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I live up in the Rockies of Montana and we had a look at for Monday morning with 8 inches of snow and we had another inch yesterday and then this can be like a piece of degrees today, so it's a will have spring here in Montana. We have sprinter and and it was the new kid 8 inches though I actually got out of the snowmobile on Monday and it was it was a little bit were all just like holding our breath, hoping that spring will come here in Montana when it does it is beautiful, but I was thinking about my first full winter that I spent here and a friend of mine told me he gave a great piece of advice this disc. He's got a good sense of humor.

He said drive at the speed you're comfortable slamming into the ditch yet drive at the speed you're comfortable slamming into the ditch itself, and in the end you're going to hit a ditch here in Montana you're going to do it in rural Montana when this winter. The gut can snow that we have here is going to happen and and I laughed at that, you know statement because I thought it was really clever, but also consider the implication for other areas.

US caregivers where often race around it breakneck speeds.

I mean, think about how frenetic our lives could be, and rough to do that in treacherous conditions, relationships, money and our health can be severe hazards. The faster we move the greater the risk. Slowing down is the key. Few if any good decisions are made when were amped up, how many will feel amped up on a regular basis in your caregiving journey and just like out here wildlife jumping in front of our trucks. Life has a way of hurling things in front of us as caregivers, slowing down allows us to better protect ourselves property and our loved ones, ditches and reqs can't always be avoided, but we can reduce the damage sides going slower provides us the opportunity to see the beauty all around us, and there is an insult thought about that for us caregivers just slowing down and and I understand that sometimes her emergencies. We gotta do things, but but out here.

I learned some lessons that that the environment does not change based on my needs at the moment it's going to be what is going to be some drive at the speed you're comfortable slamming into the ditch it and we don't always like that.

We want to go faster and in and in our prayers reflect that and it was lead by this quote from CS Lewis there two kinds of people see if this resonates with you. Those who say to God that I will be done that slowing down and accepting his will in this or those to whom's God says all right, have it your way that it says about like me on this God you all right, Peter, have it your way. So drive that the speed you're comfortable slamming the ditch at and just take take the day at time and not be in such a hurry that brings me to our him for the date of this will be a challenging one. I'm curious to see how many of you will get this, but I will talk about what this hymn says, and I will go over here to the caregiver keyboard. I am now at the caregiver keyboard.

I will play this hymn, see if you know this yet, but if you know it. Give me a call 888-589-8840 888-589-8840 areas allowed it to turn it down. Job sorry I got stuff on the caregiver keyboard know this is a senescent ability is if you know that him give us a call 888-589-8840 talk about what implications of that hymn mean to us as caregivers today in the context of the caregiver quote for the day drive at the speed you're comfortable slamming into the ditch. It is nothing like the snow eroded Montana to drive that home of what it could be like and how dangerous now treacherous it can be for us to run around and breakneck speeds and why we do this you know and and and what's going on and and a lot of this is driven in this this fear that we have that if we don't do this is often the final part. If we don't do this we're going to go into something some basilar habits. We have to push, push, push, push, push, but it's it's better to arrive there a little bit late then to be in the ditch, waiting for a tow truck with the wrecked car wreck life a right heart and you know and in you can sit there and pray that all you want, God get me out of this ditch, but but sometimes does not allow the ditches in our life to drive home a greater truth force that it's okay and it's imperative actually for us to slow down is to slow down sodium so how are you feeling this morning are you slowing down are you are you feeling like that you you're running at 100 miles an hour you willing to just so you know Lord that will be done. 888-589-8840 888-589-8840 will take your calls.

Talk about this and get into it.

I give you a hit on the verse from the song because it is a it's not as well known of the song is at him.

This is some of the ones apply here, but it's very powerful lyric it's it's I don't give winter fun with the lyrics it but help me Lord when toil and trouble meeting air to take is from the father's hand one by one the days the moments leading to leverage the promised land and give you a hit on the song because it's it's really wonderful him that drives home. This greater truth of how we are to live as believers in particular in the context of being a caregiver.

It seems like we can't do it. It seems antithetical to doing because we're worse, you were dealing with real-life emergencies on all the regular basis know we gotta get to the hospital. He cut you to that. We gotta get this that we dedicate we got we got we got a and I and I suggest to you after 35 years of this notice, along you go to get there when you get there it's going to happen and let it be you know, take time. I used to when I first moved out here before we get our stuff to the Internet with the studio here at the house I drive down to get up early on Saturday morning to drive down to the church rest serve as music minister adherence little town and I would get up and leave the house about 515. The sun was coming up in the summertime. Just like it is now about this time the morning and and I would see a deer. Well, when you see a deer on the road in Montana that is the the Montana State sun for slow down even more because there's always another dear in their gonna run out and jump out in front of, and in so just slow down and enjoy the beauty of nature and drive at the speed you're comfortable slamming into the ditch cases slow down under today's caregivers and talk about this hymn, if you know this hymn is 888-589-8848 885-8980 morning dispute Rosenberg misses hope caregiver. This is the show for you is a favorite character. This is your time. Dispute Rosenberg in my 3 1/2 decades as a caregiver.

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I got out here rule Montana during the winter, but also played song today that I wanted to see if you all know it and it's it's not as well known of the him but I think that a lot of people evidently love people called in the know the song. So let's go with the I gel a Mississippi joke and morning morning.

Are you feeling Joe and I have an opportunity to tell you something about caregiver not hope. Well telling me about your journey as a caregiver.

Long story short, I ended up get married and my wife Kimberly Kathleen Conway and August 1 at about 87 in 15 years entire marriage she started acting different. I mean we started fighting.

We started we started we had three children at the time to boys and a girl. John was like five Joseph was a nine in caring was 12 and we were we, by that were just, you know Thumbelina, you are going to horsefly okay and actually it's some point I did because the law year was like oh you need to get old-fashioned divorce on my best. I believe so. I stood with it, but she would do all kind of the main thing was, she said she had a headache and these headaches. She nursed him back to drinking beer and going to the doctor and the doctor would prescribe her Zoloft and things like that excruciating pain individually got the point where she started slowly, doing bizarre thing get an argument since you were dying on the door and quit laughing. I would have to go like get away from her not outlast either because the children so that we know for about three years or so and eventually ended up going to the doctor and I said you something's gotta give.

Here, because it started if you just really got worse and more trying to maintain my job and I can't find so all that culminated in.

She was diagnosed with Alzheimer's and get away and then that change that was indicted again change or so back the doctors had an opportunity to move from Little Rock inside an opportunity to move and I was talking to the doctors what you do because I had no idea what nobody knows what day in this situation. Not only that, but her Spanish mostly for the all-time work they have some sort of Spanish and with her it was cigarette smoking and course. She drew it was still kind of drinking beer but I had to get off of that and then finally let the doctors I didn't know how you might help.

So that's why we end up with fast forward in the care given thing. It's like what you say you go with the speed that you're willing to crash at the gate but the thing about Alzheimer's and she ended up with lung cancer is that people don't realize 65% to caregivers for all time or should I get kind enable talent, mixed dementia instrument. It's your plaintiff slowly gone 65% to caregivers before or pass away before the people that their careful and I ended up enough August September 23. Being with her grandma leader got so bad I'm never had one before but it was it was due pushing myself to our and I waited and not DH in emergency room almost going to say grant we had grandkids. By that, but the other thing about caregiving is that you automatically become codependent no, that's not necessarily bad thing what he is not even a good thing or bad thing. It is what it is you just become codependent and you have children involved really have strong belief that many of the children that have this situation. They suffer from the CEN childhood emotional neglect, so we drive down the road you see these people are panhandling are coming at you when you're homeless. I believe a lot of them have emotional scars from dealing with childhood like that. What I ended up doing what it cannot step in for just a second.

Joe, you give us a lot of information to step in for just a second. What's the status of your wife right now. Is she alive packed away on the firm were 28 2007 to 8-9 years writing a book and it's called living with thunder it on Amazon. I'm not to help people talk a God book and I loaded in such a way that you not run into somebody yes I you know because it answers a lot of questions about the first security in the lot of that information I'm sharing with you right now but I don't have it marketed with any professional marker, not like that is just it I did it myself and doing different commerce group and I like to just share my testimony because I tell you what I could talk to you about miracle after miracle when the ditch when I would have the Lord, you just love, faith, hope and love is that it is the whole thing about the boat will and I appreciate you sharing it with me. Joe really do.

It's, I'm glad to know that your not in the ditch anymore. You obviously can understand the frame of reference of you know how fast we can get into that ditch and so I appreciate you call and shared it. Did you happen to know the song it something really important for caregiving point him Wilhite hang on Joe, did you happen to know the song notes or I don't.

I'm not that sorry that's okay it's just I got a lot of folks would like to weigh in on it and there's reason I brought it up today and that you write music is a huge part of the journey for us is caregivers and four levels. It can sometimes soothe us in the midst of craziness and and it's it's comforting and strengthening in an Joe I do appreciate very much your calling and sharing your story and your faith in your journey.

In it, and it means a lot and I do appreciate you, that you thanks so much. Let me go to Debbie and George Debbie good morning how you feeling fine and thank you so much for taking my call when you're quite welcome. Tell me this.

I did you know the song found all yesterday yet.

Day by day.

It it's not when the sunlight is not what you want around and leave it again. Every time I get them beautiful, that is really great.

I love the text in here. Here's what I did this day by day with each passing moment strength I find to meet my trials here, trusting in my father's wise the stone. I have no calls and worry over fear. He whose heart is kind beyond all measure gives each day what he deems best. Lovingly it's part of playing pain and pleasure mingling toil with peace and rest, and you know that's a powerful lyric RS is caregivers visit yet. And, don't think moving here now is an abstract when you go when you going to want to know if moment will ask do this on the show because I want you note Debbie to win people art or drive around it gets a little nuts. They can hopefully remember this little tune into just you know, day by day and all that you do is helmet.

That's okay because it day by day, and as such it is such an easy to remember and to home and it drives home that great point of you know what day by day were just go with today were going to deal with today. Now tell me about your international tell about your journeys. My heart and I have not got the water and got daughter home with her presently. But going back to my seat. I shall be 40 this year, but when she was diagnosed with and we went that during three years and achieving draft F8 Mark and family went through and another three that might be the guy she feel better today, but you have to determine and we are thankful that God showed to be have parent and get but after thoroughfare as we try and sign L versus Philippians 1 think when they were little, going to school, being confident of this very thing he which hath begun working at will, and unto the client that is a great Scripture to hang onto is he who began a good working is to the day of Jesus and that is a good word. Debbie you have. You just did a ray of sunshine for somebody and you your good wake-up call this morning you so excited wake up and ready to face the day I called yes you can and I thank you for calling think know that some of this is Peter Rosenberg.

This is caregivers. This is the show for you as a family caregiver will be right in this Rosenberg in this. He knows the plans he has for you. That's how we can discipline ourselves to slow down and two to deal with each day as it comes in because we have that confidence in him.

If you will be part of the show. 888-589-8840 888-589-8843 what a copy that CD go, what to hope for the caregiver.com and be a part of what were doing. If you like what you know the show and if you find it restless with support, it will send you a copy of that CD. Gracie's song today are him was one are in the first half-hour show. We had a lady called from Debbie in Georgia.

She knew it and integrate him and I played these hymns regularly now on the show because I want to drive the point home for us is caregivers there. There are resources for us to cut them all on and hang onto half of it have the vast majority of the battle is is retraining our mind and to respond to these things instead of just reacting when life throws us the curveballs that it does particularly assist caregivers because it just comes relentlessly. We don't deal with anything as a caregiver that is not common to the human condition as far as on the heart level that we may have to deal with medical crises in all these kinds of things that people don't ever see seizures and and and changing complex dressings pharmaceuticals. Lots of surgeries like in our case, and so forth. But the heart condition is is is you need a bit, it is common to all of us. The fear, the obligation to guilt what I call the fog of caregivers. The isolation, the resentment, the despair, all of that is common to mankind, but is caregivers we deal with that in a relentless manner. Often it just doesn't seem to stop the nuclear level or George W. Bush say a nuclear level and at my wife's is nuclear to always laugh when she doesn't know somebody else used to say, nuclear, not nuclear nuclear was a DeForest Kelley, the guy played Dr. McCoy of Star Trek. He was born in Tacoma, Georgia. He said nuclear and they they they allowed to do it on the shot, but I has nothing do with atonement be the caregiver but the point is this if if if what were dealing with is common to all mankind. Let's go back to the authority of Scripture.

Let's go back to what God is saying how to deal with that because God slip give us the instruction equipment. The wherewithal to be able to deal with that fear and that despair and that rage and that resentment it's all there in Scripture and so we need to retrain our minds to deal with it when it comes up or does it leave and so part of today as we just slow down and then we deal with every day as it comes. We were learn to respond in this. What did this him so if you know this him and I will go to the caregiver keyboard I just hit a couple minutes of it. That's the him for today. If you know that him and I think we got a few folks to do Jason Texas good morning Jason how you feeling going morning actually here. Contact I want to get on your heart and mind will first want to say thank you for applying that him it actually contract.

I never knew that light, like you said it's not very common, but I only got to find know about that him three years ago and sign from there is one my favorite hands because I guess with my life as a caregiver from another and tell us the name of the him system folks is not just a joint that made my day. It day with each passing moment strength I find to meet my trials here, trusting in my father's last installment of no cause for worry over from our and tell me how that he admit something to you care for your mother well so I mean when I first start of the caregiver, rather than allowing them. I had my oldest is 30 feet off in the Air Force.

Now that she was there she did most of it by help her out and once she was even starting to join the Air Force. Of course, in time, the next in line. As the eldest, I decide to help her out and trying to take responsibility for the stuff I need she was doing for my mother and I just kinda everyday.

I kind of felt like why can't things happen faster and not by that net wide valleys going slow right and then I try to make it faster from II try to go on my case my name when I heard at hand.

It is iffy like that. Starting from the beginning of the day by day and not about our case or how we wanted to go because no matter how much we try to back the thing that is always going to be God pace.

However, he wanted to go and in his faith is always easy and not that heavy kind her very moving as well like that him that taking his heart is kind beyond all not managers and that as I think that Hannah might I look back on my man Dolly van Eyck.

That is not his heart is holy and kind beyond all measure and I am guilty of sometimes forgetting that it's at the sometimes. I had slowed down and lucky I might God you're in control, not me and sometimes it sometimes it just gets me. I wonder if you understand you probably did as a caregiver, like something that just if you wear it like I have stopped in God's hand and right hand. Take control. I have slowed down. My dad is a quote least often called him on it. He says that you guys got this problem.

He thinks he's God mean and and for me that's you, I think I've I feel like as a caregiver. I have pushed myself in human lives thinking that it's all up to me it's all up to me it's all up to me I've got to do this I got I got I got that goes back to that obligation. We deal with is caregivers that fear obligation, guilt, and you could always tell when you're in that obligation. That obligation trap when you're saying things like I need to have to it must am supposed to. Should I have to I got I got I got I got in that fond of caregivers fear obligation guilt was the first thing you do.

I know you get fog there in Texas was first thing you do when you drive and you see a fog bank would he do now slow down and know it just it is one of the things that that that that the principle applies so beautifully slow down, no matter how fast you want to be somewhere slow down and slowing down doesn't necessarily mean lemminglike when when I'm doing stuff around the house and in working so forth. I'm moving up and I move quickly, but it doesn't it doesn't mean that you just go with the speed of a sloth, it means that you slow your heart down. More importantly so that you think are clear and and and then you can you can make better decisions. I I don't think I've ever made a good decision when I'm amped up, and as caregivers we get that adrenaline rush crisis. Crisis crisis all the time and so that is why we were trying to to retrain our brain to deal with these things and to be able to to adjust the way we approach life in this and and that's the whole point of this and that's why these hymns are great because with when things get a little bit nuts. Then we can wait we can remember attunement easy to and remember data about the data that it is very easy to remember and you may number all the lyrics but you could say they by day with each passing moment. You know, and if that's all you can remember stay by day data you know, last week we did this is my father's world, you know, this is my father's world that these are very easy things to remember, but it drives home that great truth that is sustained millions upon millions of people. That's the point of all of this. 888-589-8840 888-589-8840 if you know this particular him and you want to weigh in on it and what it's meant to you is a great story from Jason Lawson for a moment there were that was a great story of how he came to know this.

Working for his mother was pretty good morning how you feel, a good morning Peter, well I don't know if I told you I shall get now the shower the other day. I've been kind of slow today Mexican Landrigan get back in Indy and will hang on just think it would get this it the music you would gotta go to break and hang onto the break. Hang on just a second to the bridge will be right back right Misty Rosenberg. This is hope for the caregiver. This is the show for you as a family caregiver will be right 24 seven emergency support increasing safety, reducing isolation, these things are more important than ever.

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I'm thinking I'm thinking that the humiliation at the worst pain, but when you're talking about slowing down, I remembered something in your first book gracing that early on in your marriage and there were multiple surgeries going on. You stepped away and went to the movies and there were others that were critical but you were taking care of you said you could continue to help. Take care, Gracie, and you just took that time just to step away and bury what you've been excellent.

Slowing down edit other types of failed disability.

But you know that I appreciate you remembering that in bringing that up because and I took some heat for that because other people thinking I need to be.

They were putting pressure me.

I was just a young man dumber than a box, a hammer and I was a kid and an and and and I went they said there's nothing else you can do.

She's going to be set up here for some time so I wouldn't sell a movie just got relaxed and just chilled out and you thought I did slap somebody at everybody was just all aghast and and so I mistakingly took that on that somehow I've got to look like I'm doing something and you know in that that is a trap for us as caregivers. I would imagine that's pretty much consistent with you and everybody else we we we bow to the pressure of other people say what we're supposed to be doing and let me don't step away from trying. We can't clearly see what you need to be doing nice weigh in and separating from the situation. You can get clarity when you step back into it next week and stepping back into it.

Your safe for the shower now.

Right. I have a new shower map and my daughter canine inter-came up yesterday and they both climbed in the shower to see if they could make the mat move. Even without the water running so and end sheet. She also put up a handgrip for me getting out of the shower.

I'll be having the shower chair Matthias Maysan is delivering a shower chair that they still have from his dad, so pretty soon yeah yet, this is it. Embrace the chair. It's okay, you know, it's the insisting I don't week if we could find only what you embraced. I'm trying to avoid them having to become my caregivers so I am simply tense and will Lucille sit an ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure. So the shower chair can prevent a lot of drama and it's amazing what a nonslip mat in the shower can do to prevent and you don't know the pain you're saved from you only know the pain that you have but but hopefully that'll that'll keep you a little safe but I was praising God.

Nothing broke. I get spring getting an ankle, but when you're talking about driving the car accident I've ever had it when other people hit me so which will indicate something else, but that's all not a chef walked slowly away from that and maybe embrace a chair to sit down on that particular topics that will listen. Thank you for calling make me laugh and thank you for for that in and that's a good safety tip and also thank you for remember that about you not have forgotten about that in the of never forget the look of those people say they were just all mad at me family and my family was family, a family that was watching you know like just a kid. What's the matter with you people, but I didn't have the wherewithal of the vocabulary to time, say so and I know I mean I didn't know what to know.

I know how to respond. I just that, well there over and I need to listen what they're saying to do with her sailor boy was I wrong. But while everybody else you know what the caregiver should be doing. I know you're not.

That's transient doing it. They're not in that that's most of my fellow caregivers. You can take advice on the same level of the their passion to help and you know I did direct proportion of how willing they are to help them do it but thank you so much for call know that I will transition to Paul in Texas.

Leslie Paul good morning Paul how are you feeling I'm going good buddy.

I'm sure Greg hear your program week after week after week.

I look forward to her own starting morning and all the I thank you for all the suggestions that wisdom your credibility experiences.

I appreciate that little illustration story that was to share because it reminded me I like trying to live by what I do it. The theme of my life is service above self and and the microphone, wife has transferred my lightest and out so which she likes to be independent with great and so I want I want to get Pete to care but the experience you had it. I have to learn the get away from once in a while and and and that's kind of difficult because we do work together but anyway I just thank you for all the music on the song I'd love to get like think with the CD that never heard important, but I just thank you thank you thank you for giving yourself and prepare yourself so diligently to help people like me and many others withal appreciate that I really do it it's hard for us as caregivers to get away and that's why do the show because this is our time on Saturday mornings just to have, even if just for one hour. We caregivers can get together and we can just talk about stuff I'm not here to to lecturer give my opinion on a lot of things that here's my experience, here's what I've learned the hard way and I hope that my fellow caregivers will will glean from that of ways of working their life so that they don't have to end up in some of the ditches that have ended up in a minute up a lot of ditches Paul that I have spent a lot of time in the ditch and you know what it even in those places. That's where you get to experience the grace of God in ways that maybe you would understand. Otherwise, so you know and learn to be thankful in all things, and those are very kind words in it and appreciate your listing. I want to go to Linda and Linda know where you are but good morning how you feeling I'm in Tennessee. Wonderful yet yet I caregiver off and on for quite a few years and I didn't have really has authority for you today. I just wanted to make a point collecting outfit. Beautiful, beautiful, and there's another one that is inherent in one. I love that night. My night.

Indeed, it didn't matter yet, no matter no matter what.

What were rushing around everything like it's going hundred miles an hour in every direction if we get 11 AM read the word of God and what he can out today. It makes a world of different I mean it. We want everything that happened yesterday and it and never plan the old movie really wanted the chocolate factory yeah offended that little girl. This is the thing that some Bruker sauces that I wanted now just that, that's me. I will now and where in the world of gratification now and I waited longer than what we wanted to get mad and frustrated.

I will now and I'll ask God to get lonely Lord show me where I need to meet point me in the direction I'm going every time there's no there's an old phrase. A friend of mine gave me and I live by truly live but because it it it was one of those life-changing phrases. If we don't take time for stillness were going to have to make time for illness and that is being still.

It is a matter of the heart and in you know Gracie on her CV.

She does a thing just a cappella. Just be still my soul the Lord is on this and you see that theme in Scripture lot work. The stillness that God is implying that I don't see anywhere in Scripture. He says get the runaround act like you're busy, you know it, saying it out.

Yeah the world says don't just sit there do something and in Scripture say don't just do something. Stay in their and still and he will and and and it's it's a hard thing to do it. I would love to tell you that not only discuss but I don't mind I'm just learning every day by day with each passing moment is the hymns that shrink the font to meet my trials here Linda you bless you and just been a blessing to colleges soda.

Thank you very much for list. Thank you Linda that is very kind and I love doing the show with you spend this time with you all is well, but I just I just want to know. Hope everybody just grab a cup of coffee this morning and just sit around and just have a conversation about strengthening our hearts as a fellow caregivers one to another, and healthy caregivers make better caregivers is the whole point of everything we do here and I appreciate you being a part of it good hope for the caregiver.com you will see next. This is John Butler and I produce hope for the caregiver with Peter Rosenberger. Some of you know the remarkable story of Peter's wife Gracie and recently Peter talk to Gracie about all the wonderful things that have emerged from her difficult journey. Take a listen Gracie. When you envision doing a prosthetic limb outreach.

Did you ever think that inmates would help you do that, not in a million years. When you go to the facility run by core civic and you see the faces of these inmates that are working on prosthetic limbs that you have helped collect from all of the country that you put out the plea for and their disassembly sell these legs like what you have your own prosody and arms and orange everything when you see all this. What do you make me cry because I see the smiles on their faces and I know I know what it is to be locked someplace where you can't get out without somebody else allowing you to get out course, being in the hospital so much and so long and so that these men are so glad that they get to be doing as as one man said something good family with my hands. Did you know before you became an amputee that parts of prosthetic limbs could be recycled now had no idea and I thought a peg leg. I thought of wooden legs. I never thought of titanium and carbon lags and flanks the sea legs and all that.

I never thought about that as you watch these inmates participate in something like this, knowing that there there helping other people. Now walk the providing the means for the supplies to get over there. What is it do to you. Just on the heart level. I wish I could explain to the world. What I see in here and I wish that I could be able to go and say the this guy right here Denise go to Africa with that. I never not feel that way out every time you know you always make me have to leave. I don't want to leave them. I feel like I'm at home with them and I feel like that we have a common bond that would've never expected that only God could put together. Now that you've had experience with it what you think of the faith-based programs.

The core civic offers. I think they're just absolutely awesome and I think every prison out there should have faith-based programs like this because the return rate at the man that are involved in this particular faith-based program and other ones like it, but I know about this one are.

It is just an amazingly low rate compared to those who don't happen and I think that says so much that has anything to do with me just has something to do with God using somebody broken to help other broken people. If people want to donate or use prosthetic limbs, whether from a loved one who passed away or you know somebody well groomed. You've donated some of your own for them to do and how to how they do that now. Please go to standing with hope.com/recycle staining with hope.com/recycle.

Thanks Grace