Billy Graham’s Warning to the Religious Right

The following program is recorded content created by the Truth Network. We are back live and I will share with you today. A fascinating warning from Rev. Billy Graham about the religious right and politics for the light a fire hose scholar and cultural commentator Dr. Michael Brown your voice for more savvy and spiritual clarity. Call 866-34-TRUTH to get on the line of fire and now there's your host Dr. Michael Brown Michael Brown delighted to be live with you okay out. I gotta get a few things out right from the start. We are audio only, and with the phone connection as opposed to our normal high-quality studio connection. The reason being that II got cold it again really minor. I just thought it was that it was a cold, actually a pretty mild cold. We decided to grab a family Gathering to take a test to test actually came up positive. So I thought the quarantine for a little while for several more days. So that's why I'm broadcast from home rather than from the studio and even though we have our remote equipment with us. We had a glitch setting it up so my apologies that you can see the smiling face, but know that I'm smiling full of life. I didn't posted it; because it is the super minor by God's grace. No issues that the only fever I had was very minor. Billy over hundred and haven't had that for several days so in any case. In any case, thank God for health, strength, grace, quick recovery, but we are not at our normal super high quality. My apologies for that, but we live full minds are open. You never really interesting broadcast today that here's number to call 866-34-TRUTH 866-34-TRUTH 87884 I first want to ask you a question.

All right, I did a Twitter poll on this. The poll is still going. It's got three hours left got over thousand responses thus far, but here's my question for you. All right. Are you ready do you believe that God has a special covenant with America because of our founding, but as you look at our country like every other nation or somewhere in between these two options. I slept my question limit limit give it to you again. Here is the recall with your opinion, 866-34-TRUTH.

Do you believe that God has a special covenant with America because of our founding that the Mayflower compact, various things from the pilgrims in some of our key founding fathers believe that God is a special covenant with America before because right, founding or look at our country like every other country were just part of the world due to the speculative China like you would to Mexico like we could rush maybe… Israel differently. You could say okay there is history covenant there in greater responsibility with but that aside, discovered because like all the other nations, like empires before Rome, Greece our superpower or with her special covenant made with assorted somewhere in between. Though America doesn't have a covenant with God like Israel have a covenant with God.

However, because there's so much Christian thinking in our founding influence.

Quoting from the Bible in our founding there that we have a greater responsibility or greater blessing what your take a 663487884 no later in the broadcast. If you have just a general question you want to ask me, Bible, theology, culture, everything you wanted to ask you can call in Friday give us a call.

Try to take some random calls later in the show 866-34-TRUTH okay my new book the political seduction of the church is about, it is barely a month away from being published the political seduction of the church. How millions of Americans have confused politics with the gospel. We announce the book via email yesterday for preorder.

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Either way I believe it's important book. I didn't write it to gain popularity. I didn't write it so that people would come praising me and following me. Quite the contrary. I know that some people will be upset with me for it. But I had to speak the truth in love. Let me go through the contents of the book with you if you can know I'm going with this.

All right, so we just pull up here to the contents of the book analytically within the chapters. It starts off chapter 1 when evangelical Christians were blamed for the storing of the Chapter 2 the church of Jesus is transcendent I felt was important right at the beginning of the book to give a patient of what the church is called to be who we are in the Lord of how we transcend the things of this will work in this world, but in Jesus we are so transcendent to worldly methods, then chapter 3 God guns in our great white country but a fast I deal with some of the caricatures. Some of the stereotypes so the false narrative that is being put out the chapter 4 the subtlety of seduction. I once heard Derek Prince say the problem with deception is that it's so deceiving and I don't think that quote was original to him. I think many others have said it is well will the problem of seduction is that it's so seducing if it was obvious. People wouldn't get destroyed the same with if it was so obvious people and get pulled in so easily.

Then chapter 5 how Donald Trump one from Pres. to superhero to political savior.

Chapter 6 when even prayer became partisan. Chapter 7 when the prophets prophesied falsely yes we talk about it. We lay it out. We name name.

Chapter 8 the Genesis of false prophecy. How is it that so many people got off among them some fine Christian leaders. Chapter 9 entered Q1 on how this only added fuel to the fire and added to the confusion, then chapter 10 the fatal error of wrapping the gospel in the American flag will really be talking about this a lot in the days to come.

With the 2022 elections near then chapter 11 why politics and religion make for a toxic mix of sure some of the chapter with you today.

Chapter 12 is the church called to take over society. Chapter 13 Christian nationalism becoming Civil War. The call to take up arms. Chapter 14 how we failed the test. Retracing our steps in learning the big lessons. Let me share with you a quote from Billy Graham that I think you'll find it really, really interesting. I Billy Graham said this February 1981. He is being interviewed for Parade magazine and is being asked about Rev. Jerry Falwell, the leader of the moral majority all right undertake your calls shortly so you can you can get on the line and get on hold and will get your calls, your comments, I really want to hear from as many of you as I can.

Does God have a special covenant with America to see us like every other nation point. This is Rev. Billy Graham. This is 1981 secular magazine. We pray the second magazine is asked about Rev. Jerry Falwell, leader of the Moral Majority. Dr. Graham said are you ready. I told him to preach the gospel. That's our calling.

I want to preserve the purity of the gospel and the freedom of religion in America. I don't want to see religious bigotry in any form.

Liberals organized in the 60s and conservative certainly have a right to organize in the 80s but it would disturb the if there was a wedding between the religious fundamentalists and the political right, the hard right has no interest in religion except to manipulate so that was Dr. Graham's concern that there would be quote a wedding between religious fundamentalists and the political right so do we get involved in politics.

Yes. Should we be married to politics. No, that's where the problem arises, and with all the good that the Moral Majority did. You could say that there was another side to it that produced a negative fallout for the gospel and the unhealthy union of Christian religious leaders with the political right now on the left that you already been there. All right, but let's be candid liberal Christians. The religious left there in bed with the Democrats for years.

In fact it was no big deal didn't really hear anything about it. When a Democrat politician would speak at at a little church. No big deal, but if a conservative politician spoke at every creek ever. The conservative church. All of them is separation of church and state what you doing here is is a perfect illustration. Are you ready to get this when Pat Robertson and Jesse Jackson both ran for president. Same here. If you remember those of your old enough to remember Pat Robertson officially was on ordained he dropped his ordination so it would not get in the way of his political one or he would not be known as Rev. Pat Robertson running for office to be no accusation.

Separation of church and state. Whatever his motivations were. He dropped his ordination so he was simply Pat Robertson. Of course he was running as a conservative Republican. On the other side.

Jesse Jackson was running as a liberal Democrat and how do we know him. The Rev. Jesse Jackson is a fascinating all right so the union between the religious left of the Democratic Party that was deep that was already there. What Rev. Graham saw the potential of the religious right, joining with the political right in an unhealthy way a ladies this is a lot more to say about this president is your call is decidedly physical line of fire with your host Dr. Michael Brown on the line of fire; 866-34-TRUTH very good is Dr. Michael Brown back for a couple of days but feeling great. Just need to be broadcasting remotely until I get a little quarantine you got it with cold again. Thankfully super minor and we would even know I had it with the really thought I had it. If not for the fact that I normally don't get calls at all. If I get on the normally be gone within two or three days I was the fourth is a little funny here, but for those who are really struggling with covert or other sickness, grace and healing to you. Okay, here's article 866-34-TRUTH I'm going to the falls momentarily with the question of a very simple question. How does God look at America as you look at us like every other country in the world.

Just another country in the world you have believers the church within America. But then you just got the nation as a whole is like every other nation needs to be saved or does God have a special covenant with America that unique looks at us as a Christian nation, 866-34-TRUTH Martin Luther King said this was a time when the church was very powerful, powerful time in the early Christians rejoiced being the worthy to suffer for what they believe in those days the church was not really a thermometer.

The record of the ideas and principles of popular opinion was a thermostat that transform the Moors side also said this one my favorite "the church must be reminded that it is not the master or the servant of the state but rather the conscience of the state must be the guide and the critic of the state and never its tool. If the church does not recapture his prophetic seal will become a relevant social club without moral or spiritual authority course I have those quotes in my new book the political seduction of the church. You can preorder your Thunderbird copy at our website. Ask Dr. Brown.org okay, let's take some calls and see what you're thinking about this. We start with Nancy in Virginia. Welcome to the line of fire. Thanks so much for calling. Are you there hello yeah hey Nancy, welcome to the line of fire. Thank you very much listening to you today hope you feel better soon. Yes, thanks.

I called Dan I called Dan because of your question does America have a special covenant with the Lord and personally I think the word count the that Israel is country that God made a covenant with and inspires America. God blessed to blast Israel all that God put in place a king in the regular and I do believe that the precedents that are in place are pointed I God.

I do believe, according to our that nothing will change profit date.

God does not change his mind about the word and the prophets there that he has given us doubt, but out of president we have is appointed by God to prick are long gone.

I saw her into her he raised up Kingston brought on kings of the past three with presence in the weep and let it.

God is sovereign and the one nation. It matters little that with which Israel all clear. Hey, thank you, Manuela, Nancy, I appreciate that. Thank you. I let's go over to Winston Winston-Salem North Carolina tomorrow will welcome you online. Always most gone. Instead, let's go over to Iowa again, welcome to the line of fire.

All right, are you there sir, and are you there yes or no head please yeah on the earlier comment in early mobility was talking about previously as well work like you don't like your we see in Israel will not special covenant.

I do think we can all argue for the got, you know, maybe specially purposed America to bring about his purposes and scores of freedom and those ideas and always got is also providentially orchestrated the founding and everything else in some ways I think there's a book that actually brother aptly argues that by Michael Medved called American miracle and sociologist to me. I, most of the more the middle would like you can see evidence of God special and on America, but I don't think you special covenant in that regard out to me that before God.

All right, so, so the middleground would say that God does have a purpose for America Michael Medved in his book goes argue that if you look at the exceptionalism of America with all of our flaws and faults the world impacted America had dinner in a relatively short period of time and the influence. America continues to have, and how America was used in the.

The spreading of the gospel as well appointed others would make a nuclear founding God has a purpose and America preps different than Mexico or Canada or Russia or China. However, it is not that he chose us out as a covenant nation but you chose not Israel, and by the way if if I have a lien is one way in answering the poll I would I would answer in that middleground way as well for sure we are just like any other nation for as being people of the world need saving for sure we are not a covenant nation like Israel, but there does seem to be something in our history and founding were God's purposes for us have been distinct for better or worse, so how does how does God look at us that in other words when he looks at America as a holy and all we all accountable to God because of the way. The founders found things or that since we just nation blogs.

I would say they were more like a revelation in his ways, including his very scripturally that it was in of the nation as a whole but is also the individual and the nation as a whole that were responsible God you is you know is purposes for the individuals but also the nation as a micro stenosis that is different argue will US and work in a particular way not only in on the country as a whole responds with purpose, but also individuals and we individual line with them and doing his purposes for new publishers for the next that's all we can deal with. Ultimately, the individual response to God and no matter where we sit on this issue. The fact is, to whom much is given much is required so the Americans have somewhat given to it that much is required of America, even without us being a special covenant nation a.m.

Thank you for weighing in. I appreciate it over to grab another call and I want to unpack some of what Rev. Graham was concerned about and some of the reason that I wrote the political seduction of the church and I will be actually candid with you friends a lot about my life journey as well. So that's where one more call. Now let's go to Yukon, Oklahoma.

Ryan talking to a lot of fire.

Thanks for joining us today hi Dr. Brown I wanted to answer the question. I believe some of the other colors that got I would say yes he does Cabinet obviously different than Israel. Israel covenant with included Scripture as a record, I would stay that typically the covenant for the work that God started with America doesn't start in 1776. Although that part of it, but rather back to the first battler Christian settlers.

For example, Massachusetts spoke that were wanting and a missionary spent to have a land where they could worship God according to the Bible without restriction from the government, and I believe that God honored that and I don't believe there's any accident that we have become the greatest nation on the face of the earth because of that, though. But I also want to say one other thing I want to get your thoughts. And it has to do with that.

You had mentioned the phenomenon called the liberal Christian that aligns itself with the Democratic Party. I would and now I say this in a with a pure heart. I do not believe that there is a whole spell group of people that are liberal Christian, I would say that if you are governed by the word of God that you are if you are speaking God, but they think their heart, no matter how imperfect or flawed, we are that we would draw near to God through Jesus Christ through his word and we would end up not being liberal for example, we would end up not supporting the Democratic Party we would end up not supporting gay-rights abortion and all the rest of it, though, if there is a movement called a liberal progressive Christianity. I believe it is a counterfeit. Although their feet could be people in it.

Better stay but have not yet become thank defined as the work and and draw near to Christ literally just yielding to respond to slowly have time so overall it in terms of what you're saying.

Yet when I speak of liberal Christians, many of them deny the authority of Scripture. Many of them deny the resurrection of Jesus. Many of them are pluralistic that there are many different ways to salvation outside of Jesus.

So in many ways, they would be completely disqualified as being Christians, no argument about that and for sure there are others who would be compromised and their ethics and values and you need to draw closer to the Lord in sanctification.

The problem would be if we don't see blind spots in conservative Christianity that may be more orthodox doctrine but may deemphasize all rights that is the line of fire with your host Dr. Michael Brown on the line of fire by golly 866-34-TRUTH. Very good is Dr. Michael Brown back to live with you and of thrilled to be well back in the studio but it was COBIT again very minor case, a dyspeptic quarantine a few more days, so will be broadcasting from our home studio 86634.

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If your radio all right. I'm just going be as honest and transparent as a CAD as we talk about the new book the political seduction of the church friends. It is so urgent that we see what happened that we learn from our mistakes. Those of you did make stakes in your say hey, let's all get it right here. Those who made the mistake, let's learn and do that, especially ministers, pastors, leaders with the influence that we have promised to share my heart with you. I am going to be totally open honest with you, so I started preaching at the address of of 18 in 1973 I did not go alive talk radio until 2008 either limited radio for local broadcast with prerecorded teaching and things like that for a period of time. Of course been a guest on many many shows but did not have my old life talk radio show until 2008, even though I have journal entries going back all the way to two of all the way back to 1993 rifle God was speaking to me about being a national radio, but was until 2008 that I went on was quite providential in the way it happened with me with be going on talk radio and then I have a navigation how much my going talk about politics because I didn't preach about politics. I didn't mention political leaders hardly at all. It was is not a topic upon yes I was concerned about the direction of the culture as a started preaching decades ago, but I was not known as a cultural commentator.

I remember navigating that praying all right how much a regular address these things, but I knew now on talk radio. These were subjects that would come up. It was not until 2010 that I wrote my first national op-ed piece I'd written some local editorials before for four different newspapers, but it wasn't until 2010 that I start writing national op-ed pieces and I've written probably over 2500. Since then, so I did not have.

I had never endorsed a candidate. The thought is never dawned on me to do so now. Fast forward to the 2016 elections and I'm I'm asked to go to the meeting were Rafael Cruz is going to be an Rafael Cruz to cruise his father is meeting with some friends of mine who are really good solid belief men of God Rafael Cruz asked me if I would consider endorsing his son Ted for president?

Here's my thing. Anyone alive endorsed has to be absolutely strongly pro-life. Absolutely strongly profamily, which means opposing LGBT Q activism and strongly pro-Israel. They also cannot be a Washington insider. That's indebted to all the different groups that have to be somebody who's willing to to to go their own way. Because if you're just an insider that displays by the Washington rules. You know your drawing go so far because you can't rock the boat that looked so he assured the that his son Ted was that in every way. He assured me that that even getting elected.

It was impossible for him to win be did come in the way he did it. It was just God's grace is a divine purpose on this and I should listen. I am committed to a gospel based moral and cultural revolution.

II that's my heartbeat and if if I could work if take Chris to be president, and I could work with other leaders to help good input of moral cultural issues from a gospel perspective for the good of the nation that I would really consider endorsing this on and he assured me. Yes, I could absolutely be possible. So based on that.

I endorsed a cruise right and I explained why and first time ever did okay. I don't intend to ever endorse another candidate. Again, no, never say never in certain ways, but I don't intend to do it.

I don't believe that I will why was it because I was disappointed in Ted Cruz back that no that wasn't it was because he didn't win no that wasn't it at all. It was at the moment I endorsed a cruise.

Not this different essay usually voted for the moment I endorsed him as a leader anything I ever said about any other candidate became filtered through that anything I now set about any other issue became filtered through that if I raised an issue with this candidate or that I can do this, party level, you're just you're just a cruise got and and I realistically that that was something I was not supposed to sacrifice because above all I'm called to be a voice your voice more sanity and spiritual card.

Some would even argue is the reason we say who you vote for to the death of politics. Fair enough, fair enough, but the team is very different than endorsed. Right now I want to go further. Want to make a confession. I was asked to speak at a few Ted Cruz events to I was asked to speak at what I was asked to pray in North Carolina and of the one right prayed publicly like a kind of set a little and then prayed publicly. The prayer was very radical declaration of prayer over Ted Cruz. I read it probably was that what is expected. We prayed with them behind the scenes before the event to my colleague spoken I got up and prayed like I should let my prayer was anything but a partisan port you would say amen to that prayer, but the first event I spoke at my goal was to get up in front of these hundreds are a few thousand people in preach Jesus and in preach core values of repentance and gospel based moral and cultural reformation.

That's what I did but I also took some shots at Donald Trump. The guy from New York that we can trust what is measured by name and I did it with a smile and people were laughing but I did it.

Some months later I was away for prayer retreat actually is. A few years later and I happened to come upon that video of me doing that is online and I literally wept, forgot, I could not believe that that II mix those. I was shocked that I had done that just was not like me to do so. It's one thing we do figures right before the candidate. Even the what I said in the way I did. That wasn't the issue is I use that platform I was just there to breach gospel based moral cultural revolution. Why we need it. Why we have to have it, which is what I did. The next time after that left of the other stuff and then why believe the take Cruz to be right person to work with right now. I like to do that again. By God's grace, to the best of my knowledge I'm not going to do that again either but I I got seduced Lucas that his fault not anybody's will. He was upright in his dealings with with me and I was it was. Not anybody's fault but my fault I was just speaking at the church and talking to one of the leaders and you story about a sister church where Pres. Trump had known leaders had visited church. One of the leaders had prophesied publicly that he would be reelected and beautiful more years in all of this and since then, the church is gone through real sifting membership drop dramatically pastor since resigned. A couple is divorced is a very sad situation. May God's grace and mercy and help be there for these precious brothers and sisters.

Having said that III said to a friend upon. If I have been the pastor of the church.

Donald Trump had befriended me to the point of me having access to him in the White House if he actually visited our church and we got to pray over him, you better believe I would've made the same mistakes that they make you.

I really believe that if I had gotten that close. The things I would have made the same mistakes. What's my point that when we conservative evangelicals finally had someone fighting for us. Finally had someone pushing back finally had someone say I don't care how much power you have on Vaquero much influence you have. I'm saying no to you. Finally, some of the upper religious rights. Finally, someone appointing justices that we could get behind across the country. Finally someone standing up to tyrannical China calling out radical Islamic terrorism for what it is standing with Israel doing everything that he did. We finally have someone doing that we married the party of the person, especially the person even more than the party we entered into that unhealthy union that Dr. Graham warned about those.

I know some men who were part of the Pres.'s advisory Council. II know some of them very well and in others a little and I know for a fact confirmed by witnesses that some of these men were anything but yes-men to the present village.

They were not swayed by the influence they had date they were not intoxicated by it. Some of them abet with other presidents before this was nothing new for the sum of been in the White House multiple times.

This was nothing new for the they were not seduced by even though the general public with the betterment. How can you do more here. Here they were behind the scenes speaking, they were not joining the public chorus attacking Trump when you do something wrong. It would speak to him privately and it was the right way for them to handle. But I'm saying evangelicals largely conservative evangelicals, but we had would seem to be our man in the White House even prophesied even miraculously, Donald Trump president are you kidding me when it happened.

This may move the embassy to Jerusalem. This is his father is a man because his friends playing him. I'm just think hand is give you 40 or so cell is telling right is a line of fire with your host Dr. Michael Brown on the line of fire by: 866-34-TRUTH very good is Dr. Michael Brown shortly. But before I do a couple more things. I believe the church should be involved politically if we abandon politics entirely. We cease to be a moral witness we cease to speak truth to power.

We cease to plead for justice for the oppressed and downtrodden received standing as governmental tyranny. We cease to hold our leaders accountable.

We cease to have a key for freedom of religion, speech and conscience will we cease to stand up for the rights of the leased of these I so in in in a Democratic Republic like United States. If we give up our right to vote them in the nation over to those who disagree with, is not dispositive values and we forfeit the right to preach the gospel to buy biblical values. Even our own homes and schools interrogations so that the freedom of religion at the Billy Graham speaking about will be lost recorded from earlier in the show but friends there's a major a massive difference between having a healthy God honoring uncompromising involvement in politics with Christians also running for office serving as judges were his lobbyist having an unhealthy union between politics and religion. You cannot bring the gospel down the gospel is the glorious message of salvation through Jesus.

It is pure is perfect is holy.

It is not to be confused with anything in this world politics is of this world and and when we marry them together. We are in trouble. The matter what side of the aisle, we find ourselves left, right, or in the middle. Fred so get your copy of the political seduction of the church more than our website.

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Check out the article as well after to Brown.org okay let us go over to hang on. All right, let's go to Tampa Bay Florida Kenneth you are on the line of fire. Thanks so much for joining us, Kenneth, are you there I'm right here I go forth or well you mentioned the Billy Graham wound that I I so all whole interviewer documentary or whatever on his relationship with Nixon and he was really burned by what Nixon done the same related app that illegally he never does Billy Graham never endorsed a candidate identified with a political party, but he did give counsel to I think five different presidents, but Nixon had made comments are anti-Semitic comments to Rev. Graham and Graham did reply the right way that the tapes came out have apologized for that. But in any case, yes I did make a cultural collapse or the whole point here is under Nixon is the years of my brother was living in the gallery doing irrigation work over and the 1973, then we have the Yom Kippur war. It was Nixon goes a bond that was the vascular that the convince you not going to Eva right even convince Nixon to support the war and bring no weapons in their end. At first they decided they would paint over the American flag and all the data entered to designate the airplanes are coming in so they would know was from America and the decided not to.

You know what the payback from the Saudis was after that as we ended up with an oil embargo never ever met along the lines I did know the details of it at all.

I just remember the long lines waiting to get caught reported Israel at all think supporting Israel and oil is been tied together. That's why I'm an ardent supporter of going solar know you look at my Facebook page of fear. Next account Thursday of the sun lighting up clear light bulb go the work of years I have been helping people do DIY sort of point but anyway guys are going to Glendive vital in helping you better so you know that's important to you, but everything else you wanted to say in terms of the current cement. The main pioneers began to pull away from the because I'm Jewish Jewish background, but eyes I did know of any messianic charges and/or anywhere to go to was the believed in the Messiah, and you could be Jewish or warned anything like that back in the regional buildout when I went to a Baptist Church and they were all in the right when Christianity and everything was red white and blue, and anybody that didn't vote Republican was an atheist basically pull away from the church and FYI thought out messianic guy. I appreciate that yes all him to go to another call and a moment now of but just to say we do appreciate when folks do not call in and without solicitation on RN give out peers my weight website is my Facebook page that's that's not kosher etiquette online. If if you want to do that in the future, sir, with any any pleasure calling and say, would it be okay if I gave out my website or I gave out this information was all will have his people to his calling and advertisement promoting remorse for what you doing maybe fine worthy, but the power to go back to regular one last call will go back to is this that you do see what happens when the gospel is weaved together with politics, but people think of Jesus plus the Republicans were Jesus plus the Democrats or or of Jesus plus this one or that one. That's when it becomes a problem it's Jesus that we preach. So yes we may vote a certain way. We may hold the values that are more in harmony with particular party, but if there was a party flag to signify my church the five that I can fly my congregation.

All right.

Okay let me go to one more call and we will go over to Providence, Rhode Island, Justin, the time is short dive right in. Welcome to the line of fire, but are you there yeah go ahead. I got burned and my question about role or question that Macbeth felt about question to be reconciled for spring. Five bridge for the property. With her head uncovered, implied the print property in church and prescriptive working that we should rethink by women church and the second question is where do we draw the line over the permissible programming needed worship or to prayer in a contradiction. Got it. Thank you sir. So we've we've addressed these questions because the very root relevant in the Scriptures that come up a lot on this is no question that women can freely minister publicly can share the gospel can teach, preach and leading worship can can speak by the spirit so question in my mind. According to Scripture, they can do that.

It's clear.

Romans 16 is looking for.

There were many women who were intricately involved in Paul's ministry and play key roles as well is first Corinthians 14 most likely issue there is that of interrupting a teaching meeting that you have women sitting alongside men sitting on the other side and because women did not receive as good an education in those days as men teach me go on, they would be calling out to to their husbands asking questions across the aisle and because of that you got a meeting.

Maybe if of 30 people squeezed into a house. It was disruptive and if you have a question asked at home. Others believe that is minority, but it's possible that there's that whole little section about women, keeping silent, but that was a question from the Corinthians, and Paul's response was what we talked about the words come from you ever instruct you how how long could you be so either those two ways. I do not believe that women are primarily call to headship the sick and the whole that even though this mutual submission, husband, wife, wife to husband. The husband is in the unique way the head of the home and carrying a certain responsibility. So I believe it's the same governmentally. I believe that the ideal is male senior leadership in the church in the home, which is what it the pattern you see even even governments around the world. I do believe there are exceptions where God raises up women to do other jobs in their anointed and call them plus. But I do not see that as the norm, but within your normal search structure but you had senior male leadership and women released to minister preach serve. We worship to all these different things, but do it but the Lord be glorified and let us be blessed in the process) so if you haven't yet, make your way over to a website ask Dr. Brown.org SK DR Brown.org. If you don't get our emails sign up otherwise so you missed the notification yesterday of the very first to find out about the political seduction of the church being available so be sure to sign up there in the website ask Dr. Brown SK DR Brown DOS horse preorders coffee sauces such as sex is another program powered by the Truth Network