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It sits on the bottom of the ocean, but it's never left our imagination. The Titanic, its beauty, its tragedy and its mystery.

This was a really top-secret mission. It was very tops above top secret. I'm sure attribute to the unsinkable ship never made it past its maiden voyage ahead on Sunday morning. Ralph Lauren is a name to be reckoned with in the world of fashion matter takes the long view as I learned on a recent visit designer Ralph Lauren has a distinct sense of style. I love about what it's about for a thumbnail. This road had on Sunday morning, 50 years of fashion with Ralph Lauren this past Friday, so the anniversary of the Japanese attack on Pearl Harbor that attacks many consequences was the forced internment of Americans of Japanese ancestry and what the consequences of that is Lee Callan will tell us, is a remarkable friendship that has spanned the decades that I was a young Boy Scout in 1942 when he suddenly found himself labeled a threat because we look like those who attacked Pearl Harbor all of a sudden were picked up two states away was another Boy Scout Alan Simpson. They were Americans they were American boys, the lifelong friendship forged on opposite sides of barbed wire on Sunday. Rita braver takes the measure of the rising tide of anti-seven autism in America. Lori Stillwater catches up with rapper Carney B and more coming up when our Sunday morning podcast continues more than a century after its tragic end. Titanic is still sharing secrets with, among others. Our own ship read in the movie Titanic characters played by Leonardo Caprio and Kate Winslet spent some intimate moments in her looks familiar.

Yes. Well, this is the first class suite from the Titanic from the 1997 movie blockbuster movie blockbuster movie that movie set now resides at the National Geographic Museum in Washington DC. These are the actual props from the actual props from the movie and there are plenty of real artifacts here to Catherine Keene, National Geographic's vice president for public experiences. Since the focus of the exhibit is the meaning and mystery of the ill-fated ship, no mystery here. That's a deck chair at the deck chair, fascinating artifact, one of only seven that still exists. The crew of the Titanic just throwing these things overboard, hoping that the passengers in the water might have something to hold onto the exhibit tells the stories of Titanic's hero like Wallace Hartley and his eight person band played until the very body was recovered with this beautiful music pouch and it was full of some of the music that is this the actual music.

The music that he was carrying from the site of the 2200 people on the Titanic more than $1500, including 47-year-old John Jacob Astor wealthiest person on the watch, he wore with him everywhere. His 18-year-old wife wore this life survive. Why did he not survive well it's a sad story, but he was on the wrong side of the ship on the side of the ship that he was on. They were only allowing women and children and so he was denied us on a lifeboat.

Even though there was a seat because he was a man cracked. It was a horrifying two hours and 40 minutes before the Titanic disappeared beneath the way, then plunged more than 2 miles to the bottom of the Atlantic, where it rested unseen by human eyes 73 years, but the sinking of the Titanic is no less mind-boggling than the discovery of its record in 19 five oceanographer and Naval reserve commanding officer Robert Ballard stunned the world he found the Titanic but how he did it remain the highly classified US government Cold War secret for decades. We met Ballard at National Geographic to hear the Titanic's untold story. You did a number of very top-secret naval missions during the cold hours and I will officer can you talk about not at all, only this one only one baby because the story of finding the Titanic starts in 1982 when Ballard was developing his own remotely operated underwater vehicle unable to get science grants.

He asked deputy chief of Naval operations Ronald Feldman if the Navy would help fund his project.

He said all my life I wanted to go find the Titanic and I was taken aback by that. I said what, this is a serious top-secret operation find the Titanic. That's crazy. Feldman said yes, but only if Ballard used the funds and the time to find two missing US nuclear submarines thresher and the scorpion that sank in the Atlantic in the 1960s soul with a deal, you'll let me know what I want to and I'll do what you want.

Sounds like the real Hunt for red October. Very so.

The focus of this mission was to find the scorpion. They didn't want anyone else to find it, like the Russian this this was a really top-secret mission was very tops above top secret. I'm sure and so I said well let's tell the world the top-secret part of the mission took longer than Ballard expected. So when he found the scorpion and was finally free to look for the Titanic.

He only had 12 days left. But his experience finding the scorpion had been invaluable. I learned something from mapping the scorpion taught me how to find the Titanic look for its trail of debris. See you found it in eight days. Basically because people take 60 days and how much time did you have left for found you had four days left and you couldn't go beyond that. For now, someone else and render the ship that was in care. Ballard still vividly remembers that moment when he first set eyes on the Titanic. But he also remembers how the mood suddenly changed. We realize we were dancing we were embarrassed in the mood.

It was like someone took a wall switch and we became sober. Call respectful, made a promise to never take anything from that ship treated with great respect because it was like it was like you don't go to Gettysburg with a shovel. You don't take belt buckles. Catherine Keene says it's that sense of respect for the Titanic and its victims gives it its timeless quality, why do you think after all these years, people are still so fascinated with the Titanic parent lessons from the Titanic that we are somehow still compelled to want to hear her always pushing the boundaries of technology and exploration of the story. The Titanic reminds us of their great risks and tragedies that accrue to those ambitions and there also great stories of heroism and survival in the story they give us hope that maybe somehow will learn as a species from our mistakes and now page from our Sunday morning on December 9, 1952, 66 years ago today the day, a killer smog finally lifted over London I think called fog had settled over the city four days earlier trapping dirty smoke from the coal fires. Most residents relied on for warmth. The dangerous smog turn day into night grinding ground transportation almost to a halt and sending thousands to the hospital 4000 people died in three weeks and as many as 12,000 are estimated to have died from its lingering effects.

The London areas. By and large cleaner and safer now smoggy days occasionally still return a flashback perhaps for older Londoners, for whom the memories of the 1952 blackout anything but damn, it was quite a scene at designer Ralph Lauren lingering anniversary soirée.

Not long ago.

Celebrities and fashion industry bigwigs turned out in force and again it's a big anniversary for a very big name and fashion. I saw this as a sense of freedom at the wheel of a rusty pickup truck seen a lot of unpaid route surveys is 20,000 acre Colorado Springs missing for a full part in a rustic cabin nestled in an open field in the majestic mountain vistas. He found his views his inspiration is about showing people in America wherever I was that this is beautiful for 50 years that passion for timeless style elegance romance is informed distinct fashion sensibility just make some adjustments. Gentlemen honestly fix it right. He's outfitted the US Olympic team since 2008 and dressed Nancy Reagan, Hillary Clinton, Michelle Obama and Milani intron but growing up in the Bronx. Ralph Lauren did not foresee a future in fashion. My mother and father want Dr. or lawyer or something, safe teacher, very lucky. I think about that all the time you weren't preparing yourself for greatness. All I prepared myself for greatness in mind I will like to go to movies on Sunday afternoons come out thinking I'm doing with my brother or my friends and thinking Tarzan so there was a lot of dreaming you to know you. What Ralph Lauren had even as a kid was and I for style. What I love about this picture is much everything I love. It's in outfit it is confidence also looks like a Ralph Lauren picture from your future sweater with my brothers jacket with my brothers where my only live styling and you are you are styling with your brother's hand-me-downs and for someone who was going to be in your business saying that so far you saw a young that's true, but I know I never knew this was fashion as a salesman in Manhattan's garment district in his early 20s. He had a about a menswear staple. The tie it hadn't changed much in generations, neckties were very poor product express that can cause this time it was wider, bolder, pricier, and he called his brand hello for reason: lifestyle people to play polo with national and very elegant.

The success of polo ties begat menswear I was exposing what I love what I like.

By designing close for the man who didn't want to look professional. Didn't want to look like. Lauren came to represent a world rustic or refined, winning a lot of fans and critics love you closer love it so much. What were they saying good but evidently something is fashion business that is trending moving business is really hot here this fall. His golden anniversary runway show was the glamorous high point of New York's fashion week. He was recently named an honorary knight by Queen Elizabeth, throughout the first stadium in September with the company than $10 billion. Ralph Lauren is a bona fide logo. I Ralph Lauren was not the name he was born with.

Until the age of 19, he was known as Ralph Lifshitz world I was growing up words for name change was not about being Jewish Jewish something else, but for this designer. The name on the label is what matters most when a woman walks in the room and she's wearing Ralph Lauren is not your aspiration for the room to say wearing Ralph Lauren about what I think is sometimes a fashion victim where the label taste. If you enjoy something I like expressing war and if you presumed Ralph Lauren would be wearing Ralph Lauren for our interview.

Sure we have both been wrong will for sure this is living proof of what I believe. I love aging over the will of the reps. I love all know I have to like this one shows it for this conversation today want to look great at 79. He looks pretty great. Ralph Lauren fashion is not about how close is about how they make you feel cooler now why have enjoyed your still working really hard and will 50 years and counting. So let's hope it goes on he never lost her sense of humor. Humor is a universal shawl against the abrasive elements of life. He never hated anyone he knew what his mother and my mother always knew hatred corrode container is carried it's Sunday morning on CBS and here again is Jane Hawley and that's former Sen. Alan Simpson of Wyoming speaking at the memorial service for his friend, Pres. George H. W. Bush this past week. Simpson's long-standing friendships is literally a matter of heart is Lee Cowan can tell us the story goes, hard mountain Wyoming got its name from the Crow Indians thought it looked like the heart Buffalo rising more than 8000 feet. It's often shrouded class, but far below the dark clouds of history, stilling for it is he for the ghosts from one of America's most Shane check still room whole time was one of tension. Tell us not knowing was Shortly after the attack on Pearl Harbor Executive Order anyone of Japanese descent living along the West Coast be relocated as many as 120,000 people, most of them US citizens rounded up loaded onto trains and sent to places like this pending behind barbed wire. Their loyalty and their patriotism questioned grammar school in San Jose and we would all want to fight to be the one to carry the flag. We did the Pledge of Allegiance. So now here we are behind barbed wire auditors not citizens.

Like so many others. Norman, born and raised in San Jose, California to Japanese parent was uprooted from his home having no idea where his family was headed or for how long. On that day that we left.

I was wearing my Cub Scout uniform baseball baseball glove baseball bat and as I got on the train. MPs confiscated that took your back and I went running to my father crying about MPs hard mountain was one of 10 caps government hastily constructed others arrived on a windy day in September 1942, moving their few belongings into their tarpaper Barrick was only one life in the 20 x 25' room held my mother. My dad two sisters.

My brother and me all the people that were brought here. What percentage of them were citizens. Two thirds close to 70%.

At its peak, it held some 14,000 internees that technically made it Wyoming's third-largest city at the time even bigger than the nearby town of Cody, the signs would go up no drips allowed you some pictures tomorrow so you will dream of a young Alan Simpson lived just down the road we worried about that as a kill you because there barbed wire all around the damn thing and guard towers with guys with guns and searchlights, all aimed inside who would use a 12-year-old kid think there's some in there. I think it would be hard mountain Wyoming did operate like a small city school farms and churches in elections, but was also born to keep internees occupied the agency in charge of relocation authority allowed activities like ice-skating baseball and much to the surprise scout but he is was a lonely troop right scout all the towns, then for the jamboree and they drive back and say no, no, those are prisoners of war and there were not going in there, so they drive back.. These are Boy Scouts of America.

They wear the same uniform same menu button came in except that is for one Alan Simpson's Boy Scout troop is forward thinking scoutmaster Glenn Livingston a visit to the camp embodied with the scout stood for and soon Simpson found himself tying knots across from a Japanese-American boy who would become his lifelong friend. He always call me pesky pesky little rascal. He was a spirited lead which meant what is on Roosevelt will configure ways.

This will anything we could share the tents.

That's rather troublemaking started playing a prank on a fellow scout from Simpson's troop. There was kind of a bully in training to be Helen. We, Trammell water development of this caused him purpose. We build a beautiful moat and normal so that I cackled is that have cackled well tell you is a lot of he trying to get a full remember seeing a change coming over his new friend you realize these are American citizens now there barbed wire. They were Americans they were American boys, even as 12-year-old that was just totally unjust leader forgot their shared experience that day they carried with them through the decades that followed through marriages and family, but all of it apart from one another.

Did you guys keep in touch a little bit. We didn't ever see each other again until I read where he was mayor of San Jose wrote back saying only to be someday we'll see each other so you know because to me that people expect perfection in their laws when we don't have perfection in their lives grew up to become Wyoming's outspoken senator same smoke and mirrors have been pulled off by the crabs and the Republicans see held for 18 years as a lifelong Republican. Seems to me we want to be going the other direction became a Democrat went from nightmare seat to Congressman and all the way to cabinet secretary and I am proud to be chosen by you to be the first Asian Pacific American to serve any presidents cabinet hundred one, but two US presidents so that is where the two former Boy Scouts reunited under the capital some 35 years after they first met. There we were like the principal and back is still sitting today.

I hope that we will reaffirm the precious rights and the freedoms that are guaranteed by our great Constitution in 1988. Simpson joined forces to help pass the civil liberties act signed by Pres. Ronald Reagan, which, for the very first time, formally apologized to Japanese-Americans and granted reparations to those who'd been imprisoned. Surprise, that is not bitter about what happened. That's the real he's he's he's a Mandela tight person. He never bitterness never came over and didn't always agree on everything, but party like that barbed wire rarely came between even when it did say he wasn't disappointed or his personal debates that dominate politics today. The word politics is interesting because it comes from the Greek you know that Polly meaning Mannion takes many bloodsucking insects. We have flights in subcommittee full committee, it would slap each other on the back seat, let's go have dinner.

Let's go have a drink. They don't do that. They just don't have been kind of personal relationship and Simpson are happily retired now and every year the hard man to help remind generations that came after. There's how fragile freedom can be. Every year the crowd gets big which says something about the growing interest in keeping what happened here from ever happening again. But in the midst of the somber Memorial this unlikely due brings a much needed laughter to we don't talk scout and tying knots or so, your heart, and my respect and love him just wonderful, wonderful wish, he began to laugh.

No way. The love affair.

That's what you say. We just have fun together. Yes, there is a dark history here, the human spirit is bright or friendship it reaches back decades has managed to shine the light of hope generation the deadly synagogue shooting in Pittsburgh not long ago reminds us that anti-Semitism what's been called the longest hatred still fasters in America is Rita braver outside the tree of life on special significance this year just weeks ago, a gunman spewing anti-somatic comments killed 11 people and injured six others here are leaders of the three congregations that all worshiped in this synagogue.

Satan there touched by the makeshift memorial that has the building is still closed. Rabbi Jeffrey Myers is not sure when it will reopen. It's not just when to come back is how to precisely an online for the there may be people who can come back and that's that hurts not only the lives taken away. But faith is been taken away. Myers witnessed the attack and was able to get several congregants to safety is taking it one step at a time. Is anything that can mentally prepare human being to to go through what I've gone through many around the country. What happened was a bitter reminder. Anti-Semitism is on the upswing both the Anti-Defamation League and I which calculate statistics differently have documented an increase in incidents targeting Jews with anti-Semitism is been rightfully called the longest hatred I would rooted and find its roots in the New Testament, in the story the death of Jesus story which is been much debated and disputed has been interpreted to say that Jews were complicit in the crucifixion, but damn… That professor of Holocaust, Emory University, says whatever happened then should not be now. Why should we still be with that 2100 years later, no one would say that a young German growing up in Germany is responsible for what happened 70 years ago 80 years ago, so this persistence of this hatred. This persistence of this guilt and resentment is is it's just crazy. Along with yes there has been stereotyping Jews. The stereotypes are money, a fixation with money, power, they have smarts in a malicious kind of like conniving.

We spoke with her and Sherry as well. Synagogue in New York told his congregation in the country founded by Jews of Spanish and Portuguese descent took a chance and they came here but from colonial times on use face discrimination barred from some jobs, housing, schools and clubs. Jews have succeeded in this country every Jonathan Wiseman deputy editor of the New York Times. Washington Bureau. Like most American Jews, myself included, he never really worried about anti-Semitism describe yourself. At one point is lulled into complacency. Absolutely, I would've never thought that anti-Semitism would be a a a dominant issue in my life, or a really prevalent issue in American society, but that was before the day in 2016 between out a short excerpt from a piece by writer Robert Kagan that was critical of Donald Trump's campaign and I got this reply back from somebody calling himself at cyber trunk and at cyber trunk just said hello Wiseman, but Wiseman was in these parentheses into it it Wiseman's a Jewish sounding name. I wonder if this is anti-Semitic. His hunch was correct as Wiseman notes in his recent book) triggered an online mom and soon he was bombarded with thousands of nasty messages there.

So that's family that's family I say no. Many came from people claiming to be Donald Trump. Supporters.

There is still a lot of debate about whether the president has in any way deliberately encouraged anti-Semitism. We know he has Jewish grandchildren.

So do I believe that he is an overt anti-Semite.

It's hard to believe that what I do know is he has had an exceptionally hard time pushing away this anti-Semites in the racist and the white nationalists who have clamored around his movement, but others argue Trump shouldn't be blamed for any I think that is also not just partisanship but also laziness that it's easy to pack it on Donald Trump, Jewish-American journalist Bethany Mandell was also targeted. After criticizing candidate Trump became so fearful I always stay armed that she actually bought a gun. She showed us the bullets so that a man kissing, but she disputes the idea of a president is winking at anti-somatic followers. Like some people support him and he doesn't really care who they are but I don't think that he supports them and I don't think that he is sending them any kind of signal. In fact, the alleged Pittsburgh gunman was not Trump supporting her and the president did condemn the shootings. This and the somatic attack is an assault on all of us. This goes beyond Jews.

It starts with Jews and Jews. These are people who hate difference.

It's bigger than one group, everyone we interviewed the best way to combat anti-Semitism out against all three but for many Jews like Rabbi Jeffrey Myers life will never feel the same. What is Pfizer concerned will have 11 beautiful people who no longer live and that's going to be with me for the rest of my life and historian Deborah Lipp stat fears for the future.

I would live to see a day to protect said America and it's going to get worse.

It's going to get worse.

I'm Jane Pauley. Thank you for listening and please join us again next Sunday morning progress and crazy time was is the point is we need people in the best way to protect people final season Millstream