used his authority.

Even his masculinity and his strength to serve to teach to help to minister to people to forgive.

That's what he did with it. And so we are to do the same thing, especially his men so that our women around us need to trust our strength because we are stronger than now, and not only physically also mentally sometimes and emotionally sometimes combine that strength and we need to be very careful when you do make it so there women around us feel safe with us emotionally as well as physically and for failing to do that were failing as men.

And so we need to be studying Jesus and emulate him. And don't worry guys you mess up. Welcome to the club because when we start using Jesus as a standard and we live according to his will and his word will get messed up but that's okay because when you are at the foot of the cross, you look left or right you see me there with you and were all the same, with only the blood of Christ will need to live for Jesus with her in there or out once you get out your obligated to live for him even if it costs you and even if it hurts you stand on the strength of the Lord Jesus Christ strength that's what's important. We need to be that's meant from our ladies okay recognize the super small sermon that for that to happen until you tell your story.

When I was in to have to be prison and I was preaching and there's a lot of people were Mexican whites. The relations there's Blacks as all of this mixture in the chapel, maybe 30 guys and either one of these guys any of them could beat me to a pulp and .28 seconds in there and chapel, I'm preaching I have what's called the button to my left shirt pocket is a button that they would give me that if I was in the preaching of any problems. I hit that button the guards running in but they which chapel you know and we going there to preach and teach and in every school and and I'm trying to relate to the guys in preaching and ideally I'd lost my son just a couple of months earlier to a few months earlier was trying to connect with skies not it and making it up in a real way which I could do to some degree what it means to suffer loss.

I said you guys have lost so much around here, so if you lost a family, relationships, members, marriages and or nodding is urine here.

That's it. I'm not to say is what you deserve, or not we deserve whatever this is just a reality where we are because it can happen in here or I understand I start talking about what it means to sacrifice what it means to face ourselves and face the problems of our life and how we faced appetite to these guys got up and these guys were tattooed and they look like you belong to some Mexican gang the sidewalk in the center aisle where I was up on the stage about 2 feet elevated full stage left. I thought these guys could just jump me bad fast. I kept preaching and I some of these guys walking up and watch. Finally, walking the middle of my sermon they walked up to the Pope pulpit was lifted from the edge which was the things to 3 feet elevated stage and they moved to my right there left and then went over to that just a few feet away. They got on her knees and prayed. They prayed for the rest of the sermon I found out later that they prayed that the word of truth would minister those men were listening and I was you don't ashamed and one point but I was so privileged to be in their presence that such men would risk humiliation in front of these guys in prison and get on her knees on the hard tile and pray for others to perceive truth of the gospel message that to me was a good example. Never forgot that I have never forgotten and I never will. Those guys ministered to me in their humility interaction so guys in prison can be very strong in their witness they can accomplish great things for the Lord and they can also do it even more so when they get out understand whether in or out.

They need to submit to the will of God in the ministry that God has called them to do to serve where they are and be witnesses for the gospel of Jesus Christ.

And because God will change that season and they will minister in there, or out of there, in season and out of season, rich or poor. Carburetors are not present or not. All was and is Christ. So there you go. Okay Jennifer is for those guys in their error. Thank you, thank you God bless.

Okay okay Jennifer all right are the start one more time with Ron from Utah you can answer the question I asked you yes sir I look at Isaiah 11 chapter 11 verse 12 in Revelation chapter 7 verse one.

Both use the phrase of the four corners of the art in the context of both passages. He is talking about the four cardinal went to a compass nor Southeast okay so how do you know then that the circle the earth is literal. If the four corners is not because of the context really so the curse is just circle okay yet so it also says in first Chronicles 1630, that the earth is immovable.

Does it move around the sun know it does not and I talked about that last week we talked about the heliocentric model in Genesis the creation so your flat Arthur and so the sun moves around the earth right well that the Scriptures that all nine verse one through you believe good music metaphor, you could take thing to determine literal is not met for that to get that it's a mistake to the street when nobody here with letters or state so your teaching.

Then at the sun moves around the earth know the Bible that your teaching it so I got I decided to deny them the Bible to heart that couldn't hold on sonar is like is the earth is the sun and the moon. There up above the earth okay in a dome is embedded in the dome or underneath the dome. Well it in the firmament of heaven is embedded in this from the dome or that underneath it.

Well, there are some questions.

I'm not sure about I don't know exactly, but I know that we are not spinning around why is it that the sun can't be seen at night if it's in the dome above us in the dome discussion revolves because of its proximity to the earth, and I think question Matt so bear with me. The proximity of the earth the thoughts of the earth.and you can do this on a table with yourself, you can turn out the lights and put the cell phone above the table and will not and where you leave there is darkness. As you go around in a circle on your kitchen table and I you I you spent a great luck with the new epiphany sense is dishonesty or not a spear.

Well, it circular from our perspective yet is it a sphere not a sphere. That's the question I don't know okay is the moon inside it are not a smarter is the moon. This is our is these is not on Mars ascending and is Mars a sphere, not a spear into a light in the heaven. Okay, so you don't know what it is so dark.

Okay, I have an experiment now that Anafranil, so here's a thing so you're saying you don't even know without her planets are. You don't know you miss interpret Scripture to take things literally when it should be literal and then you say that the sun revolves around the earth okay and so you know why the sun is not our at night when it's still visible from all points simultaneously on this flat circular disk all the earth and yet so you can see that night, but you can also see this the moon in the day on the night proximity listen to him easily exited the pot. If the product the fun and the finely sir is what that the moons with the sun in their jazz and we got a go all God's grace comes rolling another program powered by the Truth Network