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The great electric scooter backlash; The Smithsonian's Lonnie Bunch: A passion for history; Jim Gaffigan and Jeannie Gaffigan on making sense of life; Glass cast in sand; On her toes; Olivia Newton-John on finding joy in a life with cancer; Hillary Rodham Clinton & Chelsea Clinton

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Give us a call stop in or design online@tuffshed.com dream design and build with Tuff shed morning Jane Pauley and this is Sunday morning. Our 41st year of Sunday morning for most city dwellers. The daily commute involves an onerous journey by car or boss or train. What if there were a completely different way of traveling a freewheeling way that was actually enjoyable.

Well, listen up. David Pogue has news about 70 American cities. There's a new way to get around electric scooters with your phone whenever you want to go somewhere. The great thing about the lady's work is to find them wherever they are leaving wherever you're going up on Sunday morning there cheap there faster funding take cars off the road and they don't pollute so why do so many people hate electric scooters profile this morning is of Olivia Newton John the singer and actress who is characteristically upbeat about her latest health challenge she's talking about that and more with Gayle King she was in Greece, and decades later still has a jacket in the skintight chance to prove it. In those six grade but for Olivia Newton John, this isn't a trip down memory lane.

It's about her battle with cancer.

Now it's come back for the third time. Yes. How do you stay in the moment and stay present and not let it consume you and worry you. Denial is really good, healthy, get my muscle Olivia Newton-John later on Sunday morning around of questions and answers with Hillary Rodham Clinton daughter Chelsea. Their new book drawing lessons from the lives of great women from Alan to Eleanor Roosevelt and talking about some more recent events in the car with Hillary Clinton and her daughter Chelsea. I like where I can walk by. Years later, we ask how she's doing.

Jane was like applying for a job and getting 66 million letters of recommendation and losing to a corrupt human tornado being your candidate has been one of the greatest honors of my life story. Mother and daughter ahead stuff is one way to describe the creations of the artist Lee Cowan will be watching at work getting your hands. What you want yes beautiful Mr. Burnham will I find it exhilarating from the start and absolutely each one is really glass sculptor on Sunday. Jeffrey shares history lessons from the new head of the Smithsonian.

Jim Gaffigan tells us the story behind his wife Jeannie's recent illness Steve Hartman meets a ballerina in her 70s was still on her toes and more all coming up when our Sunday morning podcast continues this scooter and hold the promise of a better way to get around tight. David Pogue takes us freewheeling in the spring of 2018 citizens of several Americans to find something thousands of electric scooters mysteriously deposited all over town unannounced there while you read well with one's beliefs like bird lime scoot jump and spin. They want to introduce chief fast clean way to get around cities like this. Santa Monica, California. I suppose I'm here and I want to go somewhere else in the city so I open the app and right here. I see these little dots representing all the scooters are charged and ready for me to just pick up third 50 of them within two blocks of rhyme standing so this is the closest one. I walk over there and here's my scooter. This case is a cluster sometimes one by itself very simple.

This throttles for go break us. There's emergency brake foot back here get going. I point my camera doesn't scan the barcode that beep means I am ready to go. I push off with 1 foot and then use my hand on the throttle and by now we are going crazy part is no dock, no rack kickstand down so the app you're done and then you leave it there.

Just leave the next person to find somebody on a scooter for the first time and there's not a person that doesn't come off. I love that Joe Krause is the president of wine.

Scooters have provided 65 million ride so far in 100 cities in 26 Countries Promising Lucian Congestion Dr. around aquariums on certain weight gets better. Somebody's got to recharge all those companies employ an army of freelancers like William Dare in Washington DC. I've been able to make anywhere between $100-$300 a night and then you're responsible for getting them back on the street the next morning. That is one reported about the load up at least maybe a dozen in my previous 12 these things almost 2 dozen of these. I called a clown car for screws and Tells them where to put the scooters back on the streets. The scooter companies insist on considerate attractive placement like you taken some pains to set them up neatly with the angles of the scooters. I sort don't want them to be in the way of sidewalks that were not blocking fire hydrants were the essence of having this kind of job as opposed to 9-to-5 job. There's so much independence that have gained from this lab never been skinnier. My wallet and fatter. It's been remarkable. Wow, what an amazing development, scooters good for us. Good first cities world. So why have so many cities banned them but all outdoor cities. John nourishes the mayor of Beverly Hills, California where Rod overnight dumped on people's lawns and all around the city. None of the scooter companies talk to anyone city and they just kind of appear for a lot of our residents. It was litter there other cities that are also set these companies just don't go collect deal with the thoughts of what yes the impact people can leave the scooters anywhere in sometimes that's in the middle of the sidewalk run people's lawns that carelessness your other citizens to the point that scooter vandalism has been an ongoing problem and then there's the other kind really terrible injuries, head injuries, broken bones, surgeries, injuries which I can affect them for a lifetime cavern. There is a Los Angeles personal injury lawyer that calls that I get from writers who were injured.

They are injured when the scooter malfunctions really do get the impression they malfunction much payments on the scooters die I.

The brakes lock on the handlebar paste collapses the handlebars detach. They were never intended to be like rental cars, commercial fleet usage use after use after use every day and that's what they have a lifespan of a of only 30 to 45 days to think helmets would help.

Yes, I think helmets are so so important in California. We did have a requirement and then came bird another scooter sharing company bird came in and sponsored a bill which was signed into law which removed the helmet requirement. As of January 1 of this year you think this problem is fixable. It has to start with not only the helmets but also inspecting the scooters on a daily basis. The great scooter backlash and reports of at least eight writer deaths seem to have hunted scooter companies. According to line cofounder Toby son the days of dumping scooters and cities are over. I think working was a serious work with Marcus for long-run right so building the trust and collaboration collaborative approach will get us a lot longer serving the cities and uses their problems or axes in parking and goals and cities you don't get it. What percent confident are you that you will get through all of this and scooter sharing will be a standard.

My confidence level is 120% on 40 confident that this is going to be a revolutionary that will happen only if cities agreed to accommodate this. For example, by designated leases to write them limes Joe Krause thinks it'll happen happen before. By 1979 years after the introduction of multi-the last horse-drawn trolley out New York in nine years. We took a city that was based around human horses and transformed into an urban landscape centered around cars. These periods of change can happen rapidly when there's big problems in our case congestion. Lucian and there's a great solution is the model T and I would argue today. In the case of incredibly efficient magic carpet ride around for about three bucks. Learning from history all his life is now in charge of a vast organization that teaches those lessons to the rest of us this morning. He takes our chip raid on a tour look at that point, it is a tiny play honeybunch is captivated by American history and he'd like us to join him in learning from the past better and for worse.

It's my job to tell the unvarnished truth to all the dark corners of the American past in a museum that's going to talk about difficult issues. Try to find the right tension between those stories and make you cry should better cry but there also the stories and give you that resiliency could make you smile smiles resiliency and tears are at the core of the story of Lonnie Bunche by way of introduction.

In June, Bunche was named Sec. of the Smithsonian institution. He's in charge of 19 museums, 21 libraries the national zoo 7000 employees and a budget of $1.5 billion and a mission that he believes is nothing short of monument was clear to me is that the Smithsonian is part of the glue that holds the country together. Culture is so important. Culture is something that sometimes is seen as dividing people, but my mind culture holds together common cultures, we have the opportunity to find common ground.

There are an estimated 155 million objects in the Smithsonian's collection. We asked Bunche to choose for that have special meaning for him displaying the stonefly dozen slaver looks like you could. Some have intensely personal connection including the spirit of St. Louis which inspired him as a child my father was assigned as a kid we would come down to the Smithsonian is a kind of safe place that African-Americans could go any take me into the arts industry building any talk about in 1927, Charles Lindbergh made the first solo nonstop flight across the Atlantic Ocean. He was just 25 years old with so amazing about it is what it took for him to not panic to keep himself under control as he flew for those 33 1/2 hours and then the wonder of it actually making it.

Lonnie Bunche grew up in Belleville, New Jersey, where his family was the only African-American one in their neighborhood. He loved baseball, but after one game in a neighboring town. He says the white kids suddenly chased him with baseball bats. I remember that I was exhausted and that I just couldn't run anymore and basically just collapse in front of his house and then a little girl comes out and she basically said get off my lap. I thought she was talking to me.

The girl who came to his rescue was white instead she stood between me and mama and basically protected me and it taught me so much because it made me realize never generalize. Never assume based on the color once again personal experience helped Bunche develop a passion for history, which he calls his teacher and protector for me.

History was both a way to understand the American past without me is why some people treated me wonderfully and some people did not.

Lonnie Bunche is the first African-American leader of the Smithsonian and its 173 year history.

I'm not unaware of the symbolic power of this for many people over the years, Bunche returned again and again to work at the Smithsonian air and space in the late 1970s American history in the late 80s and recently has spent 14 years overseeing the creation of the new national Museum of African-American history and culture, which opened three years ago and is the subject of his new book essentially started with nothing.

We started with a staff of two. We had no idea where the museum would be.

We had no collections. We had no money. This museum collected 40,000 artifacts, of which 70% came out of basement trunks about people's homes.

One of his most treasured objects to inbox. I called a tin wallet attend wallet like that handmade by a freed slave Joseph Trammell in the wallet. Trammell carried papers proof of his freedom. Without that paper, you can be enslaved again. So the key is to protect it and keep it in putting this museum together.

Did you get some pushback from some people who said let's not emphasize slavery. Let's emphasize the positive things in the heights that we've reached. Oh, there was an amazing amount of old… A guidance that people want to give guidance when we did surveys the number one question people wanted to understand the slavery question.

I didn't want to know about slavery, so I knew that slavery and freedom had to be at the heart of this museum because it's the heart at the heart of what America was what America still is used to visit this is a college student. There was something so powerful and poignant back to the four objects Bunche selected this one took us by surprise. A statue with the Smithsonian American Art Museum, which is visited for decades. When I was an undergraduate at Howard.

This was my escape. Wander through this museum is very music and be made better historian and philosopher Henry Adams commissioned the great sculptor Augustus St. Gardens to create a memorial to his wife Marion Clover Adams, a photographer who took her own life at the age of 42.

Look at the face and you could feel his pain. The fourth item Bunche selected for us is the lunch counter from a Woolworths in Greensboro, North Carolina, which he helped bring here it is. The lunch counter really sparked a revolution on February 1, 1964 African-American students sat at the whites only counter and asked to be served. They weren't and that excited people around the country to say this is wrong. How could it be fair that somebody could not simply sit at a lunch counter any across the country more than 3000 people were arrested until the lunch counters were finally desegregated six months later, again there's a personal connection so it's got to be 1957, 1958. I'm taken to North Carolina to visit relatives not not Greensboro but Raleigh was allowed to sit at the Woolworths counter in New Jersey, so why not in Raleigh and I'm sitting at this lunch counter and suddenly these white hands pick me up and take me over to the standing port were only colored people could snap and I remember being dumbfounded and they served me a hamburger and the taste was never the same.

I never went back to Woolworths after Lonnie Bunche thanks his parents and his grandparents for repairing him to face the world and ultimately the job he has just begun. One thing they told him was that African-Americans had to be twice as good to get half as far do you feel that you have to be twice as good. I feel that the burden of race.

The burden of expectation is often heavy on African-Americans. I do have the luxury to screw up in my office is a picture of a enslaved woman carrying a big hole in a basket and her knuckles were swollen and her dress is tattered and yet she's looking up and moving forward to me being African-American means you look up you move forward no matter every bird friends from our Jim Gaffigan story about his wife Janie serious personal and loving over the past couple years I've had the opportunity to do humorous commentary here on CBS Sunday morning. They've all been universally adored by not universally adored these commentaries I think you've learned something about me. I like food. I have too many children and I married a woman way out of my league today. I like to talk about that woman that special woman who has horrible taste in men.

My wife Jeannie is a force of nature. She is not only my life partner and the mother of my five young children. She's also my cowriter of seven comedy specials salad all New York Times bestsellers and was even the executive producer of the Jim Gaffigan show. To summarize, Jeannie does everything she is the Executive Producer of and until April 2017. Her life was pretty much perfect. Five kids said you married to a really good looking guy and then what happened while I was a pediatric visit for my kids and when my doctor was speaking to me. I turned my head and I asked to repeat what she was saying and she was like with wrong career and I got to when that happening.

So she sent me to euros and throat doctor and that's when a the MRI revealed that I had, you know like 30 seconds to live. The doctor told us one of those things people pray, they never have to hear, Jeannie had a brain tumor. What was your first reaction we were like game over.

Now I mean I don't I don't think it was. I came over something just happened where I just was like okay let's figure how to get this on my so the more you think about it and the more you talk about the higher are the stakes and in what felt like moments, Jeannie and I found ourselves here in the office of Dr. Joshua Patterson, head of neurosurgery at Mount Sinai Hospital in New York City. This instantly became clear this was a very high-stakes situation for you because this is what I first saw, which is a huge huge tumor. There's just no other descriptor which really was stunning to me because you were functioning at an extraordinary level. What causes brain tumors. It wouldn't be like an annoying husband that would cause the major right what I'm saying it's not my fault it's not my heart to totally conclude. Okay, so Dr. Batterson doesn't know the origin of the pear-shaped tumor but thankfully he did know how to get it out. The surgery took 10 hours.

It was a success.

The tumor was benign. Still, Jeannie was in out of the dark yet. First, Jeannie suffered from a life-threatening pneumonia and because of the tumor's location some cranial nerves had been compromised letting her ability to breathe on her own or swallow. She couldn't eat or drink anything for an indefinite period would wake up and see that machine with a yellow gunk going into my nose. I was like I can't believe I'm here. It was just like it was really difficult for me but if I could just when I would tap into my faith. I would see the big picture knew that there was a reason for this to me but when I wasn't intentionally think it was like too much for me to bear. After weeks in the intensive care unit. Jeannie finally came home, still unable to eat or drink the kids and I attempted to make the harsh reality of Jeannie's feeding tube was there a moment when you're going through this process we look them in your life. I live just because this guys is he can write some good jokes but I don't know if he can.

There was a little bit because I taken on the role of be like to work out a schedule out. I felt like when they're willing. It is like my password on my computer fresh direct this is my gosh he doesn't know any of this stuff I still don't know most of that stuff. Thankfully I don't have to. How would you sum up your experience in two sentences. One word is one word. How would you summarize what you went through. Mom interrupted. Mom and I would summarize it by saying that sometimes you need like a big reminder to realize how grateful you are to be alive and for your life and it just for me it happened to be massive parasites brain tumor on my cranial nerves itself. So what does a mother of five young children survived the pear-shaped tumor do wintry finally gets back on her feet.

Finally, can actually eat well, my Jeannie wrote a book about that experience when life gives you pairs.

She also started a youth group organization that combines youth groups throughout the city.

Rightly, things like this, showing off now Kaysville get a text from Jeannie that I'll simply say I love you. Nice to receive it. But I'm also reminded of how grateful I am that she's still here.

My children still have a mother that our family still has an executive producer's watch that show you how I feel horrible, single father this Sunday morning sun looks cool, right now, but not long ago, it was hot stuff Lee Cowan has a portrait artist spiritual connection for centuries really like bits class I think of this pretty and needs have a rawness and a mastodon like delicate little things like what I don't. I know most people have biggest idea. At 5 foot three, towering Pres. when an idea strikes or Marlena Rose is on five yes beautiful medium to remote fascination its unpredictability auto fee and realize how much of that adrenaline okay I am.

I really do because I get a buzz because really danger.

She says the glass is so seductive and so beautiful and ethereal. It such beautifully spiritual, material have to get the shape right to get that shape uses an ancient but rare technique called Sandcastle, so named because of that Sandy will gives the liquid glass, a brief but comfortable so it has to be hard enough to hold shape pressing is one of only a handful of artists actually trying to do this started every glass fibers the proverbial bull in the china shop. You can find. I want to come in and use equipment and for multiple make your studio me. It was hard having the door shut your face now and now you know. Maybe it's just too hard, just too hard, but she never gave up trying and finally the studio near her home in Clearwater Florida.

We went so for the last 20 she's been turning out her signature pieces for one butterflies another African pieces to our favorite season more than a dozen get out and work was recently featured exhibit at the Fort Wayne Museum of Art which made the mold that she poured for us special our Sunday morning sun. She first crafted Styrofoam gluing together with the help of her two kids and her husband, once built, the piece is pressed facedown into that wet say then pounded impact when it's gently lifted back out left in the sand member take this in backing away layer of powder glass that what comes next starts the clock ticking on a process where there is no prayer. I just love how all that danger man knows how to turn out that dance purchases the glasses at the right temperature to be almost as soon as why start blasting will go south coast cracks by bit the same writing it to be transferred to the cooling bringing down the temperature slowly so critical even likes Thomases gloves on further to traumatize the glass result is always a supra-for example, was supposed to be read yet gold mysteriously bubbled to the surface as it cooled. What you think. When I jumped up and down.

He just never know when it came to our son. We want people to take away from your work want them to experience. I want them to feel something to look at it and feel it and if they feel something that I've done my job and with the sun. Finally, streaming through our own earthly store feel we did grow too old for ballet State Department introduces us to a ballerina who is forever on her toes. I must admit my five-year-old daughter Merrill took up ballet. I assumed it would be a passing phase gives burnout and even professional ballerinas are often done by third but I've since learned there is one remarkable exception, which is why I came here to Dallas, Texas. Actually why we came to Dallas, Texas cell, every ballerinas exam more than seven decades and dance and still honored. Most ballerinas can't begin to imagine this when I was about 26 why born in London, Susan L started dancing at the age of seven and eventually performed around the world today. She still does guest appearances with local dance companies with no plans for a final farewell. Even when she broke her arm a few years ago since I was back at the bar within a week if ever move interesting question Swan that's a solo ballet dancer on point for almost 3 minutes. Obviously, Susan L still loves the only thing she likes more sharing. She now teaches at the Royal ballet dance Academy inspiring local kids and the occasional traveling Junior journalist would've never forgiven her dad if he didn't bring her along to meet the one person in the world understands her passion helps to so from the tips of their toes blowing their hearts new season on Sunday morning and here again Jane Hawley is one of the many living, John has to her credit, but along with success in illness when she meets with no small measure of courage. Our Sunday profile is from Dale Kang of CBS this morning getting description for Olivia Newton John, especially during our California ranch where he can enjoy horses without patient I need to write the miniature courses ease her mind. Just as the marijuana buds growing in cups nearby stat ease something else. How bad was the pain really bad crying tears of pain anticipates the pain can be unbearable, but the spirit remains unshakable is the English Australian superstar who just turned 71 battles breast cancer for 1/3 time. I think when you're dealing with something when you have a diagnosis like this. How do you stay in the moment and stay present and not let it consume you and worry you.

Denial is really good healthy that was consuming my day and after time, my time is that I need to enjoy my life so I ate a cookie if I want a little bit of wine because the joy of life in everyday living has to be a part of that as well. In my not surprising for someone so much of it to the world so long John in the spotlight time Grammy award winner. She sold 100 million albums with songs like never, ever think the 1980s from Madonna, not by you to come is like an animal to get out of risotto blessings likes now it's on the radios, like a lot of Sandy John Travolta's Danny 1978 Blockbuster Reese turned out to be a game changer for for a lot of people that's they still seem sad people still say is that annoying is that I'm so 28 at the time. Later at 40. John, seemingly charmed life forever changed.

She felt a lump in her breast self-examination. That was not the only devastating news that day. You were first diagnosed in 1992, which was not a good day for you because you get that diagnosis on the same day as the death of your father daughter had a child to care about and that was my focusing I can get through this following chemotherapy. She was declared cancer free until she learned it spread to her back in 2013, never angry. I was using. Help me understand how you're not angry.

I would think so many people be angry and frustrated and sad and said no. Why me know why me that I never felt victimized. I never felt why not. Maybe deep down I knew that was a reason or purpose, for it needs to create one to make it okay for myself because it again.

It's a decision how my going to do it. Choose each the cancer went into remission but two years ago. It returned again. She was told it stage IV went to the doctor say to you about your prognosis now is discuss prognosis because that's if I give you, in my opinion if they gave you a percentage all this many women get this and then if this long, you can create and make it happen. It's a mess like I think I know what statistics and that I put them away that I I'm going to live long. I made that decision is just something that you think about trying not to that wondering yeah I have to think about it. It's part of life and of course if you have a cancer diagnosis.

Your death is kind of bad, whereas nice people. We don't have a clue and I take it fallen me so it's just that we have to acknowledge that we could die that I'm not trying to think about too much, but I try to meditate and be peaceful about it.

Now that everyone I love is that yeah so foot. John is touched by all the fans thinking of her and moved to tears watching the message that Hugh Jackman posted on social media during a concert in Australia. You want but it's better than people thinking is she still here reinforcing positive is lovely, just a thoughtful John spends most of her time at home with her husband John Easterling. She called Amazon John advocate for the healing powers of plants, especially cannabis like the ones he grows specially for her. He is the crown prince. He's just a good seriously good human being kind human being an incredibly smart human being and he's gorgeous to. She's also close to her daughter Chloe from her first marriage.

He says to me decision on different people have different kinds of cancer in my cancer was my my addictions and my problem semantics and things that had so she feels like she's kind of going through it with me and healing herself at the same time, facing her issues because I'm facing mine sites been a really wonderful. For this activist found in the Olivia wellness in Melbourne will set up like this is November.

Her most things will be auctioned off some of the proceeds going towards your center items include close in the movie Xanadu from Greece.

Forgettable blackout movies closing you got in well this will and they said they would stitch what would happen to pick it back in early yeah I would try not to drive as skintight now making amazing thing. No Olivia John, you're the only one style that smile so much decision choose to feel about something. So I've chosen. I'm happy, I'm lucky.

I'm grateful I have much to keep Rodham Clinton and her daughter Chelsea teamed up to write a book all about women made a difference. Reason enough to catch up with them at a New York City landmark for some questions and answers. Looking in the 20th century, John. She was one of the greatest American history Rodham Clinton daughter Chelsea at the Eleanor Roosevelt Memorial in Manhattan. She is a transcendent figure of her generations because of all that she did in her life fine depiction of her to be thoughtfully listening, taking it all in the New York historical Society from the hands of tennis legend Billie Jean King King that I love it.

Here's a century old banner from the women's suffrage.

I have one of these at my home and fireplace a look at it every day is breathe life into a collection of stories called the book of gutsy women co-authored by mother and daughter and published by CBS's Simon & Schuster women have been written out of history from the very beginning of recorded time and to great extent still are.

And this is a small contribution to the efforts to tell the stories. The collaboration between 71 and 39-year-old was at times and intergenerational challenge because I write longhand so I actually brought a sample of this horrible writing and then I use an app and I send it to her and she left. This is what I would get.

She laughed at me endlessly so illegible I can still read it. Some of their earliest inspirations were familiar characters from books and TV, read seemed like the perfect mother to me and my friends and Nancy Drew was a influence how I love you and I really looked up to her the same I thought about Megan Murray and a wrinkle in time. All of these fictional heroines who just meant so much to me. I'm on 103. Real life it's our unsung heroes and greats like Amelia Ehrhardt and Harriet Tubman and another first lady. The reason I chose Betty for is I remember is over. Yesterday my mother's best friend had breast cancer, a phrase, it was never uttered.

Nobody talked about breast cancer and then a few years later along comes Betty for tickets, breast cancer, as a first lady and I remember she's in the hospital room. They had her hair done with good for her and because of her breast cancer came out of the deep dark shadows. No one looms larger for Hillary Clinton than Eleanor Roosevelt. When I ended up being first lady. She was one of the people that most inspired me because of how she tried to keep thinking about those who are left out left behind marginalized you write about discovering that her husband had an affair with his secretary.

This was devastating and she offers Franklin divorce which he rejects and you hate, she decided to stay in the marriage. Parenthetically, which can be as I know well gutsy decision right you had to discuss with your daughter putting that say well part of the reason that I admire Eleanor Roosevelt is the way she handled that happening to her and I say look when something happens in your marriage as I know well it can be gutsy to leave. It can be gutsy to stay. I felt like I had learned so much from her that I wanted to share that with the reader and you said it's my mom sorry to tell. I've always thought that way. Being your candidate has been one of the greatest honors of my life three years after the election of 2016. She still grappling, how are you doing now and what are the metrics by which you know how you're doing on any given day. Personally I'm doing well and having my grandchildren and especially a new two month old grandson has been a gift beyond measure. I feel very blessed to feel good but I can't deny that a big part of me cares deeply about what's happening in the country and what I fear is the damage that's being done to our future. The damage being done to our values, our institutions and try to think of ways that I can help those who are on the front lines of the fight doesn't come up much any campaign for Donald Trump's locker is still a big popular line. I believe he knows he's an illegitimate president. He knows he knows that there were a bunch of different reasons why the election turned out the way it did, and I take responsibility for those parts of it that I should, but it was like applying for a job and getting 66 million letters of recommendation and losing to a corrupt human tornado and so I know that he knows this wasn't on the level I don't know that will ever know everything that happened.

But clearly we know a lot and are learning more every day. History will probably sort it all out so Chris is obsessed with me and I believe that it's a guilty conscience, and so much as he has a conscience, of course, given the events of the past week.

Now the question is how will it end.

The president must be held accountable. No one is above the law. This is familiar territory for all also impeach Nixon in 1974, Hillary, Ron was a young lawyer on the House Judiciary Committee staff looking into the impeachment of Richard Nixon and of course in 1998 as Hillary Rodham Clinton lived through an impeachment as First Lady and ministration.

What is your view today on Donald Trump's prospects for impeachment. Given this latest revelation, which is such a blatant effort to use his presidential position to advance his personal and political interests.

There should be an impeachment inquiry opened carefully or for in the Democratic primary. Or whether you're Republican when the present United States was taken an oath to protect and defend the Constitution and by that defend the American people and their interests uses his position to, in effect, extort a foreign government for his own political purposes.

I think that is very much what the founders worried about in high crimes and misdemeanors another four years of the Trump administration I got I don't except that I don't believe that will happen.

I believe that there were many funny things that happened in my election that will not happen again.

And I'm hoping that both the public and the press understand the way that Trump plays this game really hard to become the person you might say the same about Hillary Rodham Clinton, and like Eleanor Roosevelt also loved and loathed, but by any measure, a gutsy woman who wrote a book with your mother, so Hillary Clinton's name is on the front of the book by as a portrait of gutsy women, she's not in the block, except maybe between every line think that's very accurate. I just got the chills when he said that Jane because I couldn't imagine anyone in my life that my mom and am so grateful not only that she's my will model but that she is my mom because my kids are going up in a world that I believe is immeasurably better for us. I'm Jane Pauley. Thank you for listening and please join us again next Sunday morning. This is intelligence matters with former acting Dir. of the CIA.

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