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What's REALLY behind conspiracy theories?; ALMANAC: Andrew Carnegie; A new wave in waterbeds; Thanks for the help of a loving neighbor; Gary Hart on "The Front Runner," politics today, and how "all the rules have changed"

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We do this is where we all enjoyed a happy Thanksgiving with friends and family, which by unhappy coincidence, was also the anniversary of the assassination of Pres. John F. Kennedy. Despite more than half a century of evidence to the contrary, there plenty still think his death was a conspiracy of suspicion some harbor about a number of other historic events including on web. It's a phenomenon Susan Spencer will explore in our Sunday morning cover story. Why, why do you question 55 years after Pres. John F. Kennedy was assassinated more than half of all Americans still believe there was a cover-up. How hard is it to persuade someone that their particular conspiracy theory just makes sense very difficult.

So what about you conspiracy theories ahead on Sunday mornings or so. They profiled was warning is a one-time presidential hopeful Gary Hart campaign collapsed three decades ago in the full glare of the media spotlight. Now the whole sorry episode is replaying the movies robotic part which talk about with our read bring former Sen. Gary Hart has spent the past 30 years living in Colorado and rebuilding his life. Now you feel at the moment. In 1987 presidential like to have all this focus on time management became do we want to make a movie about you, but we want to make it about the worst week of your life later on Sunday morning. Gary Hart on the personal and the political Luke Burbank rides up a wet and wild world of waterbeds department Texas to South Carolina and watches love my neighbor in action and for all coming up in our Sunday morning podcast content conspiracy. Many Americans still use that word when talking about the assassination of Pres. Kennedy 55 years ago this past Thursday and what were talking conspiracy blue when there are plenty of things not so why after all these years. Do all these conspiracy theories persist or cover story is reported by Susan Spencer spy novelist Gail Linz has made an entire career out of conspiracy conspiracies.

Do you think you've dreamed up in your lifetime couple hundred conspiracies. We have our office at home, near Portland, Maine is a breeding ground for conspiracies is overflowing as shelves filled to bursting with the evil secrets and nefarious plots military technology special ops war tactics, strategy wow you have any trouble coming up with these things, know actually something wrong with her espionage novels have sold millions of copies and they all start with one unbreakable rule. The conspiracy has to be believable. That's not hard. In fact, there are and have been genuine conspiracies. I shall resign effective. There is water vapor ran contrary there wonderful to write about and read and talk about. We look for conspiracies everywhere. According to a recent CBS News poll. More than half of Americans still believe there was an official cover-up connected to the assassination of Pres. John F. Kennedy. Roughly one in three say the government is hiding the truth about 9/11 and one in 10 things the moon landings were faked. So if you want to know how important conspiracy theories are the people just bring up a field next time you have Thanksgiving dinner with her family and do it. After a few bottles of wine after the arguing is over, you probably won't be invited back next year. 25% continue to think that 9/11 was a hoax. Joseph Kaczynski is a professor of political science at the University of Miami conspiracy theories are ultimately about power is ever conspiracy theory about you know the homeless guy with no arms and the legs conspiring against us. So how does a conspiracy theory, stars, a lot of times what happens people will just come up with some of these ideas on their own.

For example, one of my favorites is that the CIA created lesbianism using skiing gathered roughly 100,000 New York Times letters to the editor hundred and 20 years worth dealing with various conspiracy theories. What we find is that beliefs are really going up but what we can say is that they're playing a much bigger role in our political discourse, sometimes with potentially tragic results after he became the subject of conspiracy theories, billionaire George Soros was targeted by a pipe bomber and critics of the president worry that his views often include the conspiratorial I would know what I would let you what does your basic spears theorists look like if I asked people to close arise and imagine who that person is most of our ethical, white, male, middle-aged look a lot like me, tinfoil hat, perhaps living in the mother's basement with a ham radio conspiracy thinking cuts across race, gender, political party, this vast right-wing conspiracy that has been conspiring against my husband since the day he announced for president. Almost everybody believes some kind of conspiracy theory at some point.

Psychologist Rob Brotherton says human beings are skeptical of coincidence and think in terms of cause and effect. The main jobs that our brain has is to spot patterns in the world to spot things were a seems to be connected to be and when something happens like a terrorist attack mass shooting. We assume there must be explanation for it.

Like the JFK assassination alone done when assassinating the president changing the course of history. That's very small explanation for such a big event. We want a much more complicated explanation than there is like a vast conspiracy involving hundreds or thousands of people ongoing throughout time especially saw some experts believe I JFK conspiracy is not out of the question. There's kinda good reason to be suspicious of the Warren commission report that was kind of rush and it didn't cover everything it did leave some things are more than half of all Americans think there was a cover-up of the Kennedy assassination. I am inclined to think that there might have been the Mafia kill JFK. I'm not sure was the Mafia. Maybe it was the Cubans. Maybe it was the Soviet Union. Such theories persist, no matter how improbable. A lot of these depend on huge numbers of people keeping a secret so workplace romances fall apart fairly quickly.

And that's two people with low stakes for talking hundreds or even thousands of people with very high-stakes information.

It's been decades and decades and decades. But no one's come forward. The site I was the other shooter and if you don't buy the JFK theories.

What about this guy. Is he alive in this one thing was a big curly thing for Paul McCartney is been rumored to be dead played Beatles records back in the late 60s. What is your all-time favorite conspiracy theory.

So the interdimensional lizards in the dimensional lizard. I'm not familiar with this one. Yes, so all the rich families, the monarchy, all the presidents are all related to these trends dimensional shape shifting lizards looking at your eyes you might be one of the by now you two may be looking nervously over your shoulder to house the average person supposed to distinguish this the best thing to do is to listen to independent experts, you know that's not good that you know we could start some sort of rumor that you were actually a spy. I was never a spy would say that conspiracy thinking is a spectrum, some of it is ludicrous and so is quite reasonable governments to keep things from us, and perhaps for that very reason. Professor using ski things a little dose of conspiracy thinking actually may be good for democracy. Conspiracy theorists have for decades pushed for the release of more documents relating to the JFK assessment. That's a good conspiracy theorist push for the 9/11 commission that was a good thing. A world without conspiracy theories might be a very dangerous one, because at that point, no one is able to question power structures and now a page from our Sunday morning open November 25, 1835, 183 years ago today Andrew Carnegie was born Scott page 13, Carnegie moved to the US settling outside Pittsburgh was immediately put to work from diligence and hard work. Carnegie lifted himself up to become the biggest steel manufacturer in the way also made one of the richest men worth twice as much as Bill Gates in today's dollars after selling his business to financier J.P. Morgan in 1901 Carnegie devoted himself to charity as outlined in his book the Gospel of wealth would you read out loud this early scratchy recording Carnegie put his words now in more than 2500 public libraries worldwide. More than 1600 in the US alone, and although he died in 1919. The age of 83 name lives on Carnegie Mellon University's famous musical and charitable institutions such as the Carnegie endowment for international. As for the differing pronunciations of his last name.

Now let the people of his hometown in Scotland have the final word wet one is one way of describing a water reinvention marking its 50th birthday Burbank is floated out to find its creator Charlie Hall loves the water he lives right on it in a beautiful home on Bainbridge Island, Washington, and as an inventor over the years. He's come up with all kinds of ways to utilize water from camping showers, inflatable kayaks, but it was his very first water related invention that changed America forever is the first time that an interview like this.

Yes. How weird would it be if it wasn't what my supposed to be feeling right now as I am lying on this. This water will feel the small your back. First of all, this mattress cradles you.

Plus, you probably feel some very comfortable about warmth and help your muscles expand lacks. That's right, Charlie Hall invented the waterbed 50 years ago this year. How old were you when you are working on 22, or three. I guess you never invite anyone back to the studio to test this thing out yes yes actually we got married in San Francisco Way back in 1968, Paul was studying industrial design and his groovy idea for his senior thesis, something he called the pleasure. You could have friends over lounging like a sofa and read the paper and that was a lot of water.

It was 8 ft.² hall refine the idea eventually patenting the waterbed which he started selling up and down the West Coast. Did you know that it was an inherently sexy product yes I think so because it just watching people's reactions. They, got the sexy part of it actually undeniable because we delivered one to a news colony and calls us up a couple weeks later some good have another one.

People love to hear Hall tell it, it was the first substantial reimagining of a mattress in at least 100 years beds long ago were indentations on the floor. The cave with strawberry put leaves in there and if you're good hunter you put in a scanner pelt and then in the Middle Ages, they moved up into something off the floor would rock frame around and ropes underneath tying it together but that's the way the betting business wasn't to like 1800s Coral Springs and that was a big innovation Coral Springs were big until until were brisk. Despite this, it actually took a while to convince the wider public to sleep on a bag of water and it took even longer to convince the mattress industry mattress companies that we compete with the Seeley Simmons. Those folks pretty much disregarded us to start with Keith Kane egg started selling the beds in the 1970s with his brother at their store called waterbed city in South Florida and he says when people eventually fell for the beds they fell hard once I we were the largest seller beds in South Florida.

We just all waterbeds. In fact, by the 1980s more than one in five of all beds sold were waterbeds as in the biggest fan of the waterbed that might be Kathryn Johnson rule of Mesa, Arizona. What's the longest you've been away from your waterbed in the last 30 years. Two weeks.

That's when I go back east Pittsburgh and I landed with my granddaughters and we talked about the waterbed and how I wish we were on the waterbed. Would you say that it's one of the more notable things about your mom is just how much she loves that waterbed. Everybody knows that about everybody in the family also waterbed she slept on the waterbed with three other teenage girls and despite the Johnson family enthusiasm waterbed sales have tanked since their high point in the 80s. Now I and that's something Charlie Hall and his business partner Keith Kane egg, hoping to change with their noticeably less jiggly version of the waterbed called afloat. Oh, and it actually looks like a normal bed to Charlie Hall.

Let me try one out in one of his bedrooms fighting the urge this entire interview not to do is offer which I guess is kind of a rave review for this waterbed calls new and improved mattress had its grand debut this year at caning store which is now called city furniture in Florida and was still unclear if Americans are ready to fall back in love with the waterbed for those considering it. Waterbed enthusiast Kathryn Johnson has a message would you say they're missing out on someone who's never been on the waterbed besides a good night sleep.

Just fun. It's almost like being a little kid again. It's just such a good feeling. I think there'll be a lot happier.

Couples whole lot less aches and pains its religious experience Thanksgiving weekend is an update from Mike, what my neighbor you'd be hard-pressed to find anyone in America more thankful this week, the residence of the midtown motel in Myrtle Beach, South Carolina. Each and every guest says they owe a heaping helping of gratitude to this man motel owner dear Cox, as we first reported a couple months ago during the Florence flooding Jarrett stayed open for business.

There were more like open for charity will take care of Gerrit actually gave away more than a thousand green lights to this community's poorest and most vulnerable evacuees.

I don't know what we would've done. However, the way you want to say thank you. There's no words to describe what our family love the labor fortress post read that somewhere you read it somewhere to a mama told me a long time ago.

So far Gerrit has given away about $50,000 worth of goods and services even more important is the generosity he is inspired others. People started running to me right away cannot help what can I do brought diapers, ice and plenty of food. Anyone staying at the midtown now gets three square meals a day.

In fact, from the new shoes on their feet to the hairs on their head. We did not see a single need go unmet. Here, especially for the children who now play wonderfully oblivious to the suffering that surrounds them. Since we first told the story in September. Gerrit has been flooded to with mail. Most offer kudos Millie come with cash, which Gerrit uses to help the Midway families get back on their feet, whether it's a car repair or a down payment on a new apartment. Gerrit is now a full-service good Samaritan further guarantee that he has made his mom proud it's Sunday morning on CBS and here again is Lee Cowan back in 1988 presidential candidate Gary Hart seem to have the White House in sight. However, is a cautionary tale and the subject brand-new movie starring Jack really brave as our Sunday profile you have had quite an event fall like oh yes, I think that may be the understatement of the much much more eventful than I ever anticipated and when we met with former Sen. Gary Hart in Evergreen, Colorado, just a few miles from his home 5 miles back that way in a town called Kittredge.

We talked about some of the most tumultuous and you feel that 19 seven carrier Gary Hart with Leon this week and because the White House about three have all this focus on that.

Very strange. Imagine blue somebody came to, there's good news is we want to make a movie about you, but we want to make it about the worst week of your life. I do anything immoral. I absolutely did not. It was the week that we put winners from the Miami Herald acting on a tip stakeout hearts DC home and saw him meeting with a young woman named Donna Rice some questions about the wanting a townhouse while his wife was out of town part in the movie by Hugh Jackman spotted the reporters and confronted them. My responsibilities are generally Sunday that Harold would publish a story that also reported that Hart and Rice had previously been together many on both called monkey business. These pictures shot by vacationing businessman on the now famous monkey business both heart and Rice have always denied any sexual relationship with the frenzy of media coverage forced Gary Hart to withdraw from the race. I refused to submit my family and my friends and innocent people and myself further rumors and gossip also said if we go down the path we started this week we will get the kind of leaders we deserve happily.

Yes, you can have rules that were applied to me applied to American politics and get people of quality Gary Hart grew up in Ottawa Kansas graduated Yale law school and settled in Colorado with his wife, Lee would launch a public service by Pres. Kennedy managing George McGovern's losing 1972 presidential race.

Hart went back to Colorado when a U.S. Senate seat and built a distinguished career. I don't think caution is what this country needs my 1983. You better run for president. We need new leadership. That's the phrase I heard over and over again aggressively seek an attempt at dialogue with cash. I would challenge you to join us not in 1984, Hart lost the Democratic nomination. Former VP Walter Mondale and I hear your new ideas. I'm reminded of that ad.

Where's the beef heart because of so is anyone else to shift the economic base of America from manufacturing to information and technology symbolically from Detroit to Silicon Valley you actually worried that we were heading toward a war in the Persian Gulf, and nobody was assigned to diffuse the situation, especially vis-à-vis or reduce our dependence on oil, so it meant conservation and meant alternative renewables and programs such as that is a watershed Hart was considered brilliant. Also, my problems as I can smile and think that this was not a traditional like having to be charming because I found it difficult for Bill Clinton you essentially thought your private life was your private life been the case in America for 200 years.

Had that been the case who change the rules here were long-running Washington rumors that Hart went through two separations from his wife engaged in extramarital affairs. There was a famous question reporter asked you ever been unfaithful in your married.

He was so far out of line.

I couldn't believe it. And I refuse to answer the question, and you still do, and I still do. Of course nobody's business. You character which got to be the key word is demonstrated over a lifetime will put my life up against anybody's in terms of the sound character that's all I can say now here is over the events of May 1987 story in the take this month claims that the late Republican strategist Lee Atwater who had a reputation as a political dirty trickster made a deathbed confession admitting that he had set up a trap to lure Hart onto the monkey business set up Hart had long suspected. Nothing that happened that weekend made any sense to me thereafter, but I had no proof of anything.

Still, he acknowledges the need of being a should of gotten a letter blaming him back to Washington, you said it was a very painful time in your pretty obvious you and your wife now been together 16 years. Congratulations.

What love do you find lots of people recognize you still will you are Hart and his wife returned to Colorado for two adult children leave here to. She was not in hiding. Over the past 30 years Barry Hart has built an impressive resume legal work consulting, teaching, writing and diplomacy with expertise in terrorism. He even got a PhD in political thought from Oxford tried to be active public service, which is the reason I got into politics in the first place. The story of Gary Hart's call is considered a turning point, the moment when the press started examining the private lives as well as the political ideas of candidates have to seriously question the system for selecting our national leaders that reduces the press of this nation. The hunters and presidential candidates to being hunted still is not lost on Hart. Both Bill Clinton and Donald Trump were only after allegations of affairs. I think overrules Trump can have a fan base of 30 to 40% despite everything he's done in life.

All the bets are off. Anybody can be present regardless Gary Hart is about to turn 82 and he admits he still wonders if he could have changed the course of history. It's motivating for 30 years, lost opportunities for what turned out to be not very much satisfaction of the one newspaper with the sensational story then was worth.

Thank you for listening and please join us again next Sunday will take you with major Gary this week. Stephen Long live Mitch McConnell in one of Washington's biggest midterm money list for me to Senate races you think Republicans have the best chance of taking a democratic seed with Nevada not Georgia. George is right up there, but New Hampshire's surprise New Hampshire people really just kind of don't like that you have for more from this week's conversation, follow the take out with major Gary on Apple podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts