The Failure of “Progressive” Religious Faith

The following program is recorded content created by the Truth Network is a reason why so-called progressive religion is failing stage for the line of fire with your host activist all the international speaker and theologian Dr. Michael Burrell your voice of moral cultural and spiritual revolution Michael Brown is the director of the coalition of conscience and president of fire school of ministry get into the line of fire valves like always 866-34-TRUTH that's 866-34-TRUTH your again is Dr. Michael Brown thanks friends for joining us on the line of fire, be prepared to be edified, encouraged and strengthened in your faith. This is Michael Brown here's number to call 866-34-TRUTH 866-34-TRUTH 87884.

Here's what I do like we do on Fridays.

Any question of any kind. Any subject you want to discuss with me, by all means give me a call. I'm opening the phones while got a bunch of things. What is your first and then I'll take your calls, 866-348-7884 also for those who differ with me but for whatever reason.

Either you can't call you rather not call feel free to post a difference on Facebook or YouTube. My team will be checking in the comment section if you watch you live on asked Dr. Brown SKU brown on either Facebook or YouTube and you got some issue some bone to pick, post a comment if we use if we spot it and were able to interact with that II may interact with some posted comments as well as phone calls right. Fair enough. Okay of a written article published in the stream and elsewhere yesterday and the title was another example of the failure of quote progressive religious faith. Those of us who hold to certain fundamentals.

Those of us who are absolute in our beliefs. Those of us who say the Bible is God's inspired word and it shows us the way of salvation and outside of Jesus. There is no salvation. We would be considered antiquated. We would be considered fundamentalist, even extremist by many in the world and others that you must have a quote progressive religious faith. You must move and evolve with the times that there are things in the Bible that are outdated and outmoded.

This would be the quote progressive view. There are things that are outdated and that are outmoded and and we have to get rid of those. We have to shed those parts of our faith and be progressive and understand the Bible rightly and apply it rightly and that will then minister to a new generation. That generation intern will be religious and will be devoted will be spiritual that will have all the old baggage because it's the old baggage that's driving people away. It's the old baggage of a bigoted God in a bigoted Bible and small minded religious extremists. That's what's driving people away. Instead, we need to be enlightened in understanding that's the argument.

The fact is, the truth goes in the opposite direction now to be clear, there are things in the Bible that were just for biblical times.

For example, the death penalty for breaking the Sabbath.

The death penalty for committing adultery. The call to to burn a sorcerer or which to death that was under the Sinai covenant that was when God revealed himself physically for the whole nation to solicit physically arming them the mountain on fire. The people hearing his voice. After bringing them out of Egypt miraculously and splitting the sea for them to walk through. He then gave his standards and laws like that also common in the ancient world in terms of death penalty for various offenses, but that is not carried over into the New Testament where if you violate the Sabbath you put to death if you commit adultery or put to death. For example, in first Corinthians 5.

Let's say you have some of the claims to be a follower of Jesus that they left their spouse new living in adultery.

And they refuse to repent. Reach out to the refused repent. They continue say non-Christian of following Jesus. God told me to delete my old relationship in his blessing. This new relationship, or what you do, do you still not person no you excommunicate them and kill them. You excommunicate so we fully understand that there were certain things that were given for biblical times that are not for all times. We also understand there are other principles that are universal moral principles.

For example, murder, always be wrong in any generation and any culture and forever and ever.

Adultery always be wrong in any error in any culture and forever stealing always been wrong in any culture anywhere, and for ever. So when we think that we are being progressive and we now deny the moral values of Scripture. We are going backwards. Not for now. I've written a bunch of articles on the subjects effect is most throw some headlines up of different articles that I've written about why conservative churches are growing and why. Aggressive churches are failing example why conservative churches are still growing published that a couple years ago is look at another one at so I I've addressed this theme over the years the terrible failure of the secular gospel is another article that I wrote to him with let's let's look at another one. Actually, it's the religious left that's dying. These articles are written the repair of your suits look at another one. I think there may be more anyway.

I have cited these things for years because it is the gospel that is the power of God for salvation for everyone who believes, for us to do. The intent of Romans 116. It is the truthful and fearless proclamation of God's word that changes laws. It is the uncompromised holding to his truths with compassion, with mercy, with wisdom with grace. Yes, but holding to his word and living it out. That is what will draw adherence around the world to churches that are really growing and I mean with serious, committed people. I don't mean just with churchgoers who were going to have their ears tickled, those can be a certain level of attraction, but I mean serious people serious disciples going through the fire holding on, taking a stand living out their faith going against the grain of the secular world. The churches around the world that are growing that are prospering get a house church movements. Large gatherings, they are the ones that hold to the fundamental truths of the Bible and having change with the times, but still preach what the Bible says about marriage, about sexuality, about purity, about holiness, about salvation. Those are the ones that have the blessing of God and without the blessing of God. You cannot produce true disciples that not think of it this, just from a philosophical angle from among if you are not really sure about the principles that you promote and when you promote them you make it clear that there's a lot of ambiguity here and there open to interpretation and you may see things differently than I see them.

That's the presentation well get people to die for that you get the gonna get people to sell everything and follow your you're not going to to be uncertain and produce a certain commitment as I can happen instead. When you are absolutely sure. I don't mean just by being dogmatic by being stubborn or plenty of dogmatic stubborn people and they preach dead religion. The religious hypocrites.

The legalists they bash over the head with the Bible and will bring the life-giving message of Scripture and don't bring you into an encounter with God and don't present the real Jesus they've they made to be dogmatic and certain, but they're not bringing life. They drive people away rather than draw people to but when you are holding without apology to the truth of Scripture you are backed by the Holy Spirit you are bringing people into a real relationship with Jesus, they'll leave everything for the pearl of great price is still the pearl of great price. The treasure hidden in the field, the parables of Jesus is still the treasure hidden in the field. What happened to me. December 17 of 1971. After weeks of being convicted of sin in my life. Rebellion and ugly behavior towards my parents and friends and others and towards God, after being under divine conviction for four weeks and weeks and weeks and then encountering the love of God through the joy of the Lord, recognizing his goodness in my badness, recognizing his incredible love towards me right then and there I said God I will never put a needle in my arm again and from that moment on, I was free. Never put in the Lamont again two days after that. Realize that any drug use is wrong is God them get high again and it wasn't just okay I have is hard. I know it's a hard murder Troy Horner, there are areas in life you do a workout is pushed through and persevere working on a research project together push through persevere along day at work. He pushed and persevere. But when it comes to encountering God I was changed I encountered his love, I encountered his goodness and through conviction of sin, I encountered some of his holiness, and when I met him. All I want to do is follow him. The thing that is been a mountain.

The idea of sale. Never put a needle in my arm again and realize that this may be a complete forsaking of everything I've been doing these last two years in one continuous.

It's all the time and be a rock star and drummer in all the silly things I was expecting was completely mature. It was completely immaterial.

All the things that it consumed my life up to that point. Remember I did drugs because I wanted to because I enjoy doing drugs. I live the lifestyle did because I enjoyed it because of rebellion and sin. I was experience the temporary pleasures of the flesh, the reality reality is when I encountered God ran from that stuff didn't want it didn't look back, because the freedom of Jesus. The new life in Jesus was remarkable and glorious and wonderful when people encountered God in that way and know the certainty of that which they believe then they will quickly abandon their old way of life coming.

They can choose to rebel going away of sin, but those who desire God. They will quickly abandon their own will but the questions are what can I do okay need to leave your business need to leave your career, you need to go on the mission field and work with poor children in Uganda. Yes, Lord. Thank you Lord for the perimeter.

That's your attitude know whatever it is or change course here and get a medical degree and in your gonna be a doctor. He can do research and come up with a cure for cancer. What okay I was planning on being an athlete, but whatever you said yes sir that your attitude with joy because you know him and have encountered him and and it's that certainty that gives you security as well. That's what around the world and even in America. The churches that are thriving.

Ones are growing once addressing real converts and become real disciples of the ones preach the gospel without apology.

So I'll tell you what prompted me to write this latest article, we come back and file name the line of fire with your host Dr. Michael Brown get into the minor fire now by calling 866-34-TRUTH here again is Dr. Michael Brown is joining us any question of any kind.

If you want to follow-up on our conversation yesterday about why am sure that Donald Trump will not be restored to the presidency. This year or anytime before 2024 features a strong again. Then by all means give me a call 866-34-TRUTH all just one quick word on that than loss.

If you more things with the Philly progressive religion and then go to your calls. There been folks who challenge me and said well you don't know what's coming, song and trust the prophets, the words they said trunks can be back in this year so I'm trusting the prophets, and you don't know what's coming. Seven. Trust them will first question is if they been wrong on every date they set thus far, and every guarantee they gave thus far isn't it time to question if you are believing the right people is someone number two who says God can speak to me that it recurred in my all I knew for a fact, I'd no question whatsoever. I knew for a fact back in December. No question whatsoever was 100% sure that the Trump would not be restored to the presidency that whatever happened with the elections where there was fraud about that that he was not going to be serving this term was 100% sure how what statistics that I have with a note that no statistics it was when I was away in a week on prayer retreat in Texas.

I knew that I knew that I knew. So God's often spoken smoothness is no six simply waited for the right time.

Out of respect for those that were sure was good to unfold in another way out of respect for those who simply hurting our faith. If you said anything to the contrary, I waited until I had the release from the order was ready. Writing articles that that was given a release. After that time when on public and and it was the day of the insurrection that that's when I felt okay because I was going for inauguration on 24 January, but that day the insurrection I knew it's it's time to be clear it will not.

It will not happen, it will not happen, it will not happen, so I knew that I knew that I knew.

That's why continue to speak up, and certainly put that aside, there is no scenario in which would happen there is no said there is no scenario in our system, in which would happen for Trump to be restored to the presidency reinstated to the presidency before the 2024 elections. Not to say he won't have political influence. Not to say he won't run again if he is the health and vitality. Not to say he couldn't win again. Those are all possibilities. I don't know the answer to any of those somethings I do know so for those that were challenging or mocking or asking about questions. That's the ultimate.

When knew that I knew that I knew. Therefore speak accordingly. Okay.

Forgo your calls. Let me go back to the article that I wrote the newest article. Another example of the Philly progressive religion and and this is just based on a principle okay so I start the article by saying that a recent poll serving Jewish religious affiliation in America points once again to the Philly progressive religion is not just with when it comes to the preaching of the gospel, but in general this principle holds the religious world. That's because religious face to overcome the obstacles and challenges of life in the secular world, it must offer real substance and must be transferable to next-generation failing that it will quickly lose its appearance, to be sure, progressive religion is your stasis will always be those who hold to a more rationalistic humanistic version. The faith and will always be spiritual reactions against legalism, extremism and fundamentalist hypocrisy but is often pointed out, with regard to Christian expression is a reason the conservative biblically-based churches continue to grow a liberal, progressive churches continue to decline, and this is something I wrote in 2014.

The truth be told, most people are serious about spiritual things are looking to join with people of like mind will most people don't take God's word seriously will not take spiritual commitment seriously, why bother going to church if you don't believe it's being preached regular prayer meeting or or Bible study. If not sure if it is real, why make a serious commitment to to church life. If you committed Christians as radical extremists so when it comes to Jewish expression is true that Reform Judaism which is the progressive response to Orthodox Judaism, beginning in Germany in the early 1800s the bread over to the states for decades later. It continues to have the largest number of Jewish inherence in America, but it's largely because Jews are not that religious. In other words, is a reform G can be nominal in your practice and skeptical in your faith while still maintaining your Jewish identity and your sense of connectivity to people because of religious outlook for your liberal social conscience. Part of what you consider to be your Jewish prophetic calling, but with low birth rates high intermarriage rates and little resistance to the world strong secular Todd Reform Judaism cannot maintain itself in a multi-generational way, or at least a point in the article for minute give you a little history Jews living religious lives often were marginalized by the society and then would choose to live in their own communities separated from the hostile outside world is for the practice their faith without persecution in this weather not pulled in by the temptations of the world and often was the outside society that segregated Jews will then you have with the emancipation enlightenment era in the 1700s going to the early 1800s Jews now are more exposed to the larger world around them and their educated choose a simple no police or primitive dietary law stuff. This idea that the Jews are the specially chosen people or having a holy day and Saturday when the Christian world we live in is holy and Sunday and we should we should reform some of our tradition. Hence, Reform Judaism, which begins about 200 years ago, roughly in Germany. Then comes over to the states. But as much as it was a religious faith and expression. It was still secular and nominal other. Did Moses write the top one obvious that we don't believe that it is that the Hebrew Bible to talk God's inspired book while in in a different way and you should be believe the Jews especially chose one of that would seem arrogant. So a lot of distinctives of Judaism went out the window and even though this is had great appeal to masses of Jews in in these two centuries.

It's not a long-term sticking appeal because is a high rate of intermarriage and kids raise reform are not that religious or not, that connected to their people and its much this must be the chance of them assimilating that you had a reaction against Reform Judaism which had more and more extremes in different ways and concerned other Jews so that there were traditional juices, a look, we can't believe what we used to believe about the Bible and or literature that it's uniquely inspired in the butt because we know too much. Now critical scholarship is toast much but we still believe in the calling of the Jewish people and preserving our traditions, hence could conservative Utes met her I was raised in the conservative Judaism was try to find an enlightened middle ground between reform which is liberal Judaism and Orthodox Judaism than even ultra-Orthodox would be more extreme to the right, conservative Judaism is as well die out in America because it's got more and more liberal into the left. Over the years, likable. What's the appeal to it that you not sure if the traditions are secondary. If not calling for a vigorous and rigorous Jewish lifestyle was the appeal and then Reform Judaism continues to lose if your and swears Orthodox Judaism is very strict and very difficult terms all the demands and how you have to live and set you even more against your culture and get you more looked at as an outsider that is growing in number, so I want to put this graphic up for you right it's a graphic asking the question, will your grandchildren be Jewish to those who are watching will see this on them. Describe the laws you have four columns across the top four columns of Jews secular so that's no religious affiliation at all reform. That's it. Liberal affiliation conservative liberal leaning but still try to conserve traditions, centrist Orthodox, so to the right, but somewhat modernized and then proceeded to yeshiva Orthodox so that's ultra Orthodox ultra fundamentalist so you have you have 10 people across the top and they represent each 100 people. Okay so that represents a thousand people.

So when you go down one generation because of intermarriage because of the faith that being passed on because of low birth rates versus high birth rates. You see the numbers starting to change quite dramatically and and then the third generation fourth-generation literally have one 10th of where you started with secular even even less than that. Barely a tent maybe attends with reform when you get over to the specific yeshiva ultra-Orthodox. You can even fit the numbers and in in the picture so salute the way it the way it breaks down and I discussed this I went through the data in my book saving is sick. America so here's the data and I quoted my article the chart starts with 100 Jews in each of the five categories representing hypothetical first generation so it's a it's 1×10.

Sorry that a thousand hundreds by the second generation, those numbers are respectively 4146 66 163, 324 so the hundred is down to 41 of the second-generation up to 324 and the second with very religious, but the third-generation most secular only out of 100 years.

Now it's down to 17. The most religious out of 100, now it's up to thousand 50 by the fourth-generation. The numbers are truly astounding.

Seven. The hundred by the fourth-generation is that than to seven people identifies Jews as the ultra-Orthodox is up to 3401. This is through intermarriage simulation and birth rates yet. For example, what one of my friends ultra-Orthodox rabbi has 14 kids. We last talked some years ago we had 10 grandkids gives the most was kids were younger. Growing up I now is probably a 20 or 30 grandkids yet so this is just an interesting phenomenon tells me the full whole festival will honor God with our family. We have a multigenerational answer to the secular society we do I care on the line of fire with your host Dr. Michael Brown. Your voice is more cultural and spiritual revolution.

Here again is Dr. Michael Brown question that I asked recent days. We enter final apostasy final rebellion, the likes of which Paul speaks of in second Thessalonians 2. I want to throw in another thought about that question. But first going to the phones, 866-3487 84 as we do on Friday and sometimes do other days of the week were opening up the phones to any question of any kind that you'd like to ask and we will start over in Australia, Peter, welcome to the line of fire Michael Pennoyer doing very well thank you sir, what time is it where your particularly in the morning. I all goodwill of early thank you. Hello, I wanted to highlight the problem of confusion because it usually the Golden, and it has been doctrines that opposed Scripture.

Some examples admitted miniatures. The Bible mandate I just whitened major financial system, but the Constitution mandates and unjust whitened major financial system via legal tender little that you do have a Federal Reserve and a treasury now printing locality treating money that has no backing of any venue having trillions and trillions counterfeited by politicians and the institution. But if you and I did that it would be cool for Rotary agenda under belief that some American enter strike ends the of of worshiping and serving up holes and full expense for the vanity. So what what you say. Australians also witnessed the modern believe we can serve God and the Westminster system through the Whitman committee stated grounded on them.

Stephen Lincoln's Magna Carta running mate but but my mind is light after regulation for the conduct of the angle of the Prime Minister Laura president in Deuteronomy chapter 17. The mother said this is the regulations concerning the conduct of the king who used to stick down with the priest and he is to write out the full by hand so they wouldn't of wrongful plunder right bring on Psalm two. Yeah, I want to I want to directly respond to your larger point.

Just one more point of clarification.

Since these were God's laws to Israel and since Australia is not Israel and America is not Israel and the nation on the earth suffer from Israel.

Is this Israel do we have a right to expect the world to live by biblical principles or use or are you saying that for the church. Our highest allegiance has to be biblical principles, not the government's Constitution. If anybody anybody want Roy to conjure up mood erratically go to the Bible occurred. Dearness striata then believers pray to God our Lord" empowerment given charges will not, I will if I want to go to school to clinically go to Bible want Roy to school.

If I want to regularly. I want to write sentences just just to pursue this one drop further and and then I want to I want to agree with a lot of what you said that I want to pursue this mantra further in the Bible you have resembled the death penalty for filing the Sabbath of the death penalty for committing adultery or various purity laws. Should we be keeping those today as well community here in Poland program. Another problem or another all the carpet usually have good allure 2 term which has destroyed justice with one hand and confused confused the whole population with the Alberta on Dick Moret exploring nine will hello perspective of government in America strengthening month is different to the biblical or natural government.

The natural government is the family dinner your grandfather you you you tell your kids and grandkids. What is probably ungodly.

Rogers and and you'll be here and influence is limited to your family.yet started at just want to jump in and response.

First, I appreciate the thought is given to this and concerns that you're raising. I have met conservative Christians who, in my view over exalt the American Constitution. I spoke with with one leader told me that he didn't put Constitution on the level of of the Bible, but felt it was uniquely inspired by God and should be revered in a very high level.

So in that sense, yes there are those who make it as if Christian values equal the Constitution biblical values equal Constitution. Now when it comes to America on no expert on Australia and also just comment on America.

I believe our Constitution's founding documents are blessed in many ways I believe that there is great wisdom that the founding fathers had, and for that wisdom. I would credit God in the degree to which they looked at scriptural principles so this much value there and it America has been unique in many ways. In terms of the nature of its democracy, yet to look at. The Constitution is sacrosanct on the level of Scripture that's a bigger to look at it is as wonderful founding documents for a nation but everything must be tested biblically then yeah I'm with you on that or looking to these things as a golden calf young I'm with you on that to say had these are excellent documents. The founding fathers had had lots of wisdom, even divine wisdom.

There is much scriptural principal built into the logic behind many of the things and if it was your to constitutional principles will do well. I do believe that, but I believe there has been over exultation out. The other thing is, I strongly oppose the idea. If the autonomy that any nation should enforce biblical law on the entire nation so that you are the whole nation is required to keep the Sabbath and if they don't, there is a severe panel death penalty or the whole nation is required to live morally and if you commit adultery is death penalty. Of course there are things that should be illegal and there things.

The law does, but a theogony is something that us delegates will hate Peter interesting conversation and one that Stephanie of interest for sure Christian nationalism which conflates notes, joins together the kingdom of God with America as one or puts the Constitution on a level so it's much like the Bible. Those are serious errors in the thank you, thank you for the call. Only from Australia, 8663 for while staying outside the US we go to Steve and Ontario, Canada.

Welcome to light a fire by Dr. Brown Carter talk to again like that. Yeah? You parted your looked at practice or my thing you know I'm a Christian. I believe that there is one God, triangle God, Yahweh, that he three distinct person father, son, Holy Spirit, and jam with that preference. I can't help but notice from the Bible that you know talk about family a lot right in familiar terms. There and know like father-son and then you know I called the bridegroom. You know how the church is the bridegroom of Jesus… Right engrafted in adopted and stuff like that and I guess my question to you is like I don't know much about Greek or Hebrew language NIC in the Bible that the Holy Spirit is referred to with a male pronoun right so my question to you is like is there every anywhere in the Bible where the Holy Spirit is referred to with a distinctly male or distinctly female pronoun.

Actually the very first reference in in Genesis 1 to Ross Elohim process itself in them.

I'm the spirit of God hovering over the face of the water or over the to home over the deep that's that's feminine. There so actually the Holy Spirit is sometimes referred to as feminine. The Holy Spirit is sometimes referred to as as neutral neuter so there is an just so-so folks instead every word in Hebrew or Greek dyslexia in Spanish or Italian, with its pan, whether it's glasses, whether it's a dog with its person has to be either male or female or in Greek you have it right right saying enter good ideas that one thing. What I know how certain words have been amended or male leg their male-female net has nothing to do with like the weather is actually tackling male rats wired asking about that pronoun. Another reason why ask before I get too far into her or whatever it is I had like a second question like, you know how Eve was taken out of Adam right right and to become two distinct person right and they're both the same act in faith. Both have human nature right there. Their union right producers offspring right and I was wondering if you might think that is like a finite physical image or like picture of like a more eternal truth of Yahweh. Like how Yahweh is an eternal father like I'm never saying a heresy not yet again every time an absolute limit answer. You could argue aspects of the sun coming forth from the father the son sending the spirit that there are similar types of images but but no II would not see that in that same analogous way. It's it it's an interesting question you're talking about essence and we concluded not speaking horrifically. There I wouldn't see that in terms of an eternal image in the same way, but it wouldn't surprise me if others use similar reasoning. Obviously you know you gotta tread very carefully when you're addressing things like this list, seeing the that speaking of the eternal nature of the sun or the spirit by stare at their it's the line of fire with your host activist, author, international speaker and theologian Dr. Michael Brown voice of more cultural and spiritual revolution get into the line of fire now by calling 6643 here again is Dr. Michael Brown yesterday.

Just one more comment, if you go to see John 1415 16 the Holy Spirit's reference.

There are references with pronouns with he again you don't really want to read anything more into the pronouns than to just other gendered issues that we discussed her verbal equivalents and things like that. But yes, that there are times with the he, for example, so that that would somewhat undermine that the type of image of which is spoken anyway. Thank you for the call and the question much appreciated. But let us go to Ruben and this is that we won't let's go to Angela and Alexander Virginia. Welcome to the line of fire. Dr. Brown hey thank you so much for taking my call. I I had the pleasure back in tempo client Brownfield family wonders if it is indeed a pleasure but quickly I wanted to get reference back to your ear, your comment please there and a guy. He the Lord speaking to you that you know basically, John was not going to independent. However, I think Rita stated and just just to be clear, he's just never spoken to me before an election as to who was going to win or not.

I and any feelings I had, which is that my own feelings so it was it was after he had he lost elections reportedly within we are being told is all because of father can be court cases and many were still prophesying the things we can be overturned.

It was it was then cycled after the elections. I know you know that but just to clarify for others that I just knew it wasn't God speaking as I knew it, which is a way that will speak to me, that wasn't to happen that he wasn't to be restored to the presidency got so back to you.

Okay I answered it kind of in the package. They got had never spoken to you about it wedding he would land in and fill out this time he was sure and I will thinking that God had no poking you that he rented on land that not what you are. I mean that he wasn't going to be the president yeah so I was.

It wasn't before the election I voted for Trump in 2017 and 2020 and one when I went to sleep late night election. It looked like wow chumps can remember thinking myself how the profits are right again this is unbelievable and and you know it's incredible.

And then the next morning things. It shifted dramatically and then I thought okay look it. It could turn maybe the Corsican overturned something. Maybe there really is fraud may be something happened may be these prophetic words are true and I kept wondering and wondered through November because God is God, he can overturn things, you know it, and there could be a surprise that happens or I just felt that that our court system would work correctly that Trump had enough money and attorneys and others looking at this, that if there was some to be overturned it would happen and then I was still was watching things unfold in the courts and then it was just while away praying I just became overwhelmed with the certainty again that's that's how I've of her divorce Lord. Many times now, here's just I know that I know that I know now it does mean and who has to believe me you don't say I never got up until the Lord God told me you have to believe me. So that's how I knew and then at the right moment. When I what I wanted to brace the fall of people who were sure he was going to be inaugurated. We put all their trust in these prophetic words.

When I knew that the words were false that they want to come to pass. I was praying about how to brace people's fall had to help people that we love and have a crisis of faith and that's why just waited for the moment when I felt the release to go ahead and say otherwise. I was notice anything until the inauguration and the inauguration happened not based on hey I'm telling you, but based on okay. It happened here and here words here prophetic words were people guaranteeing that Biden will not serve a day in office. Your words guaranteeing compensator of eight consecutive years. So at that point it would been clear, but the day of the storming of the Capitals when I felt overwhelmingly strongly on the radio to dish out to the world hates over, it's over it's over for you to get it up to now. Please get it tragically, though there are people still holding to this and I and and there are people still prophesying it and when you try to correct it, then your an unbeliever.

Arguably, the profits are apostate, so it shows that real deep deception.

It shows things are even worse than I was realizing which concerns me deeply. Okay, thank you so much that you are very welcome. God bless you Angela and let's see all right still got some time for another call to.

Let's go to we will go there why people hanging up on me today hurts my feelings.

Just kidding just kidding, 866-34-TRUTH before go back to the phones I said I was going make another comment about speculation. Are we in the final falling away when I talked a couple days ago about why so many are losing their faith. My I guess was his last week that I get into that. Why so many are losing their faith. I said there there are skews me a bunch of things happening at the same time that are very concerning and this is definitely a serious crisis moment where many are apostates us the same time, of course, around the world's have been saying the gospel spreading and multiplying powerful but for sure it is a serious time of of spiritual crisis. The reason someone say no note this is the final apostasy is because we've never gone this way before the destruction of marriage and family, we never gone this far with celebrating things that cause against. We've never gone this far with the culture embracing values that are wrong and destructive that could lead someone to say there's no way back from that. But even if that was the case. America could be judged and is not the so the end of the world so let's deal with the issues that we do face that start with the book has God failed.

If you haven't got it yet you go through struggles in your own faith.

You have a friend that's lost their faith really check out the book I think you find it super helpful. Has God failed you funny faith when you're not even sure God is real, but don't don't speculate about the final apostasy instead deal with the real falling we were witnessing. Let's come up with biblically based answers and with encounters with God that will help people change the laws okay with that. Go back to the phones to the Dixie in Baltimore, Maryland. Welcome to light a fire, you're welcome very rare offering clarity. Ministry ministry arm. I question how how God back to anger and could benefit from Betty on apocalyptic nuchal property in the Bible. I wonder, am I encouraging or going to look at the annual I wonder how you will what you have in my life BK I look at how he came about, it would not be very fitting really know how light would happen until after it happened with description effect. I don't think the Virgin Mary and their being born in Bethlehem after and wonder if apocalyptic profit Ray at that will understand our active happening. Maybe they'll likely be done like roads and how he is such a setting building at doctoring on on an assumption for me for what happened by great great question. Let me first say with regard to messianic prophecy in many ways it is true that as things unfolded than the Scriptures became clear, and there is wisdom in that.

Otherwise you try to manufacture it make it happen.

Create certain things then there other things that that we know were longing for were hoping for were praying for with regard to messianic prophecy but is for us apocalyptic prophecy. If, let's just say the book of Revelation, much of it speaks of the the tail end of the age right before Jesus returns to only understand it after it happens, was too late to apply at that because he's returned right so what's really important. As we understand the nature of apocalyptic literature when when someone would hear it.

In the ancient world that the recipients of the book of Revelation that that got those words and the visions, how they interpreted how do they understand it and then from there we can make sense in our world so it. In other words, every generation she be able to read the book of Revelation with profit, not just because there try to figure out how it all works out in their own lives because they understand it. Speaking of the the cosmic battle between good and evil, between the kingdom of God and the kingdom of Satan.

The battle of the attack on God's people. The victory out of suffering and overcoming the ultimate triumph that that should give us hope in any generation and generations are rather than trying to interpret every specific, especially in a book like Revelation understand the the larger themes that are being laid out like some movie and end of the good guy winning and in some apocalyptic type of battle against all these cosmic forces in the universe. There's a lesson for us understand the lessons rather than a specific detail try to stand the force and the power of the literature what it's conveying and then that message speaks to us in every generation culminates with the return of confused. I hope that helps. Check out Craig Keener's commentary Revelation in the NIV application, Craig Keener, Revelation NIV application commentary another program powered by the Truth Network