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10.3.22 - JR SportBrief Hour 3

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October 4, 2022 1:39 am

JR gives props to Kevin Harlan and explains why he's one of the most unique sports broadcasters of all-time

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Rocket can I'm to be hanging out here with you for the next two hours.

This is when I get started on no I don't. I been here for two hours. Belmont talk about a Shabbat confuse me and help me out. Don't you get it when you get started on the West Coast. You correct, but I do get started at 10 PM Eastern, 7 PM Pacific. You can listen all the time all four hours of the show on the free policy at you can listen on your local CBS sports radio affiliate consumed in Sirius XM channel 158 and you can even lock in on the smart speaker minutes Monday. Forgive me. People we opened up the show talking about Sulla. Thank God he's not going to play against the checks jets next game. We talked about Kenny Pickett, Kenny Pickett took over for Mitch Stravinsky and he's going to take over the next game as well. We talk about the ravens choking against Buffalo. We talked about the Broncos thinking talked about Gino Smith he's playing well.

We talked about Paul's Albert pool 703 home runs.

Albert boreholes is now sucking all time in RBIs behind Babe Ruth. Unfortunately for Albert pool halls. The caramels lost to the Pirates tonight 322 a matter fact because when I do have to many more of these instances with pool holes. Let's listen to a homerun number 703 and its courtesy of pool Valley sports Midwest listen to this. So you heard correctly. Not for me.

He passed Babe Ruth.

He's now in second place behind hammering Hank Aaron in passing Babe Ruth. We know he's basically a mythical creature and so not only has Amber and Judge passed Babe Ruth on the single-season homerun record mark of 60 now. By the way our judge.

He is still waiting to hit homerun number 62 no homerun tonight from our judge.

Even though the Yankees they beat the Rangers 3 to 1 hour and Judge has three more games left against the Texas Rangers to try to break that single-season mark in the American league that he's tied with with Roger Morris at 61, and so Albert pool holes hell of a way to finish up the season a career and were not done with the Cardinals will be in the playoffs and maybe Albert pool holes can continue to go out with the bank.

I don't know if it's gonna be a World Series bang, but he certainly going to go out on a high note in our judgment. Three more games just to hit one more homerun.

I'm certainly rooting for him. Tony LaRusso decided to call it quits for the White Sox's doctors have told him hey man, you need to stay home is 78 years old New York Mets that decided to choke away the National League East of the Atlanta Braves that they probably have this locked up flat. Of the braves they lose tonight for nothing, to the Marlins, but I would not worry and then speaking of getting beat up and beat down Monday Night Football.

How about this, the San Francisco 49ers, they beat the Los Angeles Rams. The final score 24 to 9 this is what I would consider quite simply to be and asked what is a beat down. Let me give you some simple numbers and stats you so you understand it and I'll dive a little deeper. Matthew Stafford was sacked seven times. Matthew Stafford threw a pick six. Yet he threw a touchdown to the wrong team. Matthew Stafford did not throw a touchdown to anyone on his team and Matthew Stafford, the man who is a wiki had a procedure done a surgical procedure done on his throwing elbow Matthew Stafford tonight had to throw the ball 48 times just to stay alive. So the Los Angeles Rams.

They faltered to into an San Francisco Bay improve their record to to into what Jimmy garrotte below.

Let's keep in mind the start of the season was supposed to betray Lance Jimmy garrotte below was supposed to be on the sidelines is not what happened. Okay overall Jimmy garrotte below was now seven and all versus the Rams in the regular season. We noted work out so much in this past the postseason Rams. They decided to win the NFC championship game. They ultimately won the Super Bowl and then Kyle Shanahan, head coach of the San Francisco 49ers. He is now eight and for all time versus Sean McVeigh. These guys are like frenemy's new work out of the first time ever heard from you means may be 1015 years ago but here we are. And so tonight's game outside of the. The simple you know numbers I gave you seven sacks in a pick six for Matthew Stafford. Besides knowing he got his asked what things didn't start off pretty cool for San Francisco starting offense off in the first quarter, courtesy of Westwood One Jeff Wilson. He decided to get the party started early, a 32 yard rushing touchdown, giving San Francisco a 7 to 3 lead. Now lunch.

I don't know if there's a snap in the picture downfield in the first quarter Super Bowl In it seems that the Rams were cooked early.

There was a fumble early on in the game they were unable to do a damn thing after that and we get to the end of the game and I told you about Matthew Stafford in his pick six. Probably the most exciting play of the game.

To no surprise worked as to the surprise of no one came from Diebel Samuel. He finished tonight with six receptions, 115 yards receiving a touchdown in that touchdown. It was long as hell 57 yards and by the way it looked like the ball was about to be picked off Diebel. Samuel was able to get his hands on it and he took it to the house to give San Francisco a 14 to 6 lead. This took place in the second quarter 20 Samuel Kevin Hall and Shep Kevin Hall and can make two cockroaches fighting in the street he could probably make that sound exciting to see what is you rank among your top six all time favorite announcers. We did we – I understand that we did that or by Noven. I know the great late Vince goal is number one is a hard as he teased at the top six right you want to make me go back and will try to make. I'm not try to make more work for you. I just did not know you like the old school guys. Kevin Harlan is still he's not considered old school. That's the only reason I bring up back from May we did the top six list of my favorite announcers in May of this year.

Kevin Harlan was number six okay okay so without you number two or three. That's what I'm getting at the there's so many great announcers.

That's the point I'm making here will Kevin Harlan I tell you this much I gag. I assume now this is his 38th season covering the NFL Kevin Harlan's amazing 36 years. I guess this is going on 37 covering the NBA. Kevin Harlan is just he's he's amazing. Remember that time I think we actually played it when Kevin Hall and covered like the streaker on the field. Remember that and then I think the streaker got hit in Kevin Hall and was just like here is he's at the attorneys at the 20 is asses out always at the five. All we got hit you have it right.

Not right now. You don't have right now you think I do know your line of McCarthy Westwood One I you when your first you don't watch you go ahead and play on. Okay, so obviously that was old so if you're tuning in. That was not Kevin Harlan tonight but that is one of the funniest things I've ever ever heard in my life and will talk more about Kevin Harlan as the show goes on because he is just he's getting ready to go basketball and was it wasn't a Vince Carter dunk Shep. He just what he say all killed all mankind or something. No, no mercy for mankind is that what he said like then and in the famous call and suck the gravity iodide of the arena, the kind of thing. Yet Kevin Harlan is just he's fun.

I like it I like imagine him and imagine him and John Sterling in a booth together. It's a it's impossible right chair. Do you remember the dual games he called chiefs and patriots you are talking about what happened there was up there was a breakdown coverage and I think I don't know how this happened or why this happened. I could be completely butchering this but I believe the telecast went down and Kevin was responsible for calling both the Chiefs and patriots game.

At the same time, my God, in the fate… Yes yes yes yes he's that good know he's he's amazing, with no regard for human know somebody dunk. There was like Vince Carter is somebody with no regard for human life.

I'm like okay this is a little much in no regard for human life, but he's he's amazing. He's so amazing I told you about the game tonight San Francisco winning 2049 Matthew Stafford getting smacked around for the entire game. When Matthew Stafford in the Rams still had a chance. Listen to this call from Kevin Harlan.

This is Matthew Stafford throwing the football to the wrong team to pretty much seal the deal. He is Kevin Harlan saying how much coffee is that he's drinking like cups of coffee.

No, I think that's just the way he's wired you know what years ago actually met his daughter.

His daughter is Olivia and I think Olivia might be married to here I go here I go put my foot in my mouth. She is married to Chandler Parsons. II believe me, look this up. I don't need nobody yelling at me lately what that's that's Kevin Holland daughter. Oh no, she's married to wasn't Sam Decker yes yes for Wisconsin badger. Yes, I mixed up my rockets yes I love Mark Musselwhite shoot you guys for the rockets. It was it was Sam Decker that she's married Sam Decker's got some wife doesn't want to see do now, not so I'm just I'm just I'm I'm looking at. I'm looking at Miss Harlan backgrounds and I take what you doing to together and I just said he had sunlight you could interpret that however you want. Okay I will. Olivia is very nice. I met her. One time was was with her warm on these casting things for an all-day type situation. She's very nice and so I have no idea. I just know you know that makes me think about how I know how he rolls his daughter to think, Alyssa Alyssa. She does a she's done she's an update and said yes but finished a nice job Ashley yeah and Bentley, maybe not. When you know you I don't know she's ever done for you before right. I want to say no to your hosting, then 34 years ago really hasn't haven't spoken to a listen in quite some time.

2018 2019.

I'm a mom I'm 99.99% positive she was doing update you Alyssa. Her dad is the great how we rolls of the radio voice for the New York Mets. Anyway, I digress it. Kevin Harlan man. He's also he's amazing and there's just so many calls. I could go on and on about Kevin, but he is. It was Lebron James see out that it was Vince Carter.

Pretty sure at some point.

Kevin Harlan had when those ridiculous calls for Vince Carter to Vince Carter.

Certainly had his share of Kevin Hall he could marry my life to be a little bit more exciting than what it probably is in reality he typed it up but he is that guy in tonight.

The 49ers, not a God. They were team. They walk away with the victory 24 to 9 brutalized the Rams. The Rams didn't have.

They have a chance. Not when Matthew Stafford is a running for his life. Now when Matthew Stafford has to throw the ball almost 50 times and not when they can't muster anything with the turnovers, the JR sport ratio here with you on CBSSports ready or willing to take a break. Phone lines are open 855-2124 CPS. You can call me about Kevin Harlan, please don't call me about anybody's wife and on the other side of the break as well will talk about Shinichi. Matter fact you'll hear from Jimmy garrotte below. This is a guy who wasn't even supposed to be playing right now and he's leaving the San Francisco 49ers again is the JR sport ratio right here with you on CBSSports radio you are listening to the JR sport brief on CBSSports radio you are listening to the JR's own CBSSports radio what is happening. JR Waddell called it a couple of life on the radio. It JR… Coley now with 855-2124 CVS tonight Monday Night Football the 49ers.

They beat the Rams. The final score 24 to 9 of this is domination. If you couldn't sell nine means absolute nothing. The Rams couldn't muster a damn thing where the offense come from three field goals for Mac day. That's it.

We pretty much opened up the game with a fumble.

Nothing happened there and at the end of the game. Matthew Stafford. He was able to throw a touchdown to the wrong team.

He was also sacked seven times and trying to stay alive during the course of the game. Matthew Stafford had to throw 48 passes. No rushing in a game like this playing from behind 57 yards on the ground Matthew Stafford.

He threw for 254 yards to the shock of no one corporate cup was on the receiving end of 122 of those passes were yards and meanwhile on the other side. The man who wasn't even supposed to play this season.

Not for the 49ers Jimmy garrotte below 239 yards, a touchdown that 57 yarder to Diebel Samuel, and he wasn't sacked once Jimmy garrotte below walking away unscathed.

And the reason why he's even playing right now is because pretty much open the season tray. Lindsay went down with a broken ankle and so Jimmy garrotte below. He talked after the game had a nice conversation with the media after a W and he said oh yeah, it always feels good when you beat the other guys the Rams who by the way they beat them to go to the Super Bowl listener Jimmy G it's always nice to be these guys division game and just had an ivory tower to the Rams. The dogfight always is always usually comes down to Nolasco Manson and Kaufman. July 1 at the end there to conceal force Jimmy garrotte below now personally himself. He is seven and oh against the Rams in the regular season. Here we not going count the playoffs but Jimmy garrotte below.

When he plays he wants, what would they be in the same position. I know it's too into FS like everybody in the NFL right now is to into.

We know that there's some tooling suit seems out of damn good or better than what they might be like the ravens probably if they can stop choking and then you got some tooling suit seems when you go my God there that Sue and Sue but they probably aren't good, maybe like the Seahawks. Sorry Gino Smith anyway. In the case of Jimmy garrotte below. He talked about holding onto the football tonight.

Not not turning it over this.

What he said in a car wreck the responsibility. I think rubberized ball in her hand has the responsibility of the entire organization not your fingertips.

And he's got smart with it. I think I comes with experience comes with zeal, but in the time of the guys in the same page but that's the job. Guess it's just part of the job. Give us this, what the hell they paying you for you by the way they paying Jimmy garrotte below, but this man had to take a pay cut. Just to stick around and see they had to just just pack his new contract with incentives if he were to play any did like what type of I don't know this is like it's just like breaking up with you Exton your ex couldn't find somebody else. So the X comes back at this is just a very complicated situation, but Jimmy garrotte below is here and for all the tray lances are quarterback all that that we heard of before the season that we heard in the summer knowing that they tried and wanted to trade Jimmy garrotte below, but they had difficulty because of his shoulder surgery. This is probably the best case scenario, not just for Jimmy garrotte below before the 49ers to compete as well. I highly doubt that they would have the same type of success or the potential or the ceiling which we garrotte below. I say that right now in Salem. I hope this is not the case. Jimmy garrotte below gets hurt because he is still a high probability of that taking place as well just based on past history and I don't wish and injury on Jimmy garrotte below.

Hell no, but there's a reason that the 49ers wanted to move on from this man. It's because he was not reliable when he played. He was good when he played was he one of the top five quarterbacks no but he certainly had a winning record. Certainly winning games. He helped them go to the Super Bowl. Was he the chief reason I wouldn't say so. This man has had enough moments that you go dammit he's a legitimate starter in the NFL.

When he's healthy and I need to hear Jimmy garrotte below. Give me the same damn speech from James Winston H.

Amos where's the pain. The pain the pain is everywhere just like the story of Jimmy garrotte blows career good for him. He's having an opportunity to play right now and if he can stay healthy to the rest of the season and Jimmy garrotte below. This will be some sucker asked sad team that decides to pay him 855-2124 CVS. That's 855-2124 CVS markets: from Baltimore your CBSSports radio Mark what's up I yell. I got your point and I really appreciate everything very short. Thank you. Go ahead. One thing I noticed the Monday night game and that it would yell her from working the Dragon that I kept thinking like you know where the very conservative approach to the random letter winning approach with with that, especially again.

Because, like, therefore, not make any big template yet. I think some from the get go. From the onset this this game was sandwiched between the initial fumble earlier on to start and then know we we seen this for Matthew Stafford like EE can be and is a gunslinger by nature and come on this is.

He can throw you out of the game, and so being conservative was was that the idea from Sean McVeigh to try to keep them alive. I assume it was. I mean, Matthew Stout, I got a really? You know the success of black check it out at your dream special toward the end would primarily based up their big plays and you know that they were generating bangles another with such success with that. I can imagine That conservative cycle yet. While I'm not I'm not going to question it as an overall Sean McVeigh.

I still found him to be one of the best coaches in the game flat. And I think that there is still an adjustment for what the offenses right now with the offense of line is for right now. Matthew Stafford was sacked seven times tonight you think about the offense of line being anchored by someone at left tackle was 40 years old last year and what work he's gone, you think about the explosive option that they bring in this still trying to work Alan Robinson and this man only had two receptions tonight for 7 yards. I mean, they opened up his first game of the season saying where the hell is he. You can't just go to work with wood Cooper cup and so I think this offense is still trying to figure out who the hell they are, especially with it is a new team. It's it's not the same exact slot on offense that they had last year so I think this is still the situation with the trauma become acclimated. I'm not gonna take anything away from Sean McVeigh. He is like a football genius. So I think it has more to do with the players that are on the field as opposed to wallow Sean McVeigh's, babysitting what you want for Matthew Stafford if he's on his ass every play stuff. DJ: from Atlanta your CBSSports radio what's up you know my nine-member government that it will be here when they might, they might be to do what will and will it's it's it's one game and in the four games that we've seen so far, this much is clear. The 49ers still have one of the best defenses in the NFL.

The 49ers have no issues getting to the quarterback when it comes to every single you will pass rushing the statistic, whether it be you know hits the percentage of getting to the quarterback that the Niners are up there and we are only four games in and so look as long as Jimmy garrotte below. Kin can stay upright. I'm going to give them a chance. Same thing. They still have a Diebel, Samuel Brandon, are you it's always nice when when George Kittle is available to play so you have the Niners say I would be shocked if they went to the playoffs.

I think the big thing here for the Niners is is Jimmy garrotte below going to be healthy enough to make it.

That's the questionnaire what you all well we we see the Braves.

I think it's a foregone conclusion that they can when the National League East and you know I still think it's the Mets I know they just got their asses what between shows are integral. That's a that's a major concern. The Braves, the bullpen, not necessarily worried about that.

What happens you know in the starting rotation outside of of Max Reed, I know you still have Charlie Morton, you have all the bats in the world. It's it's tricky right now, I'd say probably the Braves you got the Dodgers and and I would not discount the Mets despite how ugly they looked over the weekend.

I'd be more concerned with the Mets bats, but the Braves they have enough to go back to the World Series, no doubt DJ. Thank you for calling from right here in Atlanta.

Yeah, I think it's a three team three team race.

I would still probably favor the Dodgers, the Braves on a better position I would've said that if I didn't believe that pogrom ensures that the they look to be a little busted up Scherz are definitely pogrom now dealing with the blister it's it's tricky, but look, the Braves don't quit the Braves don't go anywhere we sought the Braves did last year in the middle of the summer time and now we see what they did overtaking the Mets at the end of the year and the Mets man in the missing Mark saying it's a fun situation. It's nice that were moving towards the end of the year we got postseason craziness is Friday Friday. It's already Friday. Major league baseball postseason. It starts on Friday how the hell did we get here and I'm just glad that we are the JR sport ratio here with you want CBSSports radio 855-2124 CBS.

That's 855-2124 CBS, one of our callers. He just mentioned Sean McVeigh I'll allow you to hear from Sean McVeigh on the other side of the break because you may not necessarily agree with his conservative playcalling Sean McVeigh has his own thoughts as to what went wrong tonight you hear from him. On the other side and speaking of the 49ers.

Their next game, the Carolina Panthers will talk about the Panthers.

I'll take your calls.

You hear from McVeigh but right now you are listening to the JR sport brief on CBSSports radio JR sport brief on CBSSports radio call. I want you to know that I appreciate your calling now with 855-2124 CBS shell sport ratio here with you will CBSSports radio 49ers beating the Rams tonight 24 to 9 Kevin Hall and was on the call may not it, we we got the message playing in the background and I'm just like, dammit. Kevin Hall and I could hear Kevin Hall and wrapping on the message.

I could broken glass everywhere people appeared on the stairs.

You just don't care. It shall not be cool sharp you but what I know the answer is no. Did you hear Kevin Hall and like like rap and could you can't do everything you think you suck if he didn't think he be great even if he he just read the lyrics of the message like I would pay if Kevin Hall and said hey listen I'm going to do a show at fill-in the blank theater and I'm going to read the lyrics to the message like I I'd sign up to hear it. Broken glass everywhere like these.

It's like you've never seen those those clips where no people just read interesting lyrics and it's it's from people you wouldn't expect, like I think they do that only Jimmy Kimmel is something damp, but people like it because it's so unassuming and unexpected right, but it doesn't mean that they're automatically aficionado at that particular genre that's on land, not expecting Kevin Hall into read the message and become Jay-Z you know you know you know who is in at least by the way my opinion I think Daimler I think Daimler could be right up there with the top represents all is that I could see how he is good and I agree with you years he's we've had many a bad and terrible musicians in the in the world of sports. How about Antonio Brown. What's up with that guy. He's what happened a couple months ago we took his Moche called his genitals.

He took his genitals out at all man were my saying here he was in a pulley was but as they can in the pool and in order to buy Abu Dhabi somewhere and he just yeah whatever Antonio Brown and I speaking posted a photo with with with Tom Brady's wife from months ago. What is wrong. He has problems for real man. I don't know what's going to happen with Antonio Brown but he got issues. I told you right before we went to break into one of our callers pointed out Sean McVeigh in his playcalling a little too conservative and I said well let me Matthew Stafford was smacked around his guy was sacked seven times. He fumbled the ball early in late in the game through a pick six is what Sean McVeigh had to say about them.

Basically playing like trash tonight. I'm not to make any excuses you know when we got to play better. The things that we didn't do to execute you and I don't take away any credit from the 49ers. Jordan but a lot of it was just things that guys were count on. Didn't do what they're supposed to do and so clearly that makes me think that I gotta do a better job and we gotta do a better job as an offense of staff providing clarity to our players for as many MAs is what occurred tonight and he got his ankle. I'll know the severity of it, but I thought your Mike Loney came in and battled the line battled. There was opportunities. You know that I think were capable of making and we didn't do it and in its coaches and players in this together will continue to stay connected and and will move forward in its four games, but that's kind where were at. Sean McVeigh is such a football freak and I say that in the most positive way possible. The game just finished. I feel like if you asked Sean McVeigh hey man, what was that was that cold. The third quarter, second series and this man would be able to recited CVB will go down the whole sheet without having to look at anything. He is just he's a piece of work that God in a positive way. 552124 CBS Fred, a scholar from Houston you're CBSSports radio for all I know, 49ers be doing a lot of great playbook like last year a lot all practical 49ers menu on his brakes, and that's what beatnik MMO Gruber know I wouldn't say so. The last time you saw these two teams are playing and thank you for calling from Houston the last time we saw these guys play was in the NFC championship game.

And yet when you play somebody enough times, especially division rivals. It gets to the point of I know what you are going to bring.

I know what you're going to do what the game plan is different. The talent on the field is different. As I explained to one of our prior callers the offense of line here for the Rams is not the same offense of line that they had last season. They have some adjustments.

We don't know to what extent can you Matthew Stafford is healthy enough to go out there and throw 48 passes Matthew Stafford door 48 passes is not a recipe for success. It's something that they had to do to try to stay alive and so yes R.

Shanahan and McVeigh are they familiar with each other. Yes, but when you play each other this many times. It's like a game of cat and mouse Shanahan right now.

Overall, after tonight's victory.

He's eight and for all time versus McVeigh and in the case of Jimmy garrotte below someone who's doing the playing on the field. He is seven and no versus the Rams in the regular-season I told you the last time that they met the Rams being they went right to the Super Bowl and then the one that people Samuel having an understanding of what it feels like to get knocked out to lose. Diebel says oh yeah, we got our revenge against the Rams tonight. It feels good. Listen to what people Samuel had to say. When we fell short last year and we got a stag window. One things was always on all we can always get back to move the ball run the ball encumbering on third down was final.

All cylinders today defense left the pigs out there as you see me different hard on my wages dropped in on his fist easy to get out to yeah look. Matthew Stafford threw one interception and shop and I had this conversation earlier does it could've been more than that Matthew Stafford was having one of those games that Lions fans go well. You don't think you will win anything with this guy because we remember what he was doing what us and we know he wanted Super Bowl Matthew Stafford is a gunslinger even last year for all the success that they had. There were times in instances where Matthew Stafford would throw you into the game and then Matthew Stafford would throw you out there was a stretch. If I work if I remember correctly, it had to have been about November. I remember I think it's one game against the Vikings Sunday Night Football Matthew Stafford look like absolute trash. You would think he was a secret agent for the Minnesota Vikings. The way he was just giving them the ball is like a my back is up against my own end zone, you just throw the ball to the other guy like you would think he was on payroll know I'm not alleging that he got paid off, but you get my drift.

And so this is what we have to get used to with Matthew Stafford if you're not used to it already. Where the hell you been what is Matthew Stafford give the guy Rich's call from Chicago unit Eurosport Risha for mowing the evening almost on your I wanted to talk about tomorrow.

Big and we talked about or do you overreact when you start that game on top of all by there's a huge changing of the guard at quarterback in the unit fell from established veterans merging young people that I think about the future of the young Stafford that you take a look at Rabelais can then like Michael Porter in New England and you got hurt in the search and I played really well know, and Crawford's burger was on his left leg. I'm doing the same about what's going on in the career believe Stafford Brady. If you take a look at more to call just posted you take a look at what's happening.

It is interesting that I think that the age factor catching up with a lot of what we would consider the top peer court of excellence. I talked about. Top 10 start saying think about all I'll include Buffalo and Russell Wilson tomatoes want the same at all. Not never held a viable alternative called Dell. I think given that the graph year I will believe this I think is 45 really good in this young, just as I got. I played because years ago in the 70s and became so different that the kids that came out at quarterback you wore and you know that old clipboard for one year not bond rich.

I hate to cut you off, but we have to roll to commercial understand your point. These guys get drafted now. Thank you for calling from Chicago. These guys get drafted now that the writings of the five Cornell Kenny Pickett is starting you know what I would take more.

Your calls will talk more Monday night football and will talk about these these young quarterbacks. The revolution here CBSSports rate limited to present cash back is in your future with this cash plus card from with no preset spending limit this cash plus card from Capital One to meet your business needs and 430. Despite cash plus card from Capital One can do for your business and N.com/spike cash price that's N.com/spike cash plus Capital One terms and conditions apply